eraser8: Mugato: Jesus Christ, atheists can be assholes.Any person can be an asshole.Christians can be assholes.Muslims can be assholes.Hindus can be assholes.Drinkers can be assholes.Teetotalers can be assholes.Men can be assholes.Women can be assholes.Hell, you don't even need to be human to be an asshole. I know some ducks who are complete (metaphorical) jackasses.
Smeggy Smurf: Silly athiests, it's almost as though they think they're persecuted. What, do they want to be jewish or something?
violentsalvation: I bet the heat and kinetic energy of the collapse left some mangled steel beams strewn about like a spaghetti monster.
Mugato: Jesus Christ, atheists can be assholes.
Sensei Can You See: Amos Quito: FTA: "September 11 "affected all Americans, not just Christians," Silverman continued. "We will not sit and let the 500 atheists who died on 9/11 go unnoticed."How does Silverman know how many atheists died on 9/11?Were they registered atheists?Not the problem. See, the problem is that if they put a cross in the 9/11 museum, any atheists who died on 9/11 will be retroactively erased from the time-space continuum.
Amos Quito: FTA: "September 11 "affected all Americans, not just Christians," Silverman continued. "We will not sit and let the 500 atheists who died on 9/11 go unnoticed."How does Silverman know how many atheists died on 9/11?Were they registered atheists?
Vangor: Wonder what this symbol would be? I know American Atheists have a symbol, but I do not know what connection this would have to the events of September 11th. He appears to be missing the point.
jso2897: The term "historical accuracy" is an oxymoron, and holding it up as a value that trumps anybody's happiness is something I don't agree with.
Nutsac_Jim: Amos Quito: FTA: "September 11 "affected all Americans, not just Christians," Silverman continued. "We will not sit and let the 500 atheists who died on 9/11 go unnoticed."How does Silverman know how many atheists died on 9/11?Were they registered atheists?Did someone reject the atheist gravestone?
jcooli09: ronaprhys: jso2897:Ah, so it's a matter of numbers. What percentage or number of people is require for the comfort someone might feel at seeing the symbol of their religion displayed to become legitimate, in your view?That doesn't follow from what I wrote. Try again.someone else you are unable to understand.
BarkingUnicorn: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Proximuscentauri: When I think 'memorial', I immediately think 'BRONZE AGE TORTURE DEVICE'.The idea of the Christian cross is that an instrument of punishment has been transformed into a symbol of redemption and the victory against injustice and death -- which makes it a more fitting symbol than any other for the 9/11 memorial, really, whatever your own beliefs might be.Above all, it is the symbol of the "comeback" that is so beloved. Like Rocky Balboa or Gabrielle Giffords.
ronaprhys: jso2897: Of course I have no point - never said I did.The kind of "lying" I am doing is called "kidding" chum. Relax.We both know that whatever the circumstances, if somebody tried to stick up a Muslim Crescent in that museum, a whole stratum of people would shiat their pants. I would not be among them, nor am I among those who object to the Cross, or to Thor's f**king hammer if it makes somebody feel better about a rotten, shiatty thing that happened.Lighten up, Francis.You'll get over it.If you didn't have a point, you wouldn't be playing - unless you're just trolling for fun.That being said, I would've found it amusing if another religious symbol had shown up. In fact, probably the best would've been a Star of David. Would've pissed off the perpetrators of the attack quite nicely, sent the conspiracy theory loons into a tizzy, and pissed off enough of the Christians to make it worthwhile. A Buddhist symbol? Meh - no one really hates them. Christian? Well, we're seeing that now and the furor is relatively slight. The crescent? Not enough folks here to truly drive the symbol into a museum.
prgrmr: Also, statistically speaking, what's amazing isn't that they pulled cross-shaped steel beams from the WTC rubble; what's amazing is that they only pulled out one.
the ha ha guy: jcooli09: porn is much less damaging than religion, so I'm ok with it. How about you?You don't find it offensive therefore it's fine? Thanks for proving my point.To answer your question, I would argue that there are more people in the US who find porn offensive than there are who find religious icons offensive.So my question is, what makes your right to not be offended greater than the right of others to not be offended? Why should the ground-zero cross be erased from history while enormous genitalia is glorified and printed on our money?
CanisNoir: Jeep2011: JeffreyScott: I think it should be included with a sign at the bottom that states,"This cross is place here so you can remember your all knowing, all seeing, all powerful God sat back and did nothing to stop the attack or the collapse of the World Trade Center towers. Hell, he didn't even delay it so the people could exit the building safely. Either he is a utter and complete asshole or he doesn't exist. Either way you should stop worshiping him."I am OK with thisI dunno, that's a pretty stupid stance and screams "I have no clue what I'm talking about." Someone already mentioned Free Will and the fact that God never said he would protect mankind from all the evils we insist upon inflicting on ourselves; that side of God ended with The Garden of Eden. (If you believe Jewish Tradition)I appreciate all of the Atheists who have come out and stated their opposition to this suit and could care less if the cross is in the museum. Anything I say further goes towards the tantrum throwing children who claim to represent your side in the theological debate.The cross represents a symbol that many people drew strength, courage, and a sense of hope from in a time of great tragedy. Nobody made it, crafted it and planted it there, it happened by coincidence and was adopted as a symbol of all that is good in "Faith". Of course it deserves to be in the museum, and no, an Atheist, Hindu, Budhist or any other type of religious symbol does not need to be added; as far as I know, they weren't there being latched on to by tons of people.Anyone who has a problem with this because it "represents religion" is childlike in the sense that they are carrying a stupid, pointless and huge chip on their shoulder that will only serve to make their own lives miserable, and other innocents lives miserable through collateral damage. Grow the fark up.
cman: Its people like you that give people like me a bad name.Lets take a look at this shall we?Are they forcing you to pray at the base of the cross? Are they forcing you to admit the existence of God? Are they even using verses from the bible?
jcooli09: Just because you can't understand what I'm saying is no reason to get so upset, Nancy.
Krymson Tyde: Atheist asshole trifecta in play.Good job, assholes.
YoOjo: It's only a shape./agnostic, because atheism is too much like having a belief.
ecmoRandomNumbers: violentsalvation: I bet the heat and kinetic energy of the collapse left some mangled steel beams strewn about like a spaghetti monster.The problem with pastafarianism is that it doesn't have its own city. No Mecca, Jerusalem, Vatican, or Salt Lake City. You have to have a city if you want to be a legitimate religion.
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