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(CNN)   NY state court says that 9/11 Cross may be allowed in the memorial's museum. Naturally, some people have a problem with this   (cnn.com) divider line 299
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2013-03-30 02:53:31 PM
Sounds like someone has confused secularism with anti-theism.
 
2013-03-30 03:24:29 PM
it's just one of thousands of T-braces used in the construction of that building.
 
2013-03-30 03:41:47 PM
Pick your battles, people.  This just isn't one worth fighting, on either side really.  Creationism being taught in science class?  BIG problem there.  This?  Blech, who cares?
 
2013-03-30 03:45:26 PM

nekom: Pick your battles, people.  This just isn't one worth fighting, on either side really.  Creationism being taught in science class?  BIG problem there.  This?  Blech, who cares?


This!  I want to tattoo this on some of these evangelical atheists eyelids.  I don't give a fark if they want to plant a sacred grove and worship trees at the memorial, let the believers have their toys.  Just keep them out of my classrooms and my government.  (we have some work to do on this, I know)
 
2013-03-30 04:08:08 PM
Jesus Christ, atheists can be assholes.
 
2013-03-30 04:14:02 PM
I bet the heat and kinetic energy of the collapse left some mangled steel beams strewn about like a spaghetti monster.
 
2013-03-30 04:16:37 PM

Mugato: Jesus Christ, atheists can be assholes.


Any person can be an asshole.

Christians can be assholes.

Muslims can be assholes.

Hindus can be assholes.

Drinkers can be assholes.

Teetotalers can be assholes.

Men can be assholes.

Women can be assholes.

Hell, you don't even need to be human to be an asshole.  I know some ducks who are complete (metaphorical) jackasses.
 
2013-03-30 04:22:54 PM

Voiceofreason01: Sounds like someone has confused secularism with anti-theism.


No kidding.
 
2013-03-30 04:43:32 PM
Atheist asshole trifecta in play.

Good job, assholes.
 
2013-03-30 04:47:28 PM

violentsalvation: I bet the heat and kinetic energy of the collapse left some mangled steel beams strewn about like a spaghetti monster.


The problem with pastafarianism is that it doesn't have its own city. No Mecca, Jerusalem, Vatican, or Salt Lake City. You have to have a city if you want to be a legitimate religion.
 
2013-03-30 04:50:59 PM
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I'm an atheist and I don't even give a f*ck.
 
2013-03-30 05:01:09 PM

Walker: [img.photobucket.com image 400x300]
I'm an atheist and I don't even give a f*ck.


Amen!

Seems silly to attach any significance whatsoever to a cross that survived the 9/11 collapse of two buildings made out of crosses... but hey... seems silly to get worked up enough to try to exclude it from a 9/11 museum.
 
2013-03-30 05:03:27 PM
FTA: "September 11 "affected all Americans, not just Christians," Silverman continued. "We will not sit and let the 500 atheists who died on 9/11 go unnoticed."


How does Silverman know how many atheists died on 9/11?

Were they registered atheists?
 
2013-03-30 05:04:08 PM
Its people like you that give people like me a bad name.

I consider myself agnostic. I have been told that I am closer to atheist beliefs.

Lets take a look at this shall we?

Are they forcing you to pray at the base of the cross? Are they forcing you to admit the existence of God? Are they even using verses from the bible?

No.

This is something that gave people cause for relief in a very troubled time. They are not forcing you to worship their God. All they are asking is that something of this historical significance is saved for future generations to come and understand what happened.
 
2013-03-30 05:05:24 PM

violentsalvation: I bet the heat and kinetic energy of the collapse left some mangled steel beams strewn about like a spaghetti monster.



Yeah, but good luck getting that to fly.
 
2013-03-30 05:14:53 PM
As retarded as this is, it's still way less retarded than giving any significance whatsoever to two beams that happened to end up attached to each other in a perpendicular orientation.
 
2013-03-30 05:40:07 PM
Maybe something Islamic instead?
 
2013-03-30 05:41:11 PM
Silly athiests, it's almost as though they think they're persecuted.  What, do they want to be jewish or something?
 
2013-03-30 05:42:58 PM
Yes, clearly, what's needed here is more religion.
 
2013-03-30 05:43:58 PM
"September 11 "affected all Americans, not just Christians," Silverman continued. "We will not sit and let the 500 atheists who died on 9/11 go unnoticed."

Because to notice one group is to un-notice, or anti-notice if you will, all other groups.
 
2013-03-30 05:48:37 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: violentsalvation: I bet the heat and kinetic energy of the collapse left some mangled steel beams strewn about like a spaghetti monster.

The problem with pastafarianism is that it doesn't have its own city. No Mecca, Jerusalem, Vatican, or Salt Lake City. You have to have a city if you want to be a legitimate religion.


Using that criteria Scientology is a legitimate religion.  They (mostly) own downtown Clearwater.
 
2013-03-30 05:49:49 PM
oh for..

www.patentspostgrant.com
 
2013-03-30 05:49:58 PM
God:

Did not prevent the attacks, resulting deaths, and resulting war(s), and deaths.

Did make his symbol appear in the rubble.
 
2013-03-30 05:50:13 PM

Amos Quito: FTA: "September 11 "affected all Americans, not just Christians," Silverman continued. "We will not sit and let the 500 atheists who died on 9/11 go unnoticed."


........ um, isn't that what the memorial museum is for?
 
2013-03-30 05:50:59 PM

lokis_mentor: ecmoRandomNumbers: violentsalvation: I bet the heat and kinetic energy of the collapse left some mangled steel beams strewn about like a spaghetti monster.

The problem with pastafarianism is that it doesn't have its own city. No Mecca, Jerusalem, Vatican, or Salt Lake City. You have to have a city if you want to be a legitimate religion.

Using that criteria Scientology is a legitimate religion.  They (mostly) own downtown Clearwater.


But the Jews own everything, so they are the MOST legitimate.
 
2013-03-30 05:51:13 PM
Giant "who cares?"
At the end of the day, that "cross" was important to a lot of people, and as such, belongs in the museum as it commemorates not only 9/11, but the turmoil afterwards.
If a bunch of beams fell and arranged themselves into a portrait of Billy Corgan, and for whatever reason a bunch of people found solace in it, it isn't my place to say it doesn't belong at the 9/11 memorial simply because I, and a few victims, farking hated Smashing Pumpkins.

You guys can go ahead and use that allegory the next time you talk about this. I know it's succinct and poignant.
 
2013-03-30 05:52:54 PM
I don't see it as an asshole move to try to block the inclusion of a christian symbol from the museum, but I do see the attempt at inclusion as an asshole move.
 
2013-03-30 05:53:00 PM

nekom: Pick your battles, people.  This just isn't one worth fighting, on either side really.  Creationism being taught in science class?  BIG problem there.  This?  Blech, who cares?


"Not worth fighting"? There is nothing to fight. It's-

Voiceofreason01: Sounds like someone has confused secularism with anti-theism.


-what he said.

I'm as atheistically atheisty as they come, but American Atheists are wrong on this.

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: "September 11 "affected all Americans, not just Christians," Silverman continued. "We will not sit and let the 500 atheists who died on 9/11 go unnoticed."

Because to notice one group is to un-notice, or anti-notice if you will, all other groups.


-and this.
 
2013-03-30 05:53:40 PM
The concept of seperation of church and state does not at all obligate the government to conduct itself as if religion does not exist or to deny those who are religous a public voice.  On the other hand, modern-day chirstianity is infintely more about icon worship and being able to spout the correct dogma rather than being a living example of love and acceptance, so they aren't exactly endearing themselves to anyone with that.
 
2013-03-30 05:54:04 PM
I agree - atheists are assholes.

/a lot of them anyway
//happy Easter you bastards!
 
2013-03-30 05:55:18 PM
arguing that the "government enshrinement of the cross" was an impermissible mingling of church and state.

The government has been enshrining religious art and symbols in Federally run museums for as long as they've existed. Maybe the National Gallery of Art should hide its Italian collection from the eyes of the easily offended.

This guy really needs to pick his battles better. This just makes his organization look like dicks. Also, how does he know how many atheists died in the towers?
 
2013-03-30 05:57:08 PM
Also, statistically speaking, what's amazing isn't that they pulled cross-shaped steel beams from the WTC rubble; what's amazing is that they only pulled out one.
 
2013-03-30 05:57:35 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Silly athiests, it's almost as though they think they're persecuted.  What, do they want to be jewish or something?


According to The Jewish Week, Dave Silverman (FTA) is both Jewish and atheist.


/I wonder where he's celebrating Passover?
 
2013-03-30 05:58:01 PM
I think this guy must have been sitting around one day saying, "I think I should be an atheist, but I don't know how." Then he flipped the channel to Fox News.
 
2013-03-30 06:00:09 PM
3000+ people dead and a cross gets jabbed on top of the rubble?

God's just trolling us at this point.

/3000+ folks escaping certain death would have been a REAL miracle.
//Just sayin'
 
2013-03-30 06:00:48 PM
Federal Judge Deborah Batts of the Southern District of New York ruled Thursday that display of the beams is permissible because they bear historical importance.

I do not disagree with the display, and as long as "historical importance" is meant to mean "significance tied to the content of the museum" this is acceptable. I often hear "historical importance" or some such in religious cases when what is meant is "tradition", as in something which should be unacceptable has been done for so long as to somehow become acceptable. This is unlikely to be the case, and I think this tells a similar story as any other religious iconography in museums. Still, cannot fault the American Atheists for undertaking this because each case helps better establish the lines. Considering the sheer amount of First Amendment violations which are undertaken each year and have continued for decades without opposition, such legal cases require some protracted fighting.

"We are confident that we will eventually win this case and that cross will be removed, or atheists will be allowed to have our own symbol in there," he said.

Wonder what this symbol would be? I know American Atheists have a symbol, but I do not know what connection this would have to the events of September 11th. He appears to be missing the point.
 
2013-03-30 06:01:07 PM

eraser8: Mugato: Jesus Christ, atheists can be assholes.

Any person can be an asshole.

Christians can be assholes.

Muslims can be assholes.

Hindus can be assholes.

Drinkers can be assholes.

Teetotalers can be assholes.

Men can be assholes.

Women can be assholes.

Hell, you don't even need to be human to be an asshole.  I know some ducks who are complete (metaphorical) jackasses.


Yeah, we won't even get started on geese. Those bastards wrote the book.
 
2013-03-30 06:01:50 PM
This makes me embarrassed to be an atheist. We're not all like that, trust me. I think it's a beautiful symbol of 9/11 and should absolutely be included.
 
2013-03-30 06:05:52 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: violentsalvation: I bet the heat and kinetic energy of the collapse left some mangled steel beams strewn about like a spaghetti monster.

The problem with pastafarianism is that it doesn't have its own city. No Mecca, Jerusalem, Vatican, or Salt Lake City. You have to have a city if you want to be a legitimate religion.


I thought FSM was based out of Tennessee. They did erect a statue outside a courthouse.
 
2013-03-30 06:07:07 PM

prgrmr: Also, statistically speaking, what's amazing isn't that they pulled cross-shaped steel beams from the WTC rubble; what's amazing is that they only pulled out one.


It's kinda like picking a Christmas tree.  You gotta walk all around it, shake it, pound it on the ground a few times... but you only have time to do all that with a few, and you only need one to take home.
 
2013-03-30 06:07:31 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: violentsalvation: I bet the heat and kinetic energy of the collapse left some mangled steel beams strewn about like a spaghetti monster.

The problem with pastafarianism is that it doesn't have its own city. No Mecca, Jerusalem, Vatican, or Salt Lake City. You have to have a city if you want to be a legitimate religion.


Voiceofreason01: Sounds like someone has confused secularism with anti-theism.


They can take Detroit. Not only would no one notice, no one would care if they did.
 
2013-03-30 06:08:22 PM

hornblowerfan: This makes me embarrassed to be an atheist. We're not all like that, trust me. I think it's a beautiful symbol of 9/11 and should absolutely be included.


Why be embarrassed? This asshat has nothing to do with you.

I'm pissed that he's claiming to speak for me.
 
2013-03-30 06:10:27 PM
"We are confident that we will eventually win this case and that cross will be removed, or atheists will be allowed to have our own symbol in there," he said.

Why wasn't this the main goal in the first place?  It's an historical artifact and I have no problem with it being displayed in the museum so long as they're not denying all other symbols.
 
2013-03-30 06:10:34 PM
mail it to George W as a souvenir of his Poland.
 
2013-03-30 06:11:10 PM
I think it's entirely appropriate to include the cross of girders in the 9/11 museum. It's a stellar example of misguided religious thinking which reinforces unfounded superstition at the expense of rational thought.

The reason a cross was found in the wreckage at Ground Zero is because hundreds of thousands of such intersecting girders were used in the towers' construction. Structures are built at 90-degree angles because putting load-bearing structures perpendicular to the force of gravity is the strongest and most efficient method of construction.

It would have been a miracle if search teams hadn't found any cross-like shapes in the wreckage at Ground Zero.

People who find meaning in this artifact do so because they're attempting to retrofit the laws of physics into their religious belief systems. This nonsensical demand that the entire world conform to the religious preferences of some is what led to the attacks on the twin towers in the first place.

So it's a perfect metaphor for why the tragedy happened, and as long as there are people who see the welded intersection of two structural beams and regard it as a personal sign from God, there will be people willing to commit future 9/11s.
 
2013-03-30 06:11:39 PM
If anyone wants to know what a militant atheist looks like, it's the ones who are so worked up they care about this shiat.
 
2013-03-30 06:11:43 PM

Ennuipoet: evangelical atheists


What really annoys me is that they're completely full of nothing.
 
2013-03-30 06:16:31 PM
It's only a shape.

/agnostic, because atheism is too much like having a belief.
 
2013-03-30 06:16:43 PM

Vangor: Still, cannot fault the American Atheists for undertaking this because each case helps better establish the lines. Considering the sheer amount of First Amendment violations which are undertaken each year and have continued for decades without opposition, such legal cases require some protracted fighting.


I disagree. Picking the wrong battles absolutely can end up doing more harm to your cause than good. It's why half the crap the NAACP does infuriates me.
 
2013-03-30 06:19:30 PM
As a New York atheist, I echo the thoughts of most in this thread in saying this is an asinine lawsuit.  As for getting a symbol of our own at the WTC, I'd say the fountains should be enough.  Watching the water pour off into an empty black hole fills the viewer with a profound sense of nothingness-- precisely what the religiously motivated 9/11 attacks accomplished.  It's a thousand times more powerful than another "IMAGINE" wreath could ever be.
 
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