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2013-03-30 05:17:22 PM
Thanks Obama
 
2013-03-30 05:18:17 PM
A little overeager to work in airport security.  I think an investigation is warranted.
 
2013-03-30 05:18:35 PM
An administrative judge with the U.S. Merit Systems Protection Board ruled earlier this month Ware should be reinstated to his $89,000-a-year job.

Jesus H Fark.
 
2013-03-30 05:19:22 PM
He must really like fondling strangers...
 
2013-03-30 05:22:07 PM
Government employee.
 
2013-03-30 05:22:10 PM
Raymond Ware, who was let go along with 35 other TSA employees in 2011 after an investigation revealed that for several months, some officers failed to hand-screen checked baggage for explosives at Honolulu International Airport.

As a manager, Ware was in charge of nine separate areas on two levels of HNL's international terminal, including the lobby where the improper screening happened.
"I look forward to returning and doing what I love to do, which is to protect the flying public," Ware said.


His argument boils down to saying that he never saw anyone not do their job, therefore it is not his fault that a large number of his employees were not doing their job.

This guy managed to get his job back via the court system after being fired TWICE and seems to think that his responsibility extends only to what he can see with his own eyes. He'll go far in government service.
 
2013-03-30 05:22:43 PM

NutWrench: An administrative judge with the U.S. Merit Systems Protection Board ruled earlier this month Ware should be reinstated to his $89,000-a-year job.

Jesus H Fark.


Wait wait wait wait.


He's not a dude at a checkpoint... is he?
 
2013-03-30 05:23:49 PM

NutWrench: An administrative judge with the U.S. Merit Systems Protection Board ruled earlier this month Ware should be reinstated to his $89,000-a-year job.

Jesus H Fark.


Keep reading.  He's received $500,000 in "back pay" for the first incident and is up for another $250,000 in "back pay" for this one.

A lot of these guys are retired cops on a pension too.
 
2013-03-30 05:25:12 PM

Marine1: He's not a dude at a checkpoint... is he?


FTFA:
As a manager, Ware was in charge of nine separate areas on two levels of HNL's international terminal, including the lobby where the improper screening happened.

Sounds like he's one of those suits who walks around the checkpoints looking important.
 
2013-03-30 05:26:31 PM

NutWrench: An administrative judge with the U.S. Merit Systems Protection Board ruled earlier this month Ware should be reinstated to his $89,000-a-year job.

Jesus H Fark.


That's $89,000 + benefits (including a pension) for having ZERO responsibility. $89k for a stressful job is one thing, but no accountability should come with a minimum wage price tag.
 
2013-03-30 05:28:16 PM
$89K a year?  I'm in the wrong business.  I actually have to think and produce a product for less than that
 
2013-03-30 05:28:48 PM

LessO2: Marine1: He's not a dude at a checkpoint... is he?

FTFA:
As a manager, Ware was in charge of nine separate areas on two levels of HNL's international terminal, including the lobby where the improper screening happened.

Sounds like he's one of those suits who walks around the checkpoints looking important.


If he gets within 50 yards of a checkpoint on a daily basis, his wage should be $7.25 an hour.
 
2013-03-30 05:31:51 PM

Marine1: If he gets within 50 yards of a checkpoint on a daily basis, his wage should be $7.25 an hour.


HAHAHAHAHA....this is the TSA you're talking about here.  Their budget is about $8b a year (might be a little higher).

You can't spell "waste" without using the letters T-S-A.
 
2013-03-30 05:34:33 PM
In 2008, federal Judge Helen Gillmor ordered the TSA to rehire Ware, give him a promotion from supervisors to manager and give him back pay and interest of nearly $500,000, Barbee-Wooten said.

Holy crap!

He sued the TSA in federal court, successfully claiming the TSA discriminated against him because he was black and came from Texas, so he wasn't given promotional opportunities enjoyed by Hawaii residents, especially former members of the Honolulu Police Department.

I can't speak for the TSA, but I'm a Hawaii resident and he may have a point. We don't really have a whole lot of black people here. I can't think of any black people who have held an elected office here, and I don't know of any black business leaders or high-profile people, except for Famous Amos (the cookie guy) and Herman Frazer (our disgraced former Univ. of Hawaii athletic director). Oh, and Obama, but he left a long time ago. When the only knowledge people have about black people are through rap videos and TV shows, they may tend to have an unfavorable opinion of them. Not saying it's right, but that's often how it works.

BTW, the local term for a black person is "Popolo". Not sure where that came from, but I don't think it's generally a derogatory word, at least not when I've heard it used.
 
2013-03-30 05:40:39 PM

A Shambling Mound: Raymond Ware, who was let go along with 35 other TSA employees in 2011 after an investigation revealed that for several months, some officers failed to hand-screen checked baggage for explosives at Honolulu International Airport.

As a manager, Ware was in charge of nine separate areas on two levels of HNL's international terminal, including the lobby where the improper screening happened.
"I look forward to returning and doing what I love to do, which is to protect the flying public," Ware said.

His argument boils down to saying that he never saw anyone not do their job, therefore it is not his fault that a large number of his employees were not doing their job.

This guy managed to get his job back via the court system after being fired TWICE and seems to think that his responsibility extends only to what he can see with his own eyes. He'll go far in government service.


Hey hey hey.  Hang on just a minute there.

"I was charged with being negligent and careless and the judge found that I was neither," said Raymond Ware

Now you may have higher standards for managers but "Not quite bad enough to be found criminally negligent" is good enough for me.
 
2013-03-30 05:40:48 PM

Smeggy Smurf: $89K a year?  I'm in the wrong business.  I actually have to think and produce a product for less than that


Shiat...i have ppl's lives in my hand for slightly less

I fark up....and ppl die.

/think i need a raise...
 
2013-03-30 05:45:47 PM
Ha this guys is an amateur. Talk to this Illinois Tollway employee:

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/03/28/ig-report-tollway-supervisor- fi red-for-third-time/
 
2013-03-30 05:54:48 PM
Feeling secure?

Wwaahaahaa

TSA MUST DIE!
 
2013-03-30 05:54:50 PM
Bear in mind the person responsible for the firing probably makes considerably more money than than this guy. FIRE THEM!
 
2013-03-30 06:02:58 PM
You can only get by so long on severance pay and .75mm in back pay before you run out of iPad and Rolex money.  He NEEDS that job.
 
2013-03-30 06:09:52 PM

catpuncher: NutWrench: An administrative judge with the U.S. Merit Systems Protection Board ruled earlier this month Ware should be reinstated to his $89,000-a-year job.

Jesus H Fark.

Keep reading.  He's received $500,000 in "back pay" for the first incident and is up for another $250,000 in "back pay" for this one.

A lot of these guys are retired cops on a pension too.



Don't forget the extra unemployment checks.

Someone really knows how to work the system.  I'm so completely amazed that it's a dumping ground for the shiftless and lazy.  It's better than the DMV.
 
2013-03-30 06:13:33 PM

catpuncher: NutWrench: An administrative judge with the U.S. Merit Systems Protection Board ruled earlier this month Ware should be reinstated to his $89,000-a-year job.

Jesus H Fark.

Keep reading.  He's received $500,000 in "back pay" for the first incident and is up for another $250,000 in "back pay" for this one.

A lot of these guys are retired cops on a pension too.


that explains a lot. finding employees that are both inept and offensive is no small task.
 
2013-03-30 06:22:47 PM

KrispyKritter: finding employees that are both inept and offensive is no small task.


And yet they've never offered you one.
 
2013-03-30 06:42:01 PM
89K a year? I got no problem with the TSA. They have a shiatty job, defined by an ignorant public. But Christ, 89K a year? I fly at least 4 times a month, and that job could be part of the SSI disablity program. You know, to make the cripples feel useful. The most active I've ever seen those farkers was when there was a lockdown at a gate at MCI, and a brigade of them stood in front of the gate, obese pieces of shiat with 32 ounce sodas in hand and fierce growls on their faces, looking for all the world like the Goonies defending their tree fort. God damn it. We pay those farkers that much? Even in Honolulu, that's too much for what they do, especially if they're not even going to be responsible and do it.
 
2013-03-30 06:52:57 PM
I wasn't in court so I won't second guess the rulings. If they called it improper firing he deserved the back pay.

The salary is not unseemly given his position.


Tsa IS, however, a big theater for the pants-wetting masses.
 
2013-03-30 07:03:16 PM
Someone in Hawaii not doing work? Color me shocked. When my ex was stationed there, they had to post watches to keep the shipyard workers actually on the shipyard, 'cause they had a habit of showing up, clocking in, and then leaving until it was time to show up again & clock out.

Atomic Spunk: In 2008, federal Judge Helen Gillmor ordered the TSA to rehire Ware, give him a promotion from supervisors to manager and give him back pay and interest of nearly $500,000, Barbee-Wooten said.

Holy crap!

He sued the TSA in federal court, successfully claiming the TSA discriminated against him because he was black and came from Texas, so he wasn't given promotional opportunities enjoyed by Hawaii residents, especially former members of the Honolulu Police Department.

I can't speak for the TSA, but I'm a Hawaii resident and he may have a point. We don't really have a whole lot of black people here. I can't think of any black people who have held an elected office here, and I don't know of any black business leaders or high-profile people, except for Famous Amos (the cookie guy) and Herman Frazer (our disgraced former Univ. of Hawaii athletic director). Oh, and Obama, but he left a long time ago. When the only knowledge people have about black people are through rap videos and TV shows, they may tend to have an unfavorable opinion of them. Not saying it's right, but that's often how it works.

BTW, the local term for a black person is "Popolo". Not sure where that came from, but I don't think it's generally a derogatory word, at least not when I've heard it used.


In the 18 months we were there, I saw one black guy who was not on base. It may have been this fellow, for all I know.  Honolulu is the most ethnically mixed place with almost no black people.
 
2013-03-30 07:16:51 PM
 A lot of derp going on here.  This guy was fairly high up at a major airport.  $89k salary is not out of order.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a witch hunt going on, since ~40 people were let go.  That said, maybe a witch hunt was warranted.  But bottom line he got his job back, which means the people doing the firing didn't have their ducks in a row.  Anybody who has had any dealings wiith Federal HR knows that you pretty much have to take a dump on your boss' desk to get fired OR you're pretty guaranteed of getting your job back if you are (there are so many regulations and HR laws).  Which is what happened here.  (So basically we don't have much data if this guy was a fark up or not and can't conclude that he was just because he was fired.) This is not specific to the TSA.  Though, I'll admit the TSA may be more susceptible because their agency mission is to have a public presence that the government is Doing Something About Terrorism.
 
2013-03-30 07:28:14 PM
Throw da bum out!

It's probably a good thing I don't run the US. I'd probably round up all the TSA people and put them into happy-Funtime camps with the other parasites.
 
2013-03-30 07:30:58 PM
89,000 a year? Fark!
 
2013-03-30 07:39:25 PM
Whoa, $89k a year?! I would take that for limited responsibility and "managing" a bunch of glorified mall cops.

My TSA csb - last year, flying out of Orlando after a work trip, I got in the hour long line of post Disney visiting families. I went through the metal detector and all of the sudden a half dozen guards ran over and started saying something about my shoes (on the conveyer detector). Turns out I had left the Nike running chip inside my insole and they thought it was a bomb...or something. They let me off with a stern warning, but they made it seem like I was about to start an international incident.
 
2013-03-30 07:42:56 PM
He misses terrorizing people at the security point.  That's ok.  I miss my cat
 
2013-03-30 07:42:58 PM
FTFA: "Before an employee is fired, you need to know that that employee actually engaged in misconduct or knew of misconduct.  Don't just decide that 'Oh, I'm gonna fire from the top up and make a big splash in the news and the media and show that we're really tough at TSA,'" Barbee-Wooten said.

Is that even possible?

She said the TSA completed an incomplete, "lousy" investigation

Barbee-Wooton is one smart talkin' lawyer.
 
2013-03-30 07:43:47 PM
So what did he do to get fired, anyway? Not find out that his employees were slacking? Should TSA managers be responsible for arranging tests like the one that caught them? (Maybe they should, at that - I can't imagine any other way to do it, except monitoring equipment that can be spot-checked so that the line agents can't just sharpen up when the suits swing by.)
 
2013-03-30 07:45:33 PM
Maybe he should look for a job elsewhere.
 
2013-03-30 07:54:01 PM

Wodan11: A lot of derp going on here.  This guy was fairly high up at a major airport.  $89k salary is not out of order.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a witch hunt going on, since ~40 people were let go.  That said, maybe a witch hunt was warranted.  But bottom line he got his job back, which means the people doing the firing didn't have their ducks in a row.  Anybody who has had any dealings wiith Federal HR knows that you pretty much have to take a dump on your boss' desk to get fired OR you're pretty guaranteed of getting your job back if you are (there are so many regulations and HR laws).  Which is what happened here.  (So basically we don't have much data if this guy was a fark up or not and can't conclude that he was just because he was fired.) This is not specific to the TSA.  Though, I'll admit the TSA may be more susceptible because their agency mission is to have a public presence that the government is Doing Something About Terrorism.



Usually, yes.

However with the TSA, I would probably divide every single person's salary in half, and then we're in decent territory.
 
2013-03-30 07:55:56 PM
"Before an employee is fired, you need to know that that employee actually engaged in misconduct or knew of misconduct."

That makes sense, but, in the paragraph right about that we have him saying...

"I felt that there were a few bad mangos, but you don't throw out the entire bushel because of that.  There were those that did not screen properly, but it wasn't everyone," Ware said.


You suck, judge who gave this guy his job back...again.
 
2013-03-30 09:28:17 PM
He's a TSA employee.

But he got the shaft and was fired for incorrect reasons.

But he's grossly overpaid and the back pay award was excessive.

But TSA management learned a lesson the only way they understand--financially.

I'm so conflicted, how am I supposed to feel about this story?
 
2013-03-30 09:53:22 PM

NutWrench: An administrative judge with the U.S. Merit Systems Protection Board ruled earlier this month Ware should be reinstated to his $89,000-a-year job.

Jesus H Fark.


I have wonder how much of that is for location adjustment. Honolulu is an expensive place to live.
 
2013-03-30 10:34:26 PM

Hongcouver: Bear in mind the person responsible for the firing probably makes considerably more money than than this guy. FIRE THEM!


Why not all of them?
 
2013-03-31 08:28:04 AM
Of course he wants his job back! Where else can he grope women in public, steal shiat from luggage and basically act like a giant douche without fear of being arrested?
 
2013-03-31 10:54:35 AM

BumpInTheNight: "Before an employee is fired, you need to know that that employee actually engaged in misconduct or knew of misconduct."

That makes sense, but, in the paragraph right about that we have him saying...

"I felt that there were a few bad mangos, but you don't throw out the entire bushel because of that.  There were those that did not screen properly, but it wasn't everyone," Ware said.


You suck, judge who gave this guy his job back...again.


Kindly explain why we have "judges" if all that happens is slavish, stupid interpretation of the rules?
I always thought, incorrectly, that judges were supposed to do the right thing.
 
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