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2013-03-30 08:42:45 PM  

BMFPitt: s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: s2s2s2: To determine if your atheism has any relation to faith, answer the question below.

Is there a god?

There is no evidence that there is a god, no.

How can you be sure of that?

Because someone in this thread would have pointed it out.


This.  If there was any evidence whatsoever for the existance of a deity, the 4 billion theists on this planet would be rubbing our noses in it constantly.
 
2013-03-30 08:44:02 PM  

s2s2s2: I bet you're just really confident in what you believe. If only there was a word for that


The scientific method?
 
2013-03-30 08:44:20 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: s2s2s2: So you have examined all evidence of any kind, any where, and determined, through your own research, that there exists no evidence pointing toward the existence of some extra terrestrial intelligence?

I bet you're just really confident in what you believe. If only there was a word for that.

Both Sides Are Bad, So Vote Jesus.


Nah, just helping Cam find the faith he lost drinking beer(BEER, YOU GUYS!) in the London Underground.
 
2013-03-30 08:45:01 PM  

FloydA: common sense is an oxymoron: whidbey: Giltric: My antiquated world view is "mind your own business" something that atheists nor the religious have a grasp of.

Oh I have a total grasp of it. But sometimes minding one's own business allows ignorance and injustices to continue unchallenged. See=any civil rights issue of the past 100 years.

But as a free thinking man of the times you do not see the irnoy of the atheists process to convert people to atheism or the attempted conversion? You sound very religiously atheist.

Free-thinkers don't try to push the fallacy that a system based on reason and knowledge is somehow a "religion." Troll harder, dude.


Atheism isn't a religion, but it is based on faith rather than irrefutable evidence.

Prove it.

No, seriously, I want you to prove that my unwillingness to support your bald assertion is a form of "faith."   Tell me, with a strait face, that my unwillingness to accept your claims requires as much "faith" as your willingness to propose them.

Theists say "there is a god."  We agree that this claim requires "faith."

Atheists say "Oh yeah?  Show me."

explain to me how the atheist is relying on "faith."



I am not a theist, and I make no claims regarding the existence of "god." Any such proposals I may make are purely hypothetical.

Some theists say, "God is [definition A];" other theists say, "God is [definition B];" etc. There are definitions of "god" that are not part of any organized religion, and there are definitions of "god" that may be believed by nobody.

If one assumes that "god" = "creator of the universe," then perhaps "god" was a long-deceased scientist who conducted a physics experiment somewhere/somewhen which produced a rapidly expanding bubble of space-time. In this case, there is no way to distinguish the existence of "god" from the nonexistence of same. The origin of the universe is beyond our ability to observe.

Asking a particular theist to "show me" MAY rule out that individual's definition of "god" but does nothing to address any other definitions.

When there is no way (at least from our current perspective) to settle the question one way or the other, how is the statement "There is NO god" based on anything other than faith?
 
2013-03-30 08:45:02 PM  
Sorry, that's more of a phrase.
 
2013-03-30 08:45:55 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: s2s2s2: I bet you're just really confident in what you believe. If only there was a word for that

The scientific method?


They came up with a way to use it to prove a negative?
I gotta renew my subscription to Popular Science!
 
2013-03-30 08:46:44 PM  

s2s2s2: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: s2s2s2: So you have examined all evidence of any kind, any where, and determined, through your own research, that there exists no evidence pointing toward the existence of some extra terrestrial intelligence?

I bet you're just really confident in what you believe. If only there was a word for that.

Both Sides Are Bad, So Vote Jesus.

Nah, just helping Cam find the faith he lost drinking beer(BEER, YOU GUYS!) in the London Underground.


I have no faith. I have no idea why you'd bring up my profile picture, but glad you looked at it!
 
2013-03-30 08:48:10 PM  

s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: s2s2s2: I bet you're just really confident in what you believe. If only there was a word for that

The scientific method?

They came up with a way to use it to prove a negative?
I gotta renew my subscription to Popular Science!


Has it proven the existence of god yet? No? Hey, science works!
 
2013-03-30 08:49:09 PM  
Faith is believing in something without evidence. Science is proving something with evidence. I don't have faith.
 
2013-03-30 08:49:20 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: s2s2s2: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: s2s2s2: So you have examined all evidence of any kind, any where, and determined, through your own research, that there exists no evidence pointing toward the existence of some extra terrestrial intelligence?

I bet you're just really confident in what you believe. If only there was a word for that.

Both Sides Are Bad, So Vote Jesus.

Nah, just helping Cam find the faith he lost drinking beer(BEER, YOU GUYS!) in the London Underground.

I have no faith. I have no idea why you'd bring up my profile picture, but glad you looked at it!





I was recalling a thread in which your trip had become a point of conversation. Just to let you know I respect you as a real person, and bear* you no ill will.

*is it "bare"?
 
2013-03-30 08:51:40 PM  

s2s2s2: I was recalling a thread in which your trip had become a point of conversation


I don't remember this thread.

Perhaps I was drunk at the time!

s2s2s2: Just to let you know I respect you as a real person, and bear* you no ill will.


It's "bear"
 
2013-03-30 08:52:18 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Faith is believing in something without evidence. Science is proving something with evidence. I don't have faith.


So what you meant to say was, "I have seen no evidence to uphold any contention re: god."

Saying "no" to my question is an assertion.
 
2013-03-30 08:52:58 PM  
In summary:

Christians: "On Good Friday, we celebrate the death of [1/3] God."

Dallas atheists: "Let me paraphrase: God is dead. Have a good Friday"

Christians, agnostics, and self-hating atheists: "ATHEISM IS A RELIGION."
 
2013-03-30 08:53:16 PM  
Science has, literally, nothing to say about the existence of god. That does not qualify the assertion that god does not exist.
 
2013-03-30 08:53:33 PM  

s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: Faith is believing in something without evidence. Science is proving something with evidence. I don't have faith.

So what you meant to say was, "I have seen no evidence to uphold any contention re: god."

Saying "no" to my question is an assertion.


Loaded question.
 
2013-03-30 08:55:27 PM  

s2s2s2: That does not qualify the assertion that god does not exist.


If god did exist, wouldn't there be evidence of it?
 
2013-03-30 08:55:41 PM  

antisocialworker: In summary:

Christians: "On Good Friday, we celebrate the death of [1/3] God."

Dallas atheists: "Let me paraphrase: God is dead. Have a good Friday"

Christians, agnostics, and self-hating atheists: "ATHEISM IS A RELIGION."


That's like saying "In sum, Jack Bauer saved America."  You're skipping all the good parts.
 
2013-03-30 08:55:49 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: Faith is believing in something without evidence. Science is proving something with evidence. I don't have faith.

So what you meant to say was, "I have seen no evidence to uphold any contention re: god."

Saying "no" to my question is an assertion.

Loaded question.


Obviously*. I was hoping this would have been the Weeners.

*also effective
 
2013-03-30 08:57:27 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: When there is no way (at least from our current perspective) to settle the question one way or the other, how is the statement "There is NO god" based on anything other than faith?


Insert Morbo here.  "Faith does not work that way!"

To put it this way, think of Harvey. What you're saying is that its a matter of faith that Elwood's a little different upstairs and that there is no Harvey the pooka. Or for a more real world and less amicable argument, try David Berkowitz. Is it a matter of faith that there was no dog telling him to kill people?
 
2013-03-30 08:59:03 PM  

s2s2s2: Science has, literally, nothing to say about the existence of god. That does not qualify the assertion that god does not exist.


Science has nothing to say about the existence unicorns, either.
 
2013-03-30 08:59:58 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: s2s2s2: Science has, literally, nothing to say about the existence of god. That does not qualify the assertion that god does not exist.

Science has nothing to say about the existence unicorns, either.


You're just taking it on faith that unicorns don't exist, man!
 
2013-03-30 09:00:36 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: s2s2s2: That does not qualify the assertion that god does not exist.

If god did exist, wouldn't there be evidence of it?


Maybe. Universe is a big place. Hell, maybe the evidence exists, but is currently beyond our means to detect it, or relate it to such existence.
 
2013-03-30 09:00:57 PM  

Fart_Machine: common sense is an oxymoron: Fart_Machine: common sense is an oxymoron: Nor is there irrefutable evidence of the NONexistence of a god.

Except that they don't have to.  Hence the whole "you can't prove a negative".


If it can't be proven, then what is one's disbelief based on?

Not sure if serious.  If it can't be proven then the logical thing is to remain skeptical.  Do you feel this way about people who don't believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny?



The existence of Santa Claus/the Easter bunny can be disproven by the physical impossibility of a reindeer-driven flying sleigh/rabbit delivering presents to billions of people in one day. However, the supposed nature of Santa/EB is pretty much agreed upon by everyone participating in the discussion.

When the very definition of "god" is open to interpretation, disproof becomes far more difficult, perhaps even impossible.
 
2013-03-30 09:02:12 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: s2s2s2: Science has, literally, nothing to say about the existence of god. That does not qualify the assertion that god does not exist.

Science has nothing to say about the existence unicorns, either.


Science has plenty to say about the existence of unicorns.
 
2013-03-30 09:05:39 PM  
savethenarwhals.org
 
2013-03-30 09:06:01 PM  

s2s2s2: Lionel Mandrake: s2s2s2: Science has, literally, nothing to say about the existence of god. That does not qualify the assertion that god does not exist.

Science has nothing to say about the existence unicorns, either.

Science has plenty to say about the existence of unicorns.


Psychology and neurology are sciences.
 
2013-03-30 09:07:49 PM  
Another picture of a unicorn(look it up):
www.frogmusic.com
 
2013-03-30 09:09:11 PM  

s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: s2s2s2: That does not qualify the assertion that god does not exist.

If god did exist, wouldn't there be evidence of it?

Maybe. Universe is a big place. Hell, maybe the evidence exists, but is currently beyond our means to detect it, or relate it to such existence.


Until such a time as that evidence presents itself, then god in fact does not exist.
 
2013-03-30 09:09:18 PM  

s2s2s2: Another picture of a unicorn(look it up):
[www.frogmusic.com image 550x356]


You're not helping yourself.
 
2013-03-30 09:11:51 PM  

FloydA: That one's pretty dickish.

Last year's "Our Families Are Great Without Religion" was a good one; it was a positive message about atheist families.  This is just assholiness and trying to piss off the god botherers.

Rule number one of atheist advertising should be "don't be an asshole."


And that's why you'll never be a good atheist advertiser.
 
2013-03-30 09:11:57 PM  
Why don't atheist groups put positive ads up instead of going for the low hanging fruit and trolling reactionary retards?

Why feed that persecution complex any further? It needs a diet not an extra helping.

Howsabout... "You don't have to believe in God to believe in Good"?

That's just off the top of my head but ya get the idea.

/Atheist/Recovering Catholic.
 
2013-03-30 09:12:55 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: Fart_Machine: common sense is an oxymoron: Fart_Machine: common sense is an oxymoron: Nor is there irrefutable evidence of the NONexistence of a god.

Except that they don't have to.  Hence the whole "you can't prove a negative".


If it can't be proven, then what is one's disbelief based on?

Not sure if serious.  If it can't be proven then the logical thing is to remain skeptical.  Do you feel this way about people who don't believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny?


The existence of Santa Claus/the Easter bunny can be disproven by the physical impossibility of a reindeer-driven flying sleigh/rabbit delivering presents to billions of people in one day. However, the supposed nature of Santa/EB is pretty much agreed upon by everyone participating in the discussion.

When the very definition of "god" is open to interpretation, disproof becomes far more difficult, perhaps even impossible.


Well, people do make pretty specific claims about things that supposedly happened.

Is a flying reindeer any more ridiculous than feeding 5000 people with 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread?
 
2013-03-30 09:13:58 PM  

bulldg4life: This group sounds like a bunch of jackbags that are no better than the fundamentalist Christians they despise.

Now, the "our families are great without religion" one is good. You can advocate your morals and ideas outside of religion without throwing stones at the Christians to piss them off.


Doesn't matter what atheists say, Christians and other Religions will take any mention of non-religion as an attack on theirs. So they might as well go full-out. Because it's not the devout Christian they're trying to convert.
 
2013-03-30 09:14:01 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: common sense is an oxymoron: When there is no way (at least from our current perspective) to settle the question one way or the other, how is the statement "There is NO god" based on anything other than faith?

Insert Morbo here.  "Faith does not work that way!"

To put it this way, think of Harvey. What you're saying is that its a matter of faith that Elwood's a little different upstairs and that there is no Harvey the pooka. Or for a more real world and less amicable argument, try David Berkowitz. Is it a matter of faith that there was no dog telling him to kill people?



Both of these are specific examples in which all of the components are pretty well defined (although in Elwood's defense, *something* opened the door and crossed the room), and it is generally accepted that there is absolutely zero evidence that dogs are capable of ordering humans about (via telepathy, at any rate). In the case of "god," there is no single definition which everyone can agree with, so what is the basis for claiming that all possible definitions are false?
 
2013-03-30 09:17:34 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: common sense is an oxymoron: Fart_Machine: common sense is an oxymoron: Fart_Machine: common sense is an oxymoron: Nor is there irrefutable evidence of the NONexistence of a god.

Except that they don't have to.  Hence the whole "you can't prove a negative".


If it can't be proven, then what is one's disbelief based on?

Not sure if serious.  If it can't be proven then the logical thing is to remain skeptical.  Do you feel this way about people who don't believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny?


The existence of Santa Claus/the Easter bunny can be disproven by the physical impossibility of a reindeer-driven flying sleigh/rabbit delivering presents to billions of people in one day. However, the supposed nature of Santa/EB is pretty much agreed upon by everyone participating in the discussion.

When the very definition of "god" is open to interpretation, disproof becomes far more difficult, perhaps even impossible.

Well, people do make pretty specific claims about things that supposedly happened.

Is a flying reindeer any more ridiculous than feeding 5000 people with 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread?



There are other religions besides Christianity, and there are definitions of "god" which may not belong to any religion at all.
 
2013-03-30 09:17:43 PM  

s2s2s2: Lionel Mandrake: s2s2s2: Science has, literally, nothing to say about the existence of god. That does not qualify the assertion that god does not exist.

Science has nothing to say about the existence unicorns, either.

Science has plenty to say about the existence of unicorns.


But it has nothing to say about the invisible, non-corporeal unicorns. Right.
 
2013-03-30 09:17:55 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: s2s2s2: That does not qualify the assertion that god does not exist.

If god did exist, wouldn't there be evidence of it?

Maybe. Universe is a big place. Hell, maybe the evidence exists, but is currently beyond our means to detect it, or relate it to such existence.

Until such a time as that evidence presents itself, then god in fact does not exist.


Presents itself? Your definition of facts sure assumes a lot in the absence of supporting evidence.
 
2013-03-30 09:18:23 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: it is generally accepted that there is absolutely zero evidence that dogs are capable of ordering humans about


So you have absolute faith that the neighbor's dog wasn't possessed by a demon.

.

common sense is an oxymoron: In the case of "god," there is no single definition which everyone can agree with


capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as
a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe
b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit  : infinite Mind
 
2013-03-30 09:18:33 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: s2s2s2: Another picture of a unicorn(look it up):
[www.frogmusic.com image 550x356]

You're not helping yourself.


I don't need any. Thank you for your concern.
 
2013-03-30 09:19:35 PM  

antisocialworker: s2s2s2: Lionel Mandrake: s2s2s2: Science has, literally, nothing to say about the existence of god. That does not qualify the assertion that god does not exist.

Science has nothing to say about the existence unicorns, either.

Science has plenty to say about the existence of unicorns.

But it has nothing to say about the invisible, non-corporeal unicorns. Right.


Why should it?
 
2013-03-30 09:19:41 PM  

IoSaturnalia: BMFPitt: s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: s2s2s2: To determine if your atheism has any relation to faith, answer the question below.

Is there a god?

There is no evidence that there is a god, no.

How can you be sure of that?

Because someone in this thread would have pointed it out.

This.  If there was any evidence whatsoever for the existance of a deity, the 4 billion theists on this planet would be rubbing our noses in it constantly.


They do.  At least, they rub our noses in what they believe is evidence in the existence of their deity.  Of course, they're really large books of bronze age fables mixed together with self-fulfilling prophecies, but that's enough evidence for someone who needs none.
 
2013-03-30 09:21:11 PM  

s2s2s2: Lionel Mandrake: s2s2s2: Another picture of a unicorn(look it up):
[www.frogmusic.com image 550x356]

You're not helping yourself.

I don't need any. Thank you for your concern.


True.  You're capable of looking foolish all by yourself.
 
2013-03-30 09:22:07 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: Both of these are specific examples in which all of the components are pretty well defined (although in Elwood's defense, *something* opened the door and crossed the room), and it is generally accepted that there is absolutely zero evidence that dogs are capable of ordering humans about (via telepathy, at any rate). In the case of "god," there is no single definition which everyone can agree with, so what is the basis for claiming that all possible definitions are false?


That every single definition claims something supernatural, making them unfalsifiable in science...and irrelevant in the natural world.
 
2013-03-30 09:22:26 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: Fart_Machine: common sense is an oxymoron: Fart_Machine: common sense is an oxymoron: Nor is there irrefutable evidence of the NONexistence of a god.

Except that they don't have to.  Hence the whole "you can't prove a negative".


If it can't be proven, then what is one's disbelief based on?

Not sure if serious.  If it can't be proven then the logical thing is to remain skeptical.  Do you feel this way about people who don't believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny?


The existence of Santa Claus/the Easter bunny can be disproven by the physical impossibility of a reindeer-driven flying sleigh/rabbit delivering presents to billions of people in one day. However, the supposed nature of Santa/EB is pretty much agreed upon by everyone participating in the discussion.

When the very definition of "god" is open to interpretation, disproof becomes far more difficult, perhaps even impossible.


It's about as impossible as an entity creating the Universe in 6 days?
 
2013-03-30 09:23:47 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: There are other religions besides Christianity, and there are definitions of "god" which may not belong to any religion at all.


Really?  Golly, thanks for pointing that out.
 
2013-03-30 09:25:06 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: s2s2s2: Lionel Mandrake: s2s2s2: Another picture of a unicorn(look it up):
[www.frogmusic.com image 550x356]

You're not helping yourself.

I don't need any. Thank you for your concern.

True.  You're capable of looking foolish all by yourself.


Also foolish: Declaring the inability to test for something = evidence against something.

Any assertion lacking supporting evidence is a statement of faith.
 
2013-03-30 09:27:28 PM  

s2s2s2: Declaring the inability to test for something = evidence against something.


Now you're saying that we are not able to test for god? When did that happen?
 
2013-03-30 09:27:55 PM  
Okay that's not bad, they should have made a whole set of these.
 
2013-03-30 09:30:43 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: s2s2s2: Declaring the inability to test for something = evidence against something.

Now you're saying that we are not able to test for god? When did that happen?


There is a time stamp above the post you quoted, to the right.
 
2013-03-30 09:31:37 PM  

s2s2s2: Another picture of a unicorn(look it up):
[www.frogmusic.com image 550x356]


What an actual "unicorn" might look like:

currencewiki.wikispaces.com
 
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