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2013-03-30 06:53:30 PM

EnviroDude: 2/10. The funniest one I read this week is "Judas is the Reason for the Season"


Oh come on, it deserves at least a 4.

That judas line *is* funnier though...
 
2013-03-30 06:55:39 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: What never existed can't be dead


"That is not dead which can eternal lie
Yet with strange aeons even death may die."

 
2013-03-30 06:56:24 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: 1) What never existed can't be dead


Yeah, but that is not dead which can eternal lie
 
2013-03-30 06:59:12 PM
As far as I can tell, men more readily reject religion. Without fathers embracing the church, religion will die out. A while back I read that 2/3 of children attend church as adults if their fathers regularly attended throughout their childhood. Maternal attendance doesn't seem to matter. Maintain the separation of church and state and the country will gradually become less religious as a whole. However, people don't want to "come out" as atheists because they don't want to look like assholes. Let the losers be the assholes.

/wish I could find that data
 
2013-03-30 07:03:03 PM
A real troll would be to find that God's Diner or whatever it was called comic strip that had Jesus drinking away his woes with the pagan goddess of easter talking about how cute the eggs and little bunnies are, make a thousand copies, place them in eggs with hersey kisses and place them all over an egg hunt.


At least I'd do that if I had help in placing the eggs and I had a copy of that comic strip.
 
2013-03-30 07:03:04 PM

had98c: That's skepticism, not faith.


Close, that's skepticism based on faith. Faith is still a component.

"Requiring evidence that something exists before believing in it is a form of faith?"

Strongly disbelieving something without proof most certainly is.
I am sure this will turn into another long song and dance and twisting of words but atheists have no more proof for what they disbelieve than what most believers do for what they do believe.
Besides, you can't prove a negative.
 
2013-03-30 07:05:35 PM

Kurmudgeon: I am sure this will turn into another long song and dance and twisting of words but atheists have no more proof for what they disbelieve than what most believers do for what they do believe.
Besides, you can't prove a negative.


You realize you just countered your own argument right?
 
2013-03-30 07:10:03 PM

Kurmudgeon: had98c: That's skepticism, not faith.

Close, that's skepticism based on faith. Faith is still a component.

"Requiring evidence that something exists before believing in it is a form of faith?"

Strongly disbelieving something without proof most certainly is.
I am sure this will turn into another long song and dance and twisting of words but atheists have no more proof for what they disbelieve than what most believers do for what they do believe.
Besides, you can't prove a negative.


No, it's just skepticism. You don't need any faith to not believe in something. It's the default position. It doesn't require proving a negative, because the burden of proof is on the person making the claim that something exists.
 
2013-03-30 07:10:45 PM

Kurmudgeon: had98c: That's skepticism, not faith.

Close, that's skepticism based on faith. Faith is still a component.

"Requiring evidence that something exists before believing in it is a form of faith?"

Strongly disbelieving something without proof most certainly is.
I am sure this will turn into another long song and dance and twisting of words but atheists have no more proof for what they disbelieve than what most believers do for what they do believe.
Besides, you can't prove a negative.




What god(s) should people believe in and why? Is your lack of belief in Apollo a matter of faith? Can you prove that Apollo does not exist? If you cannot, is that a compelling reason to believe that such a being exists?
 
2013-03-30 07:20:18 PM
I'm sure this was only aimed at those people who make judgmental ads and campaigns against non-believers.

Everyone else should just ignore it, like they do the judgmental ads and campaigns against non-believers.
 
2013-03-30 07:26:42 PM

Fart_Machine: common sense is an oxymoron: Atheism isn't a religion, but it is based on faith rather than irrefutable evidence.

Where is the irrefutable evidence of the existence of a god?



IMHO, there is none. Nor is there irrefutable evidence of the NONexistence of a god.
 
2013-03-30 07:29:14 PM
Ho ho ho, this fills me with humor to know when the wrong side of this argument is dead, none shall mourn their passing.
 
2013-03-30 07:33:45 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: Nor is there irrefutable evidence of the NONexistence of a god.


Except that they don't have to.  Hence the whole "you can't prove a negative".
 
2013-03-30 07:33:51 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: Fart_Machine: common sense is an oxymoron: Atheism isn't a religion, but it is based on faith rather than irrefutable evidence.

Where is the irrefutable evidence of the existence of a god?


IMHO, there is none. Nor is there irrefutable evidence of the NONexistence of a god.


Or the nonexistence of flying pink unicorns that fart rainbows and poop cheeseburgers.
 
2013-03-30 07:35:10 PM
"Don't be an asshole" makes a pretty good religious tenet. That's because it's so damn common-sense that it can be used inside of religion and outside. So, y'know, "don't be an asshole". Oy.

Also, quoting Nietzsche makes you look about as stable and open-minded as quoting Ayn Rand, IMO.
 
2013-03-30 07:37:30 PM

Repo Man: Kurmudgeon: Repo Man: An absence of belief is not based on faith.

A strong determination not to believe without evidence is.

Requiring evidence that something exists before believing in it is a form of faith?



When there is no evidence to support either side of the argument, any assertion on either side is ultimately based on faith.

It might help to try to define what it is that you don't believe in.
 
2013-03-30 07:39:08 PM

Fart_Machine: common sense is an oxymoron: Nor is there irrefutable evidence of the NONexistence of a god.

Except that they don't have to.  Hence the whole "you can't prove a negative".



If it can't be proven, then what is one's disbelief based on?
 
2013-03-30 07:39:09 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: any assertion on either side is ultimately based on faith.

It might help to try to define what it is that you don't believe in


I don't believe in things with no evidence. That doesn't require any faith whatsoever.
 
2013-03-30 07:39:45 PM

Lionel Mandrake: common sense is an oxymoron: Fart_Machine: common sense is an oxymoron: Atheism isn't a religion, but it is based on faith rather than irrefutable evidence.

Where is the irrefutable evidence of the existence of a god?


IMHO, there is none. Nor is there irrefutable evidence of the NONexistence of a god.

Or the nonexistence of flying pink unicorns that fart rainbows and poop cheeseburgers.




People who do not believe in flying pink unicorns that fart rainbows and poop cheeseburgers are just as bad as people who do! For some reason.

Astonishingly, this seems to be considered some sort of argument.
 
2013-03-30 07:41:13 PM

KrispyKritter: It's fun to mock peoples personal beliefs. Live and let live is for pussies.
/ morans


That's an idiotic idea.
 
2013-03-30 07:44:33 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: Repo Man: Kurmudgeon: Repo Man: An absence of belief is not based on faith.

A strong determination not to believe without evidence is.

Requiring evidence that something exists before believing in it is a form of faith?


When there is no evidence to support either side of the argument, any assertion on either side is ultimately based on faith.

It might help to try to define what it is that you don't believe in.


The only assertion that I'm making is that, if I do not find the evidence/arguments in favor of a proposition compelling, I'm not going to agree that the proposition in question is likely to be true. You know, extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence and all of that.
 
2013-03-30 07:44:41 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I don't believe in things with no evidence. That doesn't require any faith whatsoever.


You believe in the concepts of causality and evidence by faith.

You might be completely imaginary, and none of what you perceive exists. It takes faith to declare that the universe is real.
 
2013-03-30 07:48:45 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: cameroncrazy1984: I don't believe in things with no evidence. That doesn't require any faith whatsoever.

You believe in the concepts of causality and evidence by faith.

You might be completely imaginary, and none of what you perceive exists. It takes faith to declare that the universe is real.


Uh, no, you might be completely imaginary.  I'm farking real.
 
2013-03-30 07:50:13 PM

Lionel Mandrake: common sense is an oxymoron: Fart_Machine: common sense is an oxymoron: Atheism isn't a religion, but it is based on faith rather than irrefutable evidence.

Where is the irrefutable evidence of the existence of a god?


IMHO, there is none. Nor is there irrefutable evidence of the NONexistence of a god.

Or the nonexistence of flying pink unicorns that fart rainbows and poop cheeseburgers.



Flying unicorns of any color would be ruled out on aerodynamic grounds.

Rainbows are an optical phenomenon unrelated to flatulence.

As for the excretion of cheeseburgers...digestive systems DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!
 
2013-03-30 07:50:24 PM

AliceBToklasLives: Lenny_da_Hog: cameroncrazy1984: I don't believe in things with no evidence. That doesn't require any faith whatsoever.

You believe in the concepts of causality and evidence by faith.

You might be completely imaginary, and none of what you perceive exists. It takes faith to declare that the universe is real.

Uh, no, you might be completely imaginary.  I'm farking real.


Zealot.
 
2013-03-30 07:50:36 PM
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2013-03-30 07:57:53 PM

had98c: No, it's just skepticism. You don't need any faith to not believe in something. It's the default position.


You can't have skepticism until you have something to be skeptical of.
Also:
skep·tic /ˈskeptik/Noun
1.A person inclined to question or doubt all accepted opinions.
2.A person who doubts the truth of Christianity and other religions; an atheist or agnostic.

Note there is no mention of actual proof there, you can do it without proof.
If you have no proof, your assumption is a matter of faith, even if not an organized one.
 
2013-03-30 07:58:29 PM

Repo Man: common sense is an oxymoron: Repo Man: Kurmudgeon: Repo Man: An absence of belief is not based on faith.

A strong determination not to believe without evidence is.

Requiring evidence that something exists before believing in it is a form of faith?


When there is no evidence to support either side of the argument, any assertion on either side is ultimately based on faith.

It might help to try to define what it is that you don't believe in.

The only assertion that I'm making is that, if I do not find the evidence/arguments in favor of a proposition compelling, I'm not going to agree that the proposition in question is likely to be true. You know, extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence and all of that.



I agree, but stating that something is unlikely is not the same as claiming that it is impossible.

For the record, I don't believe that the existence of God(s) CAN be proven; and furthermore, given the fact that there seem to be about as many definitions of "god" as there are believers, I find it pointless to believe in one particular definition over any of the others.
 
2013-03-30 08:00:55 PM

Kurmudgeon: skep·tic /ˈskeptik/Noun
1.A person inclined to question or doubt all accepted opinions.
2.A person who doubts the truth of Christianity and other religions; an atheist or agnostic


I'm skeptical of this definition.
 
2013-03-30 08:01:28 PM
The McRib has come back like twenty times. Ball's in your court, Jesus.
~ Patton Oswalt
 
2013-03-30 08:04:25 PM

AliceBToklasLives: Kurmudgeon: skep·tic /ˈskeptik/Noun
1.A person inclined to question or doubt all accepted opinions.
2.A person who doubts the truth of Christianity and other religions; an atheist or agnostic

I'm skeptical of this definition.


I'm skeptical of either his intelligence or his honesty, depending on whether he's a troll or just stupid.
 
2013-03-30 08:06:47 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: Repo Man: common sense is an oxymoron: Repo Man: Kurmudgeon: Repo Man: An absence of belief is not based on faith.

A strong determination not to believe without evidence is.

Requiring evidence that something exists before believing in it is a form of faith?


When there is no evidence to support either side of the argument, any assertion on either side is ultimately based on faith.

It might help to try to define what it is that you don't believe in.

The only assertion that I'm making is that, if I do not find the evidence/arguments in favor of a proposition compelling, I'm not going to agree that the proposition in question is likely to be true. You know, extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence and all of that.


I agree, but stating that something is unlikely is not the same as claiming that it is impossible.

For the record, I don't believe that the existence of God(s) CAN be proven; and furthermore, given the fact that there seem to be about as many definitions of "god" as there are believers, I find it pointless to believe in one particular definition over any of the others.




So, who is claiming anything is impossible?
 
2013-03-30 08:07:08 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: whidbey: Giltric: My antiquated world view is "mind your own business" something that atheists nor the religious have a grasp of.

Oh I have a total grasp of it. But sometimes minding one's own business allows ignorance and injustices to continue unchallenged. See=any civil rights issue of the past 100 years.

But as a free thinking man of the times you do not see the irnoy of the atheists process to convert people to atheism or the attempted conversion? You sound very religiously atheist.

Free-thinkers don't try to push the fallacy that a system based on reason and knowledge is somehow a "religion." Troll harder, dude.


Atheism isn't a religion, but it is based on faith rather than irrefutable evidence.


Prove it.

No, seriously, I want you to prove that my unwillingness to support your bald assertion is a form of "faith."   Tell me, with a strait face, that my unwillingness to accept your claims requires as much "faith" as your willingness to propose them.

Theists say "there is a god."  We agree that this claim requires "faith."

Atheists say "Oh yeah?  Show me."

explain to me how the atheist is relying on "faith."
 
2013-03-30 08:19:14 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: Fart_Machine: common sense is an oxymoron: Nor is there irrefutable evidence of the NONexistence of a god.

Except that they don't have to.  Hence the whole "you can't prove a negative".


If it can't be proven, then what is one's disbelief based on?


Not sure if serious.  If it can't be proven then the logical thing is to remain skeptical.  Do you feel this way about people who don't believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny?
 
2013-03-30 08:23:09 PM
To determine if your atheism has any relation to faith, answer the question below.

Is there a god?
 
2013-03-30 08:24:53 PM
One thing I always enjoy about these threads is the special pleading. The Christian theists consider it insulting when you lump their god in with all of the others. Of course they don't believe in Zeus or Apollo, or Isis - those gods are just made up! it's like what Doug Stanhope said: "That's why they have to pump into your head when you're still little... ...and your brain grows around it like a clubfoot."
 
2013-03-30 08:26:36 PM
www.patentspostgrant.com

How am I the first one?
 
2013-03-30 08:27:55 PM

s2s2s2: To determine if your atheism has any relation to faith, answer the question below.

Is there a god?


There is no evidence that there is a god, no.
 
2013-03-30 08:30:06 PM

cameroncrazy1984: s2s2s2: To determine if your atheism has any relation to faith, answer the question below.

Is there a god?

There is no evidence that there is a god, no.


How can you be sure of that?
 
2013-03-30 08:32:23 PM

s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: s2s2s2: To determine if your atheism has any relation to faith, answer the question below.

Is there a god?

There is no evidence that there is a god, no.

How can you be sure of that?


Because there is no evidence that points to a god existing.
 
2013-03-30 08:34:33 PM

FloydA: explain to me how the atheist is relying on "faith."


Because your belief in such things as 'evidence' and 'facts' is is just as much a belief as theirs in God. Its the religious form of Both Sides Are Bad.
 
2013-03-30 08:35:39 PM
wow, I didn't think our local goons would respond so strongly to such an obvious troll move, but these guys are really frothing.

7/10, dallas.
 
2013-03-30 08:38:29 PM

cameroncrazy1984: s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: s2s2s2: To determine if your atheism has any relation to faith, answer the question below.

Is there a god?

There is no evidence that there is a god, no.

How can you be sure of that?

Because there is no evidence that points to a god existing.





So you have examined all evidence of any kind, any where, and determined, through your own research, that there exists no evidence pointing toward the existence of some extra terrestrial intelligence?

I bet you're just really confident in what you believe. If only there was a word for that.
 
2013-03-30 08:38:41 PM

winterbraid: wow, I didn't think our local goons would respond so strongly to such an obvious troll move, but these guys are really frothing.


Nothing says 'I have complete faith in God' than taking the bait into beating atheists over the head with bad logic.
 
2013-03-30 08:39:07 PM

s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: s2s2s2: To determine if your atheism has any relation to faith, answer the question below.

Is there a god?

There is no evidence that there is a god, no.

How can you be sure of that?


Because someone in this thread would have pointed it out.
 
2013-03-30 08:40:17 PM

s2s2s2: So you have examined all evidence of any kind, any where, and determined, through your own research, that there exists no evidence pointing toward the existence of some extra terrestrial intelligence?


Jesus was a space alien. Three men in black said don't report this.
 
2013-03-30 08:41:53 PM
Don't get me wrong. I know of no testable evidence for the existence of god, either.
 
2013-03-30 08:42:01 PM

s2s2s2: So you have examined all evidence of any kind, any where, and determined, through your own research, that there exists no evidence pointing toward the existence of some extra terrestrial intelligence?

I bet you're just really confident in what you believe. If only there was a word for that.


Both Sides Are Bad, So Vote Jesus.
 
2013-03-30 08:42:45 PM

BMFPitt: s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: s2s2s2: To determine if your atheism has any relation to faith, answer the question below.

Is there a god?

There is no evidence that there is a god, no.

How can you be sure of that?

Because someone in this thread would have pointed it out.


This.  If there was any evidence whatsoever for the existance of a deity, the 4 billion theists on this planet would be rubbing our noses in it constantly.
 
2013-03-30 08:44:02 PM

s2s2s2: I bet you're just really confident in what you believe. If only there was a word for that


The scientific method?
 
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