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(BBC)   Activists are hard at work protecting your freedom. By demanding strict government regulation of Google Glass. Uh, thanks I guess   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 125
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2013-03-30 12:09:33 PM
luddites
 
2013-03-30 12:30:19 PM
Folks, when you are out in public, you have no reasonable expectations to personal privacy. Somebody might be recording you on their cell phone and you wouldn't be able to do a damn thing about it (unless you're an ITG and want to pretend that you'd beat them up or break their camera), the google glass isn't going to be very different.  Only difference being that the people recording you will look like total jackasses now.
 
2013-03-30 12:31:39 PM
FTFA: "It's important for society and democracy that people can chat and live without fear that they might end up being published or prosecuted,"

So what you are really saying is that it is important for society to be able to act like utter assholes to each other or lie and cheat when needed, without the "danger" of being recorded doing this? You have not thought out your or objection on moral grounds...
 
2013-03-30 12:32:42 PM
So I take it they are up in arms about cell phone cameras as well? No? Well, then they can EABOD, a whole bag even.
 
2013-03-30 12:36:00 PM
Google glass is nothing to worry about.

You should hear what the new iToilet does....
 
2013-03-30 12:36:24 PM
I like that Google is trying to create a generation of Gargoyles straight from Snow Crash.
 
2013-03-30 12:39:10 PM
There is no reasonable expectation of privacy in a public space...alls yalls paranoias about breach of privacy is null and void when out in public.

There is nothing further to discuss on the matter
 
2013-03-30 12:40:01 PM
Given the fact that Google thinks I'm a middle-aged, conservative man, I'm having a hard time getting freaked out about this.
 
2013-03-30 12:40:56 PM
The reality is, even if they think they have a serious argument, this is way too little way too late. We've already had miniature cameras and microphones for decades, and we've had cameras that fit in your glasses for at least ten years. If you were seriously concerned about the possible erosion of privacy you should have been up in arms a couple dozen years ago.

You can make some kind of statement about how ubiquitous these things are becoming, but even this is tenuous. We've had substantial amounts of smartphones with high fidelity recording ability out there for five years now. The cats outta the bag guys, you're not gonna catch it.
 
2013-03-30 12:41:36 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Folks, when you are out in public, you have no reasonable expectations to personal privacy. Somebody might be recording you on their cell phone and you wouldn't be able to do a damn thing about it (unless you're an ITG and want to pretend that you'd beat them up or break their camera), the google glass isn't going to be very different.  Only difference being that the people recording you will look like total jackasses now.


images.seroundtable.com

Be honest. Do these glasses make me look like an a-hole?
 
2013-03-30 12:42:42 PM
You are not interesting enough for some stranger to record you. My public image is of great concern due to being an educator, but I resolve this by behaving myself in bars and pubs. I do not expect privacy when out in public, and the internet has taught me to behave as though word will get around.
 
2013-03-30 12:45:04 PM
Oh the douchebaggery.
 
2013-03-30 12:48:27 PM
Oh no, now I'll have no privacy when I'm out in public!
 
2013-03-30 12:48:49 PM

Vangor: You are not interesting enough for some stranger to record you. My public image is of great concern due to being an educator, but I resolve this by behaving myself in bars and pubs. I do not expect privacy when out in public, and the internet has taught me to behave as though word will get around.


A thousand times this.
 
2013-03-30 12:51:28 PM
Yeah; it's not like the government will ask google to keep copies of all the videos shot with those glasses or anything.

/ 1984 is not a how-to book
 
2013-03-30 12:58:58 PM

iheartscotch: Yeah; it's not like the government will ask google to keep copies of all the videos shot with those glasses or anything.

/ 1984 is not a how-to book


Wouldn't they do that now? It's just a different way of recording video, not some scary new technology.
 
2013-03-30 12:59:50 PM
Don't they live in a country with a bajillion cameras recording everything already?
 
2013-03-30 12:59:57 PM
Google are interested in your privacy, or your 'whatever it is you do that makes you paranoid', just in advertising stuff to you that they think you might buy, based on (up until now) whatever you look at online, and soon that'll be whatever you keep looking at while wearing these glasses.
So if you keep looking at the neighbor's daughter over the fence while she's sunbathing they won't be sending the thought police around, they'll just bombard you with ads for sex-addiction websites, or swimsuits, or cat food if the present ads are anything to go by.
But these will be in your face, literally.
 
2013-03-30 01:00:18 PM
It's extremely important to me that I am protected from both people who will be using Google Glass.

/no it's not
//nobody geeky enough to use Glass ever leaves their mother's basement
 
2013-03-30 01:00:45 PM

YoOjo: Google aren't interested in your privacy, or your 'whatever it is you do that makes you paranoid', just in advertising stuff to you that they think you might buy, based on (up until now) whatever you look at online, and soon that'll be whatever you keep looking at while wearing these glasses.
So if you keep looking at the neighbor's daughter over the fence while she's sunbathing they won't be sending the thought police around, they'll just bombard you with ads for sex-addiction websites, or swimsuits, or cat food if the present ads are anything to go by.
But these will be in your face, literally.


Derp.
 
2013-03-30 01:03:15 PM
The danger lies in the loss of anonymity, not privacy.

"You're walking down the street and pass some Glass-wearer who thinks you're cute. Or whatever. A mumbled voice command and that stranger knows your name, address, phone number, email address, and whatever else Google can reveal. The snapshot that enabled this search is trivial; and it's actually quite legal. Far more important is the loss of your anonymity: the ability to be unknown."
 
2013-03-30 01:06:08 PM

BarkingUnicorn: The danger lies in the loss of anonymity, not privacy.

"You're walking down the street and pass some Glass-wearer who thinks you're cute. Or whatever. A mumbled voice command and that stranger knows your name, address, phone number, email address, and whatever else Google can reveal. The snapshot that enabled this search is trivial; and it's actually quite legal. Far more important is the loss of your anonymity: the ability to be unknown."


....or you know you could just not list your contact info online.
 
2013-03-30 01:07:58 PM

SpdrJay: Google glass is nothing to worry about.

You should hear what the new iToilet does....


It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't charge so much for every download.
 
2013-03-30 01:08:47 PM
In all fairness you know that most people couldn't drive with those things on, so that aspect of it doesn't sound as crazy to me.  The rest is derpy.  I love the fact that the move to ban driving with Google Glasses will just push the market for Google Driverless Cars.

/google
 
2013-03-30 01:08:58 PM

genner: BarkingUnicorn: The danger lies in the loss of anonymity, not privacy.

"You're walking down the street and pass some Glass-wearer who thinks you're cute. Or whatever. A mumbled voice command and that stranger knows your name, address, phone number, email address, and whatever else Google can reveal. The snapshot that enabled this search is trivial; and it's actually quite legal. Far more important is the loss of your anonymity: the ability to be unknown."

....or you know you could just not list your contact info online.


I didn't.  Someone to whom I had to give it sold it to data brokers.
 
2013-03-30 01:09:33 PM
offmymeds:
i105.photobucket.com 
Be honest. Do these glasses make me look like an a-hole?

Nope, you can't blame the glasses.
 
2013-03-30 01:10:03 PM
The warning comes from a group called "Stop the Cyborgs" that wants limits put on when headsets can be used.


They obviously don't want to be assimilated.
 
2013-03-30 01:15:40 PM
Please tell me when we will get a little regulation of the government?
 
2013-03-30 01:18:19 PM

cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: Yeah; it's not like the government will ask google to keep copies of all the videos shot with those glasses or anything.

/ 1984 is not a how-to book

Wouldn't they do that now? It's just a different way of recording video, not some scary new technology.


I realize that; but, I'm saying if every third idiot has a pair; it would make surveillance that much easier.

They already require ISPs to keep a log of all the websites you visit; they already have phone providers keep a log of your texts. They can't get those records without a warrent or subpeona; as much protection as that is.

/ maybe I just don't like the idea of being constantly under surveillance
 
2013-03-30 01:21:57 PM

iheartscotch: cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: Yeah; it's not like the government will ask google to keep copies of all the videos shot with those glasses or anything.

/ 1984 is not a how-to book

Wouldn't they do that now? It's just a different way of recording video, not some scary new technology.

I realize that; but, I'm saying if every third idiot has a pair; it would make surveillance that much easier.

They already require ISPs to keep a log of all the websites you visit; they already have phone providers keep a log of your texts. They can't get those records without a warrent or subpeona; as much protection as that is.

/ maybe I just don't like the idea of being constantly under surveillance


Tor
 
2013-03-30 01:22:50 PM

skinink: I like that Google is trying to create a generation of Gargoyles straight from Snow Crash.


Like ! = despise

I want to have a resonable expectation that vast chunks of my life stay away from being corporate fodder.

Why yes I use advert blockers, duckduckgo, and fairly good personal security.

Google turned to the dark side awhile ago.
 
2013-03-30 01:23:14 PM

BarkingUnicorn: genner: BarkingUnicorn: The danger lies in the loss of anonymity, not privacy.

"You're walking down the street and pass some Glass-wearer who thinks you're cute. Or whatever. A mumbled voice command and that stranger knows your name, address, phone number, email address, and whatever else Google can reveal. The snapshot that enabled this search is trivial; and it's actually quite legal. Far more important is the loss of your anonymity: the ability to be unknown."

....or you know you could just not list your contact info online.

I didn't.  Someone to whom I had to give it sold it to data brokers.


Had to?  As in they were going to arrest you if you failed to do so?  I have my doubts.  I'm guessing by "had to" you mean it was A) easier, B) faster c) the only way you could get something you wanted, even though you knew they would like sell your info.
 
2013-03-30 01:31:40 PM

snocone: Please tell me when we will get a little regulation of the government?


The first Tuesday of November in even numbered years.

HTH
 
2013-03-30 01:32:05 PM
I have a GoPro camera on my helmet running most times that I'm riding.  Nobody seems to mind, with the exception of the nice gentlemen on the street corners of Compton. They aren't that into it.
 
2013-03-30 01:32:31 PM

Kahabut: BarkingUnicorn: genner: BarkingUnicorn: The danger lies in the loss of anonymity, not privacy.

"You're walking down the street and pass some Glass-wearer who thinks you're cute. Or whatever. A mumbled voice command and that stranger knows your name, address, phone number, email address, and whatever else Google can reveal. The snapshot that enabled this search is trivial; and it's actually quite legal. Far more important is the loss of your anonymity: the ability to be unknown."

....or you know you could just not list your contact info online.

I didn't.  Someone to whom I had to give it sold it to data brokers.

Had to?  As in they were going to arrest you if you failed to do so?  I have my doubts.  I'm guessing by "had to" you mean it was A) easier, B) faster c) the only way you could get something you wanted, even though you knew they would like sell your info.


They're also legally required to give you an opt out, assuming your in the US.
 
2013-03-30 01:33:32 PM
I'll wait for the second generation when they can build it all into the lenses.

I'm actually excited about them if they can help with construction projects and things like that.  Imagine a setup where you look at a piece of wood and the glasses HUD projects the lines you want to cut along.  I could see designing my bookshelves with some CAD software and then going down out to the barn and telling my glasses "List the pieces I need to cut, okay I want to cut piece X first, now project the lines I cut along onto the piece of wood I'm holding".  So much boring measure twice cut one would be saved if the glasses could do it well.

/also if it can handle leveling stuff for me and laying out flower beds/walkways that would be awesome
//"Glasses I want a semicircular bed with a diameter of 10 feet, centered on the orange stake I just pounded into the ground."
 
2013-03-30 01:40:30 PM
We've become a nation of nancy-assed voyeurs and schadenfreude monkeys, spewing fishwife gossip over the back fence and peering in every window we can find to see if somebody farts, puts their finger in their nose or falls down, because "L0ol!1!"  At the end of the day, most of this uber 1337 data tech is a nosy old b*tch peeping through her blinds.  And don't bother telling me what it   could be used for, because it isn't and we don't.
 
2013-03-30 01:45:59 PM

iheartscotch: cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: Yeah; it's not like the government will ask google to keep copies of all the videos shot with those glasses or anything.

/ 1984 is not a how-to book

Wouldn't they do that now? It's just a different way of recording video, not some scary new technology.

I realize that; but, I'm saying if every third idiot has a pair; it would make surveillance that much easier.

They already require ISPs to keep a log of all the websites you visit; they already have phone providers keep a log of your texts. They can't get those records without a warrent or subpeona; as much protection as that is.

/ maybe I just don't like the idea of being constantly under surveillance


Maybe I'm paranoid, but I'm pretty sure that privacy is a long gone ideal... Everything you do it already tracked, recorded, written down, filed, saved, downlaoded.... Anyone who wants to know anything can.find out, with a couple dollars and an email adress.
 
2013-03-30 01:46:02 PM

Kahabut: BarkingUnicorn: genner: BarkingUnicorn: The danger lies in the loss of anonymity, not privacy.

"You're walking down the street and pass some Glass-wearer who thinks you're cute. Or whatever. A mumbled voice command and that stranger knows your name, address, phone number, email address, and whatever else Google can reveal. The snapshot that enabled this search is trivial; and it's actually quite legal. Far more important is the loss of your anonymity: the ability to be unknown."

....or you know you could just not list your contact info online.

I didn't.  Someone to whom I had to give it sold it to data brokers.

Had to?  As in they were going to arrest you if you failed to do so?  I have my doubts.  I'm guessing by "had to" you mean it was A) easier, B) faster c) the only way you could get something you wanted, even though you knew they would like sell your info.


The answer is always C.  I really don't want to spend a lot of effort protecting my anonymity; just restrict breaches of it, please.
 
2013-03-30 01:47:03 PM

skinink: I like that Google is trying to create a generation of Gargoyles straight from Snow Crash.


Came for this.
 
2013-03-30 01:51:26 PM

offmymeds: The My Little Pony Killer: Folks, when you are out in public, you have no reasonable expectations to personal privacy. Somebody might be recording you on their cell phone and you wouldn't be able to do a damn thing about it (unless you're an ITG and want to pretend that you'd beat them up or break their camera), the google glass isn't going to be very different.  Only difference being that the people recording you will look like total jackasses now.

[images.seroundtable.com image 574x449]

Be honest. Do these glasses make me look like an a-hole?


We all know that if they got the first version to be that small that in a few years it will be invisible to a casual passerby.
 
2013-03-30 01:52:17 PM
These "activists" are really a false-flag operation by the government. The thought of their agents actions being recorded and publicized scares the crap out of them,
 
2013-03-30 02:03:45 PM

genner: Kahabut: BarkingUnicorn: genner: BarkingUnicorn: The danger lies in the loss of anonymity, not privacy.

"You're walking down the street and pass some Glass-wearer who thinks you're cute. Or whatever. A mumbled voice command and that stranger knows your name, address, phone number, email address, and whatever else Google can reveal. The snapshot that enabled this search is trivial; and it's actually quite legal. Far more important is the loss of your anonymity: the ability to be unknown."

....or you know you could just not list your contact info online.

I didn't.  Someone to whom I had to give it sold it to data brokers.

Had to?  As in they were going to arrest you if you failed to do so?  I have my doubts.  I'm guessing by "had to" you mean it was A) easier, B) faster c) the only way you could get something you wanted, even though you knew they would like sell your info.

They're also legally required to give you an opt out, assuming your in the US.


"Opt out" does not prevent my phone carrier from sharing my info with its subsidiaries or affiliates who it deems necessary to provide the service I have purchased and other services which it thinks I might want.  So there's a lot of leakage.  If my info ends up in the public domain it may be prohibitively difficult to determine how it got there.  So "opt out" provisions are false security.
 
2013-03-30 02:05:45 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-30 02:06:44 PM
A few years ago before smartphones were in everyone's hands, before Facebook was available outside a handful of Northeastern universities, and before everyone was posting every single photo online, I was having dinner with some friends. We all lived apart and hadn't seen in each other in awhile and someone decided to snap a picture of the group. We were at a restaurant seated next to a window and a guy happened to be walking by outside when the flash went off. He freaked out, ran into the restaurant, and demanded the photo be erased because we did not have permission to take his picture.

He made a scene and had he continued I'm sure the police would have been called shortly. If he didn't want his photo taken because he was avoiding attention, he was certainly doing it wrong. I'm not sure what he was afraid of or if he believed that he was being targeted for the photograph, but I've seen similar, though smaller, reactions from people in public when they unwittingly were part of the scene in a photo.
 
2013-03-30 02:10:23 PM

louiedog: A few years ago before smartphones were in everyone's hands, before Facebook was available outside a handful of Northeastern universities, and before everyone was posting every single photo online, I was having dinner with some friends. We all lived apart and hadn't seen in each other in awhile and someone decided to snap a picture of the group. We were at a restaurant seated next to a window and a guy happened to be walking by outside when the flash went off. He freaked out, ran into the restaurant, and demanded the photo be erased because we did not have permission to take his picture.

He made a scene and had he continued I'm sure the police would have been called shortly. If he didn't want his photo taken because he was avoiding attention, he was certainly doing it wrong. I'm not sure what he was afraid of or if he believed that he was being targeted for the photograph, but I've seen similar, though smaller, reactions from people in public when they unwittingly were part of the scene in a photo.


Eddie Murphy in "Delerium," circa 1970s  "If I want my muthafarkin' picture taken I'll steal a car, muthafarker!"
 
2013-03-30 02:13:36 PM
I like how the argument is, 'It's OK because there are already cameras everywhere.'

As if turning a lit matchstick into nuclear holocaust is OK because fire already exists.

'Fire is hot, dude. Didn't you know that? What's the big deal?'
 
2013-03-30 02:13:49 PM

earthworm2.0: iheartscotch: cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: Yeah; it's not like the government will ask google to keep copies of all the videos shot with those glasses or anything.

/ 1984 is not a how-to book

Wouldn't they do that now? It's just a different way of recording video, not some scary new technology.

I realize that; but, I'm saying if every third idiot has a pair; it would make surveillance that much easier.

They already require ISPs to keep a log of all the websites you visit; they already have phone providers keep a log of your texts. They can't get those records without a warrent or subpeona; as much protection as that is.

/ maybe I just don't like the idea of being constantly under surveillance

Maybe I'm paranoid, but I'm pretty sure that privacy is a long gone ideal... Everything you do it already tracked, recorded, written down, filed, saved, downlaoded.... Anyone who wants to know anything can.find out, with a couple dollars and an email adress.


It's only paranoia if you're wrong.
 
2013-03-30 02:17:53 PM
The question is not whether one has a right to expect anonymity.  The question is what consequences the loss of that expectation may have.  From the article I linked above:  " If you cannot trust that passersby are not going to photograph, record or "dox" you, then it makes sense to avoid them. We could become a world of hermits."

I needn't be doing anything untoward to be doxxed by a stranger.  It's a sport these days.  It should not be made any easier.
 
2013-03-30 02:40:16 PM

SN1987a goes boom: So I take it they are up in arms about cell phone cameras as well? No? Well, then they can EABOD, a whole bag even.


Do you walk around with your cell phone out, pointing it at everything you look at 100% of the time? If you do then yes, Ima break your shiat. Doesn't matter if you are recording or not.

Put that shiat down and away.

Now.

You look stupid waving that thing around all the time. Put it in your pocket. You're not even recording anything.
 
2013-03-30 02:46:45 PM
I can't decide: Should I wear Google Glass while riding my Segway, or should I wear Google Glass while riding my recumbent bicycle? I need to pick a mode of nerd transportation in time to go to the "Firefly" con!
 
2013-03-30 02:48:49 PM

fisker: SN1987a goes boom: So I take it they are up in arms about cell phone cameras as well? No? Well, then they can EABOD, a whole bag even.

Do you walk around with your cell phone out, pointing it at everything you look at 100% of the time? If you do then yes, Ima break your shiat. Doesn't matter if you are recording or not.

Put that shiat down and away.

Now.

You look stupid waving that thing around all the time. Put it in your pocket. You're not even recording anything.


I keep hearing that tough guy thing all the time when people talk about google glass.  It's weird that no tough guy has tried to get all bad ass with me about my helmet cam.  I guess it's easier on the internet.

You are going to have a real hard time in the coming future, I feel kind of sorry for you.  I guess you are moving to some remote farm soon?
 
2013-03-30 02:51:32 PM

offmymeds:

images.seroundtable.com

Be honest. Do these glasses make me look like an a-hole?


No, you already look like one.

.


Sery! I didn't know you were on Fark!
 
2013-03-30 02:52:20 PM

Endive Wombat: There is nothing further to discuss on the matter


Well, except that people may use them in private or semi-private spaces too.  There are places like locker rooms where we have specifically said that you aren't allowed to take pictures of other people without their permission.  In most private settings it's likely the people involved are all in the same conversation- Federal interstate law, and some state laws allow recording as long as you are a participant in the conversation, but not all state laws do.  There are also limits, even with photographing people in public, that apply.  I remember from journalism class, for instance, if you take a picture of a couple sitting at a fountain kissing, you can run the picture with a headline like 'Spring Time Love'.  If you use it with the caption 'AIDS Epidemic' you can get in trouble if you don't get their permission.  And again, that varies a bit from state to state.

The question is, do we fight the invasion of privacy, or just assume so many guys will be dropping dollar bills on the street to get girls to bend over that in the flood of butt pictures any one particular butt picture doesn't represent a big invasion of privacy?

Aside- are there going to be prescription Google glasses?
 
2013-03-30 02:52:27 PM

Karne: I keep hearing that tough guy thing all the time when people talk about google glass. It's weird that no tough guy has tried to get all bad ass with me about my helmet cam. I guess it's easier on the internet.

You are going to have a real hard time in the coming future, I feel kind of sorry for you. I guess you are moving to some remote farm soon?


No. I'm going to go buy a helmet cam.
 
2013-03-30 02:53:09 PM
Just wait until Apple improves on Google's design.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-30 02:54:38 PM

genner: ....or you know you could just not list your contact info online.


That makes not a fark bit of difference. Google Spokeo.
 
2013-03-30 02:55:51 PM

fisker: Karne: I keep hearing that tough guy thing all the time when people talk about google glass. It's weird that no tough guy has tried to get all bad ass with me about my helmet cam. I guess it's easier on the internet.

You are going to have a real hard time in the coming future, I feel kind of sorry for you. I guess you are moving to some remote farm soon?

No. I'm going to go buy a helmet cam.


Seriously though, in the larger scheme of things - who is the bigger douche - someone who is wearing a camera or a prick who would assault someone over it?  What if I wanted to smash your face for being ugly?
 
2013-03-30 02:57:03 PM
I wasn't going to shell out the $$ to get a pair of google glass, but if it'll really scare that many activists, I just might have to eat it.
 
2013-03-30 02:57:39 PM
Some time ago I Googled my own (real) name.  One of the places I found it was on yellowpages.com, complete with middle initial and Jr. suffix -- in a county where I have never lived.  My grandparents had lived in that county, and Dad (same name, minus Jr.) had stayed with them in their last years.  They got the location wrong by a mile or two.

Think about that when contemplating "doxing."  How accurate is that contact information?  Some dude does something crazy in public, somebody else doxes him -- with your name and address or mine.
 
2013-03-30 02:58:26 PM

Karne: fisker: Karne: I keep hearing that tough guy thing all the time when people talk about google glass. It's weird that no tough guy has tried to get all bad ass with me about my helmet cam. I guess it's easier on the internet.

You are going to have a real hard time in the coming future, I feel kind of sorry for you. I guess you are moving to some remote farm soon?

No. I'm going to go buy a helmet cam.

Seriously though, in the larger scheme of things - who is the bigger douche - someone who is wearing a camera or a prick who would assault someone over it?  What if I wanted to smash your face for being ugly?


What if I wanted to team up with you and my new helmet cam, go for a nice bicycle ride and all you wanted to do was smash my face because you think I am ugly?
 
2013-03-30 02:59:55 PM

FloydA: SpdrJay: Google glass is nothing to worry about.

You should hear what the new iToilet does....

It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't charge so much for every download.


Hahahahahahahahah!

I literally lol'd.
 
2013-03-30 03:00:21 PM

iheartscotch: Yeah; it's not like the government will ask google to keep copies of all the videos shot with those glasses or anything.

/ 1984 is not a how-to book


The flip side of this is a hundred million Little Brothers recording what the government does 24/7. Government and companies can barely get away with being rude to someone now without causing online outrage these days. An oppressive government really fears people being able to easily document what they are doing and spread it to the world.

Also, it is harder to frame someone for a crime when you have cell phones, Google Glass, and Facebook check ins generating alibis for your whereabouts. Just like all of those Russians fighting dirty cops and scam artists with dash cams, you can argue that these types of things protect you more often than they hurt you.
 
2013-03-30 03:01:37 PM

fisker: Karne: fisker: Karne: I keep hearing that tough guy thing all the time when people talk about google glass. It's weird that no tough guy has tried to get all bad ass with me about my helmet cam. I guess it's easier on the internet.

You are going to have a real hard time in the coming future, I feel kind of sorry for you. I guess you are moving to some remote farm soon?

No. I'm going to go buy a helmet cam.

Seriously though, in the larger scheme of things - who is the bigger douche - someone who is wearing a camera or a prick who would assault someone over it?  What if I wanted to smash your face for being ugly?

What if I wanted to team up with you and my new helmet cam, go for a nice bicycle ride and all you wanted to do was smash my face because you think I am ugly?


What if after I smashed your face and recorded it with my helmet cam I uploaded it to youtube and strangers started laughed at you while you were walking down the street....wait a minute, this is why you don't want to be recorded, right?
 
2013-03-30 03:07:31 PM

Karne: fisker: Karne: fisker: Karne: I keep hearing that tough guy thing all the time when people talk about google glass. It's weird that no tough guy has tried to get all bad ass with me about my helmet cam. I guess it's easier on the internet.

You are going to have a real hard time in the coming future, I feel kind of sorry for you. I guess you are moving to some remote farm soon?

No. I'm going to go buy a helmet cam.

Seriously though, in the larger scheme of things - who is the bigger douche - someone who is wearing a camera or a prick who would assault someone over it?  What if I wanted to smash your face for being ugly?

What if I wanted to team up with you and my new helmet cam, go for a nice bicycle ride and all you wanted to do was smash my face because you think I am ugly?

What if after I smashed your face and recorded it with my helmet cam I uploaded it to youtube and strangers started laughed at you while you were walking down the street....wait a minute, this is why you don't want to be recorded, right?


Wrong. I didn't say that I didn't want to be recorded. I said I wanted to buy a helmet cam and go on a bicycle ride with you.

I don't know what you are talking about.
 
2013-03-30 03:12:59 PM

fisker: Karne: fisker: Karne: fisker: Karne: I keep hearing that tough guy thing all the time when people talk about google glass. It's weird that no tough guy has tried to get all bad ass with me about my helmet cam. I guess it's easier on the internet.

You are going to have a real hard time in the coming future, I feel kind of sorry for you. I guess you are moving to some remote farm soon?

No. I'm going to go buy a helmet cam.

Seriously though, in the larger scheme of things - who is the bigger douche - someone who is wearing a camera or a prick who would assault someone over it?  What if I wanted to smash your face for being ugly?

What if I wanted to team up with you and my new helmet cam, go for a nice bicycle ride and all you wanted to do was smash my face because you think I am ugly?

What if after I smashed your face and recorded it with my helmet cam I uploaded it to youtube and strangers started laughed at you while you were walking down the street....wait a minute, this is why you don't want to be recorded, right?

Wrong. I didn't say that I didn't want to be recorded. I said I wanted to buy a helmet cam and go on a bicycle ride with you.

I don't know what you are talking about.


I haven't ridden a bicycle in years, but you can ride biatch with me on my moto if you want.  I will point my helmet cam backwards to film your joy (sorry, will still upload that crap to youtube).
 
2013-03-30 03:17:04 PM

Karne: fisker: Karne: fisker: Karne: fisker: Karne: I keep hearing that tough guy thing all the time when people talk about google glass. It's weird that no tough guy has tried to get all bad ass with me about my helmet cam. I guess it's easier on the internet.

You are going to have a real hard time in the coming future, I feel kind of sorry for you. I guess you are moving to some remote farm soon?

No. I'm going to go buy a helmet cam.

Seriously though, in the larger scheme of things - who is the bigger douche - someone who is wearing a camera or a prick who would assault someone over it?  What if I wanted to smash your face for being ugly?

What if I wanted to team up with you and my new helmet cam, go for a nice bicycle ride and all you wanted to do was smash my face because you think I am ugly?

What if after I smashed your face and recorded it with my helmet cam I uploaded it to youtube and strangers started laughed at you while you were walking down the street....wait a minute, this is why you don't want to be recorded, right?

Wrong. I didn't say that I didn't want to be recorded. I said I wanted to buy a helmet cam and go on a bicycle ride with you.

I don't know what you are talking about.

I haven't ridden a bicycle in years, but you can ride biatch with me on my moto if you want.  I will point my helmet cam backwards to film your joy (sorry, will still upload that crap to youtube).


This is us:

www.toy-store.org.uk The helmet cam duo.

Recording all the things.
 
2013-03-30 03:18:47 PM

Mad_Radhu: iheartscotch: Yeah; it's not like the government will ask google to keep copies of all the videos shot with those glasses or anything.

/ 1984 is not a how-to book

The flip side of this is a hundred million Little Brothers recording what the government does 24/7. Government and companies can barely get away with being rude to someone now without causing online outrage these days. An oppressive government really fears people being able to easily document what they are doing and spread it to the world.

Also, it is harder to frame someone for a crime when you have cell phones, Google Glass, and Facebook check ins generating alibis for your whereabouts. Just like all of those Russians fighting dirty cops and scam artists with dash cams, you can argue that these types of things protect you more often than they hurt you.


Agreed.  What needs regulation is the use to which data is put, not its collection.

I am not harmed by someone fapping privately to a pic of my public nose-picking.  I am harmed if he enables the whole Internet to order cases of Kleenex shipped to my home.  I am not harmed by his storage of my pic on Google Drive.  I am harmed by government's use of it to prosecute me for public nose-picking.
 
2013-03-30 03:22:44 PM

fisker: Karne: fisker: Karne: fisker: Karne: fisker: Karne: I keep hearing that tough guy thing all the time when people talk about google glass. It's weird that no tough guy has tried to get all bad ass with me about my helmet cam. I guess it's easier on the internet.

You are going to have a real hard time in the coming future, I feel kind of sorry for you. I guess you are moving to some remote farm soon?

No. I'm going to go buy a helmet cam.

Seriously though, in the larger scheme of things - who is the bigger douche - someone who is wearing a camera or a prick who would assault someone over it?  What if I wanted to smash your face for being ugly?

What if I wanted to team up with you and my new helmet cam, go for a nice bicycle ride and all you wanted to do was smash my face because you think I am ugly?

What if after I smashed your face and recorded it with my helmet cam I uploaded it to youtube and strangers started laughed at you while you were walking down the street....wait a minute, this is why you don't want to be recorded, right?

Wrong. I didn't say that I didn't want to be recorded. I said I wanted to buy a helmet cam and go on a bicycle ride with you.

I don't know what you are talking about.

I haven't ridden a bicycle in years, but you can ride biatch with me on my moto if you want.  I will point my helmet cam backwards to film your joy (sorry, will still upload that crap to youtube).

This is us:

[www.toy-store.org.uk image 799x799] The helmet cam duo.

Recording all the things.


We make a cute couple.  And if we didn't record it how would anyone know just how cute we were?
 
2013-03-30 03:24:45 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Mad_Radhu: iheartscotch: Yeah; it's not like the government will ask google to keep copies of all the videos shot with those glasses or anything.

/ 1984 is not a how-to book

The flip side of this is a hundred million Little Brothers recording what the government does 24/7. Government and companies can barely get away with being rude to someone now without causing online outrage these days. An oppressive government really fears people being able to easily document what they are doing and spread it to the world.

Also, it is harder to frame someone for a crime when you have cell phones, Google Glass, and Facebook check ins generating alibis for your whereabouts. Just like all of those Russians fighting dirty cops and scam artists with dash cams, you can argue that these types of things protect you more often than they hurt you.

Agreed.  What needs regulation is the use to which data is put, not its collection.

I am not harmed by someone fapping privately to a pic of my public nose-picking.  I am harmed if he enables the whole Internet to order cases of Kleenex shipped to my home.  I am not harmed by his storage of my pic on Google Drive.  I am harmed by government's use of it to prosecute me for public nose-picking.


Well, if you could keep your finger out of your nose, they wouldn't be after you, would they?

If your nose has nothing to hide, what's the problem?
 
2013-03-30 03:38:22 PM

pxlboy: I am not harmed by someone fapping privately to a pic of my public nose-picking. I am harmed if he enables the whole Internet to order cases of Kleenex shipped to my home. I am not harmed by his storage of my pic on Google Drive. I am harmed by government's use of it to prosecute me for public nose-picking.

Well, if you could keep your finger out of your nose, they wouldn't be after you, would they?

If your nose has nothing to hide, what's the problem?


I pick my nose so it has nothing to hide. :-)
 
2013-03-30 03:43:53 PM

generallyso: genner: ....or you know you could just not list your contact info online.

That makes not a fark bit of difference. Google Spokeo.


Just did and found 20 people none of whom are me.
 
2013-03-30 03:44:03 PM

BarkingUnicorn: pxlboy: I am not harmed by someone fapping privately to a pic of my public nose-picking. I am harmed if he enables the whole Internet to order cases of Kleenex shipped to my home. I am not harmed by his storage of my pic on Google Drive. I am harmed by government's use of it to prosecute me for public nose-picking.

Well, if you could keep your finger out of your nose, they wouldn't be after you, would they?

If your nose has nothing to hide, what's the problem?

I pick my nose so it has nothing to hide. :-)


Hehehe
 
2013-03-30 03:47:31 PM
But do they add 10% to my headshot damage?
 
2013-03-30 04:00:09 PM

genner: generallyso: genner: ....or you know you could just not list your contact info online.

That makes not a fark bit of difference. Google Spokeo.

Just did and found 20 people none of whom are me.


Spokeo has all of my past residences for 30 years ending in 2009.  I didn't put any of that info online, and much of it became obsolete before "online" became a thing that any joker could use.
 
2013-03-30 04:04:09 PM

BarkingUnicorn: genner: generallyso: genner: ....or you know you could just not list your contact info online.

That makes not a fark bit of difference. Google Spokeo.

Just did and found 20 people none of whom are me.

Spokeo has all of my past residences for 30 years ending in 2009.  I didn't put any of that info online, and much of it became obsolete before "online" became a thing that any joker could use.


If your old lots of publicly available paper has your name on it. Getting yourself erased digitally is a lot easier. Spokeo has a nice big opt out button on it for instance.
 
2013-03-30 04:15:09 PM

genner: BarkingUnicorn: genner: generallyso: genner: ....or you know you could just not list your contact info online.

That makes not a fark bit of difference. Google Spokeo.

Just did and found 20 people none of whom are me.

Spokeo has all of my past residences for 30 years ending in 2009.  I didn't put any of that info online, and much of it became obsolete before "online" became a thing that any joker could use.

If your old lots of publicly available paper has your name on it. Getting yourself erased digitally is a lot easier. Spokeo has a nice big opt out button on it for instance.


My name was in the papers once, in 2001.  My address was not included.

It is not incumbent upon me to police every site that may want to publish my info.  I have other things to do. I was born with no name, so anonymity is my natural right.  Infringe upon it at your peril.
 
2013-03-30 04:26:12 PM

BarkingUnicorn: genner: BarkingUnicorn: genner: generallyso: genner: ....or you know you could just not list your contact info online.

That makes not a fark bit of difference. Google Spokeo.

Just did and found 20 people none of whom are me.

Spokeo has all of my past residences for 30 years ending in 2009.  I didn't put any of that info online, and much of it became obsolete before "online" became a thing that any joker could use.

If your old lots of publicly available paper has your name on it. Getting yourself erased digitally is a lot easier. Spokeo has a nice big opt out button on it for instance.

My name was in the papers once, in 2001.  My address was not included.

It is not incumbent upon me to police every site that may want to publish my info.  I have other things to do. I was born with no name, so anonymity is my natural right.  Infringe upon it at your peril.


You signed away your right when you checked the wrong box when you got a landline phone or bought a house.
Carelessness will always be exploited.
All this info has been publicly available  for decades. Technology is just making people aware of the fact.
Back in the day they had these things called phone books that could be used to lookup address and phone number info and this other thing called a hall of records where all this other info could be found.
 
2013-03-30 04:36:30 PM

2wolves: skinink: I like that Google is trying to create a generation of Gargoyles straight from Snow Crash.

Like ! = despise

I want to have a resonable expectation that vast chunks of my life stay away from being corporate fodder.

Why yes I use advert blockers, duckduckgo, and fairly good personal security.

Google turned to the dark side awhile ago.


"The dark side" in this case being offering you free services in exchange for serving you ads, while using your search history to at least try to make the ads somewhat relevant to you?

God forbid! How dare they?!?

Also, duckduckgo has a terrible search algo that returns crappy results.
 
2013-03-30 04:52:57 PM

genner: BarkingUnicorn: genner: BarkingUnicorn: genner: generallyso: genner: ....or you know you could just not list your contact info online.

That makes not a fark bit of difference. Google Spokeo.

Just did and found 20 people none of whom are me.

Spokeo has all of my past residences for 30 years ending in 2009.  I didn't put any of that info online, and much of it became obsolete before "online" became a thing that any joker could use.

If your old lots of publicly available paper has your name on it. Getting yourself erased digitally is a lot easier. Spokeo has a nice big opt out button on it for instance.

My name was in the papers once, in 2001.  My address was not included.

It is not incumbent upon me to police every site that may want to publish my info.  I have other things to do. I was born with no name, so anonymity is my natural right.  Infringe upon it at your peril.

You signed away your right when you checked the wrong box when you got a landline phone or bought a house.
Carelessness will always be exploited.
All this info has been publicly available  for decades. Technology is just making people aware of the fact.
Back in the day they had these things called phone books that could be used to lookup address and phone number info and this other thing called a hall of records where all this other info could be found.


All of those legal conventions can be changed to restore my natural right to anonymity.  Society benefits from my ability to act anonymously in many ways economic, social, and political.

Technology has vastly increased the ease with which harm can be done and the magnitude of the harm that is actually done.  It's high time to rein in both.
 
2013-03-30 05:02:19 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Folks, when you are out in public, you have no reasonable expectations to personal privacy. Somebody might be recording you on their cell phone and you wouldn't be able to do a damn thing about it (unless you're an ITG and want to pretend that you'd beat them up or break their camera), the google glass isn't going to be very different.  Only difference being that the people recording you will look like total jackasses now.


Why don't we have an expectation of privacy?  There's a difference, I think we could agree, between these two cases:  First, someone taking a photo of their friend on the beach, and innocently catching bystanders in the background - the photo is posted to facebook.  Second, someone with a high-power telephoto camera taking pictures of women sunning on the beach - the photos are posted to a sexual website.

We so often talk about intent when it comes to criminal matters.  The intent in the first case is to take a photo of your friend.  The intent in the second is to sexualize, without consent, a stranger.  Our current system of 'zero expectations of privacy when in public' ignores the consent of the women being harassed by photographers.  Wouldn't you agree that there is a malicious intent towards the second case?
 
2013-03-30 05:05:39 PM

Bored Horde: The My Little Pony Killer: Folks, when you are out in public, you have no reasonable expectations to personal privacy. Somebody might be recording you on their cell phone and you wouldn't be able to do a damn thing about it (unless you're an ITG and want to pretend that you'd beat them up or break their camera), the google glass isn't going to be very different.  Only difference being that the people recording you will look like total jackasses now.

Why don't we have an expectation of privacy?  There's a difference, I think we could agree, between these two cases:  First, someone taking a photo of their friend on the beach, and innocently catching bystanders in the background - the photo is posted to facebook.  Second, someone with a high-power telephoto camera taking pictures of women sunning on the beach - the photos are posted to a sexual website.

We so often talk about intent when it comes to criminal matters.  The intent in the first case is to take a photo of your friend.  The intent in the second is to sexualize, without consent, a stranger.  Our current system of 'zero expectations of privacy when in public' ignores the consent of the women being harassed by photographers.  Wouldn't you agree that there is a malicious intent towards the second case?


So your solution to feeling skeezy about something is to institute a set of laws based on the idea out thought crime? Great plan!
 
2013-03-30 05:18:39 PM

Lusiphur: 2wolves: skinink: I like that Google is trying to create a generation of Gargoyles straight from Snow Crash.

Like ! = despise

I want to have a resonable expectation that vast chunks of my life stay away from being corporate fodder.

Why yes I use advert blockers, duckduckgo, and fairly good personal security.

Google turned to the dark side awhile ago.

"The dark side" in this case being offering you free services in exchange for serving you ads, while using your search history to at least try to make the ads somewhat relevant to you?

God forbid! How dare they?!?

Also, duckduckgo has a terrible search algo that returns crappy results.


1. I'll somehow survive not being in someone's sales demographic.

2. Yet I get the information I need by investing perhaps an extra minute. I'm ok with that.

Also why I pay for almost everything with cash, will not use my actual name or address on any shopping discount cards, etc.
 
2013-03-30 05:27:20 PM
I just got notified that I'll be getting to test this, so I'm getting a kick, etc...
 
2013-03-30 05:29:49 PM

whistleridge: I just got notified that I'll be getting to test this, so I'm getting a kick, etc...


Cool.

I'm curious to see if it can withstand the force of a baseball bat.
 
2013-03-30 05:32:31 PM

Master Batorium: whistleridge: I just got notified that I'll be getting to test this, so I'm getting a kick, etc...

Cool.

I'm curious to see if it can withstand the force of a baseball bat.


I'm curious as to how resistant it will be to saltwater. I *really* want to try kite surfing with it, so my legless mother can see what I see and get a sense of how it feels.

I suspect I could also make some high-quality porn of my ugly butt and ze wife.
 
2013-03-30 05:35:03 PM

whistleridge: Master Batorium: whistleridge: I just got notified that I'll be getting to test this, so I'm getting a kick, etc...

Cool.

I'm curious to see if it can withstand the force of a baseball bat.

I'm curious as to how resistant it will be to saltwater. I *really* want to try kite surfing with it, so my legless mother can see what I see and get a sense of how it feels.

I suspect I could also make some high-quality porn of my ugly butt and ze wife.



I hear ya.

c.cslacker.com

When I'm out at the ball game I don't want something like this to happen to me when I am recording little girls.
 
2013-03-30 05:41:11 PM

2wolves: Lusiphur: 2wolves: skinink: I like that Google is trying to create a generation of Gargoyles straight from Snow Crash.

Like ! = despise

I want to have a resonable expectation that vast chunks of my life stay away from being corporate fodder.

Why yes I use advert blockers, duckduckgo, and fairly good personal security.

Google turned to the dark side awhile ago.

"The dark side" in this case being offering you free services in exchange for serving you ads, while using your search history to at least try to make the ads somewhat relevant to you?

God forbid! How dare they?!?

Also, duckduckgo has a terrible search algo that returns crappy results.

1. I'll somehow survive not being in someone's sales demographic.

2. Yet I get the information I need by investing perhaps an extra minute. I'm ok with that.

Also why I pay for almost everything with cash, will not use my actual name or address on any shopping discount cards, etc.


That's not "being careful"; that's a mental illness. I'm not saying that to judge, just wanted to make sure you knew.

It's no different than people who put 6 locks on their doors and double check all of them every couple of hours. Or people who won't fly because they're convinced they'll fall out of the sky. It's a critical failure to properly calculate risk, and results in a noticeably diminished quality of life, without you even realizing that you are impacting your life negatively.
 
2013-03-30 05:54:25 PM

Lusiphur: just wanted to make sure you knew.


Oh, we know.

All of us 'mentally ill' people need to stay out of the way of all the Google Glass wearers and Facebook users. Thanks for condescending to the possibility we didn't already know that.

You have it all under control and are simply diagnosing us for our protection.
 
2013-03-30 06:16:40 PM
If you want to record stuff and you want to biatch about other people who biatch about their privacy then we have the right to view everything you have ever recorded. Even your private stuff. What are you hiding, right?

If you are going to equate privacy to 'hiding' things, then I want to see everything you have recorded and I want to know what you are going to do with it.

If you can no longer masturbate to the image of the girl you saw early that day and need to record it, then don't be surprised when gangs of people come up on your ass while you are sitting on a park bench with your cool new technological gadget that everyone else is using because they don't want to be left out or called mentally ill because they don't understand how these things affect their lives negativity tackle your old filthy bastard ass and demolish you.
 
2013-03-30 06:18:09 PM

Master Batorium: Lusiphur: just wanted to make sure you knew.

Oh, we know.

All of us 'mentally ill' people need to stay out of the way of all the Google Glass wearers and Facebook users. Thanks for condescending to the possibility we didn't already know that.

You have it all under control and are simply diagnosing us for our protection.


There's a difference between not wanting to get Glass or use Facebook, and going out of your way to avoid anything identifying you anywhere because some nebulous 'them' has nefarious plans for you.

But your butthurt is amusing, so carry on.
 
2013-03-30 06:25:31 PM

Lusiphur: Master Batorium: Lusiphur: just wanted to make sure you knew.

Oh, we know.

All of us 'mentally ill' people need to stay out of the way of all the Google Glass wearers and Facebook users. Thanks for condescending to the possibility we didn't already know that.

You have it all under control and are simply diagnosing us for our protection.

There's a difference between not wanting to get Glass or use Facebook, and going out of your way to avoid anything identifying you anywhere because some nebulous 'them' has nefarious plans for you.

But your butthurt is amusing, so carry on.


I'm sobbing and you are cloaking me with your wisdom. People don't want to join up with Facebook or buy Google Glass and you are suddenly a doctor.
 
2013-03-30 06:27:05 PM

Master Batorium: If you want to record stuff and you want to biatch about other people who biatch about their privacy then we have the right to view everything you have ever recorded. Even your private stuff. What are you hiding, right?

If you are going to equate privacy to 'hiding' things, then I want to see everything you have recorded and I want to know what you are going to do with it.

If you can no longer masturbate to the image of the girl you saw early that day and need to record it, then don't be surprised when gangs of people come up on your ass while you are sitting on a park bench with your cool new technological gadget that everyone else is using because they don't want to be left out or called mentally ill because they don't understand how these things affect their lives negativity tackle your old filthy bastard ass and demolish you.


The point isn't that privacy is stupid, and shouldn't exist at all (though i strongly believe that an end to privacy is the best thing that can happen to the human race. Just not practical as of now). The point is that you do not get to impose your self important right to privacy on strangers in public. When you choose to enter the public space, you give up the right to control how people see you, whether they record you, our what they do with that recording, provided it doesn't cause you real, provable damage. To insist otherwise, to the point of threatening ITG violence, is absolutely farking insane.

No one cares about your feelings. Get over it, or stay in your mothers's basements, you self-righteous paranoid farks.
 
2013-03-30 06:27:54 PM
Mike Bloomberg says it's Big Brother so get used to it. He was talking about government, but if government is  recording your every move, your privacy is already gone so what are you protecting? Surveillance technology for everybody!
 
2013-03-30 06:39:52 PM
I saw one of those twatwaffles at a conference recently and wanted to punch him in the face and take his glasses, take them into the bathroom with me, make a huge dump and then duct tape the glasses, facing downward, so that the device could record the gradual decomposition of said dump over time.
 
2013-03-30 07:13:49 PM

fisker: I like how the argument is, 'It's OK because there are already cameras everywhere.'

As if turning a lit matchstick into nuclear holocaust is OK because fire already exists.

'Fire is hot, dude. Didn't you know that? What's the big deal?'


What cocktail of drugs do I need to eat to understand that logic?

You're being recorded. Right now. Deal with it.
 
2013-03-30 07:24:29 PM

fisker: SN1987a goes boom: So I take it they are up in arms about cell phone cameras as well? No? Well, then they can EABOD, a whole bag even.

Do you walk around with your cell phone out, pointing it at everything you look at 100% of the time? If you do then yes, Ima break your shiat. Doesn't matter if you are recording or not.

Put that shiat down and away.

Now.

You look stupid waving that thing around all the time. Put it in your pocket. You're not even recording anything.


So...you go up to random people on their phones and break them?  You haven't been out in public much in the past 10 years, have you?  This is normal behavior.
 
2013-03-30 07:43:56 PM

SN1987a goes boom: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: So I take it they are up in arms about cell phone cameras as well? No? Well, then they can EABOD, a whole bag even.

Do you walk around with your cell phone out, pointing it at everything you look at 100% of the time? If you do then yes, Ima break your shiat. Doesn't matter if you are recording or not.

Put that shiat down and away.

Now.

You look stupid waving that thing around all the time. Put it in your pocket. You're not even recording anything.

So...you go up to random people on their phones and break them?  You haven't been out in public much in the past 10 years, have you?  This is normal behavior.


First it is assumed that I want to assault people. Now it is assumed that I want to break your phones.

I want to break your shiat.

Slang. It's been around longer than your need to walk around with your cell phone out pointing it at everything you are looking at even when you aren't recording anything.
 
2013-03-30 07:47:10 PM

joonyer: fisker: I like how the argument is, 'It's OK because there are already cameras everywhere.'

As if turning a lit matchstick into nuclear holocaust is OK because fire already exists.

'Fire is hot, dude. Didn't you know that? What's the big deal?'

What cocktail of drugs do I need to eat to understand that logic?

You're being recorded. Right now. Deal with it.


Okay.

Any other advice or commands?
 
2013-03-30 08:21:24 PM

fisker: SN1987a goes boom: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: So I take it they are up in arms about cell phone cameras as well? No? Well, then they can EABOD, a whole bag even.

Do you walk around with your cell phone out, pointing it at everything you look at 100% of the time? If you do then yes, Ima break your shiat. Doesn't matter if you are recording or not.

Put that shiat down and away.

Now.

You look stupid waving that thing around all the time. Put it in your pocket. You're not even recording anything.

So...you go up to random people on their phones and break them?  You haven't been out in public much in the past 10 years, have you?  This is normal behavior.

First it is assumed that I want to assault people. Now it is assumed that I want to break your phones.

I want to break your shiat.


Slang. It's been around longer than your need to walk around with your cell phone out pointing it at everything you are looking at even when you aren't recording anything.


There is no room for assumption here.   You admit "Imma break your shiat."  This is pretty cut and dry.
 
2013-03-30 08:36:16 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Folks, when you are out in public, you have no reasonable expectations to personal privacy. Somebody might be recording you on their cell phone and you wouldn't be able to do a damn thing about it (unless you're an ITG and want to pretend that you'd beat them up or break their camera), the google glass isn't going to be very different.  Only difference being that the people recording you will look like total jackasses now.


Perhaps I'm misremembering California law about audio/video recordings but as I recall it would be a felony to use these glasses in most no public places.  Further, use in even a public space would come with a whole lot of strings attached.
/as always before doing anything likely to get you sued consult a laywer with experience in that specific area
//try to avoid farkers with a GED in law from the Qwerty School of Law
///also helps if they've actually passed a specific states bar - Florida being an exception the common law bastiges;D
 
2013-03-30 08:46:01 PM

fisker: joonyer: fisker: I like how the argument is, 'It's OK because there are already cameras everywhere.'

As if turning a lit matchstick into nuclear holocaust is OK because fire already exists.

'Fire is hot, dude. Didn't you know that? What's the big deal?'

What cocktail of drugs do I need to eat to understand that logic?

You're being recorded. Right now. Deal with it.

Okay.

Any other advice or commands?


Yes. Cease and desist using shiatty analogies.
 
2013-03-30 08:53:06 PM

SN1987a goes boom: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: So I take it they are up in arms about cell phone cameras as well? No? Well, then they can EABOD, a whole bag even.

Do you walk around with your cell phone out, pointing it at everything you look at 100% of the time? If you do then yes, Ima break your shiat. Doesn't matter if you are recording or not.

Put that shiat down and away.

Now.

You look stupid waving that thing around all the time. Put it in your pocket. You're not even recording anything.

So...you go up to random people on their phones and break them?  You haven't been out in public much in the past 10 years, have you?  This is normal behavior.

First it is assumed that I want to assault people. Now it is assumed that I want to break your phones.

I want to break your shiat.

Slang. It's been around longer than your need to walk around with your cell phone out pointing it at everything you are looking at even when you aren't recording anything.

There is no room for assumption here.   You admit "Imma break your shiat."  This is pretty cut and dry.


Good. You should be paranoid about it. You're going to film the wrong person.

By the way. What I said is cut and dry so that when people like you try to come back and say I said something I didn't it shows. 'Ima break your shiat' is carefully placed so people like you CAN'T say that I am going around telling people that I am going to assault them. I would say that.

You should expect that people are going to break your shiat when you have that stupid phone pointed at everything you are looking at even when you aren't recording anything because it looks stupid. Put it away.
 
2013-03-30 08:56:44 PM

joonyer: fisker: joonyer: fisker: I like how the argument is, 'It's OK because there are already cameras everywhere.'

As if turning a lit matchstick into nuclear holocaust is OK because fire already exists.

'Fire is hot, dude. Didn't you know that? What's the big deal?'

What cocktail of drugs do I need to eat to understand that logic?

You're being recorded. Right now. Deal with it.

Okay.

Any other advice or commands?

Yes. Cease and desist using shiatty analogies.


And miss out on all the cool drugs I am taking?
 
2013-03-30 09:02:22 PM

fisker: SN1987a goes boom: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: So I take it they are up in arms about cell phone cameras as well? No? Well, then they can EABOD, a whole bag even.

Do you walk around with your cell phone out, pointing it at everything you look at 100% of the time? If you do then yes, Ima break your shiat. Doesn't matter if you are recording or not.

Put that shiat down and away.

Now.

You look stupid waving that thing around all the time. Put it in your pocket. You're not even recording anything.

So...you go up to random people on their phones and break them?  You haven't been out in public much in the past 10 years, have you?  This is normal behavior.

First it is assumed that I want to assault people. Now it is assumed that I want to break your phones.

I want to break your shiat.

Slang. It's been around longer than your need to walk around with your cell phone out pointing it at everything you are looking at even when you aren't recording anything.

There is no room for assumption here.   You admit "Imma break your shiat."  This is pretty cut and dry.

Good. You should be paranoid about it. You're going to film the wrong person.

By the way. What I said is cut and dry so that when people like you try to come back and say I said something I didn't it shows. 'Ima break your shiat' is carefully placed so people like you CAN'T say that I am going around telling people that I am going to assault them. I would say that.

You should expect that people are going to break your shiat when you have that stupid phone pointed at everything you are looking at even when you aren't recording anything because it looks stupid. Put it away.


That is not a reasonable expectation at all.  You are farking crazy.
 
2013-03-30 09:05:02 PM

SN1987a goes boom: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: So I take it they are up in arms about cell phone cameras as well? No? Well, then they can EABOD, a whole bag even.

Do you walk around with your cell phone out, pointing it at everything you look at 100% of the time? If you do then yes, Ima break your shiat. Doesn't matter if you are recording or not.

Put that shiat down and away.

Now.

You look stupid waving that thing around all the time. Put it in your pocket. You're not even recording anything.

So...you go up to random people on their phones and break them?  You haven't been out in public much in the past 10 years, have you?  This is normal behavior.

First it is assumed that I want to assault people. Now it is assumed that I want to break your phones.

I want to break your shiat.

Slang. It's been around longer than your need to walk around with your cell phone out pointing it at everything you are looking at even when you aren't recording anything.

There is no room for assumption here.   You admit "Imma break your shiat."  This is pretty cut and dry.

Good. You should be paranoid about it. You're going to film the wrong person.

By the way. What I said is cut and dry so that when people like you try to come back and say I said something I didn't it shows. 'Ima break your shiat' is carefully placed so people like you CAN'T say that I am going around telling people that I am going to assault them. I would say that.

You should expect that people are going to break your shiat when you have that stupid phone pointed at everything you are looking at even when you aren't recording anything because it looks stupid. Put it away.

That is not a reasonable expectation at all.  You are farking crazy.


Are you going to answer my question to your Weeners?
 
2013-03-30 09:29:05 PM

fisker: SN1987a goes boom: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: So I take it they are up in arms about cell phone cameras as well? No? Well, then they can EABOD, a whole bag even.

Do you walk around with your cell phone out, pointing it at everything you look at 100% of the time? If you do then yes, Ima break your shiat. Doesn't matter if you are recording or not.

Put that shiat down and away.

Now.

You look stupid waving that thing around all the time. Put it in your pocket. You're not even recording anything.

So...you go up to random people on their phones and break them?  You haven't been out in public much in the past 10 years, have you?  This is normal behavior.

First it is assumed that I want to assault people. Now it is assumed that I want to break your phones.

I want to break your shiat.

Slang. It's been around longer than your need to walk around with your cell phone out pointing it at everything you are looking at even when you aren't recording anything.

There is no room for assumption here.   You admit "Imma break your shiat."  This is pretty cut and dry.

Good. You should be paranoid about it. You're going to film the wrong person.

By the way. What I said is cut and dry so that when people like you try to come back and say I said something I didn't it shows. 'Ima break your shiat' is carefully placed so people like you CAN'T say that I am going around telling people that I am going to assault them. I would say that.

You should expect that people are going to break your shiat when you have that stupid phone pointed at everything you are looking at even when you aren't recording anything because it looks stupid. Put it away.

That is not a reasonable expectation at all.  You are farking crazy.

Are you going to answer my question to your Weeners?


Are you going to start taking serious mental medications?
 
2013-03-30 09:41:18 PM

SN1987a goes boom: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: So I take it they are up in arms about cell phone cameras as well? No? Well, then they can EABOD, a whole bag even.

Do you walk around with your cell phone out, pointing it at everything you look at 100% of the time? If you do then yes, Ima break your shiat. Doesn't matter if you are recording or not.

Put that shiat down and away.

Now.

You look stupid waving that thing around all the time. Put it in your pocket. You're not even recording anything.

So...you go up to random people on their phones and break them?  You haven't been out in public much in the past 10 years, have you?  This is normal behavior.

First it is assumed that I want to assault people. Now it is assumed that I want to break your phones.

I want to break your shiat.

Slang. It's been around longer than your need to walk around with your cell phone out pointing it at everything you are looking at even when you aren't recording anything.

There is no room for assumption here.   You admit "Imma break your shiat."  This is pretty cut and dry.

Good. You should be paranoid about it. You're going to film the wrong person.

By the way. What I said is cut and dry so that when people like you try to come back and say I said something I didn't it shows. 'Ima break your shiat' is carefully placed so people like you CAN'T say that I am going around telling people that I am going to assault them. I would say that.

You should expect that people are going to break your shiat when you have that stupid phone pointed at everything you are looking at even when you aren't recording anything because it looks stupid. Put it away.

That is not a reasonable expectation at all.  You are farking crazy.

Are you going to answer my question to your Weeners?

Are you going to start taking serious mental medications?


Mental medications? No.

Do you walk around with your cell phone pointed at everything you are looking at 100% of the time?

It's actually a really easy question.

Since you haven't answered or even denied it, I am ASSUMING that the answer is yes simply because you are equating using Google Glass to your cell phone as if they are the same things. The same way you are assuming that I go around assaulting people and breaking their cellphones.

On the other had you might answer 'No' you DON'T walk around with your cell phone out 100% of the time and realize that I am not even talking about you at all and you went off and made this whole damn thing way more complicated than it actually is.

This is what I like the most about you. Your ability to get right to the point.
 
2013-03-30 10:32:28 PM
fisker:

I look forward to seeing your mugshot with the recorded first person view of your assault and destruction of property ($1,500) on the news.
Easiest court case ever.  Pound him in the bum bum time for you again.
It will be one of the first 'internet tough guy brags' that actually comes to fruition.
 
2013-03-30 10:35:33 PM

Karne: fisker:

I look forward to seeing your mugshot with the recorded first person view of your assault and destruction of property ($1,500) on the news.
Easiest court case ever.  Pound him in the bum bum time for you again.
It will be one of the first 'internet tough guy brags' that actually comes to fruition.


Be on the lookout.
 
2013-03-30 10:35:54 PM
worldofwonder.net
 
2013-03-30 10:55:07 PM

fisker: Karne: fisker:

I look forward to seeing your mugshot with the recorded first person view of your assault and destruction of property ($1,500) on the news.
Easiest court case ever.  Pound him in the bum bum time for you again.
It will be one of the first 'internet tough guy brags' that actually comes to fruition.

Be on the lookout.


I'll watch out for the 'Old fat guy slaps like a little girl' video that will be popular on Liveleak.com
 
2013-03-30 11:11:50 PM

Karne: fisker: Karne: fisker:

I look forward to seeing your mugshot with the recorded first person view of your assault and destruction of property ($1,500) on the news.
Easiest court case ever.  Pound him in the bum bum time for you again.
It will be one of the first 'internet tough guy brags' that actually comes to fruition.

Be on the lookout.

I'll watch out for the 'Old fat guy slaps like a little girl' video that will be popular on Liveleak.com


Record it for me.
 
2013-03-30 11:13:44 PM

Bored Horde: The My Little Pony Killer: Folks, when you are out in public, you have no reasonable expectations to personal privacy. Somebody might be recording you on their cell phone and you wouldn't be able to do a damn thing about it (unless you're an ITG and want to pretend that you'd beat them up or break their camera), the google glass isn't going to be very different.  Only difference being that the people recording you will look like total jackasses now.

Why don't we have an expectation of privacy?  There's a difference, I think we could agree, between these two cases:  First, someone taking a photo of their friend on the beach, and innocently catching bystanders in the background - the photo is posted to facebook.  Second, someone with a high-power telephoto camera taking pictures of women sunning on the beach - the photos are posted to a sexual website.

We so often talk about intent when it comes to criminal matters.  The intent in the first case is to take a photo of your friend.  The intent in the second is to sexualize, without consent, a stranger.  Our current system of 'zero expectations of privacy when in public' ignores the consent of the women being harassed by photographers.  Wouldn't you agree that there is a malicious intent towards the second case?


Do you honestly believe Google Glass is going to come equipped with a high-power telephoto camera? That's your serious argument?
 
2013-03-30 11:17:06 PM

fisker: SN1987a goes boom: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: So I take it they are up in arms about cell phone cameras as well? No? Well, then they can EABOD, a whole bag even.

Do you walk around with your cell phone out, pointing it at everything you look at 100% of the time? If you do then yes, Ima break your shiat. Doesn't matter if you are recording or not.

Put that shiat down and away.

Now.

You look stupid waving that thing around all the time. Put it in your pocket. You're not even recording anything.

So...you go up to random people on their phones and break them?  You haven't been out in public much in the past 10 years, have you?  This is normal behavior.

First it is assumed that I want to assault people. Now it is assumed that I want to break your phones.

I want to break your shiat.

Slang. It's been around longer than your need to walk around with your cell phone out pointing it at everything you are looking at even when you aren't recording anything.


Define it then.  Go on and tell us that "I want to break your shiat" doesn't mean anything violent in the context you're using it in.  We won't laugh at you, I promise*.

*I don't really promise
 
2013-03-30 11:19:27 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: So I take it they are up in arms about cell phone cameras as well? No? Well, then they can EABOD, a whole bag even.

Do you walk around with your cell phone out, pointing it at everything you look at 100% of the time? If you do then yes, Ima break your shiat. Doesn't matter if you are recording or not.

Put that shiat down and away.

Now.

You look stupid waving that thing around all the time. Put it in your pocket. You're not even recording anything.

So...you go up to random people on their phones and break them?  You haven't been out in public much in the past 10 years, have you?  This is normal behavior.

First it is assumed that I want to assault people. Now it is assumed that I want to break your phones.

I want to break your shiat.

Slang. It's been around longer than your need to walk around with your cell phone out pointing it at everything you are looking at even when you aren't recording anything.

Define it then.  Go on and tell us that "I want to break your shiat" doesn't mean anything violent in the context you're using it in.  We won't laugh at you, I promise*.

*I don't really promise


No. I'll let you figure it out. You guys are good at it.
 
2013-03-30 11:20:49 PM

fisker: Do you walk around with your cell phone pointed at everything you are looking at 100% of the time?


Have you ever actually seen somebody doing that?
 
2013-03-30 11:21:27 PM

fisker: The My Little Pony Killer: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: So I take it they are up in arms about cell phone cameras as well? No? Well, then they can EABOD, a whole bag even.

Do you walk around with your cell phone out, pointing it at everything you look at 100% of the time? If you do then yes, Ima break your shiat. Doesn't matter if you are recording or not.

Put that shiat down and away.

Now.

You look stupid waving that thing around all the time. Put it in your pocket. You're not even recording anything.

So...you go up to random people on their phones and break them?  You haven't been out in public much in the past 10 years, have you?  This is normal behavior.

First it is assumed that I want to assault people. Now it is assumed that I want to break your phones.

I want to break your shiat.

Slang. It's been around longer than your need to walk around with your cell phone out pointing it at everything you are looking at even when you aren't recording anything.

Define it then.  Go on and tell us that "I want to break your shiat" doesn't mean anything violent in the context you're using it in.  We won't laugh at you, I promise*.

*I don't really promise

No. I'll let you figure it out. You guys are good at it.


Weird, considering we've let you know a few times that we're having a hard time translating your particular brand of insanity.
 
2013-03-30 11:23:22 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: fisker: Do you walk around with your cell phone pointed at everything you are looking at 100% of the time?

Have you ever actually seen somebody doing that?


No.
 
2013-03-30 11:23:50 PM
You can trust Google, they only collect your personal information and sell it to the highest bidder.
 
2013-03-30 11:25:27 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: fisker: The My Little Pony Killer: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: fisker: SN1987a goes boom: So I take it they are up in arms about cell phone cameras as well? No? Well, then they can EABOD, a whole bag even.

Do you walk around with your cell phone out, pointing it at everything you look at 100% of the time? If you do then yes, Ima break your shiat. Doesn't matter if you are recording or not.

Put that shiat down and away.

Now.

You look stupid waving that thing around all the time. Put it in your pocket. You're not even recording anything.

So...you go up to random people on their phones and break them?  You haven't been out in public much in the past 10 years, have you?  This is normal behavior.

First it is assumed that I want to assault people. Now it is assumed that I want to break your phones.

I want to break your shiat.

Slang. It's been around longer than your need to walk around with your cell phone out pointing it at everything you are looking at even when you aren't recording anything.

Define it then.  Go on and tell us that "I want to break your shiat" doesn't mean anything violent in the context you're using it in.  We won't laugh at you, I promise*.

*I don't really promise

No. I'll let you figure it out. You guys are good at it.

Weird, considering we've let you know a few times that we're having a hard time translating your particular brand of insanity.


You've all made it quite clear how it's been interpreted. I told you that it didn't. We are still going on about it.
 
2013-03-30 11:53:13 PM
Internet pyschoanalysts and internet lawyers finally join forces with the corporate whores.

Step 2, Invest in jamming devices

Step 3, Profit
 
2013-03-31 12:46:43 AM

2wolves: Internet pyschoanalysts and internet lawyers finally join forces with the corporate whores.

Step 2, Invest in jamming devices

Step 3, Profit


A baseball bat is a jamming device.
 
2013-03-31 01:21:17 AM

BarkingUnicorn: 2wolves: Internet pyschoanalysts and internet lawyers finally join forces with the corporate whores.

Step 2, Invest in jamming devices

Step 3, Profit

A baseball bat is a jamming device.


True, but the margins on straight hardware are razor thin.
 
2013-03-31 01:53:10 AM

2wolves: BarkingUnicorn: 2wolves: Internet pyschoanalysts and internet lawyers finally join forces with the corporate whores.

Step 2, Invest in jamming devices

Step 3, Profit

A baseball bat is a jamming device.

True, but the margins on straight hardware are razor thin.


Surprisingly, I found a reference on that:

"The profit margin for a bat sold to a retail outlet is about 20 percent, Gregory said, compared with 15 percent for bats sold to professionals."
 
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