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2013-03-30 12:51:09 PM
5 votes:
I just wanted to highlight the unmitigated stupidity of these two quotes: "'Here's the thing: You hand people cards and they send you e-mail,' said Rudina Seseri, a partner at the Cambridge venture capital firm Fairhaven Capital, who no longer puts her e-mail address on business cards. 'If someone actually cares what I think, they can make an effort and follow me on Twitter.'"

These tell me two things.  First, she is a self important jackass.  "Make an effort" to follow her on twitter tells me that she uses that phrase for all kinds of meaningless, petty, and self centered demands on people who work for her.  Second "had people cards and they e-mail you" is sort of the point.  This is how communication works, it is a two way street. Telling people to follow her twitter just tells me that she wants to lecture but not actually have to bother listening to anyone.
2013-03-30 01:25:31 PM
4 votes:
For any government agency on in any business, e-mail is not only about communication, but documentation.

It won't die.
2013-03-30 12:36:21 PM
4 votes:
Email is dead.

Um, yeah. I work in a company that sends from 10 to 200 emails internally a day, some of which a good 10 at least need to be responded to.

Not everyone is going to sit on the tweeters for internally-sensitive details, and chat is just a really poor substitute for email due to its never ending stream of suck.

Writers that declare "the end of" usually have a reason for marketing themselves as "being out in front of" something else. And are usually full of crap.
2013-03-30 10:26:20 AM
4 votes:
Can we file this in the same folder as "the PC is dead"?
2013-03-30 02:35:05 PM
3 votes:

red5ish: Twitter and Facebook, for example, each have messaging systems built in that replicate the direct - and private - contact e-mail provides, but have controls for users to limit who can contact them.

1. This made me laugh.
2. The author doesn't know how to use or manage email.

"I check Facebook first, then Twitter, then Instagram after that," said Kate Scott, a 21-year-old Boston University student.

3. I laughed even harder.


So I guess this snowflake's in for a surprise when her first non university employer expects her responses by email and her happy ass in a conference room by calendaring.
2013-03-30 01:31:35 PM
3 votes:
Everyone bemoaning email in that article was selling a product that replaces it. Duh.

I LOL'd at the guy who said he hasn't sent email in 5 years. If the entirety of his professional communication has been internal, I'm surprised he's still employed.
2013-03-30 01:07:21 PM
3 votes:
"Email is dead, Twitter/Facebook/chat/text is better!" TFA is seriously trying to claim that the unmigitated pile of suck that is Twitter is somehow more useful than email? I used to hear that all the time about IM as well, and I haven't seen anyone using that where I work in ages.
Yeah, email is a pain to deal with a lot of the time. But it allows multi-way, semi-private, logged and timestamped communication. It's not beholden to some private corporation that has a business model built solely around harvesting your private details and selling them to spammers. It allows attachments of random filetype. There are a thousand clients to choose from. It exists on every single device ever created in the last 40 years. There are robust search tools that let you sift through 10 years of stuff in seconds.
When you can get that from some other platform let me know, because none of the alternatives come close.
2013-03-30 12:38:43 PM
3 votes:
"E-mail is broken," said Anna Rosenman, senior product marketing manager at Salesforce. "E-mail is one-to-one communication, and that's not how we need to be communicating."

I think we found the spammer.
2013-03-31 12:31:58 AM
2 votes:
There is no way I could take a business or professional seriously if they expected me to contact them via Twitter or Facebook. If they handed me a card and that was their contact info I'd simply hand it back to them.
2013-03-30 06:57:38 PM
2 votes:
1.)  Buy a domain name (farker.com)
2.)  Setup the server to forward anything @ farker.com to your e-mail address
3.)  Whenever you need to give out an e-mail address, give a unique one.

For example....if you are ordering something from amazon use 'Amaz­onOr­d­ers­[nospam-﹫-backwards]rekr­aF*com' if you sign up with your local bank use 'Well­sFarg­o­[nospam-﹫-backwards]re­kra­F*co­m'

Now when you suddenly start getting spam you can tell which company sold you out - because the spam will be arriving from the account you ONLY gave to them.  Not only can you setup a rule to forward everything to that particular e-mail straight to your trash - you can vote with your wallet, make a fuss, and explain why you won't be doing business with companies that sell your e-mail address.
2013-03-30 02:13:10 PM
2 votes:

farkeruk: You sign up, get services for free, but they're going to make you pay for it, one way or another.


What you have to understand about Facebook, Twitter, and the like is that you aren't the customer, you are the product.
2013-03-30 02:11:45 PM
2 votes:
The WindowLicker:  This is how communication works, it is a two way street. Telling people to follow her twitter just tells me that she wants to lecture but not actually have to bother listening to anyone.

It is what I call the culture of audience: everyone shouts at everyone else. This is a long run recipe for social dysfunction because there is no give and take that happens in an actual conversation. It actually represents an underlying hostility towards people. The other problem with it is that there is no such thing as a free lunch. I stopped using Twitter because I got sick of all the ads appearing in my feed; at least with e-mail I can delete the ad without reading it. E-mail has its issue, I do not deny it. But shouting to heard over the din leads to a social arms race where no one is the winner.
2013-03-30 01:17:16 PM
2 votes:
There are a few reasons to write this article, any or all of which may have been on michael-dot-ferrell-at-globe-dot-com's mind.

1. My audience is mostly 60-year-olds who just got on AOL and won't have any basis for disbelieving me
2. I'm on deadline
3. Thirty years from now, when e-mail has changed to the point where it's not really the same kind of thing as it is now, I'll be able to point to this article from waaaaaaaaaaaay back in 2013 and look like a visionary genius.
4. 99% of the people who read this use e-mail dozens of times a day, and will freak out over this outrageous claim I'm making, which will lead to comments and social-media sharing and click-throughs from content-aggregator sites like Fark.com.

But let's not pretend he's serious about this.
2013-03-31 09:59:08 PM
1 votes:

poot_rootbeer: GoodHomer: For any government agency on in any business, e-mail is not only about communication, but documentation.

Bcc: THIS.

If you don't follow up critical meetings and office talks with an email in the format "Per our conversation, the issue is _____ and my next steps will be to _____ and ____, please let me know if I have misunderstood anything," then you are setting yourself up to get farked.


THIS.

Also, I've noticed that people unwilling to write a complete English sentence don't have a great grasp on why they need my attention.  Ignoring phones and social media lets me make the people who DO know why they need my attention much happier, and much more likely to get me paid.
2013-03-31 12:08:47 AM
1 votes:
Article:  With billions of e-mails shooting around the world every day, clogging Gmail and Yahoo accounts everywhere, many are recoiling from the torrent.

Headline:  Email is dead.
2013-03-30 10:23:05 PM
1 votes:

Fark_Guy_Rob: 1.)  Buy a domain name (farker.com)
2.)  Setup the server to forward anything @ farker.com to your e-mail address
3.)  Whenever you need to give out an e-mail address, give a unique one.

For example....if you are ordering something from amazon use 'AmazonOrders[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]rekraF[* image 7x13]com' if you sign up with your local bank use 'WellsFargo[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]rekraF[* image 7x13]com'

Now when you suddenly start getting spam you can tell which company sold you out - because the spam will be arriving from the account you ONLY gave to them.  Not only can you setup a rule to forward everything to that particular e-mail straight to your trash - you can vote with your wallet, make a fuss, and explain why you won't be doing business with companies that sell your e-mail address.


I used to do that.  My generic email listed publicly was mammal@ so that i wouldn't get tons of spam, and that was the only real inbox on the server.  Everything else was sorted to different folders so I didn't need to wade through tons of spam to get to what I wanted.

Then gmail came along.  If it's a legit company, I opt out and never see them again.  If it's not, the spam filter seems to catch it.  It works really well, and I don't really give a shiat about privacy anyway.  Hell, I post on Fark under my real name through open WiFi on my cell phone regularly.
2013-03-30 09:48:43 PM
1 votes:
Really?

I work for a university, and we email the shiat out each other on a daily basis...
2013-03-30 07:41:02 PM
1 votes:
Attachments.

Also, fark Twitter.
2013-03-30 07:19:13 PM
1 votes:

Fark_Guy_Rob: 1.)  Buy a domain name (farker.com)
2.)  Setup the server to forward anything @ farker.com to your e-mail address
3.)  Whenever you need to give out an e-mail address, give a unique one.

For example....if you are ordering something from amazon use 'AmazonOrders[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]rekraF[* image 7x13]com' if you sign up with your local bank use 'WellsFargo[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]rekraF[* image 7x13]com'

Now when you suddenly start getting spam you can tell which company sold you out - because the spam will be arriving from the account you ONLY gave to them.  Not only can you setup a rule to forward everything to that particular e-mail straight to your trash - you can vote with your wallet, make a fuss, and explain why you won't be doing business with companies that sell your e-mail address.


Or you can just use Gmail. I've had my account since it was invite-only and use it for shopping and everything, and I never see any spam reach my inbox that wasn't because I forgot to uncheck a box when ordering or signing up for something.
2013-03-30 06:44:28 PM
1 votes:
Young people don't have email accounts because they don't have jobs.

You have a job, you have an email account. It's that simple.
2013-03-30 06:40:14 PM
1 votes:
It would have been interesting to note the ages of these people.

The purchasing authority I have at my job makes me such a constant target of cold calls that I literally send every call to my voicemail. Clients leave messags, cold sales callers usually don't bother, realize that they are being screened, so its very effective for me.

I would never use Facebook or Twitter to communicate with any vendor or prospective vendor.  On the other hand, I do read emails, and any vendor who didn't read mine would lose our firm's business immediately. I guess my email filtering service is good enough to protect me from being inundated with spam, but that's the way I prefer to deal with other businesses, and so it will remain.
2013-03-30 05:27:42 PM
1 votes:
The business applications of email are still too good to be dead.  When I had my last corporate job, email was perfect because it allowed instant communication, there was no "I'm driving so I can't talk now.", it was private (unlike Twitter), and pics could be added (unlike phone) if needed, as well as other needed documents.  Hell, many of my insurance clients like to have their policies emailed to them because it's faster and easier than mailing out a huge document.
2013-03-30 04:34:04 PM
1 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Academics phone.

And by that, we mean "we found one academic who prefers to use a phone".


I'm an academic and they took away my office phone five years ago. When I did the books at a Kwik-E-Mart 10 hours a week as a teenager, I had a goddamn office phone, but now that I'm Dr. semiotix I just have wires coming out of the wall where they ripped out the jack. (I guess to make sure I didn't bring my own phone from home.)

Actually, I'm not in any way upset by that, because I never used my office phone and I don't begrudge my employer the ten cell phone minutes a month I use to conduct official business. But would I give out my private cell number to students? Aw hell naw.
2013-03-30 03:58:21 PM
1 votes:
Academics phone.

And by that, we mean "we found one academic who prefers to use a phone".
2013-03-30 03:52:55 PM
1 votes:
"Here's the thing: You hand people cards and they send you e-mail," said Rudina Seseri, a partner at the Cambridge venture capital firm Fairhaven Capital, who no longer puts her e-mail address on business cards. "If someone actually cares what I think, they can make an effort and follow me on Twitter."

Yeah. Okay, we get it. You are the only person who has anything important to say and everyone else can either listen or shove off.
2013-03-30 03:28:27 PM
1 votes:
This is so stupid.

So some venture cap firm has removed the email address of the top executives from the website.  Big.  Farking. Whoop.  I bet their telephone numbers are not listed either. Executive don't want any random jackass contacting them.  This has been no different no matter what communication technology you had.  But what kings like was making sure everyone heard their decrees.  So instead of a town crier, you have a have twitter.

As for Facebook and like replacing communications, not going to happen until corporations turn up their own FB complaint servers so that they can retain control of the data.  Of course I may be totally wrong and miss VC exec is totally cool with lower rung employees posting confidential information on their FB feeds and messaging system so that other employees can 'collaborate' on it.

Collaborative techs like Lotus Notes, Sharepoint, Documentum and others have been around for decades and are quite useful.  The problem with them all is that if you need to collaborate with people external to your org, they either need to drop coins for similar seats of the products and resulting infrastructure... or you can just farking email them.

Email is not perfect and it may not last forever, I'll grant that.  But it has been around for over 40 years and judging by the mail volumes that our org handles, the use of it is not going down.
2013-03-30 02:51:21 PM
1 votes:

Silverstaff: Dinki: Can we file this in the same folder as "the PC is dead"?

Yup, under "B" for Bullshiat.

When I'm at work, I get e-mails from my boss.  I don't get tweets from him, or texts.  If he's got a lot of things to communicate, an e-mail is a lot more practical than a phone call.

When I'm at work, a PC is way more practical to use than a tablet or mobile phone for doing actual work.

The pundits who say that e-mail and PC's are dead are forgetting that people actually use computers and the internet for actual work and not just sitting around fapping to porn, chatting with their friends and yammering on about reality TV shows.


They also forget that all of the applications that tablets and mobile phones run are programmed on desktop computers.
2013-03-30 02:42:00 PM
1 votes:

Dinki: Can we file this in the same folder as "the PC is dead"?


Yup, under "B" for Bullshiat.

When I'm at work, I get e-mails from my boss.  I don't get tweets from him, or texts.  If he's got a lot of things to communicate, an e-mail is a lot more practical than a phone call.

When I'm at work, a PC is way more practical to use than a tablet or mobile phone for doing actual work.

The pundits who say that e-mail and PC's are dead are forgetting that people actually use computers and the internet for actual work and not just sitting around fapping to porn, chatting with their friends and yammering on about reality TV shows.
2013-03-30 02:38:11 PM
1 votes:
How hard is it to manage your inbox? Every time I get something I don't want, I unsubscribe. Do that from the beginning and there is no deluge of email. I get like two or three e-mails a day. Even my work mail only gets like 10 to 15 a day.
2013-03-30 02:28:30 PM
1 votes:

Generation_D: Email is dead.

Um, yeah. I work in a company that sends from 10 to 200 emails internally a day, some of which a good 10 at least need to be responded to.

Not everyone is going to sit on the tweeters for internally-sensitive details, and chat is just a really poor substitute for email due to its never ending stream of suck.

Writers that declare "the end of" usually have a reason for marketing themselves as "being out in front of" something else. And are usually full of crap.


My company has a zero internal email policy. Trying to drive us on to Communicator, communal wikis & blogs. Think we are a few decent bits of software away from being able to do it.
2013-03-30 02:24:03 PM
1 votes:

kab: Email dead?  Keep telling yourself that subby.

"Here's the thing: You hand people cards and they send you e-mail," said Rudina Seseri, a partner at the Cambridge venture capital firm Fairhaven Capital, who no longer puts her e-mail address on business cards. "If someone actually cares what I think, they can make an effort and follow me on Twitter."

Here's the thing.   Anyone who wants to do business with you likely doesn't care what you think of anything else.  So good luck with that whole 'make an effort' thing.


Who cares what this pompous twat thinks?
2013-03-30 02:10:31 PM
1 votes:

The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: The old ways are best. That's why I use smoke signals.


Pfft. I use Morse code.

No, seriously, I actually do.  Thursday, while driving home from work, I chatted with Paul KW7D in New Mexico, Ken N7OG in Utah, Raymond HR9/WQ7R in Honduras, and Lorenzo HI3LFE in the Dominican Republic.

Right before lunch today, I chatted with Ian VE3AYA in Toronto, and early this morning I had a nice conversation with Bob KC8MFF in West Virginia.

All with Morse code.
2013-03-30 01:50:27 PM
1 votes:
Twitter is stupid as shiat. So is Facebook. Sadly, my company has both and forces us to use them.
2013-03-30 01:16:15 PM
1 votes:
Twitter and Facebook, for example, each have messaging systems built in that replicate the direct - and private - contact e-mail provides, but have controls for users to limit who can contact them.

1. This made me laugh.
2. The author doesn't know how to use or manage email.

"I check Facebook first, then Twitter, then Instagram after that," said Kate Scott, a 21-year-old Boston University student.

3. I laughed even harder.
2013-03-30 01:13:58 PM
1 votes:
Email is dead, say idiots and some people trying to sell an alternative to email.

What happens if Twitter dumps all your tweets from a year ago, or charges you for a premium service to see Tweets older than a week ago? All these services are like a Faustian deal. You sign up, get services for free, but they're going to make you pay for it, one way or another.

At least email, with a domain has competition.
2013-03-30 01:11:11 PM
1 votes:
When and IF email dies or is ever considered dead it will be extremely redundant to say that it has died.

It would be like saying AOL is dead and trying to be ultra-meta about it today.

-if email were actually dead.
2013-03-30 01:10:42 PM
1 votes:

Dinki: Can we file this in the same folder as "the PC is dead"?


No, this is even more laughable.
2013-03-30 12:50:21 PM
1 votes:
The old ways are best. That's why I use smoke signals.
2013-03-30 12:49:42 PM
1 votes:
I got to 'E-mail is one-to-one communication, and that's not how we need to be communicating' and had to stop. Every email thread I've participated in for years has been group collaboration. It's pretty clear that anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't actually produce anything or make any decisions of importance.
2013-03-30 12:46:28 PM
1 votes:
Manage your email. Use a dumping one for spam/purchases and a real one for communication. Also try unsubscribing from mail lists and block problems.

I flagged my teatard uncle as spam in my gmail account, and my inbox has been noticeably cleaner.
2013-03-30 10:23:31 AM
1 votes:
"Email is Dead."

Michael B. Farrell can be reached at  m­i­chael*far­re­ll­[nospam-﹫-backwards]ebol­g*com
2013-03-30 10:01:28 AM
1 votes:
Boston?  It's not a big college town.
2013-03-30 08:26:42 AM
1 votes:
well then what should we do at work for confirmation of email accounts
 
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