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2013-03-30 02:38:11 PM  
How hard is it to manage your inbox? Every time I get something I don't want, I unsubscribe. Do that from the beginning and there is no deluge of email. I get like two or three e-mails a day. Even my work mail only gets like 10 to 15 a day.
 
2013-03-30 02:42:00 PM  

Dinki: Can we file this in the same folder as "the PC is dead"?


Yup, under "B" for Bullshiat.

When I'm at work, I get e-mails from my boss.  I don't get tweets from him, or texts.  If he's got a lot of things to communicate, an e-mail is a lot more practical than a phone call.

When I'm at work, a PC is way more practical to use than a tablet or mobile phone for doing actual work.

The pundits who say that e-mail and PC's are dead are forgetting that people actually use computers and the internet for actual work and not just sitting around fapping to porn, chatting with their friends and yammering on about reality TV shows.
 
2013-03-30 02:51:21 PM  

Silverstaff: Dinki: Can we file this in the same folder as "the PC is dead"?

Yup, under "B" for Bullshiat.

When I'm at work, I get e-mails from my boss.  I don't get tweets from him, or texts.  If he's got a lot of things to communicate, an e-mail is a lot more practical than a phone call.

When I'm at work, a PC is way more practical to use than a tablet or mobile phone for doing actual work.

The pundits who say that e-mail and PC's are dead are forgetting that people actually use computers and the internet for actual work and not just sitting around fapping to porn, chatting with their friends and yammering on about reality TV shows.


They also forget that all of the applications that tablets and mobile phones run are programmed on desktop computers.
 
2013-03-30 03:28:27 PM  
This is so stupid.

So some venture cap firm has removed the email address of the top executives from the website.  Big.  Farking. Whoop.  I bet their telephone numbers are not listed either. Executive don't want any random jackass contacting them.  This has been no different no matter what communication technology you had.  But what kings like was making sure everyone heard their decrees.  So instead of a town crier, you have a have twitter.

As for Facebook and like replacing communications, not going to happen until corporations turn up their own FB complaint servers so that they can retain control of the data.  Of course I may be totally wrong and miss VC exec is totally cool with lower rung employees posting confidential information on their FB feeds and messaging system so that other employees can 'collaborate' on it.

Collaborative techs like Lotus Notes, Sharepoint, Documentum and others have been around for decades and are quite useful.  The problem with them all is that if you need to collaborate with people external to your org, they either need to drop coins for similar seats of the products and resulting infrastructure... or you can just farking email them.

Email is not perfect and it may not last forever, I'll grant that.  But it has been around for over 40 years and judging by the mail volumes that our org handles, the use of it is not going down.
 
2013-03-30 03:52:55 PM  
"Here's the thing: You hand people cards and they send you e-mail," said Rudina Seseri, a partner at the Cambridge venture capital firm Fairhaven Capital, who no longer puts her e-mail address on business cards. "If someone actually cares what I think, they can make an effort and follow me on Twitter."

Yeah. Okay, we get it. You are the only person who has anything important to say and everyone else can either listen or shove off.
 
2013-03-30 03:58:21 PM  
Academics phone.

And by that, we mean "we found one academic who prefers to use a phone".
 
2013-03-30 03:59:20 PM  
Twitter is farking annoying. So is using "tweet" as a verb.
 
2013-03-30 04:03:23 PM  
Yeah, I'm sure my company will be all about sending me login info for a secure FTP with images of unannounced products via Twitter DM. Nothing that could go wrong with that at all, just ask Anthony Weiner.
 
kab
2013-03-30 04:27:45 PM  

Mugato: Twitter is farking annoying. So is using "tweet" as a verb.


Dear twitter users:  When you grace the internet with your insightful and remarkably clever character-limited insights, you're posting.  That's all.  There's nothing new, special, or different about it, and there was never ever a need for some idiotic phrase for it.
 
2013-03-30 04:34:04 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Academics phone.

And by that, we mean "we found one academic who prefers to use a phone".


I'm an academic and they took away my office phone five years ago. When I did the books at a Kwik-E-Mart 10 hours a week as a teenager, I had a goddamn office phone, but now that I'm Dr. semiotix I just have wires coming out of the wall where they ripped out the jack. (I guess to make sure I didn't bring my own phone from home.)

Actually, I'm not in any way upset by that, because I never used my office phone and I don't begrudge my employer the ten cell phone minutes a month I use to conduct official business. But would I give out my private cell number to students? Aw hell naw.
 
2013-03-30 04:36:07 PM  
Without sounding old, I'm gonna guess that some of the people quoted in the article are in their mid to early 20's.

/I sound old.
 
2013-03-30 04:40:53 PM  

The WindowLicker: I just wanted to highlight the unmitigated stupidity of these two quotes: "'Here's the thing: You hand people cards and they send you e-mail,' said Rudina Seseri, a partner at the Cambridge venture capital firm Fairhaven Capital, who no longer puts her e-mail address on business cards. 'If someone actually cares what I think, they can make an effort and follow me on Twitter.'"

These tell me two things.  First, she is a self important jackass.  "Make an effort" to follow her on twitter tells me that she uses that phrase for all kinds of meaningless, petty, and self centered demands on people who work for her.  Second "had people cards and they e-mail you" is sort of the point.  This is how communication works, it is a two way street. Telling people to follow her twitter just tells me that she wants to lecture but not actually have to bother listening to anyone.


It tells me she has tenure.
 
2013-03-30 04:41:10 PM  

Walt_Jizzney: Without sounding old, I'm gonna guess that some of the people quoted in the article are in their mid to early 20's.

/I sound old.


As a member of the mid-to-early 20s age group, I'm horribly offended that you'd equate these morons with my people.

/My ancestors were mid-to-early 20 year olds
//PROUD mid-to-early 20 year olds
///good day, sir
 
2013-03-30 05:00:49 PM  

markie_farkie: Good.

Maybe those 200-300 pesky emails per day I receive at work can finally be ignored.


You'd rather they be phone calls?
 
2013-03-30 05:03:38 PM  

red5ish: Twitter and Facebook, for example, each have messaging systems built in that replicate the direct - and private - contact e-mail provides, but have controls for users to limit who can contact them.

1. This made me laugh.
2. The author doesn't know how to use or manage email.


Eh, email is private enough.  I mean, it's almost exactly as private as intracorproate physical mail used to be.
 
2013-03-30 05:27:18 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: The WindowLicker: I just wanted to highlight the unmitigated stupidity of these two quotes: "'Here's the thing: You hand people cards and they send you e-mail,' said Rudina Seseri, a partner at the Cambridge venture capital firm Fairhaven Capital, who no longer puts her e-mail address on business cards. 'If someone actually cares what I think, they can make an effort and follow me on Twitter.'"

These tell me two things.  First, she is a self important jackass.  "Make an effort" to follow her on twitter tells me that she uses that phrase for all kinds of meaningless, petty, and self centered demands on people who work for her.  Second "had people cards and they e-mail you" is sort of the point.  This is how communication works, it is a two way street. Telling people to follow her twitter just tells me that she wants to lecture but not actually have to bother listening to anyone.

It tells me she has tenure.


I know people like to mock tenure, but a tenured corporate venture capitalist?  Seriously?
 
2013-03-30 05:27:42 PM  
The business applications of email are still too good to be dead.  When I had my last corporate job, email was perfect because it allowed instant communication, there was no "I'm driving so I can't talk now.", it was private (unlike Twitter), and pics could be added (unlike phone) if needed, as well as other needed documents.  Hell, many of my insurance clients like to have their policies emailed to them because it's faster and easier than mailing out a huge document.
 
2013-03-30 05:35:43 PM  
On a related note, I work at a facility where important notices are posted in the break room/lunchroom/cafeteria. One employee never goes in there and gripes when he doesn't know about some new policy or announcement.
 
2013-03-30 05:41:52 PM  

markie_farkie: Good.

Maybe those 200-300 pesky emails per day I receive at work can finally be ignored.


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2013-03-30 06:40:14 PM  
It would have been interesting to note the ages of these people.

The purchasing authority I have at my job makes me such a constant target of cold calls that I literally send every call to my voicemail. Clients leave messags, cold sales callers usually don't bother, realize that they are being screened, so its very effective for me.

I would never use Facebook or Twitter to communicate with any vendor or prospective vendor.  On the other hand, I do read emails, and any vendor who didn't read mine would lose our firm's business immediately. I guess my email filtering service is good enough to protect me from being inundated with spam, but that's the way I prefer to deal with other businesses, and so it will remain.
 
2013-03-30 06:44:28 PM  
Young people don't have email accounts because they don't have jobs.

You have a job, you have an email account. It's that simple.
 
2013-03-30 06:57:38 PM  
1.)  Buy a domain name (farker.com)
2.)  Setup the server to forward anything @ farker.com to your e-mail address
3.)  Whenever you need to give out an e-mail address, give a unique one.

For example....if you are ordering something from amazon use 'Am­azo­n­Ord­ers­[nospam-﹫-backwards]re­k­raF*co­m' if you sign up with your local bank use 'We­l­ls­Fargo[nospam-﹫-backwards]re­kraF­*com'

Now when you suddenly start getting spam you can tell which company sold you out - because the spam will be arriving from the account you ONLY gave to them.  Not only can you setup a rule to forward everything to that particular e-mail straight to your trash - you can vote with your wallet, make a fuss, and explain why you won't be doing business with companies that sell your e-mail address.
 
2013-03-30 07:04:14 PM  

Ambitwistor: TheShavingofOccam123: The WindowLicker: I just wanted to highlight the unmitigated stupidity of these two quotes: "'Here's the thing: You hand people cards and they send you e-mail,' said Rudina Seseri, a partner at the Cambridge venture capital firm Fairhaven Capital, who no longer puts her e-mail address on business cards. 'If someone actually cares what I think, they can make an effort and follow me on Twitter.'"

These tell me two things.  First, she is a self important jackass.  "Make an effort" to follow her on twitter tells me that she uses that phrase for all kinds of meaningless, petty, and self centered demands on people who work for her.  Second "had people cards and they e-mail you" is sort of the point.  This is how communication works, it is a two way street. Telling people to follow her twitter just tells me that she wants to lecture but not actually have to bother listening to anyone.

It tells me she has tenure.

I know people like to mock tenure, but a tenured corporate venture capitalist?  Seriously?


Reading an article BEFORE making an uninformed snarky comment? FARK YEAH!!1!

/sorry....next time I'll read the article before posting...i swear...
 
2013-03-30 07:19:13 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: 1.)  Buy a domain name (farker.com)
2.)  Setup the server to forward anything @ farker.com to your e-mail address
3.)  Whenever you need to give out an e-mail address, give a unique one.

For example....if you are ordering something from amazon use 'AmazonOrders[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]rekraF[* image 7x13]com' if you sign up with your local bank use 'WellsFargo[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]rekraF[* image 7x13]com'

Now when you suddenly start getting spam you can tell which company sold you out - because the spam will be arriving from the account you ONLY gave to them.  Not only can you setup a rule to forward everything to that particular e-mail straight to your trash - you can vote with your wallet, make a fuss, and explain why you won't be doing business with companies that sell your e-mail address.


Or you can just use Gmail. I've had my account since it was invite-only and use it for shopping and everything, and I never see any spam reach my inbox that wasn't because I forgot to uncheck a box when ordering or signing up for something.
 
2013-03-30 07:36:58 PM  
How come everyone who claims to be dialed in to trends and social media is always so farking wrong?
 
2013-03-30 07:37:06 PM  
I can send a file in my email
I can get messages from my email telling me if some one read it
I can do all sorts of cool and l33t3 Spam filtering tricks

Email is superior
 
2013-03-30 07:41:02 PM  
Attachments.

Also, fark Twitter.
 
2013-03-30 07:50:01 PM  

portnoyd: Attachments.

Also, fark Twitter.


Also BCC

Having an A-Hole you have to email

BCC to some one who can go to your boss "here was the email he sent, I saw it"
 
2013-03-30 08:35:35 PM  
Since I am an IT consultant and deal with auditors email gives me the old  paper trail I need to show that an individual has communicated with me. I print off the very important emails and save the emails in three places in soft copy. Just learn how to organize your email and use the junk filters and in box folders.

Guess the writer of the article is not very savvy when it comes to electronic communications. I bet  the writer throws away snail mail bills.
 
2013-03-30 09:48:43 PM  
Really?

I work for a university, and we email the shiat out each other on a daily basis...
 
2013-03-30 10:16:56 PM  
I send and receive all text messages via email and receive all voicemail via email, so I'm getting a kick.
 
2013-03-30 10:23:05 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: 1.)  Buy a domain name (farker.com)
2.)  Setup the server to forward anything @ farker.com to your e-mail address
3.)  Whenever you need to give out an e-mail address, give a unique one.

For example....if you are ordering something from amazon use 'AmazonOrders[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]rekraF[* image 7x13]com' if you sign up with your local bank use 'WellsFargo[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]rekraF[* image 7x13]com'

Now when you suddenly start getting spam you can tell which company sold you out - because the spam will be arriving from the account you ONLY gave to them.  Not only can you setup a rule to forward everything to that particular e-mail straight to your trash - you can vote with your wallet, make a fuss, and explain why you won't be doing business with companies that sell your e-mail address.


I used to do that.  My generic email listed publicly was mammal@ so that i wouldn't get tons of spam, and that was the only real inbox on the server.  Everything else was sorted to different folders so I didn't need to wade through tons of spam to get to what I wanted.

Then gmail came along.  If it's a legit company, I opt out and never see them again.  If it's not, the spam filter seems to catch it.  It works really well, and I don't really give a shiat about privacy anyway.  Hell, I post on Fark under my real name through open WiFi on my cell phone regularly.
 
2013-03-30 10:29:57 PM  
The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: The old ways are best. That's why I use smoke signals.

Thats why I use Pony express.
 
2013-03-31 12:08:47 AM  
Article:  With billions of e-mails shooting around the world every day, clogging Gmail and Yahoo accounts everywhere, many are recoiling from the torrent.

Headline:  Email is dead.
 
2013-03-31 12:31:58 AM  
There is no way I could take a business or professional seriously if they expected me to contact them via Twitter or Facebook. If they handed me a card and that was their contact info I'd simply hand it back to them.
 
2013-03-31 12:47:58 AM  
The same people who think email is dead are the ones who end up having Microsoft, google, yahoo, ask.com and a bunch of other random toolbars installed on their computers. They haven't a farking CLUE.
 
2013-03-31 01:03:58 AM  
Long live e-mail.
 
2013-03-31 01:07:35 AM  
100% bullshiat
 
2013-03-31 01:30:32 AM  

Primum: How hard is it to manage your inbox? Every time I get something I don't want, I unsubscribe. Do that from the beginning and there is no deluge of email. I get like two or three e-mails a day. Even my work mail only gets like 10 to 15 a day.


Same here.   I guess we're both unimportant.
 
2013-03-31 01:36:37 AM  

ReapTheChaos: There is no way I could take a business or professional seriously if they expected me to contact them via Twitter or Facebook. If they handed me a card and that was their contact info I'd simply hand it back to them.


What if it had an email address @goatse.cx?  SFW, just the Wiki entry.
 
2013-03-31 01:37:35 AM  
Huh.  That's the first Wikipedia URL that Fark has rejected on me.
 
2013-03-31 02:23:24 AM  

Lunchlady: How come everyone who claims to be dialed in to trends and social media is always so farking wrong?


Number of people who will click on an article that says email is dead: 45,829
Number of people who will click on an article that says email is just fine: 273
 
2013-03-31 03:58:50 AM  

John Buck 41: kab: Email dead?  Keep telling yourself that subby.

"Here's the thing: You hand people cards and they send you e-mail," said Rudina Seseri, a partner at the Cambridge venture capital firm Fairhaven Capital, who no longer puts her e-mail address on business cards. "If someone actually cares what I think, they can make an effort and follow me on Twitter."

Here's the thing.   Anyone who wants to do business with you likely doesn't care what you think of anything else.  So good luck with that whole 'make an effort' thing.

Who cares what this pompous twat thinks?


E-mail is antiquated and useless, but paper business cards are the wave of the future.
 
2013-03-31 08:31:37 AM  
yea, and we'll never need more than 640KB of ram either.
 
2013-03-31 09:12:31 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Or you can just use Gmail. I've had my account since it was invite-only and use it for shopping and everything, and I never see any spam reach my inbox that wasn't because I forgot to uncheck a box when ordering or signing up for something.


THIS. It cracks me up when my dad complains about all the spam he gets. I never, ever, get any spam on gmail that i didn't accidentally sign up for. I literally get 5-6 emails a day from people I know, and nothing else, in my inbox. I've had ONE email that was mis-labeled as spam.
 
2013-03-31 09:39:06 AM  
"If it's urgent, or important, then by God, they'll call," said Gunn, who has been on a yearlong campaign to take back control of his inbox after it became overrun with virtual junk and superfluous messages.

Or you'll start getting interrupted by more phone calls that aren't urgent.  Let us know how that goes.
 
2013-03-31 10:03:22 AM  

highwayrun: John Buck 41: kab: Email dead?  Keep telling yourself that subby.

"Here's the thing: You hand people cards and they send you e-mail," said Rudina Seseri, a partner at the Cambridge venture capital firm Fairhaven Capital, who no longer puts her e-mail address on business cards. "If someone actually cares what I think, they can make an effort and follow me on Twitter."

Here's the thing.   Anyone who wants to do business with you likely doesn't care what you think of anything else.  So good luck with that whole 'make an effort' thing.

Who cares what this pompous twat thinks?

E-mail is antiquated and useless, but paper business cards are the wave of the future.


ts4.mm.bing.net

Does email have tasteful thickness?  I think not.
 
2013-03-31 10:06:55 AM  

heypete: *shrugs* Is spam a problem? Sure, but filters are efficient and screen out all but the most novel spam. My personal account gets thousands of spams per month. I think I have maybe 1-2 per week actually make it into my inbox (where they promptly get fed into the filter).

I have filters that sort my incoming mail into different folders for my review. Routine stuff (like log messages) goes into a rarely-checked folder which higher-priority stuff gets goes into a folder that I check more often.

The advantage of email as a decentralized federation of systems speaking a common protocol is nice -- I can switch mail providers with ease (I have my own domain, so switching is easy and I don't need to change my address) and can still communicate with everyone I know. Switching away from, say, Facebook, doesn't work nearly as well.

It's simple, it works, and it gets the job done.


This. I run a network with about 1000 users. I don't allow internal spam (i.e. Everyone look at this picture of Jan from accounting! She just got engaged!), I have two spam filters, one run by a third party to monitor and filter widely known spam, and an internal system that allows me to add and remove specific addresses as needed and has a user portal for end users to check once each week. The only calls I get are from people who still refer to subscription emails they signed up for as "spam" in which case I point them to the unsubscribe link at the bottom. And that only happens once or twice yearly. Bottom line is if you're smart about how you use email it's simple, reliable, efficient, and virtually maintenance free.
 
2013-03-31 10:28:41 AM  
I like everything in email. Paper trail, for when our consultants and clients try to pull shady shiat.
 
2013-03-31 10:37:29 AM  
If email is dead, how come my oncalls are so freaking cray cray?
 
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