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(Boston.com)   Email is dead. Academics phone. Venture capitalists tweet   (boston.com) divider line 107
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2013-03-30 08:26:42 AM
well then what should we do at work for confirmation of email accounts
 
2013-03-30 10:01:28 AM
Boston?  It's not a big college town.
 
2013-03-30 10:23:31 AM
"Email is Dead."

Michael B. Farrell can be reached at  mi­chae­l*f­arrell[nospam-﹫-backwards]eb­ol­g­*com
 
2013-03-30 10:26:20 AM
Can we file this in the same folder as "the PC is dead"?
 
2013-03-30 11:23:54 AM
Good.

Maybe those 200-300 pesky emails per day I receive at work can finally be ignored.
 
2013-03-30 12:03:42 PM
I've recently gone on an unsubscribing binge with my work email. Every goddamn time I buy something from an online retailer I start getting junk mail from them. My inbox is a lot less cluttered now.

My gmail is a trainwreck, though. Almost to the point where I don't even check it but once every few days. I've even stopped deleting stuff in it because it's just too much crap.
 
2013-03-30 12:36:21 PM
Email is dead.

Um, yeah. I work in a company that sends from 10 to 200 emails internally a day, some of which a good 10 at least need to be responded to.

Not everyone is going to sit on the tweeters for internally-sensitive details, and chat is just a really poor substitute for email due to its never ending stream of suck.

Writers that declare "the end of" usually have a reason for marketing themselves as "being out in front of" something else. And are usually full of crap.
 
2013-03-30 12:38:43 PM
"E-mail is broken," said Anna Rosenman, senior product marketing manager at Salesforce. "E-mail is one-to-one communication, and that's not how we need to be communicating."

I think we found the spammer.
 
2013-03-30 12:46:28 PM
Manage your email. Use a dumping one for spam/purchases and a real one for communication. Also try unsubscribing from mail lists and block problems.

I flagged my teatard uncle as spam in my gmail account, and my inbox has been noticeably cleaner.
 
2013-03-30 12:49:42 PM
I got to 'E-mail is one-to-one communication, and that's not how we need to be communicating' and had to stop. Every email thread I've participated in for years has been group collaboration. It's pretty clear that anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't actually produce anything or make any decisions of importance.
 
2013-03-30 12:50:21 PM
The old ways are best. That's why I use smoke signals.
 
2013-03-30 12:51:09 PM
I just wanted to highlight the unmitigated stupidity of these two quotes: "'Here's the thing: You hand people cards and they send you e-mail,' said Rudina Seseri, a partner at the Cambridge venture capital firm Fairhaven Capital, who no longer puts her e-mail address on business cards. 'If someone actually cares what I think, they can make an effort and follow me on Twitter.'"

These tell me two things.  First, she is a self important jackass.  "Make an effort" to follow her on twitter tells me that she uses that phrase for all kinds of meaningless, petty, and self centered demands on people who work for her.  Second "had people cards and they e-mail you" is sort of the point.  This is how communication works, it is a two way street. Telling people to follow her twitter just tells me that she wants to lecture but not actually have to bother listening to anyone.
 
2013-03-30 12:51:33 PM
Um yeah, email is about as dead as me. It may be waning, but has a very long way to go before obsolescence.
 
2013-03-30 12:53:47 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Manage your email. Use a dumping one for spam/purchases and a real one for communication. Also try unsubscribing from mail lists and block problems.

I flagged my teatard uncle as spam in my gmail account, and my inbox has been noticeably cleaner.


Whitelisting.   Everyone goes to junk unless I've otherwise filtered them.   It's rare that someone ends up in the junk folder that doesn't belong there.

And I do the two accounts thing too.
 
2013-03-30 12:59:53 PM
That's fascinating.  I read a lot of email myself.

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2013-03-30 01:01:06 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Manage your email. Use a dumping one for spam/purchases and a real one for communication. Also try unsubscribing from mail lists and block problems.

I flagged my teatard uncle as spam in my gmail account, and my inbox has been noticeably cleaner.


Meh.  My primary e-mail for communication has a few thousand unread messages.  The simple fact is that I'm copied on anything and everything.  If my employees, boss, or friends need something urgent from me they will text me.  For non-urgent stuff - they will wait when I'm online and IM me.

/i haven't picked up a phone call in a couple of years
 
2013-03-30 01:02:08 PM

rooftop235: Um yeah, email is about as dead as me. It may be waning, but has a very long way to go before obsolescence.


...he said, tempting fate.
 
2013-03-30 01:07:21 PM
"Email is dead, Twitter/Facebook/chat/text is better!" TFA is seriously trying to claim that the unmigitated pile of suck that is Twitter is somehow more useful than email? I used to hear that all the time about IM as well, and I haven't seen anyone using that where I work in ages.
Yeah, email is a pain to deal with a lot of the time. But it allows multi-way, semi-private, logged and timestamped communication. It's not beholden to some private corporation that has a business model built solely around harvesting your private details and selling them to spammers. It allows attachments of random filetype. There are a thousand clients to choose from. It exists on every single device ever created in the last 40 years. There are robust search tools that let you sift through 10 years of stuff in seconds.
When you can get that from some other platform let me know, because none of the alternatives come close.
 
2013-03-30 01:10:42 PM

Dinki: Can we file this in the same folder as "the PC is dead"?


No, this is even more laughable.
 
2013-03-30 01:11:11 PM
When and IF email dies or is ever considered dead it will be extremely redundant to say that it has died.

It would be like saying AOL is dead and trying to be ultra-meta about it today.

-if email were actually dead.
 
2013-03-30 01:13:58 PM
Email is dead, say idiots and some people trying to sell an alternative to email.

What happens if Twitter dumps all your tweets from a year ago, or charges you for a premium service to see Tweets older than a week ago? All these services are like a Faustian deal. You sign up, get services for free, but they're going to make you pay for it, one way or another.

At least email, with a domain has competition.
 
2013-03-30 01:16:15 PM
Twitter and Facebook, for example, each have messaging systems built in that replicate the direct - and private - contact e-mail provides, but have controls for users to limit who can contact them.

1. This made me laugh.
2. The author doesn't know how to use or manage email.

"I check Facebook first, then Twitter, then Instagram after that," said Kate Scott, a 21-year-old Boston University student.

3. I laughed even harder.
 
2013-03-30 01:17:16 PM
There are a few reasons to write this article, any or all of which may have been on michael-dot-ferrell-at-globe-dot-com's mind.

1. My audience is mostly 60-year-olds who just got on AOL and won't have any basis for disbelieving me
2. I'm on deadline
3. Thirty years from now, when e-mail has changed to the point where it's not really the same kind of thing as it is now, I'll be able to point to this article from waaaaaaaaaaaay back in 2013 and look like a visionary genius.
4. 99% of the people who read this use e-mail dozens of times a day, and will freak out over this outrageous claim I'm making, which will lead to comments and social-media sharing and click-throughs from content-aggregator sites like Fark.com.

But let's not pretend he's serious about this.
 
2013-03-30 01:18:58 PM

farkeruk: What happens if Twitter dumps all your tweets from a year ago, or charges you for a premium service to see Tweets older than a week ago? All these services are like a Faustian deal. You sign up, get services for free, but they're going to make you pay for it, one way or another.


Now that's just nonsense. Why would companies with a cornered market try to exploit that for personal profit, especially when they know that inertia will keep most customers through the little changes? Twitter and Facebook offer free services out of the goodness of their heart!

Also, I'm looking to buy a bridge, preferably in the Brooklyn area. I can pay with large boxes of cash.
 
2013-03-30 01:21:46 PM
"If it's urgent, or important, then by God, they'll call."

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2013-03-30 01:25:31 PM
For any government agency on in any business, e-mail is not only about communication, but documentation.

It won't die.
 
2013-03-30 01:29:31 PM

rooftop235: Um yeah, email is about as dead as me. It may be waning, but has a very long way to go before obsolescence.


As an undergraduate research assistant for an engineering lab at a major state university... this.

I don't know my doctors' phone numbers. I don't want to, either. It's great to have the record to look back upon, too.

Every few months someone says that email is "dying". More people have access to it now than ever before, and we can send emails wherever we are. It may evolve and may be replaced by other methods in some uses, but it's hardly dying.
 
2013-03-30 01:31:35 PM
Everyone bemoaning email in that article was selling a product that replaces it. Duh.

I LOL'd at the guy who said he hasn't sent email in 5 years. If the entirety of his professional communication has been internal, I'm surprised he's still employed.
 
2013-03-30 01:36:11 PM

Kuta: Everyone bemoaning email in that article was selling a product that replaces it. Duh.

I LOL'd at the guy who said he hasn't sent email in 5 years. If the entirety of his professional communication has been internal, I'm surprised he's still employed.


I rarely need to send an e-mail from my work account, but it's been less than 5 years since the last one I sent.
 
2013-03-30 01:38:16 PM
*shrugs* Is spam a problem? Sure, but filters are efficient and screen out all but the most novel spam. My personal account gets thousands of spams per month. I think I have maybe 1-2 per week actually make it into my inbox (where they promptly get fed into the filter).

I have filters that sort my incoming mail into different folders for my review. Routine stuff (like log messages) goes into a rarely-checked folder which higher-priority stuff gets goes into a folder that I check more often.

The advantage of email as a decentralized federation of systems speaking a common protocol is nice -- I can switch mail providers with ease (I have my own domain, so switching is easy and I don't need to change my address) and can still communicate with everyone I know. Switching away from, say, Facebook, doesn't work nearly as well.

It's simple, it works, and it gets the job done.
 
2013-03-30 01:41:58 PM
Damn, and just as I was getting used to it, too.

/still pay bills with checks and stamps. ya rully
 
2013-03-30 01:44:20 PM
"Just as we moved from paper memos to e-mail, we will see this shift persist,"

The shift from email to?  Dumb article

1-1, 1-M, M-M, had many an email thread, chat and if needed phone conference.  Can throw in a dash of Join.me for those visual types.  I like email as a paper trail.

Not really seeing email being phased out.
 
2013-03-30 01:44:32 PM
Yeah, lets do business over twitter.

Here's your detailed project status report Mr. Client:

sched r fkd #iquit
 
2013-03-30 01:50:27 PM
Twitter is stupid as shiat. So is Facebook. Sadly, my company has both and forces us to use them.
 
2013-03-30 01:50:34 PM
Television is going right along with it. I only listen radio programs myself.
 
kab
2013-03-30 01:57:01 PM
Email dead?  Keep telling yourself that subby.

"Here's the thing: You hand people cards and they send you e-mail," said Rudina Seseri, a partner at the Cambridge venture capital firm Fairhaven Capital, who no longer puts her e-mail address on business cards. "If someone actually cares what I think, they can make an effort and follow me on Twitter."

Here's the thing.   Anyone who wants to do business with you likely doesn't care what you think of anything else.  So good luck with that whole 'make an effort' thing.
 
2013-03-30 02:07:51 PM

b0rscht: "Email is Dead."

Michael B. Farrell can be reached at  michael[* image 7x13]farrell[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]ebolg[* image 7x13]com


OWNED!!!
 
2013-03-30 02:09:00 PM
Whose got time for a email reply?  I just text, much quicker.
 
2013-03-30 02:10:31 PM

The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: The old ways are best. That's why I use smoke signals.


Pfft. I use Morse code.

No, seriously, I actually do.  Thursday, while driving home from work, I chatted with Paul KW7D in New Mexico, Ken N7OG in Utah, Raymond HR9/WQ7R in Honduras, and Lorenzo HI3LFE in the Dominican Republic.

Right before lunch today, I chatted with Ian VE3AYA in Toronto, and early this morning I had a nice conversation with Bob KC8MFF in West Virginia.

All with Morse code.
 
2013-03-30 02:11:45 PM
The WindowLicker:  This is how communication works, it is a two way street. Telling people to follow her twitter just tells me that she wants to lecture but not actually have to bother listening to anyone.

It is what I call the culture of audience: everyone shouts at everyone else. This is a long run recipe for social dysfunction because there is no give and take that happens in an actual conversation. It actually represents an underlying hostility towards people. The other problem with it is that there is no such thing as a free lunch. I stopped using Twitter because I got sick of all the ads appearing in my feed; at least with e-mail I can delete the ad without reading it. E-mail has its issue, I do not deny it. But shouting to heard over the din leads to a social arms race where no one is the winner.
 
2013-03-30 02:13:10 PM

farkeruk: You sign up, get services for free, but they're going to make you pay for it, one way or another.


What you have to understand about Facebook, Twitter, and the like is that you aren't the customer, you are the product.
 
2013-03-30 02:13:41 PM
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2013-03-30 02:22:01 PM
God, I wish I could kill email. I really really wish it to be dead.

My users want email notifications about  everything. "User X did Y in application Q." And then,  then they complain that they get too many emails. But the next time a feature is added or modified, they want email notifications about it.
 
2013-03-30 02:24:03 PM

kab: Email dead?  Keep telling yourself that subby.

"Here's the thing: You hand people cards and they send you e-mail," said Rudina Seseri, a partner at the Cambridge venture capital firm Fairhaven Capital, who no longer puts her e-mail address on business cards. "If someone actually cares what I think, they can make an effort and follow me on Twitter."

Here's the thing.   Anyone who wants to do business with you likely doesn't care what you think of anything else.  So good luck with that whole 'make an effort' thing.


Who cares what this pompous twat thinks?
 
2013-03-30 02:28:12 PM
Public email in the sense of "Here is my email address" on your business card is dead.  I carry two business cards, one lists a group email address that copies to myself and two other managers, plus a secretary.  I hand that one out to random people I meet and the secretary is expected to handle all emails that go to that account.  I have a filter that marks them as read and tosses them in a sub folder.  If something important comes in on that account, the secretary brings it to my attention.  I have a second card with things like my email, my work issue cell number, etc that I pass around to people who have a business need to get in contact with me.  It's no different really than 20 years ago when calls to the general office number were screened and only some people knew how to direct dial your extension.

Now business cards with Twitter and the like just make me think you're a self aggrandizing douchebag who wants to business 140 characters at a time and publicly so everyone can see how successful you are.   Ten years ago you were the guy bragging how the CEO emailed now, now you want him to Tweet so you can brag about that.
 
2013-03-30 02:28:30 PM

Generation_D: Email is dead.

Um, yeah. I work in a company that sends from 10 to 200 emails internally a day, some of which a good 10 at least need to be responded to.

Not everyone is going to sit on the tweeters for internally-sensitive details, and chat is just a really poor substitute for email due to its never ending stream of suck.

Writers that declare "the end of" usually have a reason for marketing themselves as "being out in front of" something else. And are usually full of crap.


My company has a zero internal email policy. Trying to drive us on to Communicator, communal wikis & blogs. Think we are a few decent bits of software away from being able to do it.
 
2013-03-30 02:31:51 PM
I should also mention I've gotten really good at going into meetings, detecting who is a worthless drone from sales and who is an engineer who I actually want to talk to.  Then I do a fun little game where I palm my real business card and hand it to the engineer but pass out the general ones to everyone else.
 
2013-03-30 02:32:31 PM

t3knomanser: God, I wish I could kill email. I really really wish it to be dead.

My users want email notifications about  everything. "User X did Y in application Q." And then,  then they complain that they get too many emails. But the next time a feature is added or modified, they want email notifications about it.


Hourly (or longer interval) digest emails maybe?
 
2013-03-30 02:35:05 PM

red5ish: Twitter and Facebook, for example, each have messaging systems built in that replicate the direct - and private - contact e-mail provides, but have controls for users to limit who can contact them.

1. This made me laugh.
2. The author doesn't know how to use or manage email.

"I check Facebook first, then Twitter, then Instagram after that," said Kate Scott, a 21-year-old Boston University student.

3. I laughed even harder.


So I guess this snowflake's in for a surprise when her first non university employer expects her responses by email and her happy ass in a conference room by calendaring.
 
2013-03-30 02:36:28 PM

ha-ha-guy: I should also mention I've gotten really good at going into meetings, detecting who is a worthless drone from sales and who is an engineer who I actually want to talk to.  Then I do a fun little game where I palm my real business card and hand it to the engineer but pass out the general ones to everyone else.


Are you a magician? A wizard?
 
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