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2013-03-30 11:53:41 AM
7 votes:
The War on Drugs © : Making the 4th Amendment obsolete since 1971
2013-03-30 11:24:27 AM
7 votes:
Growing your own food? Hell ya that's illegal. "Buy Monsanto Act" 2013 just passed Congress.
2013-03-30 12:35:20 PM
5 votes:
Step 1) build growhouse and stock it with tomato plants at first
Step 2) make sure it gets raided by soon-to-be-embarrassed police
Step 3) Switch it out for pot, knowing sheriff's department doesn't want another lawsuit..
2013-03-30 02:07:48 PM
4 votes:

CruiserTwelve: By the way, where's the profit in marijuana raids?


Two words:  Asset Forfeiture
2013-03-30 01:14:23 PM
4 votes:
Yes, the police should pay. Obviously, they had no probable cause. You do not lose your 4th amendment rights because you buy a small amount of gardening supplies.

Imagine where they could go with this....


"I noticed you bought a digital camera and have a computer with internet. It has come to our attention that most child pornographers have the same set-up! Here's your warrant."

"I noticed that you bought a knife and some duct tape. It has come to our attention that murderers and kidnappers use these same tools. Here's your warrant."

"I noticed that you have a car in the driveway, Extensive research has determined most bank robbery getaway vehicles are cars. Here's your warrant."

"I noticed that you have a towel. Terrorist? Here's your warrant."
2013-03-30 12:27:26 PM
4 votes:

Uisce Beatha: The War on Drugs © : Making the 4th Amendment obsolete since 1971


1920.  This shiat started during prohibition.
2013-03-30 11:42:15 AM
4 votes:
FTFA: Two former CIA employees

Why do I get the feeling the sheriff will be on the losing end of this one.
2013-03-30 01:00:02 PM
3 votes:

gingerjet: way south: There were millions of places they could have gone, but obviously you're doing something wrong enough to get their attention.

Yes.  Its always the victims fault.  And never incompetent police.  Always.


This...

Hobodeluxe: Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.

how does one "act like they are growing pot"?


and this.

There ought to be a button for "Stupid".
2013-03-30 12:43:36 PM
3 votes:
f*cking ignorant, incompetent, criminal and out of control law enforcement.

typical.
2013-03-30 12:39:00 PM
3 votes:

Somaticasual: Step 1) build growhouse and stock it with tomato plants at first
Step 2) make sure it gets raided by soon-to-be-embarrassed police
Step 3) Switch it out for pot, knowing sheriff's department doesn't want another lawsuit..


Or, just take the settlement money from the civil rights lawsuit and go live in a state that legalized it.
2013-03-30 12:23:46 PM
3 votes:
FTA But the Hartes' attorney, Cheryl Pilate, said she suspects the couple's 1,825-square-foot split level was targeted because they had bought hydroponic equipment to grow a small number of tomatoes and squash plants in their basement.

I hope their attorney crucifies the police dept in court.
2013-03-30 02:37:48 PM
2 votes:

Amos Quito: Boy, there's a LOT of cop hate in this thread.

What none of you seem to understand is that the government is perfectly within its rights to enter your home or your yard and to confiscate and destroy ANY plant - whether it be "legal" or "illegal", tomatoes, squash, marijuana or opium poppies.

Their authority to do so is clear - under the "Commerce Clause" (United States Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 3), and has been repeatedly upheld by the courts - including the United States Supreme Court see Wickard v. Filburn and Gonzales v. Raich.

You want to "grow your own"? Fine, take the chance, but don't be surprised when armed agents show up at your door, constitutionally authorized to shut you down.

/And stop with the cop hate. They're just doing their jobs


Yeah, see, the Commerce Clause is not the issue here and I'm sure you know that. Also, I don't specifically hate the cops - I hate the laws that allow the cops to do things like this, the near-total immunity from wrongdoing they enjoy when they screw it up and I also think it is worth pointing out that many of the worst acts in human history have been committed by people "just doing their jobs".

Not that I think a poorly-justified raid on an indoor vegetable garden is even on the radar as one of the worst acts in human history, mind you. It's not. It's just good old fashioned bad police work and I think they deserve being taken to task for it.
2013-03-30 01:38:08 PM
2 votes:

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


You are an idiot. Shut up, idiot.
2013-03-30 01:09:55 PM
2 votes:

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


Boot licker.

Ignore the part where they stormed the house, while small children were inside, with artillery and body armor.
2013-03-30 12:46:47 PM
2 votes:

weapon13: kth: Uh oh. We bought hydroponic growing supplies to start seedlings...

The MJ kind? That's why I bought mine.


Go to a hippy store and buy hydroponics supplies and you might be placed on a watch list, hell you have already handed the police probable cause.

Go to home depot, buy some water pumps, 2$ buckets and tubing.  Nobody notices, your probably making a pond.
2013-03-30 12:45:27 PM
2 votes:

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


you always wanted a big brother didn't you?
2013-03-30 12:40:07 PM
2 votes:
Can We End This Ridiculous War On Drugs And Stop Terrorizing Innocent People...
2013-03-30 12:37:43 PM
2 votes:

YoOjo: basemetal: I have a small greenhouse in my back yard, around 8' X 12'.  I use it to overwinter stuff, start seeds, extend growing seasons on cherry tomatoes and some peppers.  It's funny how when anyone is in the back yard, (lawn treatments, there's a phone junction back there, a raised manhole cover for city sewer lines, and power lines that trees need to be trimmed, utilities) the workers always have to look in there. Sometimes i just watch them as they look disappointed that there are only regular everyday things in there.

Huh, that's a shooting, right there. Oh yes!!
Or don't you have the massive and cripplingly dysfunctional paranoia and a persecution complex or something?


It costs too damn much money to shoot someone, justified or not.

/and I doubt any court would let me off for someone looking in my greenhouse
//even here in gun land

bugmn99: Good time to break out the mannequin duct taped to a metal chair with a burlap sack over its head.


Now that would be kind of fun, set up a wireless surveillance camera, youtube sensation, baby!
2013-03-30 12:28:53 PM
2 votes:
It sounds to me like the lawn and garden center ratted them out. I would sue them.
2013-03-30 12:27:22 PM
2 votes:
It's only a matter of time until Monsanto hires their own police to start doing raids on dangerous criminals like this!  Better have your papers of where you got your seeds, citizen.
2013-03-30 12:18:44 PM
2 votes:
You mean to say that police officers would lie under oath to secure a warrant?
2013-03-30 11:39:35 PM
1 votes:
Smirky - WOW. I wouldn't hesitate to tell her exactly why you never visit. What a biatch; that's not family, that's meddling power-hungry, ladder-climbing narc behavior.

/she says while trying to figure out the easiest way to ignore her BIL for the rest of eternity...
2013-03-30 05:40:53 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Boy, there's a LOT of cop hate in this thread.


When it comes to the drug war it's very justified.
2013-03-30 03:36:08 PM
1 votes:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
2013-03-30 02:33:09 PM
1 votes:

bearcats1983: Went to a friend's apartment a few years ago to watch a game. He showed me this ingenious grow operation he built in his laundry room. Using forced oxygen, grow lights, and a timed watering system, his plants were all around six feet tall. It was all impressive, but I have to admit I was nervous as shiat the cops were going to bust in at any moment.

/csb


What part of "nothing you say on the internet is anonymous or untraceable" don't you get?
2013-03-30 02:29:27 PM
1 votes:
Went to a friend's apartment a few years ago to watch a game. He showed me this ingenious grow operation he built in his laundry room. Using forced oxygen, grow lights, and a timed watering system, his plants were all around six feet tall. It was all impressive, but I have to admit I was nervous as shiat the cops were going to bust in at any moment.

/csb
2013-03-30 01:58:36 PM
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: snocone: Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.

Just like the cops.
Where do they find that many stupid fools? I mean, you can't even find a decent human to do TSA's work, and here we have all these nifty SWAT types,,, They KNOW that marijuana is harmless and just a profitable cop funding witch hunt. Don't they?

I will give 100 to 1 odds, at least 50% of them use MJ.

While I agree that marijuana is virtually harmless and should be legalized (we're almost there in Colorado), it's still illegal in most states. The cops didn't make it illegal, the people, through their elected representatives, did. The cops are just enforcing the law since that's their basic purpose.

I doubt anywhere near 50% of cops use MJ. Most police agencies subject their employees to random drug tests and I doubt there are many cops willing to lose their job over marijuana use. Most cops that use drugs choose alcohol.

When a raid based on a search warrant is conducted, the cops must leave a copy of the warrant. They don't have to leave a copy of the affidavit that was filed in support of the warrant. The affidavit has all the details that were reported to the judge, the warrant itself just says the judge found probable cause for the search.

I'd like to see the affidavit in this case. I'm guessing it was based solely on the purchases made by the homeowners, and that's not enough for a warrant. Either there's something the homeowners aren't saying, or the affidavit contained false or misleading information. Or the judge didn't look very closely at the facts contained therein and just "rubber stamped" the warrant.

By the way, where's the profit in marijuana raids?


Let's just agree to disagree.
You do not want me farking with your paradigms.

And thanks for your service.
2013-03-30 01:50:23 PM
1 votes:
Dear cop, fark you, pig.
2013-03-30 01:41:11 PM
1 votes:

snocone: GORDON: Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.

Boot licker.

Ignore the part where they stormed the house, while small children were inside, with artillery and body armor.

Oh, so you think the whole job could have been done by one pleasant, unarmed person offering a free sample of colorburst at the door, invited in to discuss greenthumbing and got a tour of the grow?
Gee,,,

wouldn't it be nice


Or here's a novel idea:  How about the cops go the fark away unless there is good reason that a crime is being committed?  And here's another one:  Legalize it.
2013-03-30 01:16:43 PM
1 votes:
Don't you farking DARE grow warm weather fruit and veg in your basement during winter, citizen. I don't give a shart if it helps you bond with your son and teach him lessons about responsibility. He's probably a pothead anyways.
2013-03-30 01:09:18 PM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.

There's this gem of a paragraph:

April 20 long has been used by marijuana enthusiasts to celebrate the illegal drug and more recently by law enforcement for raids and crackdowns. But the Hartes' attorney, Cheryl Pilate, said she suspects the couple's 1,825-square-foot split level was targeted because they had bought hydroponic equipment to grow a small number of tomatoes and squash plants in their basement

/looks at calendar
//looks back at article
//* blink * blink *


You should know you need to suspend disbelief when entering the bizzaro world of cops/media/marijuana.
Just like a Star Wars movie.
2013-03-30 01:07:52 PM
1 votes:
This raid brought to you by Monsanto and ConAgra. Buy your food through proper channels, citizen, if you know what's good for ya.
2013-03-30 01:07:26 PM
1 votes:
Lucky the po po didn't shoot the dog
2013-03-30 01:06:44 PM
1 votes:

Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.


Just like the cops.
Where do they find that many stupid fools? I mean, you can't even find a decent human to do TSA's work, and here we have all these nifty SWAT types,,, They KNOW that marijuana is harmless and just a profitable cop funding witch hunt. Don't they?

I will give 100 to 1 odds, at least 50% of them use MJ.
2013-03-30 01:00:57 PM
1 votes:

Hobodeluxe: tukatz: They were improperly targeted. But it probably started from their purchase of hydroponic supplies, not just the lights and planting supplies.

see that right there is not justification for a warrant. nor a stakeout.


It is when you got this nifty SWAT unit all jacked up w/ nuttin' to do.
2013-03-30 12:58:06 PM
1 votes:

tukatz: They were improperly targeted. But it probably started from their purchase of hydroponic supplies, not just the lights and planting supplies.


see that right there is not justification for a warrant. nor a stakeout.
2013-03-30 12:55:07 PM
1 votes:

way south: There were millions of places they could have gone, but obviously you're doing something wrong enough to get their attention.


Yes.  Its always the victims fault.  And never incompetent police.  Always.
2013-03-30 12:55:05 PM
1 votes:

ladyfortuna: Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot TOMATOES
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.

You know how I know you don't know anything about gardening versus growing pot?


They were improperly targeted.  But it probably started from their purchase of hydroponic supplies, not just the lights and planting supplies.  Many of the higher end pot systems are using hydroponic.

(Want great growing tips?  Buy some of those ridiculous marijuana grower magazines (which will also get you flagged).  They may be useless drug dealers, but they are determined when it comes to the grow.  Great fertilizer tips.
2013-03-30 12:54:15 PM
1 votes:
Every time I see the cops pulling into the apartment complex, it always runs through my mind that my door is going to be the next one they knock on (or knock in as the case sometimes is).  I grow most of my plants under lights in semi-hydro fashion.  After dark, my bedroom window illuminates the whole corner of my building even with the blinds closed and my neighbors and the maintenance staff have flat out asked if I'm growing weed or told me they assumed I was.  Of course, I do periodically hit up the hydroponics shop -- where I always feel a little uncomfy going into because of the stereotype and the odd chance that I'm being monitored.

It's really a shame, too.  You can't grow indoor plants as a dedicated hobby without being cast into a shadow of suspicion.  Never mind the fact that I'm growing beautiful orchids, bromeliads, cacti, succulents and even garden vegetables and herbs.  In fact, I just harvested some of the most amazing smelling and best tasting rosemary from my bedroom yesterday and used it to flavor up my pork chops.  I can't wait to see how the peppers turn out once they start maturing.
2013-03-30 12:53:55 PM
1 votes:

ladyfortuna: Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.

You're full of derp. The only mention of a warrant is this: During the sweep, the court filing said, the Hartes were told they had been under surveillance for months, but the couple "know of no basis for conducting such surveillance nor do they believe such surveillance would have produced any facts supporting the issuance of a search warrant."

No where in the article does it say they were actually presented with a warrant, which may in fact be the whole point of this lawsuit. Granted it could go either way, but based on the actual text, there's no way to know if there was a warrant or not.


pretty sure they had a warrant. the problem is "did they have just cause for the warrant?"  did they lie to the judge to get the warrant? upon which criteria did they justify their months long surveillance?  they saw them leave the hydroponics store?  is that all it takes to get the cops to do a stakeout on you?
2013-03-30 12:50:43 PM
1 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: why don't you LET people do drugs??  insane


No, because the country would be like..... well, Fark.


Recently had some HVAC guys in replacing stuff.  Forgot my grow lights and other tomato seed starting stuff was propped in the corner of the basement.  Haven't had any knocks at the door yet.  If they do, I can offer some nice looking Beefsteak seedlings.
2013-03-30 12:50:10 PM
1 votes:

Somaticasual: Step 1) build growhouse and stock it with tomato plants at first
Step 2) make sure it gets raided by soon-to-be-embarrassed police
Step 3) Switch it out for pot, knowing sheriff's department doesn't want another lawsuit..




Depends if they remember to stick a post it note on their maps.

Some PD's have made a game out of repeatedly hitting the wrong houses.
My suspicion: If you get on their map while growing tomatoes, you're address will probably keep coming up for the same reasons they hit you originally.

There were millions of places they could have gone, but obviously you're doing something wrong enough to get their attention.
2013-03-30 12:48:06 PM
1 votes:

orclover: weapon13: kth: Uh oh. We bought hydroponic growing supplies to start seedlings...

The MJ kind? That's why I bought mine.

Go to a hippy store and buy hydroponics supplies and you might be placed on a watch list, hell you have already handed the police probable cause.

Go to home depot, buy some water pumps, 2$ buckets and tubing.  Nobody notices, your probably making a pond.


Amazon.com has quite the good selection of random growing stuff. Boxes with Amazon labels on them are certainly discreet. But they probably sell the names of people that buy light bulbs to the feds.
2013-03-30 12:46:57 PM
1 votes:
This happened to an old girlfriend of mine's father. They were living in a commune in the late '60s down the Klamath River, and the Sheriff's Department served a warrant and destroyed their entire garden, and confiscated almost 50 pounds in immature tomato plants. They bragged about it in the local press, until the plants were identified.

No apology was ever issued, and to this day her dad (who shares a nick-name bestowed upon him by law enforcement with a resident Farker) whenever he passes by any Sheriff's officer, gives them the one-finger salute.

/and they never found the real plants...
2013-03-30 12:46:46 PM
1 votes:

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot TOMATOES
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


You know how I know you don't know anything about gardening versus growing pot?
2013-03-30 12:39:56 PM
1 votes:
3.bp.blogspot.com
kth
2013-03-30 12:36:35 PM
1 votes:
Uh oh. We bought hydroponic growing supplies to start seedlings...
2013-03-30 12:33:50 PM
1 votes:

dennysgod: FTA But the Hartes' attorney, Cheryl Pilate, said she suspects the couple's 1,825-square-foot split level was targeted because they had bought hydroponic equipment to grow a small number of tomatoes and squash plants in their basement.

I hope their attorney crucifies the police dept in court.


slurmed.com
2013-03-30 12:25:45 PM
1 votes:

Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.


You're full of derp. The only mention of a warrant is this: During the sweep, the court filing said, the Hartes were told they had been under surveillance for months, but the couple "know of no basis for conducting such surveillance nor do they believe such surveillance would have produced any facts supporting the issuance of a search warrant."

No where in the article does it say they were actually presented with a warrant, which may in fact be the whole point of this lawsuit. Granted it could go either way, but based on the actual text, there's no way to know if there was a warrant or not.
2013-03-30 11:50:05 AM
1 votes:
Because the CIA would never have anything to do with drugs
2013-03-30 10:40:28 AM
1 votes:
♫  You say tomoto, and I say you're a moron... ♫
2013-03-30 08:11:02 AM
1 votes:
Tomoto? Did Dan Quayle submit this?
2013-03-30 07:51:20 AM
1 votes:
why don't you LET people do drugs??  insane
 
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