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2013-03-30 02:26:37 PM
Tomato is in the nightshade family and nightshade is -deadly- nightshade and this man is a terr'ist who is obviously planning to corrupt our precious pizza sauce fluids with toxins and we should shoot him and steal all his stuff and punch his dog in the face.
 
2013-03-30 02:29:27 PM
Went to a friend's apartment a few years ago to watch a game. He showed me this ingenious grow operation he built in his laundry room. Using forced oxygen, grow lights, and a timed watering system, his plants were all around six feet tall. It was all impressive, but I have to admit I was nervous as shiat the cops were going to bust in at any moment.

/csb
 
2013-03-30 02:33:09 PM

bearcats1983: Went to a friend's apartment a few years ago to watch a game. He showed me this ingenious grow operation he built in his laundry room. Using forced oxygen, grow lights, and a timed watering system, his plants were all around six feet tall. It was all impressive, but I have to admit I was nervous as shiat the cops were going to bust in at any moment.

/csb


What part of "nothing you say on the internet is anonymous or untraceable" don't you get?
 
2013-03-30 02:36:19 PM
Oh, and lol at the morons saying "oh you bought garden supplies so that was suspicious"

If hydroponic supplies are evidence enough to warrant a drug search then owning a gun is enough to be raided every time there is a murder.

Expected response if that had happened "huuurr dem gubmint trying to harass gun owners. F the police and Obama!"
 
2013-03-30 02:36:52 PM

bunner: bearcats1983: Went to a friend's apartment a few years ago to watch a game. He showed me this ingenious grow operation he built in his laundry room. Using forced oxygen, grow lights, and a timed watering system, his plants were all around six feet tall. It was all impressive, but I have to admit I was nervous as shiat the cops were going to bust in at any moment.

/csb

What part of "nothing you say on the internet is anonymous or untraceable" don't you get?


So what if it is? Cops can't get a warrant to arrest him and hold him / beat him until he rats out a buddy.

(Actually, in America2013 they probably can. Laaaaaand of the fuh-reeee.....)
 
2013-03-30 02:36:54 PM

ERNesbitt: Every time I tell people I have an aquaponics setup in my basement, most immediately make the leap to "pot". The two types that make that jump either want to gossip/get someone in trouble, or are looking for pot and don't know how to get it. The ones who think it's cool and don't ask too much about it are probably the ones who already have their own pot.

However, all of them think I'm nuts because I want fresh basil, parsley, rosemary, and lettuce year-round.

/ Can't wait to upgrade my tank to accommodate yellow perch.


We renewed our lease and the rental agent had to do a walk through.  In December.

She seriously could not wrap her head around the fact that we had an entire room the basement dedicated to herbs under grow lights.  That weren't Marijuana.  I'm pretty sure she just assumed we hid the marijuana before she came over, but FFS there would have been no room under the grow lights to fit it even if that's what we were doing.

/fresh rosemary in the winter kicks ass
//no hydroponics, just containers. They go outside as soon as it's warm enough.  Saves energy.
///the SO wants to try hydro lettuce and greens next year.  All of his fancy heirloom lettuces got torn to pieces by bugs in the garden last year, or bolted crazy fast because of the heat.
 
2013-03-30 02:37:48 PM

Amos Quito: Boy, there's a LOT of cop hate in this thread.

What none of you seem to understand is that the government is perfectly within its rights to enter your home or your yard and to confiscate and destroy ANY plant - whether it be "legal" or "illegal", tomatoes, squash, marijuana or opium poppies.

Their authority to do so is clear - under the "Commerce Clause" (United States Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 3), and has been repeatedly upheld by the courts - including the United States Supreme Court see Wickard v. Filburn and Gonzales v. Raich.

You want to "grow your own"? Fine, take the chance, but don't be surprised when armed agents show up at your door, constitutionally authorized to shut you down.

/And stop with the cop hate. They're just doing their jobs


Yeah, see, the Commerce Clause is not the issue here and I'm sure you know that. Also, I don't specifically hate the cops - I hate the laws that allow the cops to do things like this, the near-total immunity from wrongdoing they enjoy when they screw it up and I also think it is worth pointing out that many of the worst acts in human history have been committed by people "just doing their jobs".

Not that I think a poorly-justified raid on an indoor vegetable garden is even on the radar as one of the worst acts in human history, mind you. It's not. It's just good old fashioned bad police work and I think they deserve being taken to task for it.
 
2013-03-30 02:41:17 PM

Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.


What no doubt really happened is that they either got their name from where they bought the equipment or else watched them buy it and ran the plates.  They assume it's a grow op and make up what they need to get a judge to sign off.

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


There isn't enough "evidence" here to justify a warrant.  Either the cops lied to the judge (which means the cops should be in jail) or the judge is rubber-stamping warrants (which means the cops and the judge should be in jail.)

super_grass: They were doing something suspicious, who cares. When you learn that someone suddenly purchased a huge amount of hydroponic equipment, what's the first thing that comes to your mind?  That's what I thought.

I bet the whiners here are naive/dumb enough to think that law enforcement shouldn't investigate when someone suddenly buys half a truckload of fertilizer or cough syrup from pharmacies all over town.


When someone buys more of a suspicious substance than they can reasonably use then the police should have a look.  However, so long as a reasonable, legal use exists that shouldn't be enough for a warrant.

The reality is that people sometimes do indoor gardening.  Usually only to get a jump on the growing season but occasionally they go farther, or they're growing things like orchids in a climate utterly unsuited for them and the only way to do it is under lights.

As for buying suspicious things--long ago my parents bought hundreds of pounds of ammonium nitrate (the stuff in the Oklahoma bomb) despite living in the suburbs.  Perfectly legit--it's not going to spoil and this was back when a going out of business sale meant really good discounts.  IIRC it was something like 70%-80% off.  They never needed to buy fertilizer again.
 
2013-03-30 02:42:56 PM

nocturnal001: Oh, and lol at the morons saying "oh you bought garden supplies so that was suspicious"

If hydroponic supplies are evidence enough to warrant a drug search then owning a gun is enough to be raided every time there is a murder.

Expected response if that had happened "huuurr dem gubmint trying to harass gun owners. F the police and Obama!"


So I was incorrect in thinking that they could still use thermal imaging as justification for a warrant.

Indeed, in 2001 the Supreme Court, in a decision written by conservative Justice Antonin Scalia, ruled that police could not use heat-detection devices outside a home to detect marijuana grow lights inside. Not only does the device violate the home dweller's expectation of privacy, said Scalia, but the technology could detect many other innocent details of the homeowner's life, like "the hour at which the lady of the house takes her bath."
Florida contends, however, that using drug-detection dogs is not analogous to technology because there is no constitutional right to possess contraband, and the state maintains that dogs trained to detect illegal drugs do not alert to other substances.


But they, you know, try to find ways around that.

"The Canadian town of Mission, BC has a bylaw that allows the town's Public Safety Inspection Team to search people's homes for grow ops if they are using more than 93 kWh of electricity per day. There have allegedly been reports floating in IRC of two different cases of police showing up at a <a data-cke-saved-href="https://news.slashdot.org/story/11/05/19/0149234/ Mint-It-Yourself-With -a-Browser-Based-Bitcoin-Miner">Bitcoin miner's residence with a search warrant. Ohio police and the DEA file at least 60 subpoenas each month for energy-use records of people suspected of running an indoor pot growing operation. DEA Agent Anthony Marotta said high electricity usage does not always mean the residence is an indoor pot farm and has surprised federal agents. 'We thought it was a major grow operation ... but this guy had <a data-cke-saved-href="http://blogs.computerworld.com/18335/bitcoin_mine rs_busted_police_conf use_bitcoin_power_usage_for_pot_farm">some kind of business involving computers. I don't know how many computer servers we found in his home.'"

I'm not going to Google any more for you.  It might be a touch paranoid, but knowing they can see my freaking library records (thanks, Patriot Act), you really think looking at large credit transactions (at least) from hydro shops *wouldn't* be done if they could swing it?  Might not be able to use it in court, but hey, we were walking our drug sniffing dog...
 
2013-03-30 02:43:05 PM

ideamaster: You mean to say that police officers would lie under oath to secure a warrant?


Dude...wtf?! Cops never lie, and if they did lie under oath, would suffer the same penalties as anyone else.

/or not
 
2013-03-30 02:43:24 PM
How did I know that there would be some Monsanto derp up in this thread. Get a grip, people.
 
2013-03-30 02:45:19 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: way south: There were millions of places they could have gone, but obviously you're doing something wrong enough to get their attention.

You've always struck me as a fiscal conservative kind of guy once all the derp has been scraped away. How much do you think the surveillance, raid, and lawsuit are going to cost? Would you say that was money well spent?


Good question. I still think the money was well spent.

It sent a message.
 
2013-03-30 02:47:03 PM
Maybe they are related to Elijah Johnson.
 
2013-03-30 02:54:15 PM
Maybe they shouldn't have bought and set up drug manufacturing equipment, regardless of what they intended to grow. If you want vegetables, till the ground and plant them like everyone else.
 
2013-03-30 02:58:27 PM

Rueened: Monkeyhouse Zendo: way south: There were millions of places they could have gone, but obviously you're doing something wrong enough to get their attention.

You've always struck me as a fiscal conservative kind of guy once all the derp has been scraped away. How much do you think the surveillance, raid, and lawsuit are going to cost? Would you say that was money well spent?

Good question. I still think the money was well spent.

It sent a message.


You are amazingly full of shiat. Either actively trolling or warping your philosophy to match your politics. Typical self identified conservative who has no clue what conservatism Iis.
Sends a message. Lol. If a few of these people get fired over shoddy police work that will be the message sent.

The midwest is full of meth labs and these retards are looking for pot growers?
 
2013-03-30 03:01:57 PM

A Shambling Mound: Amos Quito: Boy, there's a LOT of cop hate in this thread.

What none of you seem to understand is that the government is perfectly within its rights to enter your home or your yard and to confiscate and destroy ANY plant - whether it be "legal" or "illegal", tomatoes, squash, marijuana or opium poppies.

Their authority to do so is clear - under the "Commerce Clause" (United States Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 3), and has been repeatedly upheld by the courts - including the United States Supreme Court see Wickard v. Filburn and Gonzales v. Raich.

You want to "grow your own"? Fine, take the chance, but don't be surprised when armed agents show up at your door, constitutionally authorized to shut you down.

/And stop with the cop hate. They're just doing their jobs

Yeah, see, the Commerce Clause is not the issue here and I'm sure you know that. Also, I don't specifically hate the cops - I hate the laws that allow the cops to do things like this, the near-total immunity from wrongdoing they enjoy when they screw it up and I also think it is worth pointing out that many of the worst acts in human history have been committed by people "just doing their jobs".

Not that I think a poorly-justified raid on an indoor vegetable garden is even on the radar as one of the worst acts in human history, mind you. It's not. It's just good old fashioned bad police work and I think they deserve being taken to task for it.



I was trolling just a little with the "Commerce Clause" bit - but not much: Point being that there is NOTHING that the government can't do under the guise of "regulating commerce" if it so desires.

Fark that shiat.
 
2013-03-30 03:04:34 PM

panfried: Maybe they shouldn't have bought and set up drug manufacturing equipment, regardless of what they intended to grow. If you want vegetables, till the ground and plant them like everyone else.


thumbs.dreamstime.com
Cause that's the way things are, goldangit!


*snort*

3/10
 
2013-03-30 03:11:29 PM
As outrageous as this whole event was, this lawsuit could have EASILY been avoided if the cops had only remembered to follow the "plant" rule:

Whenever conducting a raid, ALWAYS bring along a decent amount of (pot cocaine heroin, meth - whatever) JUST IN CASE the people you are raiding happen to be innocent.

If the cops had done this, they could have avoided all of this nasty publicity and lawsuit, confiscated and sold their house, cars (etc), emptied their bank accounts AND gotten an increase in tax funding for the subsequent year.

Heroes!

What's wrong with cops these days?

Would they go camping without bringing a sweater? Then why go on a "drug raid" without bringing "emergency drugs"?


/And some throw-away guns, of course
 
2013-03-30 03:12:51 PM

MrHappyRotter: Every time I see the cops pulling into the apartment complex, it always runs through my mind that my door is going to be the next one they knock on (or knock in as the case sometimes is).  I grow most of my plants under lights in semi-hydro fashion.  After dark, my bedroom window illuminates the whole corner of my building even with the blinds closed and my neighbors and the maintenance staff have flat out asked if I'm growing weed or told me they assumed I was.  Of course, I do periodically hit up the hydroponics shop -- where I always feel a little uncomfy going into because of the stereotype and the odd chance that I'm being monitored.

It's really a shame, too.  You can't grow indoor plants as a dedicated hobby without being cast into a shadow of suspicion.  Never mind the fact that I'm growing beautiful orchids, bromeliads, cacti, succulents and even garden vegetables and herbs.  In fact, I just harvested some of the most amazing smelling and best tasting rosemary from my bedroom yesterday and used it to flavor up my pork chops.  I can't wait to see how the peppers turn out once they start maturing.


Here.  Try some of my sandalwood insence.  Made it out of my own sandals!  Here.  Let me light it for you! Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff!
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!
 
2013-03-30 03:18:35 PM
Most people seem to know so little about plants that owning anything green could be probable cause.  I have a room in my house dedicated to jasmine (no hydroponics necessary) and when I have people over someone always asks if it is pot.

They don't look alike, they don't smell alike.  I don't get it.
 
2013-03-30 03:29:42 PM

Amos Quito: As outrageous as this whole event was, this lawsuit could have EASILY been avoided if the cops had only remembered to follow the "plant" rule:

Whenever conducting a raid, ALWAYS bring along a decent amount of (pot cocaine heroin, meth - whatever) JUST IN CASE the people you are raiding happen to be innocent.

If the cops had done this, they could have avoided all of this nasty publicity and lawsuit, confiscated and sold their house, cars (etc), emptied their bank accounts AND gotten an increase in tax funding for the subsequent year.

Heroes!

What's wrong with cops these days?

Would they go camping without bringing a sweater? Then why go on a "drug raid" without bringing "emergency drugs"?


/And some throw-away guns, of course


Do you live in Ohio, too? Or is this pretty common in other states?
 
2013-03-30 03:30:03 PM

Rufus Lee King: Hermione


Tell you what. I will, when Fark does.
 
2013-03-30 03:32:13 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.

Energy use + heat/thermal sensing iirc is enough.

I bought our grow lights at a hydro shop and we've got a house with 3 emvironmental non profit workers. If my city was idiotic I'd expect to get raided. Thankfully they're not.


Reminds me that we just got a nice thermal imager for work.  For S and Gs, I think I'll take it with me when I walk the dog tonight....
 
2013-03-30 03:36:08 PM
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
 
2013-03-30 03:41:07 PM

snocone: way south: Monkeyhouse Zendo: way south: There were millions of places they could have gone, but obviously you're doing something wrong enough to get their attention.

You've always struck me as a fiscal conservative kind of guy once all the derp has been scraped away. How much do you think the surveillance, raid, and lawsuit are going to cost? Would you say that was money well spent?

A few million, and all wasted, but the cops won't care unless it comes out of their pay.
They need to prove that they are fighting the drug war. If you are doing something that puts you on their target list (criminal or not), there is a fair chance they'll pick your name from the hat more than once.

/too lazy to look it up, but I recall an article on FARK where the same family got raided half a dozen times.
/something in the cops methodology kept making that address a target, even after lawsuits.

Pretty good definition of psychotic behavior.
That could get one locked up, if one were not above the law and all.




If only I were king. I'd make cops sit through the same legal process like any civilian would. No more internal affairs or special handling of cases. Screw up at your job, explain it to a judge and jury.

/but the heads of these departments are either political appointees or elected officials themselves.
/we don't treat them like the hired civilian militia they are, so we get screwed.
 
2013-03-30 03:42:35 PM

panfried: Maybe they shouldn't have bought and set up drug manufacturing equipment, regardless of what they intended to grow. If you want vegetables, till the ground and plant them like everyone else.


That's the single stupidest goddamned statement I've heard this year. You sir, might possibly be dumber than dog shiat.
 
2013-03-30 03:48:26 PM
When you start letting people grow their own squash and tomatoes, sooner or later they'll move on to harder vegetables, like sprouts, beans, and lettuce.  They were right to raid them.
 
2013-03-30 03:58:18 PM

Amos Quito: I was trolling just a little with the "Commerce Clause" bit - but not much: Point being that there is NOTHING that the government can't do under the guise of "regulating commerce" if it so desires.

Fark that shiat.


Fair enough. Carry on, then.
 
2013-03-30 04:05:06 PM
Did they shoot the three legged pet dog for good measure?
 
2013-03-30 04:11:37 PM

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


They came to the house with assault rifles and full body armor to "check it out".
 
2013-03-30 04:24:22 PM

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


6/10 Not bad.
 
2013-03-30 04:36:52 PM

GORDON: artillery


Umm... Artillery? By what definition?
 
2013-03-30 04:44:04 PM

UnspokenVoice: GORDON: artillery

Umm... Artillery? By what definition?


Uh, HELLO. They had DEADLY ASSAULT WEAPONS, which could be used to inflict VIOLENCE.

C'mon. HAVEN'T U PEOPEL ANY HEARTS AFTER ALL THOSE CHILDRENS WERE MASSACRED BY DEADLY ASSAULT WEAPONS?

/watch this drive
 
2013-03-30 05:36:44 PM

bearcats1983: Went to a friend's apartment a few years ago to watch a game. He showed me this ingenious grow operation he built in his laundry room. Using forced oxygen, grow lights, and a timed watering system, his plants were all around six feet tall. It was all impressive, but I have to admit I was nervous as shiat the cops were going to bust in at any moment.

/csb


Flicks on lights. ..*BOOM*
 
2013-03-30 05:37:51 PM

Amos Quito: A Shambling Mound: Amos Quito: Boy, there's a LOT of cop hate in this thread.

What none of you seem to understand is that the government is perfectly within its rights to enter your home or your yard and to confiscate and destroy ANY plant - whether it be "legal" or "illegal", tomatoes, squash, marijuana or opium poppies.

Their authority to do so is clear - under the "Commerce Clause" (United States Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 3), and has been repeatedly upheld by the courts - including the United States Supreme Court see Wickard v. Filburn and Gonzales v. Raich.

You want to "grow your own"? Fine, take the chance, but don't be surprised when armed agents show up at your door, constitutionally authorized to shut you down.

/And stop with the cop hate. They're just doing their jobs

Yeah, see, the Commerce Clause is not the issue here and I'm sure you know that. Also, I don't specifically hate the cops - I hate the laws that allow the cops to do things like this, the near-total immunity from wrongdoing they enjoy when they screw it up and I also think it is worth pointing out that many of the worst acts in human history have been committed by people "just doing their jobs".

Not that I think a poorly-justified raid on an indoor vegetable garden is even on the radar as one of the worst acts in human history, mind you. It's not. It's just good old fashioned bad police work and I think they deserve being taken to task for it.


I was trolling just a little with the "Commerce Clause" bit - but not much: Point being that there is NOTHING that the government can't do under the guise of "regulating commerce" if it so desires.

Fark that shiat.


They can sure do a lot, but there have been successful challenges to the commerce clause.  I am mostly a federal guy but I think that clause is abused a bit.

http://www.fark.com/comments/7674147/83330353#c83330353" target="_blank" data-cke-saved-href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7674147/83330353#c8 3330353">BuckTurgidson: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 Pfft, Friggin Bleeding heart liberal hippie.  We all know that just like there is only 1 book I need, there is only 1 amendment needed as well. (the 2nd)  If you ain't got nothing to hide then why care? Huh? Note that this attitude does not extend to gun licensing or background checks, I don't trust the government to not mess with me and try to take mah gun.
 
2013-03-30 05:40:53 PM

Amos Quito: Boy, there's a LOT of cop hate in this thread.


When it comes to the drug war it's very justified.
 
2013-03-30 06:32:23 PM

Loren: Amos Quito: Boy, there's a LOT of cop hate in this thread.

When it comes to the drug war it's very justified.



Agreed 1000%

Like I said above, I was engaging in a bit of sarcastic trollin'.
 
2013-03-30 06:50:00 PM

Amos Quito: Loren: Amos Quito: Boy, there's a LOT of cop hate in this thread.

When it comes to the drug war it's very justified.


Agreed 1000%

Like I said above, I was engaging in a bit of sarcastic trollin'.


People forget that cops are real people. You always get a mixture of good people and assholes. Plus even a good guy can wind up doing wrong if the system forces his hand.
 
2013-03-30 07:08:37 PM
CruiserTwelve:By the way, where's the profit in marijuana raids?

Aside from the obvious overtime and the trend towards billing for pre-trial detention, there's civil forfeiture.  If someone gets busted aren't you going to take their house, car, and bank accounts?
 
2013-03-30 07:19:02 PM

bunner: bearcats1983: Went to a friend's apartment a few years ago to watch a game. He showed me this ingenious grow operation he built in his laundry room. Using forced oxygen, grow lights, and a timed watering system, his plants were all around six feet tall. It was all impressive, but I have to admit I was nervous as shiat the cops were going to bust in at any moment.

/csb

What part of "nothing you say on the internet is anonymous or untraceable" don't you get?


Maybe because I haven't done anything wrong so I have nothing to fear? I haven't seen or spoken to him in about five years, I'm pretty sure I'll be fine.
 
2013-03-30 07:24:36 PM
"'If this can happen to us and we are educated and have reasonable resources, how does somebody who maybe hasn't led a perfect life supposed to be free in this country?' Adlynn Harte said in an interview Friday. "

That's pretty funny coming from an ex-CIA.
 
2013-03-30 07:59:12 PM

nocturnal001: Amos Quito: Loren: Amos Quito: Boy, there's a LOT of cop hate in this thread.

When it comes to the drug war it's very justified.


Agreed 1000%

Like I said above, I was engaging in a bit of sarcastic trollin'.

People forget that cops are real people. You always get a mixture of good people and assholes. Plus even a good guy can wind up doing wrong if the system forces his hand.



Yeah, cops are real people. So are gangsters.

If I start hanging out with gangsters, the chances are pretty good that I'll be going where gangsters go, and behaving like gangsters behave.

Because I don't approve of gangsters, their lifestyle, the things they do, and the way they treat others, I choose not to hang out with gangsters.

I do have a choice.

So do cops.
 
2013-03-30 08:14:04 PM
Sounds like the couple are fortunate that their house and equipment werent trashed at the occupants expense.  That is a procedurally protected activity for enforcement, it often seems.
 
2013-03-30 08:55:41 PM

Frederick: Sounds like the couple are fortunate that their house and equipment werent trashed at the occupants expense.  That is a procedurally protected activity for enforcement, it often seems.


And if they have a dog, they're lucky it's still breathing.
 
2013-03-30 09:00:15 PM

CruiserTwelve: By the way, where's the profit in marijuana raids?


At the 7-Eleven downwind of the incinerator.
 
2013-03-30 09:15:49 PM

Frederick: Sounds like the couple are fortunate that their house and equipment werent trashed at the occupants expense.  That is a procedurally protected activity for enforcement, it often seems.


My thought was when I saw 'former CIA employees', was these officers were lucky half of them weren't killed as they entered the house and water boarded the rest to find out who thought of the stupid idea to hit their house.  Then they just turn up somewhere else and the house is found abandoned except for the dead bodies of their fellow officers.  The couple is never heard from again, by that name.
 
2013-03-30 09:24:12 PM
"bearcats1983: Went to a friend's apartment a few years ago to watch a game. He showed me this ingenious grow operation he built in his laundry room. Using forced oxygen, grow lights, and a timed watering system, his plants were all around six feet tall. It was all impressive, but I have to admit I was nervous as shiat the cops were going to bust in at any moment."

I am not a farmer or a gardener or any of that shiat. I eat my veggies from a can as God intended - so excuse my ignorance. But what does "forced oxygen" do?  Dpn't plants take in CO2? Is O2 just as good? Does it work better?
 
2013-03-30 09:46:01 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: ideamaster: You mean to say that police officers would lie under oath to secure a warrant?

Dude...wtf?! Cops never lie, and if they did lie under oath, would suffer the same penalties as anyone else.

/or not


Six weeks off with Pay?
 
2013-03-30 10:21:14 PM

panfried: Maybe they shouldn't have bought and set up drug manufacturing equipment, regardless of what they intended to grow. If you want vegetables, till the ground and plant them like everyone else.


*Plonk*

So anyway, CSB time.  Last winter, I built a cold frame for my tomatoes, eggplants and peppers.  From November until March, I start getting a serious jones for fried green tomatoes and eggplant ratatouille, and it's really hard to get good eggplants or green tomatoes in midwinter.  At least this gives me a way to keep some plants producing until December or January--maybe even a little later, if I use a lamp or two for extra light and heat.  Winters are usually relatively mild here.

A certain cousin of mine, the family shiat-stirrer, worked for the county DA in some capacity.  While she was visiting her parents--we live next door to them--she saw the PVC frame and the lamps and asked what was going on over there, and her mother told her that I was trying to keep my tomatoes and eggplant alive.

"Oh.  'Tomatoes,' right," she says with air quotes.  "You mean the kind of 'tomatoes' you roll and smoke?"

"Noooo, the kind of tomatoes you eat with olive oil and eggplant," says the aunt.

"Right.  Okay," says the cousin.

Two days later we get a reasonably polite visit from law enforcement asking about the frame.  Which I show them.  They poke around for a few minutes, thank me for my time and go on their merry way. Every two weeks or so this scene repeats until spring.

The cousin is presently angry that I never visit and rarely have much to say to her when she's around.
 
2013-03-30 10:27:58 PM

AAlumni: "bearcats1983: Went to a friend's apartment a few years ago to watch a game. He showed me this ingenious grow operation he built in his laundry room. Using forced oxygen, grow lights, and a timed watering system, his plants were all around six feet tall. It was all impressive, but I have to admit I was nervous as shiat the cops were going to bust in at any moment."

I am not a farmer or a gardener or any of that shiat. I eat my veggies from a can as God intended - so excuse my ignorance. But what does "forced oxygen" do?  Dpn't plants take in CO2? Is O2 just as good? Does it work better?


At night, plants metabolize the starches they created during daytime photosynthesis to grow. Similar to mammals, this process requires oxygen. More oxygen = stronger, consistent growth.
 
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