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2013-03-30 12:56:05 PM

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


how does one "act like they are growing pot"?
 
2013-03-30 12:56:58 PM
I had a buddy about 15 years ago who had a somewhat sizable grow operation in his closet while at the same time working at a newly-opened, sparsely-furnished storefront for hydroponic equipment that was directly across the street from the police station in a Midwestern college town.

How he was never busted amazes me to this day.
 
2013-03-30 12:58:06 PM

tukatz: They were improperly targeted. But it probably started from their purchase of hydroponic supplies, not just the lights and planting supplies.


see that right there is not justification for a warrant. nor a stakeout.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-03-30 12:58:31 PM
I used to help my uncle grow gagutz and keep up a number of herbs like basil and sage, thyme etc...
Wonder what these jack wagons would have done to us. If tomatoes are worth an arresting the gagutz was probably a death-warrant thing.

/dumb cops are dumb
//dumb judge who signed warrant should be expelled from position and never allowed to sit in office again
 
2013-03-30 12:59:52 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: why don't you LET people do drugs??  insane


Because some profiteering rich bastards, a few rich and powerful sociopathic Nannys and a whole bunch of looney tune sycophants that believe the old and broken lies are doing it to you, not for you.
 
2013-03-30 01:00:02 PM

gingerjet: way south: There were millions of places they could have gone, but obviously you're doing something wrong enough to get their attention.

Yes.  Its always the victims fault.  And never incompetent police.  Always.


This...

Hobodeluxe: Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.

how does one "act like they are growing pot"?


and this.

There ought to be a button for "Stupid".
 
2013-03-30 01:00:57 PM

Hobodeluxe: tukatz: They were improperly targeted. But it probably started from their purchase of hydroponic supplies, not just the lights and planting supplies.

see that right there is not justification for a warrant. nor a stakeout.


It is when you got this nifty SWAT unit all jacked up w/ nuttin' to do.
 
2013-03-30 01:02:18 PM

Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.


There's this gem of a paragraph:

April 20 long has been used by marijuana enthusiasts to celebrate the illegal drug and more recently by law enforcement for raids and crackdowns. But the Hartes' attorney, Cheryl Pilate, said she suspects the couple's 1,825-square-foot split level was targeted because they had bought hydroponic equipment to grow a small number of tomatoes and squash plants in their basement

/looks at calendar
//looks back at article
//* blink * blink *
 
2013-03-30 01:05:49 PM
It's leawood. It's a nicer suburb of the great state of Kansas City. The whole place is populated by liberal fruitcakes and hairy-legged women. NTTIAWWT

/ I've met some very sensible, well-spoken, open-minded democrats; none of them live in leawood

// we tried to give Johnson and wyandotte counties back to Missouri; Missouri didn't want 'em
 
2013-03-30 01:05:58 PM

Somaticasual: Step 1) build growhouse and stock it with tomato plants at first
Step 2) make sure it gets raided by soon-to-be-embarrassed police
Step 3) Switch it out for pot, knowing sheriff's department doesn't want another lawsuit..

Step 3) make sure to have a small dog there to be shot by the police
Step 4) sue the crap out of them
 
2013-03-30 01:06:44 PM

Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.


Just like the cops.
Where do they find that many stupid fools? I mean, you can't even find a decent human to do TSA's work, and here we have all these nifty SWAT types,,, They KNOW that marijuana is harmless and just a profitable cop funding witch hunt. Don't they?

I will give 100 to 1 odds, at least 50% of them use MJ.
 
2013-03-30 01:07:26 PM
Lucky the po po didn't shoot the dog
 
2013-03-30 01:07:52 PM
This raid brought to you by Monsanto and ConAgra. Buy your food through proper channels, citizen, if you know what's good for ya.
 
2013-03-30 01:09:18 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.

There's this gem of a paragraph:

April 20 long has been used by marijuana enthusiasts to celebrate the illegal drug and more recently by law enforcement for raids and crackdowns. But the Hartes' attorney, Cheryl Pilate, said she suspects the couple's 1,825-square-foot split level was targeted because they had bought hydroponic equipment to grow a small number of tomatoes and squash plants in their basement

/looks at calendar
//looks back at article
//* blink * blink *


You should know you need to suspend disbelief when entering the bizzaro world of cops/media/marijuana.
Just like a Star Wars movie.
 
2013-03-30 01:09:55 PM

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


Boot licker.

Ignore the part where they stormed the house, while small children were inside, with artillery and body armor.
 
2013-03-30 01:13:53 PM

GORDON: Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.

Boot licker.

Ignore the part where they stormed the house, while small children were inside, with artillery and body armor.


Oh, so you think the whole job could have been done by one pleasant, unarmed person offering a free sample of colorburst at the door, invited in to discuss greenthumbing and got a tour of the grow?
Gee,,,

wouldn't it be nice
 
2013-03-30 01:14:23 PM
Yes, the police should pay. Obviously, they had no probable cause. You do not lose your 4th amendment rights because you buy a small amount of gardening supplies.

Imagine where they could go with this....


"I noticed you bought a digital camera and have a computer with internet. It has come to our attention that most child pornographers have the same set-up! Here's your warrant."

"I noticed that you bought a knife and some duct tape. It has come to our attention that murderers and kidnappers use these same tools. Here's your warrant."

"I noticed that you have a car in the driveway, Extensive research has determined most bank robbery getaway vehicles are cars. Here's your warrant."

"I noticed that you have a towel. Terrorist? Here's your warrant."
 
2013-03-30 01:15:32 PM
I always said that it would be time to leave  this country when shiat like this starts happening to white people on a daily basis.
 
2013-03-30 01:16:43 PM
Don't you farking DARE grow warm weather fruit and veg in your basement during winter, citizen. I don't give a shart if it helps you bond with your son and teach him lessons about responsibility. He's probably a pothead anyways.
 
2013-03-30 01:16:59 PM
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2013-03-30 01:20:00 PM

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


i658.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-30 01:21:41 PM

Shadowtag: Next the DEA is going after the biggest drug cartel in the world: The Olive Garden.


Don't you mean Starbucks.
 
2013-03-30 01:30:54 PM

Hobodeluxe: ladyfortuna: Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.

You're full of derp. The only mention of a warrant is this: During the sweep, the court filing said, the Hartes were told they had been under surveillance for months, but the couple "know of no basis for conducting such surveillance nor do they believe such surveillance would have produced any facts supporting the issuance of a search warrant."

No where in the article does it say they were actually presented with a warrant, which may in fact be the whole point of this lawsuit. Granted it could go either way, but based on the actual text, there's no way to know if there was a warrant or not.

pretty sure they had a warrant. the problem is "did they have just cause for the warrant?"  did they lie to the judge to get the warrant? upon which criteria did they justify their months long surveillance?  they saw them leave the hydroponics store?  is that all it takes to get the cops to do a stakeout on you?


Again, though, it doesn't actually SAY they had a warrant. Just Cause is also part of the issue of course, but unless they revise the article one should never assume. There are a lot of examples just here on Fark of police requesting entry 'just because' and then seizing items after the fact, no warrant involved at all. And believe me, I'm no anti-cop ITG, but you can't argue with all the examples.
 
2013-03-30 01:38:08 PM

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


You are an idiot. Shut up, idiot.
 
2013-03-30 01:41:11 PM

snocone: GORDON: Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.

Boot licker.

Ignore the part where they stormed the house, while small children were inside, with artillery and body armor.

Oh, so you think the whole job could have been done by one pleasant, unarmed person offering a free sample of colorburst at the door, invited in to discuss greenthumbing and got a tour of the grow?
Gee,,,

wouldn't it be nice


Or here's a novel idea:  How about the cops go the fark away unless there is good reason that a crime is being committed?  And here's another one:  Legalize it.
 
2013-03-30 01:41:53 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Or here's a novel idea: How about the cops go the fark away unless there is good reason to believe that a crime is being committed? And here's another one: Legalize it.


FTFM.
 
2013-03-30 01:44:00 PM

way south: There were millions of places they could have gone, but obviously you're doing something wrong enough to get their attention.


You've always struck me as a fiscal conservative kind of guy once all the derp has been scraped away. How much do you think the surveillance, raid, and lawsuit are going to cost? Would you say that was money well spent?
 
2013-03-30 01:46:13 PM

Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.


Energy use + heat/thermal sensing iirc is enough.

I bought our grow lights at a hydro shop and we've got a house with 3 emvironmental non profit workers. If my city was idiotic I'd expect to get raided. Thankfully they're not.
 
2013-03-30 01:50:23 PM
Dear cop, fark you, pig.
 
2013-03-30 01:50:39 PM

snocone: Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.

Just like the cops.
Where do they find that many stupid fools? I mean, you can't even find a decent human to do TSA's work, and here we have all these nifty SWAT types,,, They KNOW that marijuana is harmless and just a profitable cop funding witch hunt. Don't they?

I will give 100 to 1 odds, at least 50% of them use MJ.


While I agree that marijuana is virtually harmless and should be legalized (we're almost there in Colorado), it's still illegal in most states. The cops didn't make it illegal, the people, through their elected representatives, did. The cops are just enforcing the law since that's their basic purpose.

I doubt anywhere near 50% of cops use MJ. Most police agencies subject their employees to random drug tests and I doubt there are many cops willing to lose their job over marijuana use. Most cops that use drugs choose alcohol.

When a raid based on a search warrant is conducted, the cops must leave a copy of the warrant. They don't have to leave a copy of the affidavit that was filed in support of the warrant. The affidavit has all the details that were reported to the judge, the warrant itself just says the judge found probable cause for the search.

I'd like to see the affidavit in this case. I'm guessing it was based solely on the purchases made by the homeowners, and that's not enough for a warrant. Either there's something the homeowners aren't saying, or the affidavit contained false or misleading information. Or the judge didn't look very closely at the facts contained therein and just "rubber stamped" the warrant.

By the way, where's the profit in marijuana raids?
 
2013-03-30 01:50:47 PM
offmymeds

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.

how does one "act like they are growing pot"?

and this.

There ought to be a button for "Stupid"
" Fu*ktarded".

FTFY.
 
2013-03-30 01:55:54 PM

orclover: weapon13: kth: Uh oh. We bought hydroponic growing supplies to start seedlings...

The MJ kind? That's why I bought mine.

Go to a hippy store and buy hydroponics supplies and you might be placed on a watch list, hell you have already handed the police probable cause.

Go to home depot, buy some water pumps, 2$ buckets and tubing.  Nobody notices, your probably making a pond.


Gardening stores around here have crappy grow lights. Hydro places usually have knowlegable staff and decent product, the respectable ones anyway.

I think we were smart enough to pay for ours in cash at the locally owned hydro place but definitely used card for bags of peat/coir/liquid nutrients/irrigation ...

/I like to container garden too dammit!
//and people who were growing pot for years secretly (medical mj legal here now and caretakers get 2 plants per patient) are REALLY good about knowing how to grow productive plants in small areas for some reason
 
2013-03-30 01:58:06 PM
They were doing something suspicious, who cares. When you learn that someone suddenly purchased a huge amount of hydroponic equipment, what's the first thing that comes to your mind?  That's what I thought.

I bet the whiners here are naive/dumb enough to think that law enforcement shouldn't investigate when someone suddenly buys half a truckload of fertilizer or cough syrup from pharmacies all over town.
 
2013-03-30 01:58:36 PM

CruiserTwelve: snocone: Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.

Just like the cops.
Where do they find that many stupid fools? I mean, you can't even find a decent human to do TSA's work, and here we have all these nifty SWAT types,,, They KNOW that marijuana is harmless and just a profitable cop funding witch hunt. Don't they?

I will give 100 to 1 odds, at least 50% of them use MJ.

While I agree that marijuana is virtually harmless and should be legalized (we're almost there in Colorado), it's still illegal in most states. The cops didn't make it illegal, the people, through their elected representatives, did. The cops are just enforcing the law since that's their basic purpose.

I doubt anywhere near 50% of cops use MJ. Most police agencies subject their employees to random drug tests and I doubt there are many cops willing to lose their job over marijuana use. Most cops that use drugs choose alcohol.

When a raid based on a search warrant is conducted, the cops must leave a copy of the warrant. They don't have to leave a copy of the affidavit that was filed in support of the warrant. The affidavit has all the details that were reported to the judge, the warrant itself just says the judge found probable cause for the search.

I'd like to see the affidavit in this case. I'm guessing it was based solely on the purchases made by the homeowners, and that's not enough for a warrant. Either there's something the homeowners aren't saying, or the affidavit contained false or misleading information. Or the judge didn't look very closely at the facts contained therein and just "rubber stamped" the warrant.

By the way, where's the profit in marijuana raids?


Let's just agree to disagree.
You do not want me farking with your paradigms.

And thanks for your service.
 
2013-03-30 01:59:07 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.

There's this gem of a paragraph:

April 20 long has been used by marijuana enthusiasts to celebrate the illegal drug and more recently by law enforcement for raids and crackdowns. But the Hartes' attorney, Cheryl Pilate, said she suspects the couple's 1,825-square-foot split level was targeted because they had bought hydroponic equipment to grow a small number of tomatoes and squash plants in their basement

/looks at calendar
//looks back at article
//* blink * blink *


april 20 of last year

fta
 
2013-03-30 02:02:23 PM

snocone: GORDON: Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.

Boot licker.

Ignore the part where they stormed the house, while small children were inside, with artillery and body armor.

Oh, so you think the whole job could have been done by one pleasant, unarmed person offering a free sample of colorburst at the door, invited in to discuss greenthumbing and got a tour of the grow?
Gee,,,

wouldn't it be nice

I think maybe they need evidence of some kind to indicate something illegal is/has been done before any of these steps are taken right?
 
2013-03-30 02:03:11 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: way south: There were millions of places they could have gone, but obviously you're doing something wrong enough to get their attention.

You've always struck me as a fiscal conservative kind of guy once all the derp has been scraped away. How much do you think the surveillance, raid, and lawsuit are going to cost? Would you say that was money well spent?




A few million, and all wasted, but the cops won't care unless it comes out of their pay.
They need to prove that they are fighting the drug war. If you are doing something that puts you on their target list (criminal or not), there is a fair chance they'll pick your name from the hat more than once.

/too lazy to look it up, but I recall an article on FARK where the same family got raided half a dozen times.
/something in the cops methodology kept making that address a target, even after lawsuits.
 
2013-03-30 02:07:48 PM

CruiserTwelve: By the way, where's the profit in marijuana raids?


Two words:  Asset Forfeiture
 
2013-03-30 02:08:05 PM

way south: Monkeyhouse Zendo: way south: There were millions of places they could have gone, but obviously you're doing something wrong enough to get their attention.

You've always struck me as a fiscal conservative kind of guy once all the derp has been scraped away. How much do you think the surveillance, raid, and lawsuit are going to cost? Would you say that was money well spent?

A few million, and all wasted, but the cops won't care unless it comes out of their pay.
They need to prove that they are fighting the drug war. If you are doing something that puts you on their target list (criminal or not), there is a fair chance they'll pick your name from the hat more than once.

/too lazy to look it up, but I recall an article on FARK where the same family got raided half a dozen times.
/something in the cops methodology kept making that address a target, even after lawsuits.


Pretty good definition of psychotic behavior.
That could get one locked up, if one were not above the law and all.
 
2013-03-30 02:08:32 PM
Where is my Kansas tag?
 
2013-03-30 02:10:19 PM

super_grass: They were doing something suspicious, who cares. When you learn that someone suddenly purchased a huge amount of hydroponic equipment, what's the first thing that comes to your mind?  That's what I thought.

I bet the whiners here are naive/dumb enough to think that law enforcement shouldn't investigate when someone suddenly buys half a truckload of fertilizer or cough syrup from pharmacies all over town.


Its not illegal it could be used for this or that, but ultimately nothing illegal about anything you mentioned so they have no right to a search warrant
 
2013-03-30 02:13:14 PM

CruiserTwelve: By the way, where's the profit in marijuana raids?


Duh. Free weed.
 
2013-03-30 02:14:07 PM

super_grass: They were doing something suspicious, who cares. When you learn that someone suddenly purchased a huge amount of hydroponic equipment, what's the first thing that comes to your mind?  That's what I thought.

I bet the whiners here are naive/dumb enough to think that law enforcement shouldn't investigate when someone suddenly buys half a truckload of fertilizer or cough syrup from pharmacies all over town.


My garden spot used to have a pool on it and the soil sucks, so if I didn't have access to free composted manure from the in-laws, I'd probably have had to do that. Also I need pseudoephedrine in order to not have a constant runny nose, especially this time of year, and if I lived farther out of town I'd definitely go to a few places instead of just buying one box at a time. I don't mind signing for it, but my lawyer would be on speed dial if I had to stock up like that. Not everyone is a criminal, and just cause should be a lot harder to prove than it is.
 
2013-03-30 02:14:36 PM
Boy, there's a LOT of cop hate in this thread.

What none of you seem to understand is that the government is perfectly within its rights to enter your home or your yard and to confiscate and destroy ANY plant - whether it be "legal" or "illegal", tomatoes, squash, marijuana or opium poppies.

Their authority to do so is clear - under the "Commerce Clause" (United States Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 3), and has been repeatedly upheld by the courts - including the United States Supreme Court see Wickard v. Filburn and Gonzales v. Raich.

You want to "grow your own"? Fine, take the chance, but don't be surprised when armed agents show up at your door, constitutionally authorized to shut you down.

/And stop with the cop hate. They're just doing their jobs
 
2013-03-30 02:15:50 PM
StreetlightInTheGhetto: ...heat/thermal sensing iirc is enough.

Nope.  Is illegal and inadmissible is in order to get any warrant, and if it was used to create the circumstances to get a warrant - the evidence becomes inadmissible.  Investigators first must get a search warrant with good cause first.

I think one of the cases for that was Kyllo v. United States, 533 U.S. 27 (2001),
 
2013-03-30 02:16:58 PM
Every time I tell people I have an aquaponics setup in my basement, most immediately make the leap to "pot". The two types that make that jump either want to gossip/get someone in trouble, or are looking for pot and don't know how to get it. The ones who think it's cool and don't ask too much about it are probably the ones who already have their own pot.

However, all of them think I'm nuts because I want fresh basil, parsley, rosemary, and lettuce year-round.

/ Can't wait to upgrade my tank to accommodate yellow perch.
 
2013-03-30 02:18:09 PM

snocone: Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.

Just like the cops.
Where do they find that many stupid fools? I mean, you can't even find a decent human to do TSA's work, and here we have all these nifty SWAT types,,, They KNOW that marijuana is harmless and just a profitable cop funding witch hunt. Don't they?

I will give 100 to 1 odds, at least 50% of them use MJ.


I'd be surprised if they didn't, they've got themselves a steady supply after all.
 
2013-03-30 02:18:41 PM
spentshells:  Its not illegal it could be used for this or that, but ultimately nothing illegal about anything you mentioned so they have no right to a search warrant

blog.isubscribe.co.uk

When was that EVER the case?
 
2013-03-30 02:25:03 PM
I live in leawood so I am getting a kick.

In the top 10 wealthiest counties in the nation leawood is about the nicest part. Cops were pretty stupid going after people who can actually defend themselves.

Save this article. The next time somebody derps about how warrants only protect criminals and how you shouldn't be afraid of the police state if you have nothing to hide, show them this article then brain them. These rights protect the innocent, not the guilty.
 
2013-03-30 02:26:11 PM

ERNesbitt: Every time I tell people I have an aquaponics setup in my basement, most immediately make the leap to "pot". The two types that make that jump either want to gossip/get someone in trouble, or are looking for pot and don't know how to get it. The ones who think it's cool and don't ask too much about it are probably the ones who already have their own pot.

However, all of them think I'm nuts because I want fresh basil, parsley, rosemary, and lettuce year-round.

/ Can't wait to upgrade my tank to accommodate yellow perch.


I have been *waiting* for enough free time to set up an aquaponics setup in our greenhouse.  Cool, good on ya man.
 
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