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2013-03-30 07:51:20 AM
why don't you LET people do drugs??  insane
 
2013-03-30 08:11:02 AM
Tomoto? Did Dan Quayle submit this?
 
2013-03-30 08:19:55 AM

grokca: Tomoto? Did Dan Quayle submit this?


ITS NOT TOMATOE it's TOMATO
 
2013-03-30 10:40:28 AM
♫  You say tomoto, and I say you're a moron... ♫
 
2013-03-30 11:24:27 AM
Growing your own food? Hell ya that's illegal. "Buy Monsanto Act" 2013 just passed Congress.
 
2013-03-30 11:42:15 AM
FTFA: Two former CIA employees

Why do I get the feeling the sheriff will be on the losing end of this one.
 
2013-03-30 11:50:05 AM
Because the CIA would never have anything to do with drugs
 
2013-03-30 11:53:41 AM
The War on Drugs © : Making the 4th Amendment obsolete since 1971
 
2013-03-30 12:15:35 PM
Getting ready to play Plants versus Zombies, I see...
 
2013-03-30 12:16:48 PM
The tomato is a gateway vegetable.
 
2013-03-30 12:18:20 PM
Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.
 
2013-03-30 12:18:44 PM
You mean to say that police officers would lie under oath to secure a warrant?
 
2013-03-30 12:20:14 PM

offmymeds: The tomato is a gateway vegetable fruit.


FTFM
 
2013-03-30 12:22:02 PM
I have a small greenhouse in my back yard, around 8' X 12'.  I use it to overwinter stuff, start seeds, extend growing seasons on cherry tomatoes and some peppers.  It's funny how when anyone is in the back yard, (lawn treatments, there's a phone junction back there, a raised manhole cover for city sewer lines, and power lines that trees need to be trimmed, utilities) the workers always have to look in there. Sometimes i just watch them as they look disappointed that there are only regular everyday things in there.
 
2013-03-30 12:23:46 PM
FTA But the Hartes' attorney, Cheryl Pilate, said she suspects the couple's 1,825-square-foot split level was targeted because they had bought hydroponic equipment to grow a small number of tomatoes and squash plants in their basement.

I hope their attorney crucifies the police dept in court.
 
2013-03-30 12:25:45 PM

Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.


You're full of derp. The only mention of a warrant is this: During the sweep, the court filing said, the Hartes were told they had been under surveillance for months, but the couple "know of no basis for conducting such surveillance nor do they believe such surveillance would have produced any facts supporting the issuance of a search warrant."

No where in the article does it say they were actually presented with a warrant, which may in fact be the whole point of this lawsuit. Granted it could go either way, but based on the actual text, there's no way to know if there was a warrant or not.
 
2013-03-30 12:27:22 PM
It's only a matter of time until Monsanto hires their own police to start doing raids on dangerous criminals like this!  Better have your papers of where you got your seeds, citizen.
 
2013-03-30 12:27:26 PM

Uisce Beatha: The War on Drugs © : Making the 4th Amendment obsolete since 1971


1920.  This shiat started during prohibition.
 
2013-03-30 12:28:06 PM

basemetal: I have a small greenhouse in my back yard, around 8' X 12'.  I use it to overwinter stuff, start seeds, extend growing seasons on cherry tomatoes and some peppers.  It's funny how when anyone is in the back yard, (lawn treatments, there's a phone junction back there, a raised manhole cover for city sewer lines, and power lines that trees need to be trimmed, utilities) the workers always have to look in there. Sometimes i just watch them as they look disappointed that there are only regular everyday things in there.


Huh, that's a shooting, right there. Oh yes!!
Or don't you have the massive and cripplingly dysfunctional paranoia and a persecution complex or something?
 
2013-03-30 12:28:53 PM
It sounds to me like the lawn and garden center ratted them out. I would sue them.
 
2013-03-30 12:32:13 PM

basemetal: I have a small greenhouse in my back yard, around 8' X 12'.  I use it to overwinter stuff, start seeds, extend growing seasons on cherry tomatoes and some peppers.  It's funny how when anyone is in the back yard, (lawn treatments, there's a phone junction back there, a raised manhole cover for city sewer lines, and power lines that trees need to be trimmed, utilities) the workers always have to look in there. Sometimes i just watch them as they look disappointed that there are only regular everyday things in there.


Good time to break out the mannequin duct taped to a metal chair with a burlap sack over its head.
 
2013-03-30 12:33:34 PM
"...sheriff's deputies searched their home in the upscale Kansas City suburb ofLeawood last April 20 as part of Operation Constant Gardener..."

Someone at the Sheriff's office has a sense of humor.
 
2013-03-30 12:33:50 PM

dennysgod: FTA But the Hartes' attorney, Cheryl Pilate, said she suspects the couple's 1,825-square-foot split level was targeted because they had bought hydroponic equipment to grow a small number of tomatoes and squash plants in their basement.

I hope their attorney crucifies the police dept in court.


slurmed.com
 
2013-03-30 12:35:20 PM
Step 1) build growhouse and stock it with tomato plants at first
Step 2) make sure it gets raided by soon-to-be-embarrassed police
Step 3) Switch it out for pot, knowing sheriff's department doesn't want another lawsuit..
 
kth
2013-03-30 12:36:35 PM
Uh oh. We bought hydroponic growing supplies to start seedlings...
 
2013-03-30 12:37:43 PM

YoOjo: basemetal: I have a small greenhouse in my back yard, around 8' X 12'.  I use it to overwinter stuff, start seeds, extend growing seasons on cherry tomatoes and some peppers.  It's funny how when anyone is in the back yard, (lawn treatments, there's a phone junction back there, a raised manhole cover for city sewer lines, and power lines that trees need to be trimmed, utilities) the workers always have to look in there. Sometimes i just watch them as they look disappointed that there are only regular everyday things in there.

Huh, that's a shooting, right there. Oh yes!!
Or don't you have the massive and cripplingly dysfunctional paranoia and a persecution complex or something?


It costs too damn much money to shoot someone, justified or not.

/and I doubt any court would let me off for someone looking in my greenhouse
//even here in gun land

bugmn99: Good time to break out the mannequin duct taped to a metal chair with a burlap sack over its head.


Now that would be kind of fun, set up a wireless surveillance camera, youtube sensation, baby!
 
2013-03-30 12:38:15 PM
...with a street value of $850,000
 
2013-03-30 12:39:00 PM

Somaticasual: Step 1) build growhouse and stock it with tomato plants at first
Step 2) make sure it gets raided by soon-to-be-embarrassed police
Step 3) Switch it out for pot, knowing sheriff's department doesn't want another lawsuit..


Or, just take the settlement money from the civil rights lawsuit and go live in a state that legalized it.
 
2013-03-30 12:39:56 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-30 12:40:07 PM
Can We End This Ridiculous War On Drugs And Stop Terrorizing Innocent People...
 
2013-03-30 12:40:27 PM
Who cares if the government infringes on the rights of law-abiding citizens as long as it allows law enforcement to stop just one bad person?  They admit they are somewhat wealthy so they can afford to buy organic vegetables at their local market.  They didn't need this equipment to provide for their family.  Greedy bastards...trying to preserve their wealth.  Plus they weren't charged with anything so no harm, no foul right?

/the ends justify the means
 
2013-03-30 12:42:04 PM

kth: Uh oh. We bought hydroponic growing supplies to start seedlings...


The MJ kind? That's why I bought mine.
 
2013-03-30 12:42:05 PM

oukewldave: It's only a matter of time until Monsanto hires their own police to start doing raids on dangerous criminals like this!  Better have your papers of where you got your seeds, citizen.



Papers, schmapers... I've got a spreadsheet!

i107.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-30 12:43:36 PM
f*cking ignorant, incompetent, criminal and out of control law enforcement.

typical.
 
2013-03-30 12:44:11 PM

offmymeds: offmymeds: The tomato is a gateway vegetable fruit. vegetable

FTFM
/OK it is a berry

 
2013-03-30 12:44:34 PM
I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.
 
2013-03-30 12:45:27 PM

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


you always wanted a big brother didn't you?
 
2013-03-30 12:45:40 PM
If you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear. Move along citizen.
 
2013-03-30 12:46:46 PM

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot TOMATOES
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


You know how I know you don't know anything about gardening versus growing pot?
 
2013-03-30 12:46:47 PM

weapon13: kth: Uh oh. We bought hydroponic growing supplies to start seedlings...

The MJ kind? That's why I bought mine.


Go to a hippy store and buy hydroponics supplies and you might be placed on a watch list, hell you have already handed the police probable cause.

Go to home depot, buy some water pumps, 2$ buckets and tubing.  Nobody notices, your probably making a pond.
 
2013-03-30 12:46:57 PM
This happened to an old girlfriend of mine's father. They were living in a commune in the late '60s down the Klamath River, and the Sheriff's Department served a warrant and destroyed their entire garden, and confiscated almost 50 pounds in immature tomato plants. They bragged about it in the local press, until the plants were identified.

No apology was ever issued, and to this day her dad (who shares a nick-name bestowed upon him by law enforcement with a resident Farker) whenever he passes by any Sheriff's officer, gives them the one-finger salute.

/and they never found the real plants...
 
2013-03-30 12:48:06 PM

orclover: weapon13: kth: Uh oh. We bought hydroponic growing supplies to start seedlings...

The MJ kind? That's why I bought mine.

Go to a hippy store and buy hydroponics supplies and you might be placed on a watch list, hell you have already handed the police probable cause.

Go to home depot, buy some water pumps, 2$ buckets and tubing.  Nobody notices, your probably making a pond.


Amazon.com has quite the good selection of random growing stuff. Boxes with Amazon labels on them are certainly discreet. But they probably sell the names of people that buy light bulbs to the feds.
 
2013-03-30 12:49:45 PM

anuran: ...with a street value of $850,000


Thank you, I came  in here for the street value.
 
2013-03-30 12:50:10 PM

Somaticasual: Step 1) build growhouse and stock it with tomato plants at first
Step 2) make sure it gets raided by soon-to-be-embarrassed police
Step 3) Switch it out for pot, knowing sheriff's department doesn't want another lawsuit..




Depends if they remember to stick a post it note on their maps.

Some PD's have made a game out of repeatedly hitting the wrong houses.
My suspicion: If you get on their map while growing tomatoes, you're address will probably keep coming up for the same reasons they hit you originally.

There were millions of places they could have gone, but obviously you're doing something wrong enough to get their attention.
 
2013-03-30 12:50:43 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: why don't you LET people do drugs??  insane


No, because the country would be like..... well, Fark.


Recently had some HVAC guys in replacing stuff.  Forgot my grow lights and other tomato seed starting stuff was propped in the corner of the basement.  Haven't had any knocks at the door yet.  If they do, I can offer some nice looking Beefsteak seedlings.
 
2013-03-30 12:53:20 PM
Next the DEA is going after the biggest drug cartel in the world: The Olive Garden.
 
2013-03-30 12:53:55 PM

ladyfortuna: Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.

You're full of derp. The only mention of a warrant is this: During the sweep, the court filing said, the Hartes were told they had been under surveillance for months, but the couple "know of no basis for conducting such surveillance nor do they believe such surveillance would have produced any facts supporting the issuance of a search warrant."

No where in the article does it say they were actually presented with a warrant, which may in fact be the whole point of this lawsuit. Granted it could go either way, but based on the actual text, there's no way to know if there was a warrant or not.


pretty sure they had a warrant. the problem is "did they have just cause for the warrant?"  did they lie to the judge to get the warrant? upon which criteria did they justify their months long surveillance?  they saw them leave the hydroponics store?  is that all it takes to get the cops to do a stakeout on you?
 
2013-03-30 12:54:15 PM
Every time I see the cops pulling into the apartment complex, it always runs through my mind that my door is going to be the next one they knock on (or knock in as the case sometimes is).  I grow most of my plants under lights in semi-hydro fashion.  After dark, my bedroom window illuminates the whole corner of my building even with the blinds closed and my neighbors and the maintenance staff have flat out asked if I'm growing weed or told me they assumed I was.  Of course, I do periodically hit up the hydroponics shop -- where I always feel a little uncomfy going into because of the stereotype and the odd chance that I'm being monitored.

It's really a shame, too.  You can't grow indoor plants as a dedicated hobby without being cast into a shadow of suspicion.  Never mind the fact that I'm growing beautiful orchids, bromeliads, cacti, succulents and even garden vegetables and herbs.  In fact, I just harvested some of the most amazing smelling and best tasting rosemary from my bedroom yesterday and used it to flavor up my pork chops.  I can't wait to see how the peppers turn out once they start maturing.
 
2013-03-30 12:55:05 PM

ladyfortuna: Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot TOMATOES
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.

You know how I know you don't know anything about gardening versus growing pot?


They were improperly targeted.  But it probably started from their purchase of hydroponic supplies, not just the lights and planting supplies.  Many of the higher end pot systems are using hydroponic.

(Want great growing tips?  Buy some of those ridiculous marijuana grower magazines (which will also get you flagged).  They may be useless drug dealers, but they are determined when it comes to the grow.  Great fertilizer tips.
 
2013-03-30 12:55:07 PM

way south: There were millions of places they could have gone, but obviously you're doing something wrong enough to get their attention.


Yes.  Its always the victims fault.  And never incompetent police.  Always.
 
2013-03-30 12:56:05 PM

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


how does one "act like they are growing pot"?
 
2013-03-30 12:56:58 PM
I had a buddy about 15 years ago who had a somewhat sizable grow operation in his closet while at the same time working at a newly-opened, sparsely-furnished storefront for hydroponic equipment that was directly across the street from the police station in a Midwestern college town.

How he was never busted amazes me to this day.
 
2013-03-30 12:58:06 PM

tukatz: They were improperly targeted. But it probably started from their purchase of hydroponic supplies, not just the lights and planting supplies.


see that right there is not justification for a warrant. nor a stakeout.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-03-30 12:58:31 PM
I used to help my uncle grow gagutz and keep up a number of herbs like basil and sage, thyme etc...
Wonder what these jack wagons would have done to us. If tomatoes are worth an arresting the gagutz was probably a death-warrant thing.

/dumb cops are dumb
//dumb judge who signed warrant should be expelled from position and never allowed to sit in office again
 
2013-03-30 12:59:52 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: why don't you LET people do drugs??  insane


Because some profiteering rich bastards, a few rich and powerful sociopathic Nannys and a whole bunch of looney tune sycophants that believe the old and broken lies are doing it to you, not for you.
 
2013-03-30 01:00:02 PM

gingerjet: way south: There were millions of places they could have gone, but obviously you're doing something wrong enough to get their attention.

Yes.  Its always the victims fault.  And never incompetent police.  Always.


This...

Hobodeluxe: Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.

how does one "act like they are growing pot"?


and this.

There ought to be a button for "Stupid".
 
2013-03-30 01:00:57 PM

Hobodeluxe: tukatz: They were improperly targeted. But it probably started from their purchase of hydroponic supplies, not just the lights and planting supplies.

see that right there is not justification for a warrant. nor a stakeout.


It is when you got this nifty SWAT unit all jacked up w/ nuttin' to do.
 
2013-03-30 01:02:18 PM

Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.


There's this gem of a paragraph:

April 20 long has been used by marijuana enthusiasts to celebrate the illegal drug and more recently by law enforcement for raids and crackdowns. But the Hartes' attorney, Cheryl Pilate, said she suspects the couple's 1,825-square-foot split level was targeted because they had bought hydroponic equipment to grow a small number of tomatoes and squash plants in their basement

/looks at calendar
//looks back at article
//* blink * blink *
 
2013-03-30 01:05:49 PM
It's leawood. It's a nicer suburb of the great state of Kansas City. The whole place is populated by liberal fruitcakes and hairy-legged women. NTTIAWWT

/ I've met some very sensible, well-spoken, open-minded democrats; none of them live in leawood

// we tried to give Johnson and wyandotte counties back to Missouri; Missouri didn't want 'em
 
2013-03-30 01:05:58 PM

Somaticasual: Step 1) build growhouse and stock it with tomato plants at first
Step 2) make sure it gets raided by soon-to-be-embarrassed police
Step 3) Switch it out for pot, knowing sheriff's department doesn't want another lawsuit..

Step 3) make sure to have a small dog there to be shot by the police
Step 4) sue the crap out of them
 
2013-03-30 01:06:44 PM

Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.


Just like the cops.
Where do they find that many stupid fools? I mean, you can't even find a decent human to do TSA's work, and here we have all these nifty SWAT types,,, They KNOW that marijuana is harmless and just a profitable cop funding witch hunt. Don't they?

I will give 100 to 1 odds, at least 50% of them use MJ.
 
2013-03-30 01:07:26 PM
Lucky the po po didn't shoot the dog
 
2013-03-30 01:07:52 PM
This raid brought to you by Monsanto and ConAgra. Buy your food through proper channels, citizen, if you know what's good for ya.
 
2013-03-30 01:09:18 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.

There's this gem of a paragraph:

April 20 long has been used by marijuana enthusiasts to celebrate the illegal drug and more recently by law enforcement for raids and crackdowns. But the Hartes' attorney, Cheryl Pilate, said she suspects the couple's 1,825-square-foot split level was targeted because they had bought hydroponic equipment to grow a small number of tomatoes and squash plants in their basement

/looks at calendar
//looks back at article
//* blink * blink *


You should know you need to suspend disbelief when entering the bizzaro world of cops/media/marijuana.
Just like a Star Wars movie.
 
2013-03-30 01:09:55 PM

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


Boot licker.

Ignore the part where they stormed the house, while small children were inside, with artillery and body armor.
 
2013-03-30 01:13:53 PM

GORDON: Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.

Boot licker.

Ignore the part where they stormed the house, while small children were inside, with artillery and body armor.


Oh, so you think the whole job could have been done by one pleasant, unarmed person offering a free sample of colorburst at the door, invited in to discuss greenthumbing and got a tour of the grow?
Gee,,,

wouldn't it be nice
 
2013-03-30 01:14:23 PM
Yes, the police should pay. Obviously, they had no probable cause. You do not lose your 4th amendment rights because you buy a small amount of gardening supplies.

Imagine where they could go with this....


"I noticed you bought a digital camera and have a computer with internet. It has come to our attention that most child pornographers have the same set-up! Here's your warrant."

"I noticed that you bought a knife and some duct tape. It has come to our attention that murderers and kidnappers use these same tools. Here's your warrant."

"I noticed that you have a car in the driveway, Extensive research has determined most bank robbery getaway vehicles are cars. Here's your warrant."

"I noticed that you have a towel. Terrorist? Here's your warrant."
 
2013-03-30 01:15:32 PM
I always said that it would be time to leave  this country when shiat like this starts happening to white people on a daily basis.
 
2013-03-30 01:16:43 PM
Don't you farking DARE grow warm weather fruit and veg in your basement during winter, citizen. I don't give a shart if it helps you bond with your son and teach him lessons about responsibility. He's probably a pothead anyways.
 
2013-03-30 01:16:59 PM
img.desmotivaciones.es
 
2013-03-30 01:20:00 PM

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


i658.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-30 01:21:41 PM

Shadowtag: Next the DEA is going after the biggest drug cartel in the world: The Olive Garden.


Don't you mean Starbucks.
 
2013-03-30 01:30:54 PM

Hobodeluxe: ladyfortuna: Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.

You're full of derp. The only mention of a warrant is this: During the sweep, the court filing said, the Hartes were told they had been under surveillance for months, but the couple "know of no basis for conducting such surveillance nor do they believe such surveillance would have produced any facts supporting the issuance of a search warrant."

No where in the article does it say they were actually presented with a warrant, which may in fact be the whole point of this lawsuit. Granted it could go either way, but based on the actual text, there's no way to know if there was a warrant or not.

pretty sure they had a warrant. the problem is "did they have just cause for the warrant?"  did they lie to the judge to get the warrant? upon which criteria did they justify their months long surveillance?  they saw them leave the hydroponics store?  is that all it takes to get the cops to do a stakeout on you?


Again, though, it doesn't actually SAY they had a warrant. Just Cause is also part of the issue of course, but unless they revise the article one should never assume. There are a lot of examples just here on Fark of police requesting entry 'just because' and then seizing items after the fact, no warrant involved at all. And believe me, I'm no anti-cop ITG, but you can't argue with all the examples.
 
2013-03-30 01:38:08 PM

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


You are an idiot. Shut up, idiot.
 
2013-03-30 01:41:11 PM

snocone: GORDON: Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.

Boot licker.

Ignore the part where they stormed the house, while small children were inside, with artillery and body armor.

Oh, so you think the whole job could have been done by one pleasant, unarmed person offering a free sample of colorburst at the door, invited in to discuss greenthumbing and got a tour of the grow?
Gee,,,

wouldn't it be nice


Or here's a novel idea:  How about the cops go the fark away unless there is good reason that a crime is being committed?  And here's another one:  Legalize it.
 
2013-03-30 01:41:53 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Or here's a novel idea: How about the cops go the fark away unless there is good reason to believe that a crime is being committed? And here's another one: Legalize it.


FTFM.
 
2013-03-30 01:44:00 PM

way south: There were millions of places they could have gone, but obviously you're doing something wrong enough to get their attention.


You've always struck me as a fiscal conservative kind of guy once all the derp has been scraped away. How much do you think the surveillance, raid, and lawsuit are going to cost? Would you say that was money well spent?
 
2013-03-30 01:46:13 PM

Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.


Energy use + heat/thermal sensing iirc is enough.

I bought our grow lights at a hydro shop and we've got a house with 3 emvironmental non profit workers. If my city was idiotic I'd expect to get raided. Thankfully they're not.
 
2013-03-30 01:50:23 PM
Dear cop, fark you, pig.
 
2013-03-30 01:50:39 PM

snocone: Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.

Just like the cops.
Where do they find that many stupid fools? I mean, you can't even find a decent human to do TSA's work, and here we have all these nifty SWAT types,,, They KNOW that marijuana is harmless and just a profitable cop funding witch hunt. Don't they?

I will give 100 to 1 odds, at least 50% of them use MJ.


While I agree that marijuana is virtually harmless and should be legalized (we're almost there in Colorado), it's still illegal in most states. The cops didn't make it illegal, the people, through their elected representatives, did. The cops are just enforcing the law since that's their basic purpose.

I doubt anywhere near 50% of cops use MJ. Most police agencies subject their employees to random drug tests and I doubt there are many cops willing to lose their job over marijuana use. Most cops that use drugs choose alcohol.

When a raid based on a search warrant is conducted, the cops must leave a copy of the warrant. They don't have to leave a copy of the affidavit that was filed in support of the warrant. The affidavit has all the details that were reported to the judge, the warrant itself just says the judge found probable cause for the search.

I'd like to see the affidavit in this case. I'm guessing it was based solely on the purchases made by the homeowners, and that's not enough for a warrant. Either there's something the homeowners aren't saying, or the affidavit contained false or misleading information. Or the judge didn't look very closely at the facts contained therein and just "rubber stamped" the warrant.

By the way, where's the profit in marijuana raids?
 
2013-03-30 01:50:47 PM
offmymeds

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.

how does one "act like they are growing pot"?

and this.

There ought to be a button for "Stupid"
" Fu*ktarded".

FTFY.
 
2013-03-30 01:55:54 PM

orclover: weapon13: kth: Uh oh. We bought hydroponic growing supplies to start seedlings...

The MJ kind? That's why I bought mine.

Go to a hippy store and buy hydroponics supplies and you might be placed on a watch list, hell you have already handed the police probable cause.

Go to home depot, buy some water pumps, 2$ buckets and tubing.  Nobody notices, your probably making a pond.


Gardening stores around here have crappy grow lights. Hydro places usually have knowlegable staff and decent product, the respectable ones anyway.

I think we were smart enough to pay for ours in cash at the locally owned hydro place but definitely used card for bags of peat/coir/liquid nutrients/irrigation ...

/I like to container garden too dammit!
//and people who were growing pot for years secretly (medical mj legal here now and caretakers get 2 plants per patient) are REALLY good about knowing how to grow productive plants in small areas for some reason
 
2013-03-30 01:58:06 PM
They were doing something suspicious, who cares. When you learn that someone suddenly purchased a huge amount of hydroponic equipment, what's the first thing that comes to your mind?  That's what I thought.

I bet the whiners here are naive/dumb enough to think that law enforcement shouldn't investigate when someone suddenly buys half a truckload of fertilizer or cough syrup from pharmacies all over town.
 
2013-03-30 01:58:36 PM

CruiserTwelve: snocone: Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.

Just like the cops.
Where do they find that many stupid fools? I mean, you can't even find a decent human to do TSA's work, and here we have all these nifty SWAT types,,, They KNOW that marijuana is harmless and just a profitable cop funding witch hunt. Don't they?

I will give 100 to 1 odds, at least 50% of them use MJ.

While I agree that marijuana is virtually harmless and should be legalized (we're almost there in Colorado), it's still illegal in most states. The cops didn't make it illegal, the people, through their elected representatives, did. The cops are just enforcing the law since that's their basic purpose.

I doubt anywhere near 50% of cops use MJ. Most police agencies subject their employees to random drug tests and I doubt there are many cops willing to lose their job over marijuana use. Most cops that use drugs choose alcohol.

When a raid based on a search warrant is conducted, the cops must leave a copy of the warrant. They don't have to leave a copy of the affidavit that was filed in support of the warrant. The affidavit has all the details that were reported to the judge, the warrant itself just says the judge found probable cause for the search.

I'd like to see the affidavit in this case. I'm guessing it was based solely on the purchases made by the homeowners, and that's not enough for a warrant. Either there's something the homeowners aren't saying, or the affidavit contained false or misleading information. Or the judge didn't look very closely at the facts contained therein and just "rubber stamped" the warrant.

By the way, where's the profit in marijuana raids?


Let's just agree to disagree.
You do not want me farking with your paradigms.

And thanks for your service.
 
2013-03-30 01:59:07 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.

There's this gem of a paragraph:

April 20 long has been used by marijuana enthusiasts to celebrate the illegal drug and more recently by law enforcement for raids and crackdowns. But the Hartes' attorney, Cheryl Pilate, said she suspects the couple's 1,825-square-foot split level was targeted because they had bought hydroponic equipment to grow a small number of tomatoes and squash plants in their basement

/looks at calendar
//looks back at article
//* blink * blink *


april 20 of last year

fta
 
2013-03-30 02:02:23 PM

snocone: GORDON: Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.

Boot licker.

Ignore the part where they stormed the house, while small children were inside, with artillery and body armor.

Oh, so you think the whole job could have been done by one pleasant, unarmed person offering a free sample of colorburst at the door, invited in to discuss greenthumbing and got a tour of the grow?
Gee,,,

wouldn't it be nice

I think maybe they need evidence of some kind to indicate something illegal is/has been done before any of these steps are taken right?
 
2013-03-30 02:03:11 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: way south: There were millions of places they could have gone, but obviously you're doing something wrong enough to get their attention.

You've always struck me as a fiscal conservative kind of guy once all the derp has been scraped away. How much do you think the surveillance, raid, and lawsuit are going to cost? Would you say that was money well spent?




A few million, and all wasted, but the cops won't care unless it comes out of their pay.
They need to prove that they are fighting the drug war. If you are doing something that puts you on their target list (criminal or not), there is a fair chance they'll pick your name from the hat more than once.

/too lazy to look it up, but I recall an article on FARK where the same family got raided half a dozen times.
/something in the cops methodology kept making that address a target, even after lawsuits.
 
2013-03-30 02:07:48 PM

CruiserTwelve: By the way, where's the profit in marijuana raids?


Two words:  Asset Forfeiture
 
2013-03-30 02:08:05 PM

way south: Monkeyhouse Zendo: way south: There were millions of places they could have gone, but obviously you're doing something wrong enough to get their attention.

You've always struck me as a fiscal conservative kind of guy once all the derp has been scraped away. How much do you think the surveillance, raid, and lawsuit are going to cost? Would you say that was money well spent?

A few million, and all wasted, but the cops won't care unless it comes out of their pay.
They need to prove that they are fighting the drug war. If you are doing something that puts you on their target list (criminal or not), there is a fair chance they'll pick your name from the hat more than once.

/too lazy to look it up, but I recall an article on FARK where the same family got raided half a dozen times.
/something in the cops methodology kept making that address a target, even after lawsuits.


Pretty good definition of psychotic behavior.
That could get one locked up, if one were not above the law and all.
 
2013-03-30 02:08:32 PM
Where is my Kansas tag?
 
2013-03-30 02:10:19 PM

super_grass: They were doing something suspicious, who cares. When you learn that someone suddenly purchased a huge amount of hydroponic equipment, what's the first thing that comes to your mind?  That's what I thought.

I bet the whiners here are naive/dumb enough to think that law enforcement shouldn't investigate when someone suddenly buys half a truckload of fertilizer or cough syrup from pharmacies all over town.


Its not illegal it could be used for this or that, but ultimately nothing illegal about anything you mentioned so they have no right to a search warrant
 
2013-03-30 02:13:14 PM

CruiserTwelve: By the way, where's the profit in marijuana raids?


Duh. Free weed.
 
2013-03-30 02:14:07 PM

super_grass: They were doing something suspicious, who cares. When you learn that someone suddenly purchased a huge amount of hydroponic equipment, what's the first thing that comes to your mind?  That's what I thought.

I bet the whiners here are naive/dumb enough to think that law enforcement shouldn't investigate when someone suddenly buys half a truckload of fertilizer or cough syrup from pharmacies all over town.


My garden spot used to have a pool on it and the soil sucks, so if I didn't have access to free composted manure from the in-laws, I'd probably have had to do that. Also I need pseudoephedrine in order to not have a constant runny nose, especially this time of year, and if I lived farther out of town I'd definitely go to a few places instead of just buying one box at a time. I don't mind signing for it, but my lawyer would be on speed dial if I had to stock up like that. Not everyone is a criminal, and just cause should be a lot harder to prove than it is.
 
2013-03-30 02:14:36 PM
Boy, there's a LOT of cop hate in this thread.

What none of you seem to understand is that the government is perfectly within its rights to enter your home or your yard and to confiscate and destroy ANY plant - whether it be "legal" or "illegal", tomatoes, squash, marijuana or opium poppies.

Their authority to do so is clear - under the "Commerce Clause" (United States Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 3), and has been repeatedly upheld by the courts - including the United States Supreme Court see Wickard v. Filburn and Gonzales v. Raich.

You want to "grow your own"? Fine, take the chance, but don't be surprised when armed agents show up at your door, constitutionally authorized to shut you down.

/And stop with the cop hate. They're just doing their jobs
 
2013-03-30 02:15:50 PM
StreetlightInTheGhetto: ...heat/thermal sensing iirc is enough.

Nope.  Is illegal and inadmissible is in order to get any warrant, and if it was used to create the circumstances to get a warrant - the evidence becomes inadmissible.  Investigators first must get a search warrant with good cause first.

I think one of the cases for that was Kyllo v. United States, 533 U.S. 27 (2001),
 
2013-03-30 02:16:58 PM
Every time I tell people I have an aquaponics setup in my basement, most immediately make the leap to "pot". The two types that make that jump either want to gossip/get someone in trouble, or are looking for pot and don't know how to get it. The ones who think it's cool and don't ask too much about it are probably the ones who already have their own pot.

However, all of them think I'm nuts because I want fresh basil, parsley, rosemary, and lettuce year-round.

/ Can't wait to upgrade my tank to accommodate yellow perch.
 
2013-03-30 02:18:09 PM

snocone: Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.

Just like the cops.
Where do they find that many stupid fools? I mean, you can't even find a decent human to do TSA's work, and here we have all these nifty SWAT types,,, They KNOW that marijuana is harmless and just a profitable cop funding witch hunt. Don't they?

I will give 100 to 1 odds, at least 50% of them use MJ.


I'd be surprised if they didn't, they've got themselves a steady supply after all.
 
2013-03-30 02:18:41 PM
spentshells:  Its not illegal it could be used for this or that, but ultimately nothing illegal about anything you mentioned so they have no right to a search warrant

blog.isubscribe.co.uk

When was that EVER the case?
 
2013-03-30 02:25:03 PM
I live in leawood so I am getting a kick.

In the top 10 wealthiest counties in the nation leawood is about the nicest part. Cops were pretty stupid going after people who can actually defend themselves.

Save this article. The next time somebody derps about how warrants only protect criminals and how you shouldn't be afraid of the police state if you have nothing to hide, show them this article then brain them. These rights protect the innocent, not the guilty.
 
2013-03-30 02:26:11 PM

ERNesbitt: Every time I tell people I have an aquaponics setup in my basement, most immediately make the leap to "pot". The two types that make that jump either want to gossip/get someone in trouble, or are looking for pot and don't know how to get it. The ones who think it's cool and don't ask too much about it are probably the ones who already have their own pot.

However, all of them think I'm nuts because I want fresh basil, parsley, rosemary, and lettuce year-round.

/ Can't wait to upgrade my tank to accommodate yellow perch.


I have been *waiting* for enough free time to set up an aquaponics setup in our greenhouse.  Cool, good on ya man.
 
2013-03-30 02:26:37 PM
Tomato is in the nightshade family and nightshade is -deadly- nightshade and this man is a terr'ist who is obviously planning to corrupt our precious pizza sauce fluids with toxins and we should shoot him and steal all his stuff and punch his dog in the face.
 
2013-03-30 02:29:27 PM
Went to a friend's apartment a few years ago to watch a game. He showed me this ingenious grow operation he built in his laundry room. Using forced oxygen, grow lights, and a timed watering system, his plants were all around six feet tall. It was all impressive, but I have to admit I was nervous as shiat the cops were going to bust in at any moment.

/csb
 
2013-03-30 02:33:09 PM

bearcats1983: Went to a friend's apartment a few years ago to watch a game. He showed me this ingenious grow operation he built in his laundry room. Using forced oxygen, grow lights, and a timed watering system, his plants were all around six feet tall. It was all impressive, but I have to admit I was nervous as shiat the cops were going to bust in at any moment.

/csb


What part of "nothing you say on the internet is anonymous or untraceable" don't you get?
 
2013-03-30 02:36:19 PM
Oh, and lol at the morons saying "oh you bought garden supplies so that was suspicious"

If hydroponic supplies are evidence enough to warrant a drug search then owning a gun is enough to be raided every time there is a murder.

Expected response if that had happened "huuurr dem gubmint trying to harass gun owners. F the police and Obama!"
 
2013-03-30 02:36:52 PM

bunner: bearcats1983: Went to a friend's apartment a few years ago to watch a game. He showed me this ingenious grow operation he built in his laundry room. Using forced oxygen, grow lights, and a timed watering system, his plants were all around six feet tall. It was all impressive, but I have to admit I was nervous as shiat the cops were going to bust in at any moment.

/csb

What part of "nothing you say on the internet is anonymous or untraceable" don't you get?


So what if it is? Cops can't get a warrant to arrest him and hold him / beat him until he rats out a buddy.

(Actually, in America2013 they probably can. Laaaaaand of the fuh-reeee.....)
 
2013-03-30 02:36:54 PM

ERNesbitt: Every time I tell people I have an aquaponics setup in my basement, most immediately make the leap to "pot". The two types that make that jump either want to gossip/get someone in trouble, or are looking for pot and don't know how to get it. The ones who think it's cool and don't ask too much about it are probably the ones who already have their own pot.

However, all of them think I'm nuts because I want fresh basil, parsley, rosemary, and lettuce year-round.

/ Can't wait to upgrade my tank to accommodate yellow perch.


We renewed our lease and the rental agent had to do a walk through.  In December.

She seriously could not wrap her head around the fact that we had an entire room the basement dedicated to herbs under grow lights.  That weren't Marijuana.  I'm pretty sure she just assumed we hid the marijuana before she came over, but FFS there would have been no room under the grow lights to fit it even if that's what we were doing.

/fresh rosemary in the winter kicks ass
//no hydroponics, just containers. They go outside as soon as it's warm enough.  Saves energy.
///the SO wants to try hydro lettuce and greens next year.  All of his fancy heirloom lettuces got torn to pieces by bugs in the garden last year, or bolted crazy fast because of the heat.
 
2013-03-30 02:37:48 PM

Amos Quito: Boy, there's a LOT of cop hate in this thread.

What none of you seem to understand is that the government is perfectly within its rights to enter your home or your yard and to confiscate and destroy ANY plant - whether it be "legal" or "illegal", tomatoes, squash, marijuana or opium poppies.

Their authority to do so is clear - under the "Commerce Clause" (United States Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 3), and has been repeatedly upheld by the courts - including the United States Supreme Court see Wickard v. Filburn and Gonzales v. Raich.

You want to "grow your own"? Fine, take the chance, but don't be surprised when armed agents show up at your door, constitutionally authorized to shut you down.

/And stop with the cop hate. They're just doing their jobs


Yeah, see, the Commerce Clause is not the issue here and I'm sure you know that. Also, I don't specifically hate the cops - I hate the laws that allow the cops to do things like this, the near-total immunity from wrongdoing they enjoy when they screw it up and I also think it is worth pointing out that many of the worst acts in human history have been committed by people "just doing their jobs".

Not that I think a poorly-justified raid on an indoor vegetable garden is even on the radar as one of the worst acts in human history, mind you. It's not. It's just good old fashioned bad police work and I think they deserve being taken to task for it.
 
2013-03-30 02:41:17 PM

Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.


What no doubt really happened is that they either got their name from where they bought the equipment or else watched them buy it and ran the plates.  They assume it's a grow op and make up what they need to get a judge to sign off.

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


There isn't enough "evidence" here to justify a warrant.  Either the cops lied to the judge (which means the cops should be in jail) or the judge is rubber-stamping warrants (which means the cops and the judge should be in jail.)

super_grass: They were doing something suspicious, who cares. When you learn that someone suddenly purchased a huge amount of hydroponic equipment, what's the first thing that comes to your mind?  That's what I thought.

I bet the whiners here are naive/dumb enough to think that law enforcement shouldn't investigate when someone suddenly buys half a truckload of fertilizer or cough syrup from pharmacies all over town.


When someone buys more of a suspicious substance than they can reasonably use then the police should have a look.  However, so long as a reasonable, legal use exists that shouldn't be enough for a warrant.

The reality is that people sometimes do indoor gardening.  Usually only to get a jump on the growing season but occasionally they go farther, or they're growing things like orchids in a climate utterly unsuited for them and the only way to do it is under lights.

As for buying suspicious things--long ago my parents bought hundreds of pounds of ammonium nitrate (the stuff in the Oklahoma bomb) despite living in the suburbs.  Perfectly legit--it's not going to spoil and this was back when a going out of business sale meant really good discounts.  IIRC it was something like 70%-80% off.  They never needed to buy fertilizer again.
 
2013-03-30 02:42:56 PM

nocturnal001: Oh, and lol at the morons saying "oh you bought garden supplies so that was suspicious"

If hydroponic supplies are evidence enough to warrant a drug search then owning a gun is enough to be raided every time there is a murder.

Expected response if that had happened "huuurr dem gubmint trying to harass gun owners. F the police and Obama!"


So I was incorrect in thinking that they could still use thermal imaging as justification for a warrant.

Indeed, in 2001 the Supreme Court, in a decision written by conservative Justice Antonin Scalia, ruled that police could not use heat-detection devices outside a home to detect marijuana grow lights inside. Not only does the device violate the home dweller's expectation of privacy, said Scalia, but the technology could detect many other innocent details of the homeowner's life, like "the hour at which the lady of the house takes her bath."
Florida contends, however, that using drug-detection dogs is not analogous to technology because there is no constitutional right to possess contraband, and the state maintains that dogs trained to detect illegal drugs do not alert to other substances.


But they, you know, try to find ways around that.

"The Canadian town of Mission, BC has a bylaw that allows the town's Public Safety Inspection Team to search people's homes for grow ops if they are using more than 93 kWh of electricity per day. There have allegedly been reports floating in IRC of two different cases of police showing up at a <a data-cke-saved-href="https://news.slashdot.org/story/11/05/19/0149234/ Mint-It-Yourself-With -a-Browser-Based-Bitcoin-Miner">Bitcoin miner's residence with a search warrant. Ohio police and the DEA file at least 60 subpoenas each month for energy-use records of people suspected of running an indoor pot growing operation. DEA Agent Anthony Marotta said high electricity usage does not always mean the residence is an indoor pot farm and has surprised federal agents. 'We thought it was a major grow operation ... but this guy had <a data-cke-saved-href="http://blogs.computerworld.com/18335/bitcoin_mine rs_busted_police_conf use_bitcoin_power_usage_for_pot_farm">some kind of business involving computers. I don't know how many computer servers we found in his home.'"

I'm not going to Google any more for you.  It might be a touch paranoid, but knowing they can see my freaking library records (thanks, Patriot Act), you really think looking at large credit transactions (at least) from hydro shops *wouldn't* be done if they could swing it?  Might not be able to use it in court, but hey, we were walking our drug sniffing dog...
 
2013-03-30 02:43:05 PM

ideamaster: You mean to say that police officers would lie under oath to secure a warrant?


Dude...wtf?! Cops never lie, and if they did lie under oath, would suffer the same penalties as anyone else.

/or not
 
2013-03-30 02:43:24 PM
How did I know that there would be some Monsanto derp up in this thread. Get a grip, people.
 
2013-03-30 02:45:19 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: way south: There were millions of places they could have gone, but obviously you're doing something wrong enough to get their attention.

You've always struck me as a fiscal conservative kind of guy once all the derp has been scraped away. How much do you think the surveillance, raid, and lawsuit are going to cost? Would you say that was money well spent?


Good question. I still think the money was well spent.

It sent a message.
 
2013-03-30 02:47:03 PM
Maybe they are related to Elijah Johnson.
 
2013-03-30 02:54:15 PM
Maybe they shouldn't have bought and set up drug manufacturing equipment, regardless of what they intended to grow. If you want vegetables, till the ground and plant them like everyone else.
 
2013-03-30 02:58:27 PM

Rueened: Monkeyhouse Zendo: way south: There were millions of places they could have gone, but obviously you're doing something wrong enough to get their attention.

You've always struck me as a fiscal conservative kind of guy once all the derp has been scraped away. How much do you think the surveillance, raid, and lawsuit are going to cost? Would you say that was money well spent?

Good question. I still think the money was well spent.

It sent a message.


You are amazingly full of shiat. Either actively trolling or warping your philosophy to match your politics. Typical self identified conservative who has no clue what conservatism Iis.
Sends a message. Lol. If a few of these people get fired over shoddy police work that will be the message sent.

The midwest is full of meth labs and these retards are looking for pot growers?
 
2013-03-30 03:01:57 PM

A Shambling Mound: Amos Quito: Boy, there's a LOT of cop hate in this thread.

What none of you seem to understand is that the government is perfectly within its rights to enter your home or your yard and to confiscate and destroy ANY plant - whether it be "legal" or "illegal", tomatoes, squash, marijuana or opium poppies.

Their authority to do so is clear - under the "Commerce Clause" (United States Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 3), and has been repeatedly upheld by the courts - including the United States Supreme Court see Wickard v. Filburn and Gonzales v. Raich.

You want to "grow your own"? Fine, take the chance, but don't be surprised when armed agents show up at your door, constitutionally authorized to shut you down.

/And stop with the cop hate. They're just doing their jobs

Yeah, see, the Commerce Clause is not the issue here and I'm sure you know that. Also, I don't specifically hate the cops - I hate the laws that allow the cops to do things like this, the near-total immunity from wrongdoing they enjoy when they screw it up and I also think it is worth pointing out that many of the worst acts in human history have been committed by people "just doing their jobs".

Not that I think a poorly-justified raid on an indoor vegetable garden is even on the radar as one of the worst acts in human history, mind you. It's not. It's just good old fashioned bad police work and I think they deserve being taken to task for it.



I was trolling just a little with the "Commerce Clause" bit - but not much: Point being that there is NOTHING that the government can't do under the guise of "regulating commerce" if it so desires.

Fark that shiat.
 
2013-03-30 03:04:34 PM

panfried: Maybe they shouldn't have bought and set up drug manufacturing equipment, regardless of what they intended to grow. If you want vegetables, till the ground and plant them like everyone else.


thumbs.dreamstime.com
Cause that's the way things are, goldangit!


*snort*

3/10
 
2013-03-30 03:11:29 PM
As outrageous as this whole event was, this lawsuit could have EASILY been avoided if the cops had only remembered to follow the "plant" rule:

Whenever conducting a raid, ALWAYS bring along a decent amount of (pot cocaine heroin, meth - whatever) JUST IN CASE the people you are raiding happen to be innocent.

If the cops had done this, they could have avoided all of this nasty publicity and lawsuit, confiscated and sold their house, cars (etc), emptied their bank accounts AND gotten an increase in tax funding for the subsequent year.

Heroes!

What's wrong with cops these days?

Would they go camping without bringing a sweater? Then why go on a "drug raid" without bringing "emergency drugs"?


/And some throw-away guns, of course
 
2013-03-30 03:12:51 PM

MrHappyRotter: Every time I see the cops pulling into the apartment complex, it always runs through my mind that my door is going to be the next one they knock on (or knock in as the case sometimes is).  I grow most of my plants under lights in semi-hydro fashion.  After dark, my bedroom window illuminates the whole corner of my building even with the blinds closed and my neighbors and the maintenance staff have flat out asked if I'm growing weed or told me they assumed I was.  Of course, I do periodically hit up the hydroponics shop -- where I always feel a little uncomfy going into because of the stereotype and the odd chance that I'm being monitored.

It's really a shame, too.  You can't grow indoor plants as a dedicated hobby without being cast into a shadow of suspicion.  Never mind the fact that I'm growing beautiful orchids, bromeliads, cacti, succulents and even garden vegetables and herbs.  In fact, I just harvested some of the most amazing smelling and best tasting rosemary from my bedroom yesterday and used it to flavor up my pork chops.  I can't wait to see how the peppers turn out once they start maturing.


Here.  Try some of my sandalwood insence.  Made it out of my own sandals!  Here.  Let me light it for you! Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff!
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!
 
2013-03-30 03:18:35 PM
Most people seem to know so little about plants that owning anything green could be probable cause.  I have a room in my house dedicated to jasmine (no hydroponics necessary) and when I have people over someone always asks if it is pot.

They don't look alike, they don't smell alike.  I don't get it.
 
2013-03-30 03:29:42 PM

Amos Quito: As outrageous as this whole event was, this lawsuit could have EASILY been avoided if the cops had only remembered to follow the "plant" rule:

Whenever conducting a raid, ALWAYS bring along a decent amount of (pot cocaine heroin, meth - whatever) JUST IN CASE the people you are raiding happen to be innocent.

If the cops had done this, they could have avoided all of this nasty publicity and lawsuit, confiscated and sold their house, cars (etc), emptied their bank accounts AND gotten an increase in tax funding for the subsequent year.

Heroes!

What's wrong with cops these days?

Would they go camping without bringing a sweater? Then why go on a "drug raid" without bringing "emergency drugs"?


/And some throw-away guns, of course


Do you live in Ohio, too? Or is this pretty common in other states?
 
2013-03-30 03:30:03 PM

Rufus Lee King: Hermione


Tell you what. I will, when Fark does.
 
2013-03-30 03:32:13 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.

Energy use + heat/thermal sensing iirc is enough.

I bought our grow lights at a hydro shop and we've got a house with 3 emvironmental non profit workers. If my city was idiotic I'd expect to get raided. Thankfully they're not.


Reminds me that we just got a nice thermal imager for work.  For S and Gs, I think I'll take it with me when I walk the dog tonight....
 
2013-03-30 03:36:08 PM
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
 
2013-03-30 03:41:07 PM

snocone: way south: Monkeyhouse Zendo: way south: There were millions of places they could have gone, but obviously you're doing something wrong enough to get their attention.

You've always struck me as a fiscal conservative kind of guy once all the derp has been scraped away. How much do you think the surveillance, raid, and lawsuit are going to cost? Would you say that was money well spent?

A few million, and all wasted, but the cops won't care unless it comes out of their pay.
They need to prove that they are fighting the drug war. If you are doing something that puts you on their target list (criminal or not), there is a fair chance they'll pick your name from the hat more than once.

/too lazy to look it up, but I recall an article on FARK where the same family got raided half a dozen times.
/something in the cops methodology kept making that address a target, even after lawsuits.

Pretty good definition of psychotic behavior.
That could get one locked up, if one were not above the law and all.




If only I were king. I'd make cops sit through the same legal process like any civilian would. No more internal affairs or special handling of cases. Screw up at your job, explain it to a judge and jury.

/but the heads of these departments are either political appointees or elected officials themselves.
/we don't treat them like the hired civilian militia they are, so we get screwed.
 
2013-03-30 03:42:35 PM

panfried: Maybe they shouldn't have bought and set up drug manufacturing equipment, regardless of what they intended to grow. If you want vegetables, till the ground and plant them like everyone else.


That's the single stupidest goddamned statement I've heard this year. You sir, might possibly be dumber than dog shiat.
 
2013-03-30 03:48:26 PM
When you start letting people grow their own squash and tomatoes, sooner or later they'll move on to harder vegetables, like sprouts, beans, and lettuce.  They were right to raid them.
 
2013-03-30 03:58:18 PM

Amos Quito: I was trolling just a little with the "Commerce Clause" bit - but not much: Point being that there is NOTHING that the government can't do under the guise of "regulating commerce" if it so desires.

Fark that shiat.


Fair enough. Carry on, then.
 
2013-03-30 04:05:06 PM
Did they shoot the three legged pet dog for good measure?
 
2013-03-30 04:11:37 PM

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


They came to the house with assault rifles and full body armor to "check it out".
 
2013-03-30 04:24:22 PM

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


6/10 Not bad.
 
2013-03-30 04:36:52 PM

GORDON: artillery


Umm... Artillery? By what definition?
 
2013-03-30 04:44:04 PM

UnspokenVoice: GORDON: artillery

Umm... Artillery? By what definition?


Uh, HELLO. They had DEADLY ASSAULT WEAPONS, which could be used to inflict VIOLENCE.

C'mon. HAVEN'T U PEOPEL ANY HEARTS AFTER ALL THOSE CHILDRENS WERE MASSACRED BY DEADLY ASSAULT WEAPONS?

/watch this drive
 
2013-03-30 05:36:44 PM

bearcats1983: Went to a friend's apartment a few years ago to watch a game. He showed me this ingenious grow operation he built in his laundry room. Using forced oxygen, grow lights, and a timed watering system, his plants were all around six feet tall. It was all impressive, but I have to admit I was nervous as shiat the cops were going to bust in at any moment.

/csb


Flicks on lights. ..*BOOM*
 
2013-03-30 05:37:51 PM

Amos Quito: A Shambling Mound: Amos Quito: Boy, there's a LOT of cop hate in this thread.

What none of you seem to understand is that the government is perfectly within its rights to enter your home or your yard and to confiscate and destroy ANY plant - whether it be "legal" or "illegal", tomatoes, squash, marijuana or opium poppies.

Their authority to do so is clear - under the "Commerce Clause" (United States Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 3), and has been repeatedly upheld by the courts - including the United States Supreme Court see Wickard v. Filburn and Gonzales v. Raich.

You want to "grow your own"? Fine, take the chance, but don't be surprised when armed agents show up at your door, constitutionally authorized to shut you down.

/And stop with the cop hate. They're just doing their jobs

Yeah, see, the Commerce Clause is not the issue here and I'm sure you know that. Also, I don't specifically hate the cops - I hate the laws that allow the cops to do things like this, the near-total immunity from wrongdoing they enjoy when they screw it up and I also think it is worth pointing out that many of the worst acts in human history have been committed by people "just doing their jobs".

Not that I think a poorly-justified raid on an indoor vegetable garden is even on the radar as one of the worst acts in human history, mind you. It's not. It's just good old fashioned bad police work and I think they deserve being taken to task for it.


I was trolling just a little with the "Commerce Clause" bit - but not much: Point being that there is NOTHING that the government can't do under the guise of "regulating commerce" if it so desires.

Fark that shiat.


They can sure do a lot, but there have been successful challenges to the commerce clause.  I am mostly a federal guy but I think that clause is abused a bit.

http://www.fark.com/comments/7674147/83330353#c83330353" target="_blank" data-cke-saved-href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7674147/83330353#c8 3330353">BuckTurgidson: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 Pfft, Friggin Bleeding heart liberal hippie.  We all know that just like there is only 1 book I need, there is only 1 amendment needed as well. (the 2nd)  If you ain't got nothing to hide then why care? Huh? Note that this attitude does not extend to gun licensing or background checks, I don't trust the government to not mess with me and try to take mah gun.
 
2013-03-30 05:40:53 PM

Amos Quito: Boy, there's a LOT of cop hate in this thread.


When it comes to the drug war it's very justified.
 
2013-03-30 06:32:23 PM

Loren: Amos Quito: Boy, there's a LOT of cop hate in this thread.

When it comes to the drug war it's very justified.



Agreed 1000%

Like I said above, I was engaging in a bit of sarcastic trollin'.
 
2013-03-30 06:50:00 PM

Amos Quito: Loren: Amos Quito: Boy, there's a LOT of cop hate in this thread.

When it comes to the drug war it's very justified.


Agreed 1000%

Like I said above, I was engaging in a bit of sarcastic trollin'.


People forget that cops are real people. You always get a mixture of good people and assholes. Plus even a good guy can wind up doing wrong if the system forces his hand.
 
2013-03-30 07:08:37 PM
CruiserTwelve:By the way, where's the profit in marijuana raids?

Aside from the obvious overtime and the trend towards billing for pre-trial detention, there's civil forfeiture.  If someone gets busted aren't you going to take their house, car, and bank accounts?
 
2013-03-30 07:19:02 PM

bunner: bearcats1983: Went to a friend's apartment a few years ago to watch a game. He showed me this ingenious grow operation he built in his laundry room. Using forced oxygen, grow lights, and a timed watering system, his plants were all around six feet tall. It was all impressive, but I have to admit I was nervous as shiat the cops were going to bust in at any moment.

/csb

What part of "nothing you say on the internet is anonymous or untraceable" don't you get?


Maybe because I haven't done anything wrong so I have nothing to fear? I haven't seen or spoken to him in about five years, I'm pretty sure I'll be fine.
 
2013-03-30 07:24:36 PM
"'If this can happen to us and we are educated and have reasonable resources, how does somebody who maybe hasn't led a perfect life supposed to be free in this country?' Adlynn Harte said in an interview Friday. "

That's pretty funny coming from an ex-CIA.
 
2013-03-30 07:59:12 PM

nocturnal001: Amos Quito: Loren: Amos Quito: Boy, there's a LOT of cop hate in this thread.

When it comes to the drug war it's very justified.


Agreed 1000%

Like I said above, I was engaging in a bit of sarcastic trollin'.

People forget that cops are real people. You always get a mixture of good people and assholes. Plus even a good guy can wind up doing wrong if the system forces his hand.



Yeah, cops are real people. So are gangsters.

If I start hanging out with gangsters, the chances are pretty good that I'll be going where gangsters go, and behaving like gangsters behave.

Because I don't approve of gangsters, their lifestyle, the things they do, and the way they treat others, I choose not to hang out with gangsters.

I do have a choice.

So do cops.
 
2013-03-30 08:14:04 PM
Sounds like the couple are fortunate that their house and equipment werent trashed at the occupants expense.  That is a procedurally protected activity for enforcement, it often seems.
 
2013-03-30 08:55:41 PM

Frederick: Sounds like the couple are fortunate that their house and equipment werent trashed at the occupants expense.  That is a procedurally protected activity for enforcement, it often seems.


And if they have a dog, they're lucky it's still breathing.
 
2013-03-30 09:00:15 PM

CruiserTwelve: By the way, where's the profit in marijuana raids?


At the 7-Eleven downwind of the incinerator.
 
2013-03-30 09:15:49 PM

Frederick: Sounds like the couple are fortunate that their house and equipment werent trashed at the occupants expense.  That is a procedurally protected activity for enforcement, it often seems.


My thought was when I saw 'former CIA employees', was these officers were lucky half of them weren't killed as they entered the house and water boarded the rest to find out who thought of the stupid idea to hit their house.  Then they just turn up somewhere else and the house is found abandoned except for the dead bodies of their fellow officers.  The couple is never heard from again, by that name.
 
2013-03-30 09:24:12 PM
"bearcats1983: Went to a friend's apartment a few years ago to watch a game. He showed me this ingenious grow operation he built in his laundry room. Using forced oxygen, grow lights, and a timed watering system, his plants were all around six feet tall. It was all impressive, but I have to admit I was nervous as shiat the cops were going to bust in at any moment."

I am not a farmer or a gardener or any of that shiat. I eat my veggies from a can as God intended - so excuse my ignorance. But what does "forced oxygen" do?  Dpn't plants take in CO2? Is O2 just as good? Does it work better?
 
2013-03-30 09:46:01 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: ideamaster: You mean to say that police officers would lie under oath to secure a warrant?

Dude...wtf?! Cops never lie, and if they did lie under oath, would suffer the same penalties as anyone else.

/or not


Six weeks off with Pay?
 
2013-03-30 10:21:14 PM

panfried: Maybe they shouldn't have bought and set up drug manufacturing equipment, regardless of what they intended to grow. If you want vegetables, till the ground and plant them like everyone else.


*Plonk*

So anyway, CSB time.  Last winter, I built a cold frame for my tomatoes, eggplants and peppers.  From November until March, I start getting a serious jones for fried green tomatoes and eggplant ratatouille, and it's really hard to get good eggplants or green tomatoes in midwinter.  At least this gives me a way to keep some plants producing until December or January--maybe even a little later, if I use a lamp or two for extra light and heat.  Winters are usually relatively mild here.

A certain cousin of mine, the family shiat-stirrer, worked for the county DA in some capacity.  While she was visiting her parents--we live next door to them--she saw the PVC frame and the lamps and asked what was going on over there, and her mother told her that I was trying to keep my tomatoes and eggplant alive.

"Oh.  'Tomatoes,' right," she says with air quotes.  "You mean the kind of 'tomatoes' you roll and smoke?"

"Noooo, the kind of tomatoes you eat with olive oil and eggplant," says the aunt.

"Right.  Okay," says the cousin.

Two days later we get a reasonably polite visit from law enforcement asking about the frame.  Which I show them.  They poke around for a few minutes, thank me for my time and go on their merry way. Every two weeks or so this scene repeats until spring.

The cousin is presently angry that I never visit and rarely have much to say to her when she's around.
 
2013-03-30 10:27:58 PM

AAlumni: "bearcats1983: Went to a friend's apartment a few years ago to watch a game. He showed me this ingenious grow operation he built in his laundry room. Using forced oxygen, grow lights, and a timed watering system, his plants were all around six feet tall. It was all impressive, but I have to admit I was nervous as shiat the cops were going to bust in at any moment."

I am not a farmer or a gardener or any of that shiat. I eat my veggies from a can as God intended - so excuse my ignorance. But what does "forced oxygen" do?  Dpn't plants take in CO2? Is O2 just as good? Does it work better?


At night, plants metabolize the starches they created during daytime photosynthesis to grow. Similar to mammals, this process requires oxygen. More oxygen = stronger, consistent growth.
 
2013-03-30 11:23:31 PM

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: panfried: Maybe they shouldn't have bought and set up drug manufacturing equipment, regardless of what they intended to grow. If you want vegetables, till the ground and plant them like everyone else.

*Plonk*

So anyway, CSB time.  Last winter, I built a cold frame for my tomatoes, eggplants and peppers.  From November until March, I start getting a serious jones for fried green tomatoes and eggplant ratatouille, and it's really hard to get good eggplants or green tomatoes in midwinter.  At least this gives me a way to keep some plants producing until December or January--maybe even a little later, if I use a lamp or two for extra light and heat.  Winters are usually relatively mild here.

A certain cousin of mine, the family shiat-stirrer, worked for the county DA in some capacity.  While she was visiting her parents--we live next door to them--she saw the PVC frame and the lamps and asked what was going on over there, and her mother told her that I was trying to keep my tomatoes and eggplant alive.

"Oh.  'Tomatoes,' right," she says with air quotes.  "You mean the kind of 'tomatoes' you roll and smoke?"

"Noooo, the kind of tomatoes you eat with olive oil and eggplant," says the aunt.

"Right.  Okay," says the cousin.

Two days later we get a reasonably polite visit from law enforcement asking about the frame.  Which I show them.  They poke around for a few minutes, thank me for my time and go on their merry way. Every two weeks or so this scene repeats until spring.

The cousin is presently angry that I never visit and rarely have much to say to her when she's around.



1.bp.blogspot.com

Might I suggest that, in addition to your small-scale hobby farming, you should consider keeping pigs?
 
2013-03-30 11:28:45 PM

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Two days later we get a reasonably polite visit from law enforcement asking about the frame. Which I show them. They poke around for a few minutes, thank me for my time and go on their merry way. Every two weeks or so this scene repeats until spring.


A reasonably polite visit is how such things should be handled.  Not over and over, though.
 
2013-03-30 11:39:35 PM
Smirky - WOW. I wouldn't hesitate to tell her exactly why you never visit. What a biatch; that's not family, that's meddling power-hungry, ladder-climbing narc behavior.

/she says while trying to figure out the easiest way to ignore her BIL for the rest of eternity...
 
2013-03-30 11:43:59 PM

whither_apophis: Growing your own food? Hell ya that's illegal. "Buy Monsanto Act" 2013 just passed Congress.


Oh for chrissakes. Another hippie scared of science?
 
2013-03-30 11:52:04 PM

Thunderpipes: whither_apophis: Growing your own food? Hell ya that's illegal. "Buy Monsanto Act" 2013 just passed Congress.

Oh for chrissakes. Another hippie scared of science?


You sound uninformed.

/and that's being optimistic
 
2013-03-31 12:00:21 AM

ladyfortuna: Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.

You're full of derp. The only mention of a warrant is this: During the sweep, the court filing said, the Hartes were told they had been under surveillance for months, but the couple "know of no basis for conducting such surveillance nor do they believe such surveillance would have produced any facts supporting the issuance of a search warrant."

No where in the article does it say they were actually presented with a warrant, which may in fact be the whole point of this lawsuit. Granted it could go either way, but based on the actual text, there's no way to know if there was a warrant or not.


I think the absence of a warrant would have been mentioned.  Whether the warrant was based upon tainted representations of probable cause is what's at issue.  The cops are making it difficult to determine that.
 
2013-03-31 12:01:56 AM

Radak: "...sheriff's deputies searched their home in the upscale Kansas City suburb ofLeawood last April 20 as part of Operation Constant Gardener..."

Someone at the Sheriff's office has a sense of humor.


This is at least the 2nd time they've pulled such a sweep on 4/20.
 
2013-03-31 12:17:39 AM

Thunderpipes: whither_apophis: Growing your own food? Hell ya that's illegal. "Buy Monsanto Act" 2013 just passed Congress.

Oh for chrissakes. Another hippie scared of science?


FYI, Monsanto recently copyrighted the word *scienceTM.

You, sir, are in violation, and will soon be visited by government enforcement thugs.


/Pack a toothbrush


*"Science" is a registered trademark of Monsanto Corporation
 
2013-03-31 12:18:29 AM

ladyfortuna: Hobodeluxe: ladyfortuna: Snort: Look at the fricking warrant! They have to provide some evidence for wanting to search a home.

The article is full of derp.

You're full of derp. The only mention of a warrant is this: During the sweep, the court filing said, the Hartes were told they had been under surveillance for months, but the couple "know of no basis for conducting such surveillance nor do they believe such surveillance would have produced any facts supporting the issuance of a search warrant."

No where in the article does it say they were actually presented with a warrant, which may in fact be the whole point of this lawsuit. Granted it could go either way, but based on the actual text, there's no way to know if there was a warrant or not.

pretty sure they had a warrant. the problem is "did they have just cause for the warrant?"  did they lie to the judge to get the warrant? upon which criteria did they justify their months long surveillance?  they saw them leave the hydroponics store?  is that all it takes to get the cops to do a stakeout on you?

Again, though, it doesn't actually SAY they had a warrant. Just Cause is also part of the issue of course, but unless they revise the article one should never assume. There are a lot of examples just here on Fark of police requesting entry 'just because' and then seizing items after the fact, no warrant involved at all. And believe me, I'm no anti-cop ITG, but you can't argue with all the examples.


"Nearly a year after the SWAT-style raid, the Hartes still don't know what evidence deputies used to persuade a judge to grant a warrant to search their home in the 10300 block of Wenonga Lane on April 20. Their requests for records that could provide such information have been denied by the sheriff's office."

Better now, dear?

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/03/30/4151902/futile-pot-raid-spurs-la w suit.html#storylink=cp
 
2013-03-31 12:28:55 AM
Sure. It's fact instead of vague statements, so I accept it.
 
2013-03-31 02:39:34 AM

ladyfortuna: Sure. It's fact instead of vague statements, so I accept it.


If the sheriff is saying there's no affidavit of probable cause, I would think the court would have a copy and he'd be in deep yogurt.  The couple seems to be after records of communications within the task force before and after the sweep, too, and the claim that there are none seems disingenuous.
 
2013-03-31 02:42:45 AM
growing paraphernalia

Are you kidding me?
 
2013-03-31 02:50:38 AM

Uisce Beatha: CruiserTwelve: By the way, where's the profit in marijuana raids?

Two words:  Asset Forfeiture


ding ding we have a winner. they could have taken the home,vehicles etc, sold it and used that money for new police cars etc..or just to pay themselves bonuses.
 
2013-03-31 08:05:50 AM

Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.


I assume you're trolling but still. How is buying a grow light acting like you're committing a crime?

I own a pair of bolt cutters. should I be investigated for burglary?
I own a gas can. Should I be investigated for arson?
I own a gun. Should I be investigated for armed robbery?
I have a dog. Should I be investigated for dog fighting?

Simply owning things that criminals use to commit crimes does not automatically make you a criminal.
 
2013-03-31 09:40:31 AM
Subby/Farkers please submit the follow up on this.
 
2013-03-31 10:56:20 AM

abhorrent1: Begoggle: I love all the outrage.
They acted like they were growing pot.
Police checked it out, and they weren't, end of story.
If you act like you're committing a crime, expect the police to look at you closely.

I assume you're trolling but still. How is buying a grow light acting like you're committing a crime?

I own a pair of bolt cutters. should I be investigated for burglary?
I own a gas can. Should I be investigated for arson?
I own a gun. Should I be investigated for armed robbery?
I have a dog. Should I be investigated for dog fighting?

Simply owning things that criminals use to commit crimes does not automatically make you a criminal.


Oh yea, got an AR-15 and a few months?
Step right up, you farking criminal.
 
2013-03-31 12:19:00 PM
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