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(Daily Yomiuri)   Japan to legislate mandatory safety classes for rogue bicycle riders. "Ignoring traffic lights and drunk riding are among the offenses being considered"   (yomiuri.co.jp) divider line 47
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2013-03-30 08:49:38 AM
And they say that we have too many people in jail on drug offenses. Wait until they have to start putting people in the pokey for not following traffic laws while bicycling.
 
2013-03-30 10:08:01 AM
Just give car drivers free gas for taking out idiot bicyclists.  Would cost less than trying to educate the inconsiderate, pompous assholes.
 
2013-03-30 10:12:04 AM
OMG can we please do this here?

I <3 the fact that MSP is a biketopia, but jesus, nobody obeys a goddamn stop sign.

I mean yeah, Darwin and all, but the drivers who hit these folks have to live with THAT the rest of their lives...and surviving family/friends...

/just stop for the sign or light, folks
//also didn't actually RTFA yet
 
2013-03-30 10:15:00 AM
Here in Maryland, and Virginia IIRC, they already have that covered with "drunk in public".  Walking, riding a bike, it doesn't matter.

Had a buddy charged with this when he was walking home from a party.  He thought he was being responsible by not driving.
 
2013-03-30 10:16:23 AM
Ohh... a bike hate thread. What happened? Did we run out of obscure beers to brag about?
 
2013-03-30 10:21:43 AM
Biker here.  Jail the Italian cycling cap and skinny jeans waring fixie riding farkers.  Makes all of us who obey the traffic laws look bad.
 
2013-03-30 10:22:54 AM
This is the bike my rogue rides:
2.bp.blogspot.com

I don't see the problem.
 
2013-03-30 10:22:55 AM
Weird seeing as in Japan cyclists (yes, the bi prefix isn't necessary) ride on the pavement quite freely and sound their bells to have instant right-of-way status over pedestrians. There's even videos on YouTube of people ringing bells while walking with the same results, as a kind of prank or social experiment. At least that's how it seems, they all look the same to me...
 
2013-03-30 10:23:05 AM

AngryTeacher: Ohh... a bike hate thread. What happened? Did we run out of obscure beers to brag about?


THIS. Because douchey aggrofat roadrage is boring.

'Waaah! All those poooor oh-so-responsible drivers who must live with the guilt of wiping out cyclists because they were too busy cell phoning, texting, twiddling their radio dials, or wiping Big Mac sauce off their laps.'
 
2013-03-30 10:23:33 AM

AngryTeacher: Ohh... a bike hate thread. What happened? Did we run out of obscure beers to brag about?


I don't hate people who bike. I hate idiots who think they're professionals and that the main roads in the DC MD VA area are closed-course bike races and form a peleton in the middle of the road when there's a perfectly good bike path running parallel to the road they're riding on....
 
2013-03-30 10:25:40 AM

AngryTeacher: Ohh... a bike hate thread. What happened? Did we run out of obscure beers to brag about?


Yeti is a name of both a brand of bicycle and a beer by Great Divide Brewing, both in Colorado.  A Double Yeti is just a beer.  I have them both in my fridge.  The beers, not the bicycles.
 
2013-03-30 10:25:41 AM
This should've happened decades ago.

While driving my Toyota Liteace minivan in Sagamihara, I almost wiped out a dumbass cyclist in Japan when he ran a red light. I locked up the brakes and his face was about 6 inches from my windshield when I finally stopped. He was drunk on his bike and oblivious to his surroundings. If I had been driving a car with a long front end he wouldn't be among the living.

I saw the skid marks the next morning (well, both of them) the ones on the road were almost 100 feet and the ones in my pants I didn't measure.

Lucky I didn't hit this guy, I would've been paying his family for several years while he healed.

I can still see that guy's face. His eyes were very big, like an anime character.
 
2013-03-30 10:27:45 AM

Emo Jeezus: AngryTeacher: Ohh... a bike hate thread. What happened? Did we run out of obscure beers to brag about?

THIS. Because douchey aggrofat roadrage is boring.

'Waaah! All those poooor oh-so-responsible drivers who must live with the guilt of wiping out cyclists because they were too busy cell phoning, texting, twiddling their radio dials, or wiping Big Mac sauce off their laps.'


To be fair, nowadays the cyclists are also busy cell phoning, texting, twiddling their knobs, and wiping secret sauce off their lips.

/the secret ingredient is semen
 
2013-03-30 10:31:20 AM
Another MSP person as well as a biker. Every time I'm at a corner, I watch drivers eye me like they're watching their insurance premiums flash before their eyes. I don't blame them, even if I stop for them it doesn't mean anyone else will.

/quick guide: No helmet, over 25, wearing street clothes on cheap-looking bike = They'll stop. Helmet, jeans/T-Shirt = They're going to at least look. Helmet, skinsuit, matching fannypack = not even going to try.
 
2013-03-30 10:41:50 AM

revn67: This should've happened decades ago.

...I can still see that guy's face. His eyes were very big, like an anime character.


Duh, they're all like that.
 
2013-03-30 10:54:42 AM
Almost hit some trashy piece of shiat while making a right turn on red a few weeks ago. Guess he decided stoplights don't apply to him and that he could just cruise on through the intersection. I honked, he tried to wave me to come fight him. Stupid fark.

But I'm sure I was texting, reading, eating, or just generally being unclean for driving a car. All my fault, right? Cyclists who pull shiat like that are a minority not worth talking about, right? But me, being in a car, I MUST have been doing something wrong, yeah?
 
2013-03-30 10:56:13 AM
Would be nice if they did the same in Seattle.
 
2013-03-30 11:05:40 AM

AngryTeacher: Ohh... a bike hate thread. What happened? Did we run out of obscure beers to brag about?


What we need here is a news article and thread about Republican Walmart executive bicyclists who flout traffic laws.
 
2013-03-30 11:07:02 AM
I work at a university, we have a lot of bicyclists all over the place. I very rarely see one follow the rules of the road. They demand all the privileges with none of the responsibility.

I also bike recreationly at home and take the bus to work so I'm hardly a crazy SUV bike hater.
 
2013-03-30 11:11:50 AM

Silly Jesus: Just give car drivers free gas for taking out idiot bicyclists.  Would cost less than trying to educate the inconsiderate, pompous assholes.


Amen!
 
2013-03-30 11:13:37 AM

Mentalpatient87: Almost hit some trashy piece of shiat while making a right turn on red a few weeks ago. Guess he decided stoplights don't apply to him and that he could just cruise on through the intersection. I honked, he tried to wave me to come fight him. Stupid fark.

But I'm sure I was texting, reading, eating, or just generally being unclean for driving a car. All my fault, right? Cyclists who pull shiat like that are a minority not worth talking about, right? But me, being in a car, I MUST have been doing something wrong, yeah?


I would have slowed and try to -barely- tap his bike. he gets of and come to the side, floor it.
 
2013-03-30 11:14:57 AM

People_are_Idiots: I would have slowed and try to -barely- tap his bike. he gets of off and comes to the side, floor it.


FTFM
 
2013-03-30 11:15:25 AM
Just a friendly reminder to my fellow MSP bikers: drinking and biking is not against the law on its own here. If you can't hold your shiat together well enough to ride in a straight line, you can be arrested and it's not a good idea anyway. But if your reflexes and coordination are not too badly degraded, biking isn't hard. A helmet is probably a good idea if you have a tendency to be a klutz. An added benefit: a hangover is greatly diminished if you get in that little bit of exercise on the way home. Not sure why this works, but it does.

If you do this, stay off the busy streets and definitely stop at any red light or stop sign -- your quick decision-making isn't as good as it normally is, and it's not as good as you think when you're sober anyway. Keep the drinks to a reasonable level. And lights! Both front and back! Follow these rules and have yourself a trouble-free summer enjoying the local nightlife.

Note: none of the preceding should be construed to constitute legal advice.
 
2013-03-30 11:20:35 AM
What the hell is an MSP?
 
2013-03-30 11:27:48 AM
I have no problem with this. Bikes have always existed in sort of a legal grey area, someone somewhere has to start laying down some ground rules and making them known.
 
2013-03-30 11:29:45 AM

lindseyp: What the hell is an MSP?


It's a Minneapolis, and a St. Paul, all rolled into one.
 
2013-03-30 11:29:52 AM
To include the biker hate.
Several stories repeated here by me, but the only one that needs telling again was a (pictures showed her as very cute) moron who was weaving in and out of traffic, had me calling 911 due to not caring. She blew through a stop light and was creamed and killed by a dump truck that was on a green.
 
2013-03-30 11:29:58 AM

People_are_Idiots: I would have slowed and try to -barely- tap his bike.


He was a prick, but that's not about to make me commit vehicular assault. By the look of the guy, just letting him go about his life was about the most damage I could have done.
 
2013-03-30 11:40:29 AM
I repeatedly saw hundreds of Japanese bikers commuting without incident.   That's really all I have to say, except "Hi, Mom!"

- While true, it didn't get me a return guest host spot on Point, Counterpoint.
 
2013-03-30 12:00:57 PM
Bicycle citations should count as a point against your driving record.  Not worth the risk to gain 30 seconds at a red light, problem solved
 
2013-03-30 12:37:29 PM
I'm actually very appreciative when I see bicyclists/motorcyclists riding side by side or 4 to a group on the roads. The major highways around here don't have bike lanes, but the majority of the city streets aren't busy enough so the problem sort of works itself out.

That being said, any moron who can't obey the rules of the road (on any number of wheels) deserves a damn ticket. I drive an 1800 pound piece of kinetic energy, and even a middle school level of education can figure out that it will do serious damage in an impact.
 
2013-03-30 12:37:53 PM
im guessing people ride drunk b/c japanese laws on drunk driving are incredibly strict.  the BAC level for an offense if very low compared to here (not suer what it is tho). the first time fine amounts to the USD equivalent of several thousands, in addition to the cumulative penalties on your permanent record.  in addition, anyone else in the car gets the same fine (!!), the thinking being they could have prevented the driver from driving.

i think these are great rules, but the biking thing is an interesting side effect.
 
2013-03-30 12:40:26 PM
I'm fairly certain that in most states, drunk bike riding can get you arrested, or at least ticketed.

Also while I acknowledge lots of cyclists don't abide by the rules of the road, my sister got hit by an uninsured driver in a borrowed car who had a suspended license who was ruled totally at fault. GO, GO, NH. The other accident she was in was actually caused by said moron cyclists cruising in FRONT of an SUV who hit the brakes; my sister was boxed in by other riders and couldn't stop in time. We never did find out who they were...
 
2013-03-30 12:42:16 PM
See, this is what we've been talking about.  Simple, common-sense bicycle regulation, that should have been enacted a long time ago.  If it saves even one life it will be worth it.
 
2013-03-30 12:51:15 PM
Cyclist here, and it does baffle me how some people on bikes take the chances they do. But just like any other traffic law, it will be ignored unless it's enforced.  What would happen if the police didn't bother writing speeding tickets?  And if there's so many of them doing it, it should shooting fish in a barrel, right?
 
2013-03-30 01:37:19 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: AngryTeacher: Ohh... a bike hate thread. What happened? Did we run out of obscure beers to brag about?

What we need here is a news article and thread about Republican Walmart executive bicyclists who flout traffic laws.


With assault rifles and magazines full of ammo!
 
2013-03-30 02:45:39 PM
We absolutely need to do this in the US.

And before you get all self-righteous and butthurt, Mr. I'm On a Bike And Can Therefore Disobey Whatever Laws I Choose, I'm on the way out to drop off my bike for a tuneup so I can get back to commuting on it.
 
2013-03-30 03:08:10 PM
JasonOfOrillia

A Double Yeti is just a beer.

home.earthlink.net

// Orillia?
 
2013-03-30 06:01:05 PM

csi_yellowknife: Another MSP person as well as a biker. Every time I'm at a corner, I watch drivers eye me like they're watching their insurance premiums flash before their eyes. I don't blame them, even if I stop for them it doesn't mean anyone else will.

/quick guide: No helmet, over 25, wearing street clothes on cheap-looking bike = They'll stop. Helmet, jeans/T-Shirt = They're going to at least look. Helmet, skinsuit, matching fannypack = not even going to try.


I am over the age of thirty; when cycling, I wear jeans, a t-shirt, a helmet and a black fanny pack. I paid more than $500 for my bicycle. I stop at all stop signs and red lights and at yeild signs when appropriate.

I did recently obtain an air horn, for use should I encounter another driver who chooses to ignore a stop sign. Again.

/My .45 is problably louder, but using that as a warning is probably not a good idea.
//I ignore sop, yeld and one vay signs.
 
2013-03-30 07:09:15 PM
ravenlore:
"OMG can we please do this here?"

It exists in some places. I went to college in a small town in nor-cal, everyone biked. Got a ticket for not coming to a complete stop at an intersection.

Took a class at the police dept and they waived my fine. At least where I was, tickets are the same for bicyclists as for cars, same fine, for running red lights, dwi, etc.

The class was super informative, they gave out free helmets and stickers and stuff. Everyone there was high school and college kids.

Unfortunately, not long afterwards, they eliminated the class due to budget cuts.

I used to live in japan, and never saw bicyclists do anything dangerous. They like to drink hard, but most japanese are the law-abiding types.
 
2013-03-30 07:23:32 PM
Unlike the US, most bicycle riders in Japan are not cyclists  and actually do obey most of the traffic rules. The real assholes are the guys on the motorcycles, weaving between and around lanes, ignoring pretty much every rule that cars are expected to follow, all with the attitude that if you hit them while they are doing their stupid little act it is somehow your fault. Imagine trying to take a right hand turn, only to almost clip some idiot who is flying up the right hand shoulder in order to bypass all the traffic.

Cyclists are the least of Japan's problems on the road. For anybody who has actually driven in this country, the dumb----s on the motorcycles and completely senile elderly folks wandering around the streets pose the biggest dangers.
 
2013-03-30 08:37:17 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: And they say that we have too many people in jail on drug offenses. Wait until they have to start putting people in the pokey for not following traffic laws while bicycling.


PLEASE
 
2013-03-30 09:11:54 PM
 Never ride my mountain bike on streets. Collision between bike and car = horrible injuries or death, collision between cyclist and pedestrian = bruises and grumpy pedestrian. Ride the sidewalks, don't give the haters a reason to hate, and Robert is your mothers brother.
 
2013-03-30 09:22:16 PM
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Dimensio: csi_yellowknife: Another MSP person as well as a biker. Every time I'm at a corner, I watch drivers eye me like they're watching their insurance premiums flash before their eyes. I don't blame them, even if I stop for them it doesn't mean anyone else will.

/quick guide: No helmet, over 25, wearing street clothes on cheap-looking bike = They'll stop. Helmet, jeans/T-Shirt = They're going to at least look. Helmet, skinsuit, matching fannypack = not even going to try.

I am over the age of thirty; when cycling, I wear jeans, a t-shirt, a helmet and a black fanny pack. I paid more than $500 for my bicycle. I stop at all stop signs and red lights and at yeild signs when appropriate.

I did recently obtain an air horn, for use should I encounter another driver who chooses to ignore a stop sign. Again.

/My .45 is problably louder, but using that as a warning is probably not a good idea.
//I ignore sop, yeld and one vay signs.


I hate the drivers that approach an intersection and are turning right so of course their full attention is to their left, scoping the oncoming so they might not have to stop, meanwhle I have learned to slow down at intersections because of these jerks, even thou I'm approaching a crosswalk and have the right of way. This is even when I'm on foot asshole bike haters. Have scared many people just by getting close to their car  in the start of the crosswalk so when they finally look right my 6'3 220lb carcass is standing at their passenger window.  Almost always get a scream.

  I think the bark of your .45 would get a more interesting reaction though.
 
2013-03-31 12:29:38 AM
Isn't the top speed limit there like 38mph or something?
 
2013-03-31 02:14:39 AM

Mentalpatient87: People_are_Idiots: I would have slowed and try to -barely- tap his bike.

He was a prick, but that's not about to make me commit vehicular assault. By the look of the guy, just letting him go about his life was about the most damage I could have done.


Trust me there are far worse assaults than with a vehicle. Ever got hit with an egg?

/ex-biker
//had that happen once
///was doing nothing wrong
////jacket took the blow
 
2013-03-31 08:41:54 PM

People_are_Idiots: Ever got hit with an egg?


No, but someone I know told me his brother pegged someone with a cantaloupe once..
 
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