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(Yahoo)   So what do the Hindenburg and the new San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge span have in common?   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 80
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2013-03-30 01:41:10 AM  
The lowest bidder?
 
2013-03-30 01:48:32 AM  
Neither of them have ever been in my kitchen
 
2013-03-30 02:21:19 AM  
they're both bigger than a bread box?
 
2013-03-30 06:11:15 AM  
I know, they both have the same number of letters in their name.
 
2013-03-30 08:05:36 AM  
Manatees?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-30 08:15:41 AM  
If you see either in New Jersey, something has gone horribly wrong.
 
2013-03-30 08:52:00 AM  
That's the nature of engineering. Nothing is perfect, and at least in this case the manufacturer owned it.
 
2013-03-30 08:59:45 AM  
That's some fine American craftsmanship there, Lou.
 
2013-03-30 09:01:36 AM  
Neither was humiliated by Syracuse--FRIGGIN' SYRACUSE--in the tournament

*shaking fist*
 
2013-03-30 09:01:39 AM  
Read a comment that they used cheap steel from China. Anyone know if true?
 
2013-03-30 09:04:37 AM  

fat boy: Read a comment that they used cheap steel from China. Anyone know if true?


they got a lot of the steel from china, but that was for  the structure and foundation.  The bolts that are breaking right now came from Ohio
 
2013-03-30 09:04:58 AM  

fat boy: Read a comment that they used cheap steel from China. Anyone know if true?


I remember hearing that as well, but the FTA says that this is from an Ohio based company. But they could have outsourced as well.
 
2013-03-30 09:05:14 AM  
Are they both shaped like huge manatees?
 
2013-03-30 09:05:53 AM  
Oh. is this where everyone complains about "lowest bidder"?  The truth is...
 The contractor was the lowest bidder and in situations like this, the contractor has no choice of the material used because it's specified in the contract.  Along with with the paint used, lights, just about everything used is dictated to the contractor where to buy and from whom, model #, etc.
 
2013-03-30 09:10:27 AM  
Oh the Hue Manatee!
 
2013-03-30 09:14:35 AM  
It seems half-Hindenburg and half-Titanic to me.  Weak steel because of hydrogen kind of hints at both previous tragedies at the same time for a land-sea-air failure trifecta.

/Oh the huge manatee.
 
2013-03-30 09:15:35 AM  
Apart from the fail tag?
 
2013-03-30 09:16:22 AM  

ZAZ: If you see either in New Jersey, something has gone horribly wrong.


Well played sir, well played.
 
2013-03-30 09:17:37 AM  
Whatever flaws there were in the steel were enlarged by the exposure to trapped hydrogen. If the hydrogen isn't released, bolts fail, or in this case steel rods. You can reduce the risk, but you can't eliminate it. It happens with domestic steel too. So, the answer to the headline in my view is, poor manufacturing process design.
 
2013-03-30 09:21:20 AM  
Isn't this the same failure that happened on the big dig in Boston, where the concrete panels popped out of the tunnel walls?
 
2013-03-30 09:21:49 AM  
Theyre both farking close to water?
 
2013-03-30 09:23:39 AM  

CaptSacto: Neither of them have ever been in my kitchen


Thank you, Cliff.
 
2013-03-30 09:24:19 AM  
"They are working on an engineering solution for those bolts."

Aren't engineers the dolts that suggested the bolts?

/Correct answer is: Neither will flush.
 
2013-03-30 09:24:44 AM  

RaceDTruck: Isn't this the same failure that happened on the big dig in Boston, where the concrete panels popped out of the tunnel walls?


No, in that case you had bolts that were glued into the substrate with epoxy - they had used substandard epoxy and the bolts were too short.
 
2013-03-30 09:29:54 AM  
live and learn, kids.
 
2013-03-30 09:35:37 AM  
The bolts may have been made in North America, but I'm thinking that it's more than likely that the steel was cheap Chinese crap.
 
2013-03-30 09:37:53 AM  

PacificaFitz: fat boy: Read a comment that they used cheap steel from China. Anyone know if true?

they got a lot of the steel from china, but that was for  the structure and foundation.  The bolts that are breaking right now came from Ohio


And the steel parts from China was overseen by CalTrans engineers sent to China. I know someone that was there for over a year (or maybe it just seemed like it) working away.
 
2013-03-30 09:39:32 AM  

poe_zlaw: Oh. is this where everyone complains about "lowest bidder"?  The truth is...
 The contractor was the lowest bidder and in situations like this, the contractor has no choice of the material used because it's specified in the contract.  Along with with the paint used, lights, just about everything used is dictated to the contractor where to buy and from whom, model #, etc.


The california government didn't call for H in the bolts, they just picked the contractor who was likely to deliver crap. I'd also like to point out these are the same decision makers liberals are counting on to engineer a perfect society.
 
2013-03-30 09:41:56 AM  

fat boy: Read a comment that they used cheap steel from China. Anyone know if true?


If Ohio is in China, then yes.
Union quality to the rescue!
 
2013-03-30 09:42:39 AM  
They were both inflated with flammable hydrogen and not totally safe helium?
 
2013-03-30 09:50:36 AM  

moshi8: PacificaFitz: fat boy: Read a comment that they used cheap steel from China. Anyone know if true?

they got a lot of the steel from china, but that was for  the structure and foundation.  The bolts that are breaking right now came from Ohio

And the steel parts from China was overseen by CalTrans engineers sent to China. I know someone that was there for over a year (or maybe it just seemed like it) working away.


Its amazing that they'd use Chinese steel for this project.
 
2013-03-30 09:55:08 AM  

relcec: poe_zlaw: Oh. is this where everyone complains about "lowest bidder"?  The truth is...
 The contractor was the lowest bidder and in situations like this, the contractor has no choice of the material used because it's specified in the contract.  Along with with the paint used, lights, just about everything used is dictated to the contractor where to buy and from whom, model #, etc.

The california government didn't call for H in the bolts, they just picked the contractor who was likely to deliver crap. I'd also like to point out these are the same decision makers liberals are counting on to engineer a perfect society.


Really? Legislators = bridge engineers?
I must say, it's once again proof of California's forward thinking. If legislators can do that job, there's no need to keep the Caltrans engineers on the payroll = saving tax payer money.
If they continue like that, I might move back there again.

/or not
 
2013-03-30 10:04:10 AM  

Animatronik: moshi8: PacificaFitz: fat boy: Read a comment that they used cheap steel from China. Anyone know if true?

they got a lot of the steel from china, but that was for  the structure and foundation.  The bolts that are breaking right now came from Ohio

And the steel parts from China was overseen by CalTrans engineers sent to China. I know someone that was there for over a year (or maybe it just seemed like it) working away.

Its amazing that they'd use Chinese steel for this project.


The General Contractor for the whole bridge job is a Chinese firm. Thank you, Ahnold.

When are we going to learn? Chinese engineering is a joke. There's a reason why they cannot import any of their cars to any European country, and theres a reason why they see 50,000 or more people killed every time theres an earthquake. Apartment buildings, and I mean really big ones, regularly spontaneously collapse in China several times a year.

We really need to return steel production to the US. We have the ore, and we have the people with the know-how.
 
2013-03-30 10:05:06 AM  
Oakland and San Francisco can  actually get something done? Welcome in the Jew hate.
 
2013-03-30 10:08:01 AM  

Galoop: CaptSacto: Neither of them have ever been in my kitchen

Thank you, Cliff.


I knew that sounded familiar.
 
2013-03-30 10:15:45 AM  
So they're Ohio made. American quality isn't anything great. It used to be, but that was when companies thought it was a good idea to hire enough people to do the job.
 
2013-03-30 10:16:08 AM  
Neither fly well when on fire?
 
2013-03-30 10:21:18 AM  
FTA:  The company that made the pieces that failed is Painesville, Ohio-based Dyson Corp.

Maybe they should stick to making vacuum cleaners, fans and hand dryers.
 
2013-03-30 10:23:39 AM  
Hydrogen embrittlement. Its a new thing you probably never heard of it
 
2013-03-30 10:26:51 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-30 10:28:26 AM  
Both designed by Nazis to showcase superior German engineering?

//got nothing
//all the obvious guesses were taken
//oh the huge-span-ity?
 
2013-03-30 10:28:36 AM  

Deathfrogg: When are we going to learn? Chinese engineering is a joke. There's a reason why they cannot import any of their cars to any European country, and theres a reason why they see 50,000 or more people killed every time theres an earthquake. Apartment buildings, and I mean really big ones, regularly spontaneously collapse in China several times a year.

We really need to return steel production to the US. We have the ore, and we have the people with the know-how.


Amen. That doesn't only go for steel production, though.
Unfortunately, too many people aren't willing to pay a bit more for a locally made product and don't realize they frequently end up spending more in repair, replacement and injuries.
 
2013-03-30 10:40:45 AM  

Deathfrogg: Animatronik: moshi8: PacificaFitz: fat boy: Read a comment that they used cheap steel from China. Anyone know if true?

they got a lot of the steel from china, but that was for  the structure and foundation.  The bolts that are breaking right now came from Ohio

And the steel parts from China was overseen by CalTrans engineers sent to China. I know someone that was there for over a year (or maybe it just seemed like it) working away.

Its amazing that they'd use Chinese steel for this project.

The General Contractor for the whole bridge job is a Chinese firm. Thank you, Ahnold.

When are we going to learn? Chinese engineering is a joke. There's a reason why they cannot import any of their cars to any European country, and theres a reason why they see 50,000 or more people killed every time theres an earthquake. Apartment buildings, and I mean really big ones, regularly spontaneously collapse in China several times a year.

We really need to return steel production to the US. We have the ore, and we have the people with the know-how.


Been to Bethlehem lately? Its a casino
 
2013-03-30 10:42:13 AM  
They both caught fire because the doping compound used in both was essentially the same as rocket fuel so the Nazis launched a cover-up blaming hydrogen?
 
2013-03-30 10:53:16 AM  
 
2013-03-30 11:02:38 AM  
They were both long and hard?
 
2013-03-30 11:14:39 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: They were both long and hard?


winner
 
2013-03-30 11:19:42 AM  
Like I commented in the Reddit thread on this, if the design of this bridge is such that slightly defective materials are going to cause it to fall apart, then the bridge has been designed poorly. This bridge (and all modern constructions) should be designed to use the crappiest materials available just to build in extra safety and longevity. Overbuild overbuild overbuild. The costs of doing so are wildly overshadowed by reduced maintenance and the need for replacement more frequently. This bridge is crap and I, for one, will not be crossing it.
 
2013-03-30 11:20:19 AM  

poe_zlaw: Oh. is this where everyone complains about "lowest bidder"?  ........


Always wonder about that little bit of cognitive dissonance here on Fark. I've previously noticed that some of the same people complaining about that were also the ones whining about Haliburton getting no-bid contracts.
 
2013-03-30 11:22:40 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: poe_zlaw: Oh. is this where everyone complains about "lowest bidder"?  ........

Always wonder about that little bit of cognitive dissonance here on Fark. I've previously noticed that some of the same people complaining about that were also the ones whining about Haliburton getting no-bid contracts.


Not that I've complained about either but do you really not see why both are problems?
 
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