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(WWSB ABC 7)   Lesson not in the dad handbook: how to retrieve your son's severed finger from your dog's stomach   (mysuncoast.com) divider line 34
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2013-03-30 03:44:07 PM
2 votes:
Sorry about the cut-off comment, I'm on my phone.

Anyway, the poor dog probably spent its whole life confined to a cage in the yard and was never socialized or trained.

A trained, well socialized dog is generally not going to bite off a finger that is stuck into his crate.

The three known risk factors for a fatal dog bite are: dog is an unneutered male (about 99% of the time), dog was tethered and the owner has a criminal record.
2013-03-30 12:34:21 PM
2 votes:

swingerofbirches: Losing a finger AND seeing your dad kill your dog because of something the dog did to you?

That kid had a bad day.


A guy in my guild recently explained his continued painkiller references after a couple of weeks by telling us he accidentally severed a toe with a door, and their dog ate it before he realized what had happened. He thought he'd just stubbed it really badly (someone was actually at the door, is why he didn't look immediately at his foot). Did he kill the dog? No, he accepted the loss and moved on (to some really good painkillers apparently). Maybe if it had been his kid, it would have ended differently, but I kind of doubt it.
2013-03-30 07:42:43 AM
2 votes:
This is possibly the most troll-laden thread out of the gate seen this year on Fark.

"I would throttle people who keep dogs in cages"
"The owners are assholes"
"The dog was clearly abused"

Good fraking job, let's all take the DOG's side now?  You completely project your cuddly-wuddlies onto this situation from your fantasy worlds, it's a good thing you have all this anonymity, try leaving your bathhouses and bringing up your points that the humans are the bad in the workplace.  Idiots.  If it was your kid, you wouldn't do it?  I would hate to do it, but good grief, the dog broke the cardinal rule - you don't attack humans.  That's it.  I'm also guessing none of the trolls have ever been to a farm, or never outside the city.

You're also a barometer for how American culture has degenerated into something completely unrecognizable from hard-working, rational, pre-free to be you and me, hug a tree America.  Good Lord.  I am guessing you're all in favor of insurgents, fudge-packing, Janet Napolitano, drones, the NEA, NAMBLA, Sean Penn's trips to Venezuela, etc.  I'm a dog owner too, and the dog bite and slaughter was tragic, but all you ball-less, soulless Prius drivers are damned cowards and nothing approximating men.  Get a farking pair.
2013-03-30 04:04:02 AM
2 votes:

doglover: johngiger: Good for dad.  I would have done the same thing.

I wouldn't. Like on all counts.

First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Total failure all 'round.


Yep yep.

If the dog was so vicious it needed to be caged, then the kid should have been nowhere near it. If the dog was vicious BECAUSE it had been caged, then the kid should have been nowhere near it, plus dad should be charged with cruelty to animals. If the dog was being crate-trained and wasn't meant to be around people (like it's an attack dog or something) then the kid REALLY shouldn't have been around it.

I dunno--Bradenton, a dog being kept in a cage that's so powerful it can break a kid's arm by biting his hand, a dog so vicious that dad has to shoot it "multiple times" to kill it--does this smell like a dog-fighting scenario to anyone else?

Also, you can live without your pinky finger.
2013-03-30 03:36:20 AM
2 votes:
11 year old should have been smart enough not to reach into a cage with a vicious dog.

Also that's a hell of a bite if it broke the kid's arm in addition to severing the pinky. What was going on here?
2013-03-30 04:24:10 PM
1 votes:

gunther_bumpass: Stoj: Ideally someone would have adopted this dog & blown thousands of dollars trying to rehabilitate it. There just aren't enough dogs.

/If this had been a fish nobody would care about gutting it.

If you honestly can't see the difference between a dog and a fish, I feel bad for you.

Please do not have children.


Too late!

Can you provide me the list of pets and where each falls on the spectrum of "things that are ok to kill if they attack human children"?
2013-03-30 03:37:14 PM
1 votes:
There's a big difference between crate training and keeping a dog confined to a cage and not properly socializing thedog. A dog confined to a small area, caged or tethered, will become extremely protective of his small territory. A dog that is tethered is three times more likely to bite. I would also bet this was an unneutered male.

This sounds like a "resident" dog, not a pet. The poor dog probably spent

It
2013-03-30 02:01:05 PM
1 votes:

ladyfortuna: swingerofbirches: Losing a finger AND seeing your dad kill your dog because of something the dog did to you?

That kid had a bad day.

A guy in my guild recently explained his continued painkiller references after a couple of weeks by telling us he accidentally severed a toe with a door, and their dog ate it before he realized what had happened. He thought he'd just stubbed it really badly (someone was actually at the door, is why he didn't look immediately at his foot). Did he kill the dog? No, he accepted the loss and moved on (to some really good painkillers apparently). Maybe if it had been his kid, it would have ended differently, but I kind of doubt it.


Gross. They kept that dog?
2013-03-30 11:45:02 AM
1 votes:
Well, this thread has been a wonderful object lesson in confirmation bias.
2013-03-30 11:32:02 AM
1 votes:
This thread counts to potato
2013-03-30 11:12:35 AM
1 votes:

dickfreckle: bearded clamorer: dickfreckle: Gyrfalcon: Also, you can live without your pinky finger.

Wasn't there an NFL player who amputated his own finger rather than deal with the rehab and missing games? I'm drawing a blank here.

Ronnie Lott

Just did some reading on him. Thanks for not mocking my Google failure.


He was featured on cracked recently too.
2013-03-30 10:46:23 AM
1 votes:

bearded clamorer: dickfreckle: Gyrfalcon: Also, you can live without your pinky finger.

Wasn't there an NFL player who amputated his own finger rather than deal with the rehab and missing games? I'm drawing a blank here.

Ronnie Lott


Just did some reading on him. Thanks for not mocking my Google failure.
2013-03-30 10:11:05 AM
1 votes:

Gunther: nothing in the story to indicate he did anything to deserved to have his finger bitten off.


Except the whole story itself.

1. Cage, 11 year old should know better and it was probably a miserable outdoor kennel.
2. Possibly Broken Forearm, definitely a big, powerful jawed dog
3. Florida, Florida
4. Multiple Shots To Put Down The Dog, probably a small caliber handgun in the hands of a non-hunter

I bet this was a fighting pit bull owned by a wannabe tough guy with a glock in a rough part of town. I'm callin' it now based on observable evidence.
2013-03-30 10:07:40 AM
1 votes:

doglover: spawn73: A dogs life is not worth more than a finger

If the kid lost his finger in a wood shop doing something EVERY shop teacher in the world teaches you not to do would you be saying the band saw is to blame?

If the kid shot himself in the eye with a Red Ryder BB gun looking down the barrel, would you say the gun's to blame?

A dog big enough to break a forearm has CRAZY psi in their bite and meat rending teeth. Their entire mouth is designed to focus their body weight and jaw strength into two rows of cones. A wolf can bite through a moose leg. An 11 year old boy's finger is not as thick as a moose's anything.

This kid was dicking around with his fingers in a cage, something EVERYONE ON EARTH should know not to do. It's rule #1 of cages not to stick your hand in there. The dog was obviously big. Losing his finger isn't a tragedy, it's a lucky break. He could have lost his whole arm. The stump will remind him safety first. A hard lesson, but he'll have a better life for it.

His dad should lose custody and pet privileges, though. A pet rock might be more his speed.


If the kids finger was in the bandsaws stomach you'd also kill the bandsaw because the finger is more important. That's the only way you analogy makes sense.

The only thing we can agree on is that he shouldn't have dogs. I suspect that's what is going to happen as a result of this.
2013-03-30 10:05:20 AM
1 votes:

dickfreckle: Gyrfalcon: Also, you can live without your pinky finger.

Wasn't there an NFL player who amputated his own finger rather than deal with the rehab and missing games? I'm drawing a blank here.


Ronnie Lott
2013-03-30 10:04:45 AM
1 votes:
Came home from grade school, got a phone call from my mom. "Go over to Mrs. Polk's backyard, locate the lawn mower, find your big brother's finger. Have Mrs. Polk put it in a glass of ice water and run it over to the emergency center, m'kay?".

No panic, I got it done. Getting a kick.
2013-03-30 09:48:34 AM
1 votes:
If I were in that position, I'd have done the same thing.  An eleven year old should have know better touching a trapped or confined dog, presuming it is of a dangerous breed.  That being presumed, even a poodle can cause big damage if so inclined.  A trapped animal can be very dangerous.  I'm not playing dog doctor here but they have all the problems people have, psychosis, headaches, bad days and so on.  There are days anyone, man or beast, that you will regret that you farked with them.

Now, I don't have a gun but I have lots of tools that could dispatch any dog size animal in a cage, just open the cage for a theoretical chance, then send them on their way to doggy heaven.  Commonplace in the country, I knew several animals, not one free bite, then they go for a walk that they never return from.  One was a totally nutso cat that would attack anyone anywhere scratching and biting, even in the middle of the night when people were sleeping.

Back to the now dead dog, big dogs have a tendency to  swallow a lot of food whole.  The time to retrieve the finger is now, before stomach fluids start digesting it.  Wrap up the kids finger, maybe a tourniquet, call 911, dispatch the dog, retrieve the finger, rinse, wrap in a cloth, place in a tub with ice, not in the ice,  on top.  Be all ready for EMS.

People will hate me for this but that is exactly what I would do.  I am sure by the time you get surgery on the dog, the finger will be damaged beyond reattachment hope and you will have a bill for surgery AND putting the dog down.
2013-03-30 09:08:45 AM
1 votes:

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: KrispyKritter: Hooray for ignorant dooshbags. An animals cage is its safety spot, all its own. And it takes a bit more than just reaching in to make a family pet take off a finger. So the kid taunts the dog to the point of anger, ignores the dogs warnings - and they do give warnings - then dooshbag Dad of dooshbag son completes the asshole cycle. These are people that should not be allowed to have another pet.

dammit i hate people so much.

Animals don't belong in cages except when they are a danger to society and are betng transported to the death chamber.  This guy sounds like the typical redneck cracker that infests Bradenton.   That town is one of a few that give Florida the Florida tag.
What a fine lesson he gave that poor young boy.  I hope babydaddy didn't shoot and gut the dog while sonny was watching.


Yes, they do belong in cages sometimes. I have crate trained every dog I have owned. It resolves most of the problems people have and once they aren't in training the crate becomes their safe spot.

Judging from the article this was probably not a well cared for animal but that doesn't mean there aren't good reasons for crates. Except for the people that treat their dogs like people which is terrible for a dog.
2013-03-30 09:02:46 AM
1 votes:

KrispyKritter: Hooray for ignorant dooshbags. An animals cage is its safety spot, all its own. And it takes a bit more than just reaching in to make a family pet take off a finger. So the kid taunts the dog to the point of anger, ignores the dogs warnings - and they do give warnings - then dooshbag Dad of dooshbag son completes the asshole cycle. These are people that should not be allowed to have another pet.

dammit i hate people so much.


Animals don't belong in cages except when they are a danger to society and are betng transported to the death chamber.  This guy sounds like the typical redneck cracker that infests Bradenton.   That town is one of a few that give Florida the Florida tag.
What a fine lesson he gave that poor young boy.  I hope babydaddy didn't shoot and gut the dog while sonny was watching.
2013-03-30 09:00:20 AM
1 votes:

Publikwerks: doglover: johngiger: Good for dad.  I would have done the same thing.

I wouldn't. Like on all counts.

First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Total failure all 'round.

Regardless, the dog bit a kids finger off. It needed to be put down. I'm not saying the owners weren't crappy, but the damage is done at this point. That dog is dangerous.


Exactly. They were probably the ones that screwed the dog up, but that ship has sailed.
2013-03-30 07:27:56 AM
1 votes:

doglover: johngiger: Good for dad.  I would have done the same thing.

I wouldn't. Like on all counts.

First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Total failure all 'round.


Regardless, the dog bit a kids finger off. It needed to be put down. I'm not saying the owners weren't crappy, but the damage is done at this point. That dog is dangerous.
Ni
2013-03-30 05:38:33 AM
1 votes:
Wow lots of ire on how to raise dogs.

Kind of like making a religious argument, or telling people how to raise their kids.

Crates and dogs usually work great together.
Kids and dogs usually work great together.

Sometimes they don't. Daddy had to deal with that.
2013-03-30 04:35:05 AM
1 votes:
Why have a dog if you have to keep it locked in a cage???  If your dog is already that viscous either give it to someone who can tame it or put it down.
2013-03-30 04:32:11 AM
1 votes:

The Snow Dog: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: 11 year old should have been smart enough not to reach into a cage with a vicious dog.

Also that's a hell of a bite if it broke the kid's arm in addition to severing the pinky. What was going on here?

I have a feeling the break came when the kid tried to jerk his arm out of the cage. I still can't really envision the exact manner in which it happened, but surely it's something along those lines.


I dunno, I can see the dog shaking his head while clamped on easily leading to a break. That's how they snap necks, eh?
2013-03-30 04:10:25 AM
1 votes:

doglover: If a dog in a cage takes your finger off, YOU are at fault. If you're too young to be at fault, your parents or guardian are to blame. No exceptions.

The dog was very clearly abused in this home and probably violent as a result. Also clear is that the father was very clearly an idiot. This kid will have to be very lucky to grow up without landing in jail or a box under his farked up tutelage.


This. These people should never be allowed to have any animals ever again. Dumbasses.
I would not be surprised to hear that the poor dog was a fighting dog.

And I could cheerfully throttle people who keep dogs in cages.
2013-03-30 03:41:55 AM
1 votes:
well this sounds like an asshole trifecta, and the dog being an asshole is completely on the shoulders of the asshole owner, and the asshole kid who farked with it. Assholes.

/totally on the dog's side here
2013-03-30 03:41:25 AM
1 votes:

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: 11 year old should have been smart enough not to reach into a cage with a vicious dog.

Also that's a hell of a bite if it broke the kid's arm in addition to severing the pinky. What was going on here?


Animal abuse, child neglect, negligent firearms discharge within city limits, noise violations, littering, and felony dumbassery.
2013-03-30 03:38:58 AM
1 votes:
As someone who has lost part of a finger, I can guess that they won't be able to reattach it. If it's a clean cut, they usually can. When it's not so clean, like a dog bite or say, a farking running lawnmower, it's a bit different.

Too bad for the dog, but we're the ones with thumbs. Suck it, biters.
2013-03-30 03:20:39 AM
1 votes:

doglover: First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?


I helped scavenge through the snow for fingerpieces of a neighbor as a kid, and that was being a good neighbor.  At least a snowblower was the culprit, and not a dog.
2013-03-30 03:16:58 AM
1 votes:
Easy, kill the dog.
Gut the dog.
Retrieve finger.
Put finger on ice.
Rush kid and finger to hospital.
2013-03-30 03:08:47 AM
1 votes:
Losing a finger AND seeing your dad kill your dog because of something the dog did to you?

That kid had a bad day.

I really do hate when people keep dogs in cages, though . . . unless this was night-time crate training, which is possible, but the way he so quickly shot the dog and the fact that he had a gun to begin with makes me question whether this was a permanent outdoor cage.

I wonder if he regrets it. I mean, it was more dangerous letting the dog out of the cage to shoot it than not doing so. I don't think you can argue this was anything more than an emotional response, not for safety.
2013-03-30 03:04:03 AM
1 votes:
Lemme guess.

www.samefacts.com

Correct?
2013-03-30 03:03:43 AM
1 votes:
Good for dad.  I would have done the same thing.
2013-03-30 01:01:27 AM
1 votes:
If at first you don't succeed Tyr and Tyr again.
 
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