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(WWSB ABC 7)   Lesson not in the dad handbook: how to retrieve your son's severed finger from your dog's stomach   (mysuncoast.com) divider line 116
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2013-03-30 04:24:10 PM  

gunther_bumpass: Stoj: Ideally someone would have adopted this dog & blown thousands of dollars trying to rehabilitate it. There just aren't enough dogs.

/If this had been a fish nobody would care about gutting it.

If you honestly can't see the difference between a dog and a fish, I feel bad for you.

Please do not have children.


Too late!

Can you provide me the list of pets and where each falls on the spectrum of "things that are ok to kill if they attack human children"?
 
2013-03-30 04:25:59 PM  

xanderak: I'm on the dad's side, despite all you namby pamby finger pointers.

Amazing how many assumptions yall make about what happened...

Love my dog.  would do the same tho.


Yeah, I agree.  I don't actually see the big deal about what the dad did.
His possible poor treatment of the dog notwithstanding, it is a completely reasonable thought that retrieving the digit from the dog's stomach acid ASAP would maximize the possibility for successful reattachment.  Even if he loved the dog, it's his frickin' kid.  Whether this guy is a criminal, or whether he was mistreating the dog, or whatever, none of that is relevant to the reasonableness of his actions, which I think were entirely justifiable.
 
2013-03-30 05:33:22 PM  

ErinPac: nocturnal001: ladyfortuna: swingerofbirches: Losing a finger AND seeing your dad kill your dog because of something the dog did to you?

That kid had a bad day.

A guy in my guild recently explained his continued painkiller references after a couple of weeks by telling us he accidentally severed a toe with a door, and their dog ate it before he realized what had happened. He thought he'd just stubbed it really badly (someone was actually at the door, is why he didn't look immediately at his foot). Did he kill the dog? No, he accepted the loss and moved on (to some really good painkillers apparently). Maybe if it had been his kid, it would have ended differently, but I kind of doubt it.

Gross. They kept that dog?

A dog that ate a small piece of dead, raw meat on the floor?  If that's the line, you might just want to avoid all dogs as gross.



I think you meant to say "a dog ate part of a person".  That is weird, if anything it should smell like it's owner and be avoided. So if a dead body were just laying there you wouldn't object to your dog digging in?

This is what happens when hundreds of years of selective breeding produce so much retardation in dog lines.  Way too many dogs/breeds are essentially retarded compared to others.  If anything a properly trained dog would know not to instantly eat something that drops near it.  As much heat as the cats that ate that old lady got I'm surprised that dog folks think "dog ate my toe? oh well. lolz".

/dog owner all my life, not saying I would kill my dog for eating a detached digit, but I don't think I could keep it around
 
2013-03-30 07:45:43 PM  

nocturnal001: ErinPac: nocturnal001: ladyfortuna: swingerofbirches: Losing a finger AND seeing your dad kill your dog because of something the dog did to you?

That kid had a bad day.

A guy in my guild recently explained his continued painkiller references after a couple of weeks by telling us he accidentally severed a toe with a door, and their dog ate it before he realized what had happened. He thought he'd just stubbed it really badly (someone was actually at the door, is why he didn't look immediately at his foot). Did he kill the dog? No, he accepted the loss and moved on (to some really good painkillers apparently). Maybe if it had been his kid, it would have ended differently, but I kind of doubt it.

Gross. They kept that dog?

A dog that ate a small piece of dead, raw meat on the floor?  If that's the line, you might just want to avoid all dogs as gross.


I think you meant to say "a dog ate part of a person".  That is weird, if anything it should smell like it's owner and be avoided. So if a dead body were just laying there you wouldn't object to your dog digging in?

This is what happens when hundreds of years of selective breeding produce so much retardation in dog lines.  Way too many dogs/breeds are essentially retarded compared to others.  If anything a properly trained dog would know not to instantly eat something that drops near it.  As much heat as the cats that ate that old lady got I'm surprised that dog folks think "dog ate my toe? oh well. lolz".

/dog owner all my life, not saying I would kill my dog for eating a detached digit, but I don't think I could keep it around


It's not appealing, but yes, if there is a dead body laying there many completely non-aggressive animals will eat it.  Haven't you read many of those sort of stories?  Obviously if I were there I'd stop it, but I'd not be shocked.  I'm sure most of the house smells like their owner, but it's rather obvious their owner is not an already severed piece of dead flesh.  The rest I think would require human sensibilities to be bothered on.  Wolves often eat the deceased in their own pack and often dogs will eat dead puppies; why would that be any different when another species is included in their pack?

I don't think it's appealing, mind you.  I just think it has very little to do with possible aggression and is not particularly surprising.  They're scavengers.  It's a step above them eating dead toes that are still attached... which they also do often enough (diabetes, injuries that leave them dead or gangrenous, etc).  That may raise the creep factor enough for me to re-home the dog... but also partially because if one toe dies due to some illness, there's a decent chance of that event repeating... though it may also be a sign to step up the doctor appointments.  However, it also makes me think they are well aware of the difference between live toes and dead - and that'd only be more obvious if it's been left lost on the ground.  It's just not the same thing as attacking you.  They chew their own dew claws if they are ripped too, and that's not them becoming emo dogs.

I'm actually not all that much of a dog person; I just can't see how a dog could be expected to appreciate why that would be gross.  They can be very smart, but I don't see why they'd naturally make that conclusion, and it's not exactly something you practice training them on.
 
2013-03-30 09:11:53 PM  
Will you dog lovers just kill yourselves? Worthless pieces of misanthropic crap. The only reason you feel that way about animals is because they can't judge you for your stupidity.
 
2013-03-30 09:13:10 PM  

Stoj: gunther_bumpass: Stoj: Ideally someone would have adopted this dog & blown thousands of dollars trying to rehabilitate it. There just aren't enough dogs.

/If this had been a fish nobody would care about gutting it.

If you honestly can't see the difference between a dog and a fish, I feel bad for you.

Please do not have children.

Too late!

Can you provide me the list of pets and where each falls on the spectrum of "things that are ok to kill if they attack human children"?


OK to Kill:  All pets

Not OK to Kill:  No pets
 
2013-03-30 10:12:37 PM  
 
You've got ta
pack your things and go...
move fast not slow,
the dog is mine
 
2013-03-30 10:33:21 PM  
ladyfortuna:

"A guy in my guild recently explained his continued painkiller references after a couple of weeks by telling us he accidentally severed a toe with a door, and their dog ate it before he realized what had happened. He thought he'd just stubbed it really badly (someone was actually at the door, is why he didn't look immediately at his foot). Did he kill the dog? No, he accepted the loss and moved on (to some really good painkillers apparently). Maybe if it had been his kid, it would have ended differently, but I kind of doubt it."

Does he have diabetes? I would imagine for most of us a severed joint would be excrutiatingly painful.
 
2013-03-30 10:45:26 PM  

Of course none of know what happened here, but it sounds likely that this guy was abusing his dog, and his kid paid for it- an eleven year old, who probably should have known better, but again, we just don't know. My problem is not that he killed the dog, but that he likely was the one that turned it into an asshole in the first place.


Would I kill a dog that attacked my kid? Probably. Would I raise a dog to be antisocial? Fark no.  Trouble is, many people are just too damn lazy and stupid to be good dog owners. We have over ten thousand years of mutually beneficial co-evolution with dogs - many researchers say we probably wouldn't have advanced as far or as quickly as we have without them. Still ,there are mouthbreathing morons out there who can't or won't  acknowledge that difference. But hey, I guess the bible says that all beasts are under our dominion, right?


I happen to believe that we are just one more animal- a bit more evolved than most, possibly less than others, though individuals of our species vary widely in that regard. Dogs, dolphins, elephants, other primates, shiat even octopuses are believed to think, sometimes even have emotions.


Anyway, the main thing is, by acknowledging the fact that humans are smarter than other animals, you've already agreed in principle to the fact that one animal can be smarter than another - I don't see why it's so difficult to fathom that dogs may be smarter and more worthy of not being eaten than your common large-testicled squirrel.
 
2013-03-30 11:35:24 PM  
The part that disturbs me is "the dog was in its cage."

Dogs are not hamsters that you take out of the cage once in a while to play with.
 
2013-03-30 11:36:32 PM  

o'really: ladyfortuna:

"A guy in my guild recently explained his continued painkiller references after a couple of weeks by telling us he accidentally severed a toe with a door, and their dog ate it before he realized what had happened. He thought he'd just stubbed it really badly (someone was actually at the door, is why he didn't look immediately at his foot). Did he kill the dog? No, he accepted the loss and moved on (to some really good painkillers apparently). Maybe if it had been his kid, it would have ended differently, but I kind of doubt it."

Does he have diabetes? I would imagine for most of us a severed joint would be excrutiatingly painful.


Not as far as I know; I have myself cut a finger or toe in the past without realizing it was bleeding until later. He did say it hurt like hell, but like I said he was distracted by whoever was at the door.
 
2013-03-31 08:39:26 AM  

ErinPac: nocturnal001: ErinPac: nocturnal001: ladyfortuna: swingerofbirches: Losing a finger AND seeing your dad kill your dog because of something the dog did to you?

That kid had a bad day.

A guy in my guild recently explained his continued painkiller references after a couple of weeks by telling us he accidentally severed a toe with a door, and their dog ate it before he realized what had happened. He thought he'd just stubbed it really badly (someone was actually at the door, is why he didn't look immediately at his foot). Did he kill the dog? No, he accepted the loss and moved on (to some really good painkillers apparently). Maybe if it had been his kid, it would have ended differently, but I kind of doubt it.

Gross. They kept that dog?

A dog that ate a small piece of dead, raw meat on the floor?  If that's the line, you might just want to avoid all dogs as gross.


I think you meant to say "a dog ate part of a person".  That is weird, if anything it should smell like it's owner and be avoided. So if a dead body were just laying there you wouldn't object to your dog digging in?

This is what happens when hundreds of years of selective breeding produce so much retardation in dog lines.  Way too many dogs/breeds are essentially retarded compared to others.  If anything a properly trained dog would know not to instantly eat something that drops near it.  As much heat as the cats that ate that old lady got I'm surprised that dog folks think "dog ate my toe? oh well. lolz".

/dog owner all my life, not saying I would kill my dog for eating a detached digit, but I don't think I could keep it around

It's not appealing, but yes, if there is a dead body laying there many completely non-aggressive animals will eat it.  Haven't you read many of those sort of stories?  Obviously if I were there I'd stop it, but I'd not be shocked.  I'm sure most of the house smells like their owner, but it's rather obvious their owner is not an already severed piece of dead flesh.  The rest I think would require human sensibilities to be bothered on.  Wolves often eat the deceased in their own pack and often dogs will eat dead puppies; why would that be any different when another species is included in their pack?

I don't think it's appealing, mind you.  I just think it has very little to do with possible aggression and is not particularly surprising.  They're scavengers.  It's a step above them eating dead toes that are still attached... which they also do often enough (diabetes, injuries that leave them dead or gangrenous, etc).  That may raise the creep factor enough for me to re-home the dog... but also partially because if one toe dies due to some illness, there's a decent chance of that event repeating... though it may also be a sign to step up the doctor appointments.  However, it also makes me think they are well aware of the difference between live toes and dead - and that'd only be more obvious if it's been left lost on the ground.  It's just not the same thing as attacking you.  They chew their own dew claws if they are ripped too, and that's not them becoming emo dogs.

I'm actually not all that much of a dog person; I just can't see how a dog could be expected to appreciate why that would be gross.  They can be very smart, but I don't see why they'd naturally make that conclusion, and it's not exactly something you practice training them on.


Yeah not super unusual just pretty weird all in all.
 
2013-03-31 09:30:53 AM  

Worldwalker: The part that disturbs me is "the dog was in its cage."

Dogs are not hamsters that you take out of the cage once in a while to play with.


Dogs are in fact animals, not people. If you think otherwise you are the type of person I believe should not have a dog, as it will never be properly handled or trained.  Many valid training strategies involve crates and cages. Every dog I have ever owned was crate trained. It makes area training a dog so much easier to understand when they are used to being told to get in their cage.
 
2013-03-31 09:35:04 AM  

runescorpio: Worldwalker: The part that disturbs me is "the dog was in its cage."

Dogs are not hamsters that you take out of the cage once in a while to play with.

Dogs are in fact animals, not people. If you think otherwise you are the type of person I believe should not have a dog, as it will never be properly handled or trained.  Many valid training strategies involve crates and cages. Every dog I have ever owned was crate trained. It makes area training a dog so much easier to understand when they are used to being told to get in their cage.


My dog has a chair.  A soft lazyboy chair.  She has never been a problem to train.  She has never been in a cage except at the shelter where I got her.   She has never removed the finger of anyone.
Your argument is invalid.
 
2013-03-31 10:35:51 AM  

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: runescorpio: Worldwalker: The part that disturbs me is "the dog was in its cage."

Dogs are not hamsters that you take out of the cage once in a while to play with.

Dogs are in fact animals, not people. If you think otherwise you are the type of person I believe should not have a dog, as it will never be properly handled or trained.  Many valid training strategies involve crates and cages. Every dog I have ever owned was crate trained. It makes area training a dog so much easier to understand when they are used to being told to get in their cage.

My dog has a chair.  A soft lazyboy chair.  She has never been a problem to train.  She has never been in a cage except at the shelter where I got her.   She has never removed the finger of anyone.
Your argument is invalid.


Some dogs don't need that help, some do. Crate training is perfectly fine and is the best solution in most cases. How many dogs are given up because their owners couldn't get them trained? Using a crate would resolve many of those issues.
 
2013-03-31 12:53:56 PM  
I'm glad to see I'm not the only person who was disgusted by this story.  I feel really bad for the kid and of course I would expect a parent to do whatever was necessary to protect his child, but the whole situation smacks of wrongness.

Crate training and confinement are common and often very useful parts of training and keeping certain dogs, however if a dog is crated and crate trained properly, he should not be lashing out at people who come near the cage.  I suspect this animal was either confined because of issues the owner knew about (and probably encouraged.  I'm with the people who suspect dog-fighting) and if this was the case, a small child shouldn't have been anywhere near it.

The father left his kid with a crated and likely unsafe dog, and who knows what the kid may have also done when unsupervised to provoke it then the father took the dog out of the crate  and shot it "multiple times" (which sounds like a pretty horrible death) and then sat on the presumably blood drenched floor to cut a the finger out of the dog's stomach.

You don't go from "happy loving family with emotionally stable members and a normal well-behaved dog to that kind of nightmare in one bound.  I feel pretty confident that this man should not have pets or children in his care.
 
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