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2013-03-30 09:02:46 AM

KrispyKritter: Hooray for ignorant dooshbags. An animals cage is its safety spot, all its own. And it takes a bit more than just reaching in to make a family pet take off a finger. So the kid taunts the dog to the point of anger, ignores the dogs warnings - and they do give warnings - then dooshbag Dad of dooshbag son completes the asshole cycle. These are people that should not be allowed to have another pet.

dammit i hate people so much.


Animals don't belong in cages except when they are a danger to society and are betng transported to the death chamber.  This guy sounds like the typical redneck cracker that infests Bradenton.   That town is one of a few that give Florida the Florida tag.
What a fine lesson he gave that poor young boy.  I hope babydaddy didn't shoot and gut the dog while sonny was watching.
 
2013-03-30 09:04:24 AM

doglover: spawn73: doglover:
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Because a finger is worth more than the life of an animal...

Oh really?

Explain to me why the elephant that killed my friend Mike is not only still alive but there was never even discussion of euthenasia, nor would he have wanted it. Go ahead and explain to me why the people who know animals the most don't even consider putting down a known killer when the attack has a rational explaination but an abused fighting dog deserves to be shot multiple times when it snaps at a kid dicking around with it.


What?

For starters if the elephant had a human finger inside the convo would have been different.

Sorry, but an elephant is worth more than a dog. They are an endangered species, plus people out there are willing to pay to take care of a dangerous elephant but its not like people are lining up to adopt vicious dogs.
 
2013-03-30 09:08:45 AM

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: KrispyKritter: Hooray for ignorant dooshbags. An animals cage is its safety spot, all its own. And it takes a bit more than just reaching in to make a family pet take off a finger. So the kid taunts the dog to the point of anger, ignores the dogs warnings - and they do give warnings - then dooshbag Dad of dooshbag son completes the asshole cycle. These are people that should not be allowed to have another pet.

dammit i hate people so much.

Animals don't belong in cages except when they are a danger to society and are betng transported to the death chamber.  This guy sounds like the typical redneck cracker that infests Bradenton.   That town is one of a few that give Florida the Florida tag.
What a fine lesson he gave that poor young boy.  I hope babydaddy didn't shoot and gut the dog while sonny was watching.


Yes, they do belong in cages sometimes. I have crate trained every dog I have owned. It resolves most of the problems people have and once they aren't in training the crate becomes their safe spot.

Judging from the article this was probably not a well cared for animal but that doesn't mean there aren't good reasons for crates. Except for the people that treat their dogs like people which is terrible for a dog.
 
2013-03-30 09:09:19 AM

doglover: johngiger: Good for dad.  I would have done the same thing.

I wouldn't. Like on all counts.

First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Total failure all 'round.


I think you'd figure out why kill the dog to retrieve the finger if it were your son, either that or you're just a horrible person. Who the hell is sick enough to put the life of a dog above the limbs of their own kid? FUBAR is what that is sir.
 
2013-03-30 09:10:26 AM

nocturnal001: doglover: johngiger: Good for dad.  I would have done the same thing.

I wouldn't. Like on all counts.

First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Total failure all 'round.

I am confused by a lot in this thread. Either lots of super duper animal lovers or you guys do not have kids. Don't you guys crate train your pets?

If I had a dog that bit my kid that dog is gone and never coming back. Something like this? I would probably kill it myself even if I didn't need to retrieve a finger.

Dogs should NEVER bite people. The reason why doesn't matter. Aggression towards humans was bred out of dogs for a reason.


This.

A lot of people crate train dogs, for I too keep my two 'cat-size' dogs in a large cage at night.  Those little idiots would sleep all day then bug the crap out of us at night.
Second, the kid is eleven and if not yet ready to be around pets alone, you have failed.  That is why we put this on the dog.
Third, no animal gets to severely hurt anyone in my house.  I agree the finger is worth retrieving by whatever means necessary.  I disagree with the thought that an animals life is worth that much when the choice is between my kid or the dog.
 
2013-03-30 09:12:50 AM

doglover: spawn73: doglover:
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Because a finger is worth more than the life of an animal...

Oh really?

Explain to me why the elephant that killed my friend Mike is not only still alive but there was never even discussion of euthenasia, nor would he have wanted it. Go ahead and explain to me why the people who know animals the most don't even consider putting down a known killer when the attack has a rational explaination but an abused fighting dog deserves to be shot multiple times when it snaps at a kid dicking around with it.


Humans gets to deserve things. Animals are animals and aren't high enough in the hierarchy to be afforded that.

A dogs life is not worth more than a finger, anyone who thinks that have their priorities screwed up IMHO. And that's just dogs in general, not the one that just bit your child and ate his finger.

(was your friend Mike farking around with an elephant? That sounds interesting).
 
2013-03-30 09:15:21 AM

spawn73: doglover: spawn73: doglover:
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Because a finger is worth more than the life of an animal...

Oh really?

Explain to me why the elephant that killed my friend Mike is not only still alive but there was never even discussion of euthenasia, nor would he have wanted it. Go ahead and explain to me why the people who know animals the most don't even consider putting down a known killer when the attack has a rational explaination but an abused fighting dog deserves to be shot multiple times when it snaps at a kid dicking around with it.

Humans gets to deserve things. Animals are animals and aren't high enough in the hierarchy to be afforded that.

A dogs life is not worth more than a finger, anyone who thinks that have their priorities screwed up IMHO. And that's just dogs in general, not the one that just bit your child and ate his finger.

(was your friend Mike farking around with an elephant? That sounds interesting).


If you are into that kind of thing I am sure there is some rule 34 in play. ;)
 
2013-03-30 09:25:52 AM

chiett: Easy, kill the dog.
Gut the dog.
Retrieve finger.
Put finger on ice.
Rush kid and finger to hospital.


Did you RTFA?  Or are you just 'florida-level-genius'?
 
2013-03-30 09:26:44 AM

spawn73: A dogs life is not worth more than a finger


If the kid lost his finger in a wood shop doing something EVERY shop teacher in the world teaches you not to do would you be saying the band saw is to blame?

If the kid shot himself in the eye with a Red Ryder BB gun looking down the barrel, would you say the gun's to blame?

A dog big enough to break a forearm has CRAZY psi in their bite and meat rending teeth. Their entire mouth is designed to focus their body weight and jaw strength into two rows of cones. A wolf can bite through a moose leg. An 11 year old boy's finger is not as thick as a moose's anything.

This kid was dicking around with his fingers in a cage, something EVERYONE ON EARTH should know not to do. It's rule #1 of cages not to stick your hand in there. The dog was obviously big. Losing his finger isn't a tragedy, it's a lucky break. He could have lost his whole arm. The stump will remind him safety first. A hard lesson, but he'll have a better life for it.

His dad should lose custody and pet privileges, though. A pet rock might be more his speed.
 
2013-03-30 09:33:15 AM

nocturnal001: They are an endangered species, plus people out there are willing to pay to take care of a dangerous elephant but its not like people are lining up to adopt vicious dogs.


Mike Vick
 
2013-03-30 09:39:01 AM

doglover: nocturnal001: They are an endangered species, plus people out there are willing to pay to take care of a dangerous elephant but its not like people are lining up to adopt vicious dogs.

Mike Vick


Also, the people of Erwin, TN might like a word.
 
2013-03-30 09:48:34 AM
If I were in that position, I'd have done the same thing.  An eleven year old should have know better touching a trapped or confined dog, presuming it is of a dangerous breed.  That being presumed, even a poodle can cause big damage if so inclined.  A trapped animal can be very dangerous.  I'm not playing dog doctor here but they have all the problems people have, psychosis, headaches, bad days and so on.  There are days anyone, man or beast, that you will regret that you farked with them.

Now, I don't have a gun but I have lots of tools that could dispatch any dog size animal in a cage, just open the cage for a theoretical chance, then send them on their way to doggy heaven.  Commonplace in the country, I knew several animals, not one free bite, then they go for a walk that they never return from.  One was a totally nutso cat that would attack anyone anywhere scratching and biting, even in the middle of the night when people were sleeping.

Back to the now dead dog, big dogs have a tendency to  swallow a lot of food whole.  The time to retrieve the finger is now, before stomach fluids start digesting it.  Wrap up the kids finger, maybe a tourniquet, call 911, dispatch the dog, retrieve the finger, rinse, wrap in a cloth, place in a tub with ice, not in the ice,  on top.  Be all ready for EMS.

People will hate me for this but that is exactly what I would do.  I am sure by the time you get surgery on the dog, the finger will be damaged beyond reattachment hope and you will have a bill for surgery AND putting the dog down.
 
2013-03-30 09:56:18 AM

Gyrfalcon: Also, you can live without your pinky finger.


Wasn't there an NFL player who amputated his own finger rather than deal with the rehab and missing games? I'm drawing a blank here.
 
2013-03-30 09:58:54 AM

doglover: If the kid lost his finger in a wood shop doing something EVERY shop teacher in the world teaches you not to do would you be saying the band saw is to blame?


No, but if we had to break the bandsaw to free the kid's finger nobody is gonna complain. A kid having intact digits is worth more than a bandsaw. Or a dog.

And I think it's pretty messed up that you're OK with blaming the kid, despite they're being nothing in the story to indicate he did anything to deserved to have his finger bitten off. Even if he was teasing the dog (which we have no evidence for), he's a kid; they do stupid stuff sometimes. It doesn't mean he should grow up crippled.

doglover: His dad should lose custody


Seriously, what the fark is wrong with you that you'd even say that?
 
2013-03-30 10:04:45 AM
Came home from grade school, got a phone call from my mom. "Go over to Mrs. Polk's backyard, locate the lawn mower, find your big brother's finger. Have Mrs. Polk put it in a glass of ice water and run it over to the emergency center, m'kay?".

No panic, I got it done. Getting a kick.
 
2013-03-30 10:05:16 AM

nocturnal001: Dogs should NEVER bite people. The reason why doesn't matter. Aggression towards humans was bred out of dogs for a reason.


I dunno, what about for protection, like if a dog sees its owner being attacked?
 
2013-03-30 10:05:20 AM

dickfreckle: Gyrfalcon: Also, you can live without your pinky finger.

Wasn't there an NFL player who amputated his own finger rather than deal with the rehab and missing games? I'm drawing a blank here.


Ronnie Lott
 
2013-03-30 10:07:40 AM

doglover: spawn73: A dogs life is not worth more than a finger

If the kid lost his finger in a wood shop doing something EVERY shop teacher in the world teaches you not to do would you be saying the band saw is to blame?

If the kid shot himself in the eye with a Red Ryder BB gun looking down the barrel, would you say the gun's to blame?

A dog big enough to break a forearm has CRAZY psi in their bite and meat rending teeth. Their entire mouth is designed to focus their body weight and jaw strength into two rows of cones. A wolf can bite through a moose leg. An 11 year old boy's finger is not as thick as a moose's anything.

This kid was dicking around with his fingers in a cage, something EVERYONE ON EARTH should know not to do. It's rule #1 of cages not to stick your hand in there. The dog was obviously big. Losing his finger isn't a tragedy, it's a lucky break. He could have lost his whole arm. The stump will remind him safety first. A hard lesson, but he'll have a better life for it.

His dad should lose custody and pet privileges, though. A pet rock might be more his speed.


If the kids finger was in the bandsaws stomach you'd also kill the bandsaw because the finger is more important. That's the only way you analogy makes sense.

The only thing we can agree on is that he shouldn't have dogs. I suspect that's what is going to happen as a result of this.
 
2013-03-30 10:08:34 AM

Publikwerks: doglover: johngiger: Good for dad.  I would have done the same thing.

I wouldn't. Like on all counts.

First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Total failure all 'round.

Regardless, the dog bit a kids finger off. It needed to be put down. I'm not saying the owners weren't crappy, but the damage is done at this point. That dog is dangerous.


It was dangerous before it bit the kid's finger off...that's why it was in a cage.
 
2013-03-30 10:11:05 AM

Gunther: nothing in the story to indicate he did anything to deserved to have his finger bitten off.


Except the whole story itself.

1. Cage, 11 year old should know better and it was probably a miserable outdoor kennel.
2. Possibly Broken Forearm, definitely a big, powerful jawed dog
3. Florida, Florida
4. Multiple Shots To Put Down The Dog, probably a small caliber handgun in the hands of a non-hunter

I bet this was a fighting pit bull owned by a wannabe tough guy with a glock in a rough part of town. I'm callin' it now based on observable evidence.
 
2013-03-30 10:13:46 AM

doglover: spawn73: doglover:
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Because a finger is worth more than the life of an animal...

Oh really?

Explain to me why the elephant that killed my friend Mike is not only still alive but there was never even discussion of euthenasia, nor would he have wanted it. Go ahead and explain to me why the people who know animals the most don't even consider putting down a known killer when the attack has a rational explaination but an abused fighting dog deserves to be shot multiple times when it snaps at a kid dicking around with it.


So you just filled in all the blanks and created your own little version of the story now, huh? "That's some good detective work Lou".
 
2013-03-30 10:15:28 AM

spawn73: The only thing we can agree on is that he shouldn't have dogs. I suspect that's what is going to happen as a result of this.


If only we could minority report this shiat with some espers in a fishtank when kids are just getting to college.

"Look Johnny, we're from the National Bureau of Prognosticators and we'll give you a four year free ride at this college if you get a vasectomy or sign away your rights to own dogs. If you do both, we'll toss in an extra $10k. "
 
2013-03-30 10:18:24 AM

RoxtarRyan: nocturnal001: Dogs should NEVER bite people. The reason why doesn't matter. Aggression towards humans was bred out of dogs for a reason.

I dunno, what about for protection, like if a dog sees its owner being attacked?


That is the only exception I think.
 
2013-03-30 10:25:17 AM

doglover: spawn73: The only thing we can agree on is that he shouldn't have dogs. I suspect that's what is going to happen as a result of this.

If only we could minority report this shiat with some espers in a fishtank when kids are just getting to college.

"Look Johnny, we're from the National Bureau of Prognosticators and we'll give you a four year free ride at this college if you get a vasectomy or sign away your rights to own dogs. If you do both, we'll toss in an extra $10k. "


You would use that technology to protect dogs, wouldn't you?
 
2013-03-30 10:39:29 AM
"The dog's remains were taken into possession by Animal Control."

He couldn't even keep the meat?

/A dog is a fine meal.
 
2013-03-30 10:40:32 AM

spacelord321: doglover: spawn73: The only thing we can agree on is that he shouldn't have dogs. I suspect that's what is going to happen as a result of this.

If only we could minority report this shiat with some espers in a fishtank when kids are just getting to college.

"Look Johnny, we're from the National Bureau of Prognosticators and we'll give you a four year free ride at this college if you get a vasectomy or sign away your rights to own dogs. If you do both, we'll toss in an extra $10k. "

You would use that technology to protect dogs, wouldn't you?


Actually I'd probably use it to stop wars, mostly. Encourage the archdukes of the world to only travel on certain days and to wear an extra ballistics plate here and there. That would pretty much be a full time job with 7 billion people.
 
2013-03-30 10:42:14 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Also that's a hell of a bite if it broke the kid's arm in addition to severing the pinky. What was going on here?


My guess would be that the child's entire arm had reached into the cage and when the dog bit, the child recoiled violently, causing his arm to break against the cage.
 
2013-03-30 10:42:52 AM

doglover: 1. Cage, 11 year old should know better and it was probably a miserable outdoor kennel.


You have nothing to support that claim. Also, I imagine the vast majority of 11 year olds would try to pet their dog through the bars of a cage.

doglover: 4. Multiple Shots To Put Down The Dog, probably a small caliber handgun in the hands of a non-hunter


Or it was a .22 rifle, the most common type of gun in the country.

doglover: I bet this was a fighting pit bull owned by a wannabe tough guy with a glock in a rough part of town


You have no evidence for any of those assertions.

doglover: I'm callin' it now based on a bunch of stupid shiat I just made up


FTFY. You are just making shiat up, saying it "probably" happened that way and calling it evidence. Stop being such an asshole.
 
2013-03-30 10:46:23 AM

bearded clamorer: dickfreckle: Gyrfalcon: Also, you can live without your pinky finger.

Wasn't there an NFL player who amputated his own finger rather than deal with the rehab and missing games? I'm drawing a blank here.

Ronnie Lott


Just did some reading on him. Thanks for not mocking my Google failure.
 
2013-03-30 11:12:35 AM

dickfreckle: bearded clamorer: dickfreckle: Gyrfalcon: Also, you can live without your pinky finger.

Wasn't there an NFL player who amputated his own finger rather than deal with the rehab and missing games? I'm drawing a blank here.

Ronnie Lott

Just did some reading on him. Thanks for not mocking my Google failure.


He was featured on cracked recently too.
 
2013-03-30 11:17:26 AM

Gunther: doglover: 1. Cage, 11 year old should know better and it was probably a miserable outdoor kennel.

You have nothing to support that claim. Also, I imagine the vast majority of 11 year olds would try to pet their dog through the bars of a cage.

doglover: 4. Multiple Shots To Put Down The Dog, probably a small caliber handgun in the hands of a non-hunter

Or it was a .22 rifle, the most common type of gun in the country.

doglover: I bet this was a fighting pit bull owned by a wannabe tough guy with a glock in a rough part of town

You have no evidence for any of those assertions.

doglover: I'm callin' it now based on a bunch of stupid shiat I just made up

FTFY. You are just making shiat up, saying it "probably" happened that way and calling it evidence. Stop being such an asshole.


All valid points. I like how you didn't have a rebuttal for my third and most salient bit of conjecture, though. Some things just aren't open to debate.
 
2013-03-30 11:32:02 AM
This thread counts to potato
 
2013-03-30 11:39:19 AM
I for one would like to applaud this example of responsible gun ownership.
 
2013-03-30 11:42:48 AM

trackerbri: "The dog's remains were taken into possession by Animal Control."

He couldn't even keep the meat?

/A dog is a fine meal.


I prefer free-range, uncaged dog.
 
2013-03-30 11:45:02 AM
Well, this thread has been a wonderful object lesson in confirmation bias.
 
2013-03-30 12:09:05 PM
Wait, Florida? Dog must have been wearing a hoodie.
 
2013-03-30 12:34:21 PM

swingerofbirches: Losing a finger AND seeing your dad kill your dog because of something the dog did to you?

That kid had a bad day.


A guy in my guild recently explained his continued painkiller references after a couple of weeks by telling us he accidentally severed a toe with a door, and their dog ate it before he realized what had happened. He thought he'd just stubbed it really badly (someone was actually at the door, is why he didn't look immediately at his foot). Did he kill the dog? No, he accepted the loss and moved on (to some really good painkillers apparently). Maybe if it had been his kid, it would have ended differently, but I kind of doubt it.
 
2013-03-30 01:04:34 PM

swingerofbirches:  but the way he so quickly shot the dog and the fact that he had a gun to begin with

.

WAT
 
2013-03-30 01:05:42 PM

doglover: davidphogan: doglover: First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

I helped scavenge through the snow for fingerpieces of a neighbor as a kid, and that was being a good neighbor.  At least a snowblower was the culprit, and not a dog.

At least? If a dog in a cage takes your finger off, YOU are at fault. If you're too young to be at fault, your parents or guardian are to blame. No exceptions.

The dog was very clearly abused in this home and probably violent as a result. Also clear is that the father was very clearly an idiot. This kid will have to be very lucky to grow up without landing in jail or a box under his farked up tutelage.



...
FFS let me put you ignore and refresh the goddamn page
 
2013-03-30 01:33:55 PM

OptimusHime: Was it The Amazing Harold?

[anotherplotdevice.files.wordpress.com image 400x324]


Came for KK,BB references.  Leaving satisfied.

/shannyn sossamon and michelle monaghan both need to wear less clothes more often
 
2013-03-30 02:00:36 PM
I'm on the dad's side, despite all you namby pamby finger pointers.

Amazing how many assumptions yall make about what happened...

Love my dog.  would do the same tho.
 
2013-03-30 02:01:05 PM

ladyfortuna: swingerofbirches: Losing a finger AND seeing your dad kill your dog because of something the dog did to you?

That kid had a bad day.

A guy in my guild recently explained his continued painkiller references after a couple of weeks by telling us he accidentally severed a toe with a door, and their dog ate it before he realized what had happened. He thought he'd just stubbed it really badly (someone was actually at the door, is why he didn't look immediately at his foot). Did he kill the dog? No, he accepted the loss and moved on (to some really good painkillers apparently). Maybe if it had been his kid, it would have ended differently, but I kind of doubt it.


Gross. They kept that dog?
 
2013-03-30 02:39:28 PM
As far as I know. I'm sure if the dog develops a future taste for digits, they'll reconsider it, but I don't believe a dog should be killed just because it bit a person either. Some people deserve to get bitten... and some dogs are abused so much they don't know better without training.
 
2013-03-30 03:01:11 PM
Loving the internet tough guy dog killers in here. Got to keep those damn dogs in their place, or the next thing you know they'll be taking your greeter job down at the walmart.
 
2013-03-30 03:10:54 PM

nocturnal001: ladyfortuna: swingerofbirches: Losing a finger AND seeing your dad kill your dog because of something the dog did to you?

That kid had a bad day.

A guy in my guild recently explained his continued painkiller references after a couple of weeks by telling us he accidentally severed a toe with a door, and their dog ate it before he realized what had happened. He thought he'd just stubbed it really badly (someone was actually at the door, is why he didn't look immediately at his foot). Did he kill the dog? No, he accepted the loss and moved on (to some really good painkillers apparently). Maybe if it had been his kid, it would have ended differently, but I kind of doubt it.

Gross. They kept that dog?


A dog that ate a small piece of dead, raw meat on the floor?  If that's the line, you might just want to avoid all dogs as gross.
 
2013-03-30 03:37:14 PM
There's a big difference between crate training and keeping a dog confined to a cage and not properly socializing thedog. A dog confined to a small area, caged or tethered, will become extremely protective of his small territory. A dog that is tethered is three times more likely to bite. I would also bet this was an unneutered male.

This sounds like a "resident" dog, not a pet. The poor dog probably spent

It
 
2013-03-30 03:42:37 PM

Publikwerks: That dog is dangerous.


Well... not any more.
 
2013-03-30 03:44:07 PM
Sorry about the cut-off comment, I'm on my phone.

Anyway, the poor dog probably spent its whole life confined to a cage in the yard and was never socialized or trained.

A trained, well socialized dog is generally not going to bite off a finger that is stuck into his crate.

The three known risk factors for a fatal dog bite are: dog is an unneutered male (about 99% of the time), dog was tethered and the owner has a criminal record.
 
2013-03-30 04:03:40 PM
Ideally someone would have adopted this dog & blown thousands of dollars trying to rehabilitate it. There just aren't enough dogs.

/If this had been a fish nobody would care about gutting it.
 
2013-03-30 04:15:01 PM

Stoj: Ideally someone would have adopted this dog & blown thousands of dollars trying to rehabilitate it. There just aren't enough dogs.

/If this had been a fish nobody would care about gutting it.


If you honestly can't see the difference between a dog and a fish, I feel bad for you.

Please do not have children.
 
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