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(WWSB ABC 7)   Lesson not in the dad handbook: how to retrieve your son's severed finger from your dog's stomach   (mysuncoast.com ) divider line 116
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2013-03-30 01:01:27 AM  
If at first you don't succeed Tyr and Tyr again.
 
2013-03-30 02:42:23 AM  
So... could they reattatch the finger or not?

I suspect not - presumably it'd be all chewed up and half digested.
 
2013-03-30 02:43:12 AM  
Pitbull?
 
2013-03-30 03:03:43 AM  
Good for dad.  I would have done the same thing.
 
2013-03-30 03:04:03 AM  
Lemme guess.

www.samefacts.com

Correct?
 
2013-03-30 03:05:21 AM  
Oh for Christ sake, you're doing it wrong.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-30 03:07:33 AM  

johngiger: Good for dad.  I would have done the same thing.


I wouldn't. Like on all counts.

First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Total failure all 'round.
 
2013-03-30 03:08:47 AM  
Losing a finger AND seeing your dad kill your dog because of something the dog did to you?

That kid had a bad day.

I really do hate when people keep dogs in cages, though . . . unless this was night-time crate training, which is possible, but the way he so quickly shot the dog and the fact that he had a gun to begin with makes me question whether this was a permanent outdoor cage.

I wonder if he regrets it. I mean, it was more dangerous letting the dog out of the cage to shoot it than not doing so. I don't think you can argue this was anything more than an emotional response, not for safety.
 
2013-03-30 03:14:14 AM  

doglover: johngiger: Good for dad.  I would have done the same thing.

I wouldn't. Like on all counts.

First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Total failure all 'round.


Yup.

One of the few times I watched Maury, some kid whose ear was bitten off by a Dalmatian said a vet got his ear out of the dog's stomach.
 
2013-03-30 03:16:58 AM  
Easy, kill the dog.
Gut the dog.
Retrieve finger.
Put finger on ice.
Rush kid and finger to hospital.
 
2013-03-30 03:19:03 AM  
Was it The Amazing Harold?

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2013-03-30 03:20:00 AM  
Hooray for ignorant dooshbags. An animals cage is its safety spot, all its own. And it takes a bit more than just reaching in to make a family pet take off a finger. So the kid taunts the dog to the point of anger, ignores the dogs warnings - and they do give warnings - then dooshbag Dad of dooshbag son completes the asshole cycle. These are people that should not be allowed to have another pet.

dammit i hate people so much.
 
2013-03-30 03:20:39 AM  

doglover: First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?


I helped scavenge through the snow for fingerpieces of a neighbor as a kid, and that was being a good neighbor.  At least a snowblower was the culprit, and not a dog.
 
2013-03-30 03:26:35 AM  

davidphogan: doglover: First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

I helped scavenge through the snow for fingerpieces of a neighbor as a kid, and that was being a good neighbor.  At least a snowblower was the culprit, and not a dog.


At least? If a dog in a cage takes your finger off, YOU are at fault. If you're too young to be at fault, your parents or guardian are to blame. No exceptions.

The dog was very clearly abused in this home and probably violent as a result. Also clear is that the father was very clearly an idiot. This kid will have to be very lucky to grow up without landing in jail or a box under his farked up tutelage.
 
2013-03-30 03:36:20 AM  
11 year old should have been smart enough not to reach into a cage with a vicious dog.

Also that's a hell of a bite if it broke the kid's arm in addition to severing the pinky. What was going on here?
 
2013-03-30 03:38:58 AM  
As someone who has lost part of a finger, I can guess that they won't be able to reattach it. If it's a clean cut, they usually can. When it's not so clean, like a dog bite or say, a farking running lawnmower, it's a bit different.

Too bad for the dog, but we're the ones with thumbs. Suck it, biters.
 
2013-03-30 03:41:25 AM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: 11 year old should have been smart enough not to reach into a cage with a vicious dog.

Also that's a hell of a bite if it broke the kid's arm in addition to severing the pinky. What was going on here?


Animal abuse, child neglect, negligent firearms discharge within city limits, noise violations, littering, and felony dumbassery.
 
2013-03-30 03:41:55 AM  
well this sounds like an asshole trifecta, and the dog being an asshole is completely on the shoulders of the asshole owner, and the asshole kid who farked with it. Assholes.

/totally on the dog's side here
 
2013-03-30 03:43:31 AM  

doglover: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: 11 year old should have been smart enough not to reach into a cage with a vicious dog.

Also that's a hell of a bite if it broke the kid's arm in addition to severing the pinky. What was going on here?

Animal abuse, child neglect, negligent firearms discharge within city limits, noise violations, littering, and felony dumbassery.


...within the city limits... what are you, a farkin park ranger, man?
 
2013-03-30 04:04:02 AM  

doglover: johngiger: Good for dad.  I would have done the same thing.

I wouldn't. Like on all counts.

First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Total failure all 'round.


Yep yep.

If the dog was so vicious it needed to be caged, then the kid should have been nowhere near it. If the dog was vicious BECAUSE it had been caged, then the kid should have been nowhere near it, plus dad should be charged with cruelty to animals. If the dog was being crate-trained and wasn't meant to be around people (like it's an attack dog or something) then the kid REALLY shouldn't have been around it.

I dunno--Bradenton, a dog being kept in a cage that's so powerful it can break a kid's arm by biting his hand, a dog so vicious that dad has to shoot it "multiple times" to kill it--does this smell like a dog-fighting scenario to anyone else?

Also, you can live without your pinky finger.
 
2013-03-30 04:10:25 AM  

doglover: If a dog in a cage takes your finger off, YOU are at fault. If you're too young to be at fault, your parents or guardian are to blame. No exceptions.

The dog was very clearly abused in this home and probably violent as a result. Also clear is that the father was very clearly an idiot. This kid will have to be very lucky to grow up without landing in jail or a box under his farked up tutelage.


This. These people should never be allowed to have any animals ever again. Dumbasses.
I would not be surprised to hear that the poor dog was a fighting dog.

And I could cheerfully throttle people who keep dogs in cages.
 
2013-03-30 04:21:22 AM  

Gyrfalcon: does this smell like a dog-fighting scenario to anyone else?


Especially considering the speed with which he decided to shoot the dog, as opposed to taking it to the vet or something.
 
2013-03-30 04:25:22 AM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: 11 year old should have been smart enough not to reach into a cage with a vicious dog.

Also that's a hell of a bite if it broke the kid's arm in addition to severing the pinky. What was going on here?


I have a feeling the break came when the kid tried to jerk his arm out of the cage. I still can't really envision the exact manner in which it happened, but surely it's something along those lines.
 
2013-03-30 04:28:48 AM  

doglover: davidphogan: doglover: First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

I helped scavenge through the snow for fingerpieces of a neighbor as a kid, and that was being a good neighbor.  At least a snowblower was the culprit, and not a dog.

At least? If a dog in a cage takes your finger off, YOU are at fault. If you're too young to be at fault, your parents or guardian are to blame. No exceptions.

The dog was very clearly abused in this home and probably violent as a result. Also clear is that the father was very clearly an idiot. This kid will have to be very lucky to grow up without landing in jail or a box under his farked up tutelage.


Oh look at you and all your facts about dog behavior. It's like you love them or something.
 
2013-03-30 04:30:25 AM  

Gyrfalcon: doglover: johngiger: Good for dad.  I would have done the same thing.

I wouldn't. Like on all counts.

First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Total failure all 'round.

Yep yep.

If the dog was so vicious it needed to be caged, then the kid should have been nowhere near it. If the dog was vicious BECAUSE it had been caged, then the kid should have been nowhere near it, plus dad should be charged with cruelty to animals. If the dog was being crate-trained and wasn't meant to be around people (like it's an attack dog or something) then the kid REALLY shouldn't have been around it.

I dunno--Bradenton, a dog being kept in a cage that's so powerful it can break a kid's arm by biting his hand, a dog so vicious that dad has to shoot it "multiple times" to kill it--does this smell like a dog-fighting scenario to anyone else?

Also, you can live without your pinky finger.


But how would you properly drink your tea?
 
2013-03-30 04:32:11 AM  

The Snow Dog: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: 11 year old should have been smart enough not to reach into a cage with a vicious dog.

Also that's a hell of a bite if it broke the kid's arm in addition to severing the pinky. What was going on here?

I have a feeling the break came when the kid tried to jerk his arm out of the cage. I still can't really envision the exact manner in which it happened, but surely it's something along those lines.


I dunno, I can see the dog shaking his head while clamped on easily leading to a break. That's how they snap necks, eh?
 
2013-03-30 04:35:05 AM  
Why have a dog if you have to keep it locked in a cage???  If your dog is already that viscous either give it to someone who can tame it or put it down.
 
2013-03-30 04:38:54 AM  

cygnusx13: It's like you love them or something.


Only when they're cooked properly! :D

Seriously though dogs are what people should aspire to be, not vice versa.

astounde.com

I said NOT VICE VERSA! Bad dog, no cookie!
 
2013-03-30 05:08:20 AM  

swingerofbirches: Losing a finger AND seeing your dad kill your dog because of something the dog did to you?

That kid had a bad day.

I really do hate when people keep dogs in cages, though . . . unless this was night-time crate training, which is possible, but the way he so quickly shot the dog and the fact that he had a gun to begin with makes me question whether this was a permanent outdoor cage.

I wonder if he regrets it. I mean, it was more dangerous letting the dog out of the cage to shoot it than not doing so. I don't think you can argue this was anything more than an emotional response, not for safety.


Wah?!

"how to retrieve your son's severed finger from your dog's stomach "?

Walking Dead style?

/DNRTFA
 
2013-03-30 05:18:13 AM  

doglover: johngiger: Good for dad.  I would have done the same thing.

I wouldn't. Like on all counts.

First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Total failure all 'round.


Uh crate training? I find it useful when living in hurricane zones because the dog isn't shoved into a completely new environment when having to evacuate. If done right a dog will associate his cage with good things/sleep and not as a punishment. Could be the dog had become territorial about his cage.
 
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2013-03-30 05:38:33 AM  
Wow lots of ire on how to raise dogs.

Kind of like making a religious argument, or telling people how to raise their kids.

Crates and dogs usually work great together.
Kids and dogs usually work great together.

Sometimes they don't. Daddy had to deal with that.
 
2013-03-30 05:44:57 AM  

Korzine: doglover: johngiger: Good for dad.  I would have done the same thing.

I wouldn't. Like on all counts.

First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Total failure all 'round.

Uh crate training? I find it useful when living in hurricane zones because the dog isn't shoved into a completely new environment when having to evacuate. If done right a dog will associate his cage with good things/sleep and not as a punishment. Could be the dog had become territorial about his cage.


I doubt that's what it was.
 
2013-03-30 06:26:08 AM  
that will teach him to stick his finger where it shouldn't be....
All future girlfriends are not safe.....
 
2013-03-30 06:27:41 AM  

Great Janitor: Why have a dog if you have to keep it locked in a cage???  If your dog is already that viscous either give it to someone who can tame it or put it down.


I had a viscous dog once. It fell into an industrial size Waring Blender.
 
2013-03-30 06:43:06 AM  
I approve of the direction this thread went.
 
2013-03-30 07:05:07 AM  
This is why I own a cat. He will wait until I am dead before he starts to eat me.
 
2013-03-30 07:21:49 AM  
doglover: 
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Because a finger is worth more than the life of an animal even when the bloody animal didn't just attack your kid.
 
2013-03-30 07:23:33 AM  
www.hotflick.net
Avi: Tony.
Bullet Tooth Tony: What?
Avi: Look in the dog.
Bullet Tooth Tony: What do you mean "look in the dog?"
Avi: I mean open him up.
Bullet Tooth Tony: It's not as if it's a tin of baked beans! What do you mean "open him up"?
 
2013-03-30 07:27:56 AM  

doglover: johngiger: Good for dad.  I would have done the same thing.

I wouldn't. Like on all counts.

First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Total failure all 'round.


Regardless, the dog bit a kids finger off. It needed to be put down. I'm not saying the owners weren't crappy, but the damage is done at this point. That dog is dangerous.
 
2013-03-30 07:41:16 AM  
just do like garp bit the dog
 
2013-03-30 07:42:43 AM  
This is possibly the most troll-laden thread out of the gate seen this year on Fark.

"I would throttle people who keep dogs in cages"
"The owners are assholes"
"The dog was clearly abused"

Good fraking job, let's all take the DOG's side now?  You completely project your cuddly-wuddlies onto this situation from your fantasy worlds, it's a good thing you have all this anonymity, try leaving your bathhouses and bringing up your points that the humans are the bad in the workplace.  Idiots.  If it was your kid, you wouldn't do it?  I would hate to do it, but good grief, the dog broke the cardinal rule - you don't attack humans.  That's it.  I'm also guessing none of the trolls have ever been to a farm, or never outside the city.

You're also a barometer for how American culture has degenerated into something completely unrecognizable from hard-working, rational, pre-free to be you and me, hug a tree America.  Good Lord.  I am guessing you're all in favor of insurgents, fudge-packing, Janet Napolitano, drones, the NEA, NAMBLA, Sean Penn's trips to Venezuela, etc.  I'm a dog owner too, and the dog bite and slaughter was tragic, but all you ball-less, soulless Prius drivers are damned cowards and nothing approximating men.  Get a farking pair.
 
2013-03-30 07:50:21 AM  

Publikwerks: [www.hotflick.net image 850x478]
Avi: Tony.
Bullet Tooth Tony: What?
Avi: Look in the dog.
Bullet Tooth Tony: What do you mean "look in the dog?"
Avi: I mean open him up.
Bullet Tooth Tony: It's not as if it's a tin of baked beans! What do you mean "open him up"?


thank you hahahahahhha - I mean open him up hahahahahaha
what a great morning this'll be
 
2013-03-30 08:28:09 AM  
www.lanostratv.it
 
2013-03-30 08:32:16 AM  
"he retrieved the finger from the dog's stomach"

Using "fetched" would have been way too obvious.
 
2013-03-30 08:38:10 AM  
doglover better stick to dogs, aint no kid needs a dumb ass parent with such ridiculous priorities.
 
2013-03-30 08:39:26 AM  
Poor kid will never be able to drink a cup of tea properly ever again.
 
2013-03-30 08:40:02 AM  

bagfed: doglover better stick to dogs, aint no kid needs a dumb ass parent with such ridiculous priorities.


Utter and irrefutable THIS ^^
 
2013-03-30 08:46:14 AM  

doglover: johngiger: Good for dad.  I would have done the same thing.

I wouldn't. Like on all counts.

First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Total failure all 'round.


I am confused by a lot in this thread. Either lots of super duper animal lovers or you guys do not have kids. Don't you guys crate train your pets?

If I had a dog that bit my kid that dog is gone and never coming back. Something like this? I would probably kill it myself even if I didn't need to retrieve a finger.

Dogs should NEVER bite people. The reason why doesn't matter. Aggression towards humans was bred out of dogs for a reason.
 
2013-03-30 08:52:13 AM  

spawn73: doglover:
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Because a finger is worth more than the life of an animal...


Oh really?

Explain to me why the elephant that killed my friend Mike is not only still alive but there was never even discussion of euthenasia, nor would he have wanted it. Go ahead and explain to me why the people who know animals the most don't even consider putting down a known killer when the attack has a rational explaination but an abused fighting dog deserves to be shot multiple times when it snaps at a kid dicking around with it.
 
2013-03-30 09:00:20 AM  

Publikwerks: doglover: johngiger: Good for dad.  I would have done the same thing.

I wouldn't. Like on all counts.

First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Total failure all 'round.

Regardless, the dog bit a kids finger off. It needed to be put down. I'm not saying the owners weren't crappy, but the damage is done at this point. That dog is dangerous.


Exactly. They were probably the ones that screwed the dog up, but that ship has sailed.
 
2013-03-30 09:02:46 AM  

KrispyKritter: Hooray for ignorant dooshbags. An animals cage is its safety spot, all its own. And it takes a bit more than just reaching in to make a family pet take off a finger. So the kid taunts the dog to the point of anger, ignores the dogs warnings - and they do give warnings - then dooshbag Dad of dooshbag son completes the asshole cycle. These are people that should not be allowed to have another pet.

dammit i hate people so much.


Animals don't belong in cages except when they are a danger to society and are betng transported to the death chamber.  This guy sounds like the typical redneck cracker that infests Bradenton.   That town is one of a few that give Florida the Florida tag.
What a fine lesson he gave that poor young boy.  I hope babydaddy didn't shoot and gut the dog while sonny was watching.
 
2013-03-30 09:04:24 AM  

doglover: spawn73: doglover:
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Because a finger is worth more than the life of an animal...

Oh really?

Explain to me why the elephant that killed my friend Mike is not only still alive but there was never even discussion of euthenasia, nor would he have wanted it. Go ahead and explain to me why the people who know animals the most don't even consider putting down a known killer when the attack has a rational explaination but an abused fighting dog deserves to be shot multiple times when it snaps at a kid dicking around with it.


What?

For starters if the elephant had a human finger inside the convo would have been different.

Sorry, but an elephant is worth more than a dog. They are an endangered species, plus people out there are willing to pay to take care of a dangerous elephant but its not like people are lining up to adopt vicious dogs.
 
2013-03-30 09:08:45 AM  

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: KrispyKritter: Hooray for ignorant dooshbags. An animals cage is its safety spot, all its own. And it takes a bit more than just reaching in to make a family pet take off a finger. So the kid taunts the dog to the point of anger, ignores the dogs warnings - and they do give warnings - then dooshbag Dad of dooshbag son completes the asshole cycle. These are people that should not be allowed to have another pet.

dammit i hate people so much.

Animals don't belong in cages except when they are a danger to society and are betng transported to the death chamber.  This guy sounds like the typical redneck cracker that infests Bradenton.   That town is one of a few that give Florida the Florida tag.
What a fine lesson he gave that poor young boy.  I hope babydaddy didn't shoot and gut the dog while sonny was watching.


Yes, they do belong in cages sometimes. I have crate trained every dog I have owned. It resolves most of the problems people have and once they aren't in training the crate becomes their safe spot.

Judging from the article this was probably not a well cared for animal but that doesn't mean there aren't good reasons for crates. Except for the people that treat their dogs like people which is terrible for a dog.
 
2013-03-30 09:09:19 AM  

doglover: johngiger: Good for dad.  I would have done the same thing.

I wouldn't. Like on all counts.

First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Total failure all 'round.


I think you'd figure out why kill the dog to retrieve the finger if it were your son, either that or you're just a horrible person. Who the hell is sick enough to put the life of a dog above the limbs of their own kid? FUBAR is what that is sir.
 
2013-03-30 09:10:26 AM  

nocturnal001: doglover: johngiger: Good for dad.  I would have done the same thing.

I wouldn't. Like on all counts.

First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Total failure all 'round.

I am confused by a lot in this thread. Either lots of super duper animal lovers or you guys do not have kids. Don't you guys crate train your pets?

If I had a dog that bit my kid that dog is gone and never coming back. Something like this? I would probably kill it myself even if I didn't need to retrieve a finger.

Dogs should NEVER bite people. The reason why doesn't matter. Aggression towards humans was bred out of dogs for a reason.


This.

A lot of people crate train dogs, for I too keep my two 'cat-size' dogs in a large cage at night.  Those little idiots would sleep all day then bug the crap out of us at night.
Second, the kid is eleven and if not yet ready to be around pets alone, you have failed.  That is why we put this on the dog.
Third, no animal gets to severely hurt anyone in my house.  I agree the finger is worth retrieving by whatever means necessary.  I disagree with the thought that an animals life is worth that much when the choice is between my kid or the dog.
 
2013-03-30 09:12:50 AM  

doglover: spawn73: doglover:
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Because a finger is worth more than the life of an animal...

Oh really?

Explain to me why the elephant that killed my friend Mike is not only still alive but there was never even discussion of euthenasia, nor would he have wanted it. Go ahead and explain to me why the people who know animals the most don't even consider putting down a known killer when the attack has a rational explaination but an abused fighting dog deserves to be shot multiple times when it snaps at a kid dicking around with it.


Humans gets to deserve things. Animals are animals and aren't high enough in the hierarchy to be afforded that.

A dogs life is not worth more than a finger, anyone who thinks that have their priorities screwed up IMHO. And that's just dogs in general, not the one that just bit your child and ate his finger.

(was your friend Mike farking around with an elephant? That sounds interesting).
 
2013-03-30 09:15:21 AM  

spawn73: doglover: spawn73: doglover:
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Because a finger is worth more than the life of an animal...

Oh really?

Explain to me why the elephant that killed my friend Mike is not only still alive but there was never even discussion of euthenasia, nor would he have wanted it. Go ahead and explain to me why the people who know animals the most don't even consider putting down a known killer when the attack has a rational explaination but an abused fighting dog deserves to be shot multiple times when it snaps at a kid dicking around with it.

Humans gets to deserve things. Animals are animals and aren't high enough in the hierarchy to be afforded that.

A dogs life is not worth more than a finger, anyone who thinks that have their priorities screwed up IMHO. And that's just dogs in general, not the one that just bit your child and ate his finger.

(was your friend Mike farking around with an elephant? That sounds interesting).


If you are into that kind of thing I am sure there is some rule 34 in play. ;)
 
2013-03-30 09:25:52 AM  

chiett: Easy, kill the dog.
Gut the dog.
Retrieve finger.
Put finger on ice.
Rush kid and finger to hospital.


Did you RTFA?  Or are you just 'florida-level-genius'?
 
2013-03-30 09:26:44 AM  

spawn73: A dogs life is not worth more than a finger


If the kid lost his finger in a wood shop doing something EVERY shop teacher in the world teaches you not to do would you be saying the band saw is to blame?

If the kid shot himself in the eye with a Red Ryder BB gun looking down the barrel, would you say the gun's to blame?

A dog big enough to break a forearm has CRAZY psi in their bite and meat rending teeth. Their entire mouth is designed to focus their body weight and jaw strength into two rows of cones. A wolf can bite through a moose leg. An 11 year old boy's finger is not as thick as a moose's anything.

This kid was dicking around with his fingers in a cage, something EVERYONE ON EARTH should know not to do. It's rule #1 of cages not to stick your hand in there. The dog was obviously big. Losing his finger isn't a tragedy, it's a lucky break. He could have lost his whole arm. The stump will remind him safety first. A hard lesson, but he'll have a better life for it.

His dad should lose custody and pet privileges, though. A pet rock might be more his speed.
 
2013-03-30 09:33:15 AM  

nocturnal001: They are an endangered species, plus people out there are willing to pay to take care of a dangerous elephant but its not like people are lining up to adopt vicious dogs.


Mike Vick
 
2013-03-30 09:39:01 AM  

doglover: nocturnal001: They are an endangered species, plus people out there are willing to pay to take care of a dangerous elephant but its not like people are lining up to adopt vicious dogs.

Mike Vick


Also, the people of Erwin, TN might like a word.
 
2013-03-30 09:48:34 AM  
If I were in that position, I'd have done the same thing.  An eleven year old should have know better touching a trapped or confined dog, presuming it is of a dangerous breed.  That being presumed, even a poodle can cause big damage if so inclined.  A trapped animal can be very dangerous.  I'm not playing dog doctor here but they have all the problems people have, psychosis, headaches, bad days and so on.  There are days anyone, man or beast, that you will regret that you farked with them.

Now, I don't have a gun but I have lots of tools that could dispatch any dog size animal in a cage, just open the cage for a theoretical chance, then send them on their way to doggy heaven.  Commonplace in the country, I knew several animals, not one free bite, then they go for a walk that they never return from.  One was a totally nutso cat that would attack anyone anywhere scratching and biting, even in the middle of the night when people were sleeping.

Back to the now dead dog, big dogs have a tendency to  swallow a lot of food whole.  The time to retrieve the finger is now, before stomach fluids start digesting it.  Wrap up the kids finger, maybe a tourniquet, call 911, dispatch the dog, retrieve the finger, rinse, wrap in a cloth, place in a tub with ice, not in the ice,  on top.  Be all ready for EMS.

People will hate me for this but that is exactly what I would do.  I am sure by the time you get surgery on the dog, the finger will be damaged beyond reattachment hope and you will have a bill for surgery AND putting the dog down.
 
2013-03-30 09:56:18 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Also, you can live without your pinky finger.


Wasn't there an NFL player who amputated his own finger rather than deal with the rehab and missing games? I'm drawing a blank here.
 
2013-03-30 09:58:54 AM  

doglover: If the kid lost his finger in a wood shop doing something EVERY shop teacher in the world teaches you not to do would you be saying the band saw is to blame?


No, but if we had to break the bandsaw to free the kid's finger nobody is gonna complain. A kid having intact digits is worth more than a bandsaw. Or a dog.

And I think it's pretty messed up that you're OK with blaming the kid, despite they're being nothing in the story to indicate he did anything to deserved to have his finger bitten off. Even if he was teasing the dog (which we have no evidence for), he's a kid; they do stupid stuff sometimes. It doesn't mean he should grow up crippled.

doglover: His dad should lose custody


Seriously, what the fark is wrong with you that you'd even say that?
 
2013-03-30 10:04:45 AM  
Came home from grade school, got a phone call from my mom. "Go over to Mrs. Polk's backyard, locate the lawn mower, find your big brother's finger. Have Mrs. Polk put it in a glass of ice water and run it over to the emergency center, m'kay?".

No panic, I got it done. Getting a kick.
 
2013-03-30 10:05:16 AM  

nocturnal001: Dogs should NEVER bite people. The reason why doesn't matter. Aggression towards humans was bred out of dogs for a reason.


I dunno, what about for protection, like if a dog sees its owner being attacked?
 
2013-03-30 10:05:20 AM  

dickfreckle: Gyrfalcon: Also, you can live without your pinky finger.

Wasn't there an NFL player who amputated his own finger rather than deal with the rehab and missing games? I'm drawing a blank here.


Ronnie Lott
 
2013-03-30 10:07:40 AM  

doglover: spawn73: A dogs life is not worth more than a finger

If the kid lost his finger in a wood shop doing something EVERY shop teacher in the world teaches you not to do would you be saying the band saw is to blame?

If the kid shot himself in the eye with a Red Ryder BB gun looking down the barrel, would you say the gun's to blame?

A dog big enough to break a forearm has CRAZY psi in their bite and meat rending teeth. Their entire mouth is designed to focus their body weight and jaw strength into two rows of cones. A wolf can bite through a moose leg. An 11 year old boy's finger is not as thick as a moose's anything.

This kid was dicking around with his fingers in a cage, something EVERYONE ON EARTH should know not to do. It's rule #1 of cages not to stick your hand in there. The dog was obviously big. Losing his finger isn't a tragedy, it's a lucky break. He could have lost his whole arm. The stump will remind him safety first. A hard lesson, but he'll have a better life for it.

His dad should lose custody and pet privileges, though. A pet rock might be more his speed.


If the kids finger was in the bandsaws stomach you'd also kill the bandsaw because the finger is more important. That's the only way you analogy makes sense.

The only thing we can agree on is that he shouldn't have dogs. I suspect that's what is going to happen as a result of this.
 
2013-03-30 10:08:34 AM  

Publikwerks: doglover: johngiger: Good for dad.  I would have done the same thing.

I wouldn't. Like on all counts.

First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Total failure all 'round.

Regardless, the dog bit a kids finger off. It needed to be put down. I'm not saying the owners weren't crappy, but the damage is done at this point. That dog is dangerous.


It was dangerous before it bit the kid's finger off...that's why it was in a cage.
 
2013-03-30 10:11:05 AM  

Gunther: nothing in the story to indicate he did anything to deserved to have his finger bitten off.


Except the whole story itself.

1. Cage, 11 year old should know better and it was probably a miserable outdoor kennel.
2. Possibly Broken Forearm, definitely a big, powerful jawed dog
3. Florida, Florida
4. Multiple Shots To Put Down The Dog, probably a small caliber handgun in the hands of a non-hunter

I bet this was a fighting pit bull owned by a wannabe tough guy with a glock in a rough part of town. I'm callin' it now based on observable evidence.
 
2013-03-30 10:13:46 AM  

doglover: spawn73: doglover:
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

Because a finger is worth more than the life of an animal...

Oh really?

Explain to me why the elephant that killed my friend Mike is not only still alive but there was never even discussion of euthenasia, nor would he have wanted it. Go ahead and explain to me why the people who know animals the most don't even consider putting down a known killer when the attack has a rational explaination but an abused fighting dog deserves to be shot multiple times when it snaps at a kid dicking around with it.


So you just filled in all the blanks and created your own little version of the story now, huh? "That's some good detective work Lou".
 
2013-03-30 10:15:28 AM  

spawn73: The only thing we can agree on is that he shouldn't have dogs. I suspect that's what is going to happen as a result of this.


If only we could minority report this shiat with some espers in a fishtank when kids are just getting to college.

"Look Johnny, we're from the National Bureau of Prognosticators and we'll give you a four year free ride at this college if you get a vasectomy or sign away your rights to own dogs. If you do both, we'll toss in an extra $10k. "
 
2013-03-30 10:18:24 AM  

RoxtarRyan: nocturnal001: Dogs should NEVER bite people. The reason why doesn't matter. Aggression towards humans was bred out of dogs for a reason.

I dunno, what about for protection, like if a dog sees its owner being attacked?


That is the only exception I think.
 
2013-03-30 10:25:17 AM  

doglover: spawn73: The only thing we can agree on is that he shouldn't have dogs. I suspect that's what is going to happen as a result of this.

If only we could minority report this shiat with some espers in a fishtank when kids are just getting to college.

"Look Johnny, we're from the National Bureau of Prognosticators and we'll give you a four year free ride at this college if you get a vasectomy or sign away your rights to own dogs. If you do both, we'll toss in an extra $10k. "


You would use that technology to protect dogs, wouldn't you?
 
2013-03-30 10:39:29 AM  
"The dog's remains were taken into possession by Animal Control."

He couldn't even keep the meat?

/A dog is a fine meal.
 
2013-03-30 10:40:32 AM  

spacelord321: doglover: spawn73: The only thing we can agree on is that he shouldn't have dogs. I suspect that's what is going to happen as a result of this.

If only we could minority report this shiat with some espers in a fishtank when kids are just getting to college.

"Look Johnny, we're from the National Bureau of Prognosticators and we'll give you a four year free ride at this college if you get a vasectomy or sign away your rights to own dogs. If you do both, we'll toss in an extra $10k. "

You would use that technology to protect dogs, wouldn't you?


Actually I'd probably use it to stop wars, mostly. Encourage the archdukes of the world to only travel on certain days and to wear an extra ballistics plate here and there. That would pretty much be a full time job with 7 billion people.
 
2013-03-30 10:42:14 AM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Also that's a hell of a bite if it broke the kid's arm in addition to severing the pinky. What was going on here?


My guess would be that the child's entire arm had reached into the cage and when the dog bit, the child recoiled violently, causing his arm to break against the cage.
 
2013-03-30 10:42:52 AM  

doglover: 1. Cage, 11 year old should know better and it was probably a miserable outdoor kennel.


You have nothing to support that claim. Also, I imagine the vast majority of 11 year olds would try to pet their dog through the bars of a cage.

doglover: 4. Multiple Shots To Put Down The Dog, probably a small caliber handgun in the hands of a non-hunter


Or it was a .22 rifle, the most common type of gun in the country.

doglover: I bet this was a fighting pit bull owned by a wannabe tough guy with a glock in a rough part of town


You have no evidence for any of those assertions.

doglover: I'm callin' it now based on a bunch of stupid shiat I just made up


FTFY. You are just making shiat up, saying it "probably" happened that way and calling it evidence. Stop being such an asshole.
 
2013-03-30 10:46:23 AM  

bearded clamorer: dickfreckle: Gyrfalcon: Also, you can live without your pinky finger.

Wasn't there an NFL player who amputated his own finger rather than deal with the rehab and missing games? I'm drawing a blank here.

Ronnie Lott


Just did some reading on him. Thanks for not mocking my Google failure.
 
2013-03-30 11:12:35 AM  

dickfreckle: bearded clamorer: dickfreckle: Gyrfalcon: Also, you can live without your pinky finger.

Wasn't there an NFL player who amputated his own finger rather than deal with the rehab and missing games? I'm drawing a blank here.

Ronnie Lott

Just did some reading on him. Thanks for not mocking my Google failure.


He was featured on cracked recently too.
 
2013-03-30 11:17:26 AM  

Gunther: doglover: 1. Cage, 11 year old should know better and it was probably a miserable outdoor kennel.

You have nothing to support that claim. Also, I imagine the vast majority of 11 year olds would try to pet their dog through the bars of a cage.

doglover: 4. Multiple Shots To Put Down The Dog, probably a small caliber handgun in the hands of a non-hunter

Or it was a .22 rifle, the most common type of gun in the country.

doglover: I bet this was a fighting pit bull owned by a wannabe tough guy with a glock in a rough part of town

You have no evidence for any of those assertions.

doglover: I'm callin' it now based on a bunch of stupid shiat I just made up

FTFY. You are just making shiat up, saying it "probably" happened that way and calling it evidence. Stop being such an asshole.


All valid points. I like how you didn't have a rebuttal for my third and most salient bit of conjecture, though. Some things just aren't open to debate.
 
2013-03-30 11:32:02 AM  
This thread counts to potato
 
2013-03-30 11:39:19 AM  
I for one would like to applaud this example of responsible gun ownership.
 
2013-03-30 11:42:48 AM  

trackerbri: "The dog's remains were taken into possession by Animal Control."

He couldn't even keep the meat?

/A dog is a fine meal.


I prefer free-range, uncaged dog.
 
2013-03-30 11:45:02 AM  
Well, this thread has been a wonderful object lesson in confirmation bias.
 
2013-03-30 12:09:05 PM  
Wait, Florida? Dog must have been wearing a hoodie.
 
2013-03-30 12:34:21 PM  

swingerofbirches: Losing a finger AND seeing your dad kill your dog because of something the dog did to you?

That kid had a bad day.


A guy in my guild recently explained his continued painkiller references after a couple of weeks by telling us he accidentally severed a toe with a door, and their dog ate it before he realized what had happened. He thought he'd just stubbed it really badly (someone was actually at the door, is why he didn't look immediately at his foot). Did he kill the dog? No, he accepted the loss and moved on (to some really good painkillers apparently). Maybe if it had been his kid, it would have ended differently, but I kind of doubt it.
 
2013-03-30 01:04:34 PM  

swingerofbirches:  but the way he so quickly shot the dog and the fact that he had a gun to begin with

.

WAT
 
2013-03-30 01:05:42 PM  

doglover: davidphogan: doglover: First off, why's the dog in the cage anyway?
Second, why's the kid unsupervised near the cage?
Third, why kill the dog just for the finger?

I helped scavenge through the snow for fingerpieces of a neighbor as a kid, and that was being a good neighbor.  At least a snowblower was the culprit, and not a dog.

At least? If a dog in a cage takes your finger off, YOU are at fault. If you're too young to be at fault, your parents or guardian are to blame. No exceptions.

The dog was very clearly abused in this home and probably violent as a result. Also clear is that the father was very clearly an idiot. This kid will have to be very lucky to grow up without landing in jail or a box under his farked up tutelage.



...
FFS let me put you ignore and refresh the goddamn page
 
2013-03-30 01:33:55 PM  

OptimusHime: Was it The Amazing Harold?

[anotherplotdevice.files.wordpress.com image 400x324]


Came for KK,BB references.  Leaving satisfied.

/shannyn sossamon and michelle monaghan both need to wear less clothes more often
 
2013-03-30 02:00:36 PM  
I'm on the dad's side, despite all you namby pamby finger pointers.

Amazing how many assumptions yall make about what happened...

Love my dog.  would do the same tho.
 
2013-03-30 02:01:05 PM  

ladyfortuna: swingerofbirches: Losing a finger AND seeing your dad kill your dog because of something the dog did to you?

That kid had a bad day.

A guy in my guild recently explained his continued painkiller references after a couple of weeks by telling us he accidentally severed a toe with a door, and their dog ate it before he realized what had happened. He thought he'd just stubbed it really badly (someone was actually at the door, is why he didn't look immediately at his foot). Did he kill the dog? No, he accepted the loss and moved on (to some really good painkillers apparently). Maybe if it had been his kid, it would have ended differently, but I kind of doubt it.


Gross. They kept that dog?
 
2013-03-30 02:39:28 PM  
As far as I know. I'm sure if the dog develops a future taste for digits, they'll reconsider it, but I don't believe a dog should be killed just because it bit a person either. Some people deserve to get bitten... and some dogs are abused so much they don't know better without training.
 
2013-03-30 03:01:11 PM  
Loving the internet tough guy dog killers in here. Got to keep those damn dogs in their place, or the next thing you know they'll be taking your greeter job down at the walmart.
 
2013-03-30 03:10:54 PM  

nocturnal001: ladyfortuna: swingerofbirches: Losing a finger AND seeing your dad kill your dog because of something the dog did to you?

That kid had a bad day.

A guy in my guild recently explained his continued painkiller references after a couple of weeks by telling us he accidentally severed a toe with a door, and their dog ate it before he realized what had happened. He thought he'd just stubbed it really badly (someone was actually at the door, is why he didn't look immediately at his foot). Did he kill the dog? No, he accepted the loss and moved on (to some really good painkillers apparently). Maybe if it had been his kid, it would have ended differently, but I kind of doubt it.

Gross. They kept that dog?


A dog that ate a small piece of dead, raw meat on the floor?  If that's the line, you might just want to avoid all dogs as gross.
 
2013-03-30 03:37:14 PM  
There's a big difference between crate training and keeping a dog confined to a cage and not properly socializing thedog. A dog confined to a small area, caged or tethered, will become extremely protective of his small territory. A dog that is tethered is three times more likely to bite. I would also bet this was an unneutered male.

This sounds like a "resident" dog, not a pet. The poor dog probably spent

It
 
2013-03-30 03:42:37 PM  

Publikwerks: That dog is dangerous.


Well... not any more.
 
2013-03-30 03:44:07 PM  
Sorry about the cut-off comment, I'm on my phone.

Anyway, the poor dog probably spent its whole life confined to a cage in the yard and was never socialized or trained.

A trained, well socialized dog is generally not going to bite off a finger that is stuck into his crate.

The three known risk factors for a fatal dog bite are: dog is an unneutered male (about 99% of the time), dog was tethered and the owner has a criminal record.
 
2013-03-30 04:03:40 PM  
Ideally someone would have adopted this dog & blown thousands of dollars trying to rehabilitate it. There just aren't enough dogs.

/If this had been a fish nobody would care about gutting it.
 
2013-03-30 04:15:01 PM  

Stoj: Ideally someone would have adopted this dog & blown thousands of dollars trying to rehabilitate it. There just aren't enough dogs.

/If this had been a fish nobody would care about gutting it.


If you honestly can't see the difference between a dog and a fish, I feel bad for you.

Please do not have children.
 
2013-03-30 04:24:10 PM  

gunther_bumpass: Stoj: Ideally someone would have adopted this dog & blown thousands of dollars trying to rehabilitate it. There just aren't enough dogs.

/If this had been a fish nobody would care about gutting it.

If you honestly can't see the difference between a dog and a fish, I feel bad for you.

Please do not have children.


Too late!

Can you provide me the list of pets and where each falls on the spectrum of "things that are ok to kill if they attack human children"?
 
2013-03-30 04:25:59 PM  

xanderak: I'm on the dad's side, despite all you namby pamby finger pointers.

Amazing how many assumptions yall make about what happened...

Love my dog.  would do the same tho.


Yeah, I agree.  I don't actually see the big deal about what the dad did.
His possible poor treatment of the dog notwithstanding, it is a completely reasonable thought that retrieving the digit from the dog's stomach acid ASAP would maximize the possibility for successful reattachment.  Even if he loved the dog, it's his frickin' kid.  Whether this guy is a criminal, or whether he was mistreating the dog, or whatever, none of that is relevant to the reasonableness of his actions, which I think were entirely justifiable.
 
2013-03-30 05:33:22 PM  

ErinPac: nocturnal001: ladyfortuna: swingerofbirches: Losing a finger AND seeing your dad kill your dog because of something the dog did to you?

That kid had a bad day.

A guy in my guild recently explained his continued painkiller references after a couple of weeks by telling us he accidentally severed a toe with a door, and their dog ate it before he realized what had happened. He thought he'd just stubbed it really badly (someone was actually at the door, is why he didn't look immediately at his foot). Did he kill the dog? No, he accepted the loss and moved on (to some really good painkillers apparently). Maybe if it had been his kid, it would have ended differently, but I kind of doubt it.

Gross. They kept that dog?

A dog that ate a small piece of dead, raw meat on the floor?  If that's the line, you might just want to avoid all dogs as gross.



I think you meant to say "a dog ate part of a person".  That is weird, if anything it should smell like it's owner and be avoided. So if a dead body were just laying there you wouldn't object to your dog digging in?

This is what happens when hundreds of years of selective breeding produce so much retardation in dog lines.  Way too many dogs/breeds are essentially retarded compared to others.  If anything a properly trained dog would know not to instantly eat something that drops near it.  As much heat as the cats that ate that old lady got I'm surprised that dog folks think "dog ate my toe? oh well. lolz".

/dog owner all my life, not saying I would kill my dog for eating a detached digit, but I don't think I could keep it around
 
2013-03-30 07:45:43 PM  

nocturnal001: ErinPac: nocturnal001: ladyfortuna: swingerofbirches: Losing a finger AND seeing your dad kill your dog because of something the dog did to you?

That kid had a bad day.

A guy in my guild recently explained his continued painkiller references after a couple of weeks by telling us he accidentally severed a toe with a door, and their dog ate it before he realized what had happened. He thought he'd just stubbed it really badly (someone was actually at the door, is why he didn't look immediately at his foot). Did he kill the dog? No, he accepted the loss and moved on (to some really good painkillers apparently). Maybe if it had been his kid, it would have ended differently, but I kind of doubt it.

Gross. They kept that dog?

A dog that ate a small piece of dead, raw meat on the floor?  If that's the line, you might just want to avoid all dogs as gross.


I think you meant to say "a dog ate part of a person".  That is weird, if anything it should smell like it's owner and be avoided. So if a dead body were just laying there you wouldn't object to your dog digging in?

This is what happens when hundreds of years of selective breeding produce so much retardation in dog lines.  Way too many dogs/breeds are essentially retarded compared to others.  If anything a properly trained dog would know not to instantly eat something that drops near it.  As much heat as the cats that ate that old lady got I'm surprised that dog folks think "dog ate my toe? oh well. lolz".

/dog owner all my life, not saying I would kill my dog for eating a detached digit, but I don't think I could keep it around


It's not appealing, but yes, if there is a dead body laying there many completely non-aggressive animals will eat it.  Haven't you read many of those sort of stories?  Obviously if I were there I'd stop it, but I'd not be shocked.  I'm sure most of the house smells like their owner, but it's rather obvious their owner is not an already severed piece of dead flesh.  The rest I think would require human sensibilities to be bothered on.  Wolves often eat the deceased in their own pack and often dogs will eat dead puppies; why would that be any different when another species is included in their pack?

I don't think it's appealing, mind you.  I just think it has very little to do with possible aggression and is not particularly surprising.  They're scavengers.  It's a step above them eating dead toes that are still attached... which they also do often enough (diabetes, injuries that leave them dead or gangrenous, etc).  That may raise the creep factor enough for me to re-home the dog... but also partially because if one toe dies due to some illness, there's a decent chance of that event repeating... though it may also be a sign to step up the doctor appointments.  However, it also makes me think they are well aware of the difference between live toes and dead - and that'd only be more obvious if it's been left lost on the ground.  It's just not the same thing as attacking you.  They chew their own dew claws if they are ripped too, and that's not them becoming emo dogs.

I'm actually not all that much of a dog person; I just can't see how a dog could be expected to appreciate why that would be gross.  They can be very smart, but I don't see why they'd naturally make that conclusion, and it's not exactly something you practice training them on.
 
2013-03-30 09:11:53 PM  
Will you dog lovers just kill yourselves? Worthless pieces of misanthropic crap. The only reason you feel that way about animals is because they can't judge you for your stupidity.
 
2013-03-30 09:13:10 PM  

Stoj: gunther_bumpass: Stoj: Ideally someone would have adopted this dog & blown thousands of dollars trying to rehabilitate it. There just aren't enough dogs.

/If this had been a fish nobody would care about gutting it.

If you honestly can't see the difference between a dog and a fish, I feel bad for you.

Please do not have children.

Too late!

Can you provide me the list of pets and where each falls on the spectrum of "things that are ok to kill if they attack human children"?


OK to Kill:  All pets

Not OK to Kill:  No pets
 
2013-03-30 10:12:37 PM  
 
You've got ta
pack your things and go...
move fast not slow,
the dog is mine
 
2013-03-30 10:33:21 PM  
ladyfortuna:

"A guy in my guild recently explained his continued painkiller references after a couple of weeks by telling us he accidentally severed a toe with a door, and their dog ate it before he realized what had happened. He thought he'd just stubbed it really badly (someone was actually at the door, is why he didn't look immediately at his foot). Did he kill the dog? No, he accepted the loss and moved on (to some really good painkillers apparently). Maybe if it had been his kid, it would have ended differently, but I kind of doubt it."

Does he have diabetes? I would imagine for most of us a severed joint would be excrutiatingly painful.
 
2013-03-30 10:45:26 PM  

Of course none of know what happened here, but it sounds likely that this guy was abusing his dog, and his kid paid for it- an eleven year old, who probably should have known better, but again, we just don't know. My problem is not that he killed the dog, but that he likely was the one that turned it into an asshole in the first place.


Would I kill a dog that attacked my kid? Probably. Would I raise a dog to be antisocial? Fark no.  Trouble is, many people are just too damn lazy and stupid to be good dog owners. We have over ten thousand years of mutually beneficial co-evolution with dogs - many researchers say we probably wouldn't have advanced as far or as quickly as we have without them. Still ,there are mouthbreathing morons out there who can't or won't  acknowledge that difference. But hey, I guess the bible says that all beasts are under our dominion, right?


I happen to believe that we are just one more animal- a bit more evolved than most, possibly less than others, though individuals of our species vary widely in that regard. Dogs, dolphins, elephants, other primates, shiat even octopuses are believed to think, sometimes even have emotions.


Anyway, the main thing is, by acknowledging the fact that humans are smarter than other animals, you've already agreed in principle to the fact that one animal can be smarter than another - I don't see why it's so difficult to fathom that dogs may be smarter and more worthy of not being eaten than your common large-testicled squirrel.
 
2013-03-30 11:35:24 PM  
The part that disturbs me is "the dog was in its cage."

Dogs are not hamsters that you take out of the cage once in a while to play with.
 
2013-03-30 11:36:32 PM  

o'really: ladyfortuna:

"A guy in my guild recently explained his continued painkiller references after a couple of weeks by telling us he accidentally severed a toe with a door, and their dog ate it before he realized what had happened. He thought he'd just stubbed it really badly (someone was actually at the door, is why he didn't look immediately at his foot). Did he kill the dog? No, he accepted the loss and moved on (to some really good painkillers apparently). Maybe if it had been his kid, it would have ended differently, but I kind of doubt it."

Does he have diabetes? I would imagine for most of us a severed joint would be excrutiatingly painful.


Not as far as I know; I have myself cut a finger or toe in the past without realizing it was bleeding until later. He did say it hurt like hell, but like I said he was distracted by whoever was at the door.
 
2013-03-31 08:39:26 AM  

ErinPac: nocturnal001: ErinPac: nocturnal001: ladyfortuna: swingerofbirches: Losing a finger AND seeing your dad kill your dog because of something the dog did to you?

That kid had a bad day.

A guy in my guild recently explained his continued painkiller references after a couple of weeks by telling us he accidentally severed a toe with a door, and their dog ate it before he realized what had happened. He thought he'd just stubbed it really badly (someone was actually at the door, is why he didn't look immediately at his foot). Did he kill the dog? No, he accepted the loss and moved on (to some really good painkillers apparently). Maybe if it had been his kid, it would have ended differently, but I kind of doubt it.

Gross. They kept that dog?

A dog that ate a small piece of dead, raw meat on the floor?  If that's the line, you might just want to avoid all dogs as gross.


I think you meant to say "a dog ate part of a person".  That is weird, if anything it should smell like it's owner and be avoided. So if a dead body were just laying there you wouldn't object to your dog digging in?

This is what happens when hundreds of years of selective breeding produce so much retardation in dog lines.  Way too many dogs/breeds are essentially retarded compared to others.  If anything a properly trained dog would know not to instantly eat something that drops near it.  As much heat as the cats that ate that old lady got I'm surprised that dog folks think "dog ate my toe? oh well. lolz".

/dog owner all my life, not saying I would kill my dog for eating a detached digit, but I don't think I could keep it around

It's not appealing, but yes, if there is a dead body laying there many completely non-aggressive animals will eat it.  Haven't you read many of those sort of stories?  Obviously if I were there I'd stop it, but I'd not be shocked.  I'm sure most of the house smells like their owner, but it's rather obvious their owner is not an already severed piece of dead flesh.  The rest I think would require human sensibilities to be bothered on.  Wolves often eat the deceased in their own pack and often dogs will eat dead puppies; why would that be any different when another species is included in their pack?

I don't think it's appealing, mind you.  I just think it has very little to do with possible aggression and is not particularly surprising.  They're scavengers.  It's a step above them eating dead toes that are still attached... which they also do often enough (diabetes, injuries that leave them dead or gangrenous, etc).  That may raise the creep factor enough for me to re-home the dog... but also partially because if one toe dies due to some illness, there's a decent chance of that event repeating... though it may also be a sign to step up the doctor appointments.  However, it also makes me think they are well aware of the difference between live toes and dead - and that'd only be more obvious if it's been left lost on the ground.  It's just not the same thing as attacking you.  They chew their own dew claws if they are ripped too, and that's not them becoming emo dogs.

I'm actually not all that much of a dog person; I just can't see how a dog could be expected to appreciate why that would be gross.  They can be very smart, but I don't see why they'd naturally make that conclusion, and it's not exactly something you practice training them on.


Yeah not super unusual just pretty weird all in all.
 
2013-03-31 09:30:53 AM  

Worldwalker: The part that disturbs me is "the dog was in its cage."

Dogs are not hamsters that you take out of the cage once in a while to play with.


Dogs are in fact animals, not people. If you think otherwise you are the type of person I believe should not have a dog, as it will never be properly handled or trained.  Many valid training strategies involve crates and cages. Every dog I have ever owned was crate trained. It makes area training a dog so much easier to understand when they are used to being told to get in their cage.
 
2013-03-31 09:35:04 AM  

runescorpio: Worldwalker: The part that disturbs me is "the dog was in its cage."

Dogs are not hamsters that you take out of the cage once in a while to play with.

Dogs are in fact animals, not people. If you think otherwise you are the type of person I believe should not have a dog, as it will never be properly handled or trained.  Many valid training strategies involve crates and cages. Every dog I have ever owned was crate trained. It makes area training a dog so much easier to understand when they are used to being told to get in their cage.


My dog has a chair.  A soft lazyboy chair.  She has never been a problem to train.  She has never been in a cage except at the shelter where I got her.   She has never removed the finger of anyone.
Your argument is invalid.
 
2013-03-31 10:35:51 AM  

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: runescorpio: Worldwalker: The part that disturbs me is "the dog was in its cage."

Dogs are not hamsters that you take out of the cage once in a while to play with.

Dogs are in fact animals, not people. If you think otherwise you are the type of person I believe should not have a dog, as it will never be properly handled or trained.  Many valid training strategies involve crates and cages. Every dog I have ever owned was crate trained. It makes area training a dog so much easier to understand when they are used to being told to get in their cage.

My dog has a chair.  A soft lazyboy chair.  She has never been a problem to train.  She has never been in a cage except at the shelter where I got her.   She has never removed the finger of anyone.
Your argument is invalid.


Some dogs don't need that help, some do. Crate training is perfectly fine and is the best solution in most cases. How many dogs are given up because their owners couldn't get them trained? Using a crate would resolve many of those issues.
 
2013-03-31 12:53:56 PM  
I'm glad to see I'm not the only person who was disgusted by this story.  I feel really bad for the kid and of course I would expect a parent to do whatever was necessary to protect his child, but the whole situation smacks of wrongness.

Crate training and confinement are common and often very useful parts of training and keeping certain dogs, however if a dog is crated and crate trained properly, he should not be lashing out at people who come near the cage.  I suspect this animal was either confined because of issues the owner knew about (and probably encouraged.  I'm with the people who suspect dog-fighting) and if this was the case, a small child shouldn't have been anywhere near it.

The father left his kid with a crated and likely unsafe dog, and who knows what the kid may have also done when unsupervised to provoke it then the father took the dog out of the crate  and shot it "multiple times" (which sounds like a pretty horrible death) and then sat on the presumably blood drenched floor to cut a the finger out of the dog's stomach.

You don't go from "happy loving family with emotionally stable members and a normal well-behaved dog to that kind of nightmare in one bound.  I feel pretty confident that this man should not have pets or children in his care.
 
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