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2013-03-29 10:47:45 PM

Deep Contact: safetycap: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Deep Contact: Wonder what this diversion is for?

New boogy man needed.
Seal team 6 members keep dieing.
Economic meltdown coming soon.
Increased defense spending.
Distraction from expensive vacations of president and vice president.
Billions of rounds for Homeland Security. Enough to kill us 5 times.

Do you like, inject the kool aid or smoke it?

It has got to be via an enema. That is the only way the oil could be hitting the anus that quickly.


[i651.photobucket.com image 631x355]


The South Korean government believes that North Korea may have as much as $6 trillion USD in rare earth elements.
Make it look good.


Right, got you down for injection.
 
2013-03-29 10:52:49 PM
sorry 4-6 Kt. although I could argue largest yield they have achieved of 6-40 kt, but even so...thats not really big.  not when detonated very far from the coast.  maybe launch some nerve gas weapons instead.  probably freak us out more.

The Mig comment though...NO Mig-15s are listed in their military at the moment.  150+ Mig-21's, 56 Mig-23's, and 35 Mig-29's.  Not a ton of migs...and the Mig-21's are comparable to a F-4, the thing is...if theyre in the air, and the target planes are on the ground, they still win even against F-22's.  And thats the nature of the all out assault.  its the ONLY chance they have.  Cause once the South gets anything in the air they will dominate it with what we consider old equipment like the f-15 and f-16.  And once we join in nothing North Korean will fly for long.

Total all out assault in a surprise attack is the only time North korea will control the air.
 
2013-03-29 10:57:21 PM

Greywar: sorry 4-6 Kt. although I could argue largest yield they have achieved of 6-40 kt, but even so...thats not really big.  not when detonated very far from the coast.  maybe launch some nerve gas weapons instead.  probably freak us out more.

The Mig comment though...NO Mig-15s are listed in their military at the moment.  150+ Mig-21's, 56 Mig-23's, and 35 Mig-29's.  Not a ton of migs...and the Mig-21's are comparable to a F-4, the thing is...if theyre in the air, and the target planes are on the ground, they still win even against F-22's.  And thats the nature of the all out assault.  its the ONLY chance they have.  Cause once the South gets anything in the air they will dominate it with what we consider old equipment like the f-15 and f-16.  And once we join in nothing North Korean will fly for long.

Total all out assault in a surprise attack is the only time North korea will control the air.


He's kind of farking up the whole "surprise" part.
 
2013-03-29 11:00:05 PM

CaptSacto: The Stealth Hippopotamus: sendtodave: Read somewhere that Un knows how his country is farked, but he can't do a damn thing about it, so the most viable solution is for him to lose a "war" and accept favorable terms.

Iunno, seems nuts, but an interesting take.

There was a joke in Lithuania in 91 after they got their independence the joke was that the first thing they should do was declare war with the United States. True we would bomb them for a few days but after that we would pay to fix everything!

Yeah... but this time there'd be a lot less to fix.
At least things we broke.


That's the joke. I didn't think it was funny but they sure do
 
2013-03-29 11:00:16 PM

Greywar: sorry 4-6 Kt. although I could argue largest yield they have achieved of 6-40 kt, but even so...thats not really big.  not when detonated very far from the coast.  maybe launch some nerve gas weapons instead.  probably freak us out more.

The Mig comment though...NO Mig-15s are listed in their military at the moment.  150+ Mig-21's, 56 Mig-23's, and 35 Mig-29's.  Not a ton of migs...and the Mig-21's are comparable to a F-4, the thing is...if theyre in the air, and the target planes are on the ground, they still win even against F-22's.  And thats the nature of the all out assault.  its the ONLY chance they have.  Cause once the South gets anything in the air they will dominate it with what we consider old equipment like the f-15 and f-16.  And once we join in nothing North Korean will fly for long.

Total all out assault in a surprise attack is the only time North korea will control the air.


A Patriot B3 missile battery will ruin their whole day.
 
2013-03-29 11:00:35 PM

Greywar: sorry 4-6 Kt. although I could argue largest yield they have achieved of 6-40 kt, but even so...thats not really big.  not when detonated very far from the coast.  maybe launch some nerve gas weapons instead.  probably freak us out more.

The Mig comment though...NO Mig-15s are listed in their military at the moment.  150+ Mig-21's, 56 Mig-23's, and 35 Mig-29's.  Not a ton of migs...and the Mig-21's are comparable to a F-4, the thing is...if theyre in the air, and the target planes are on the ground, they still win even against F-22's.  And thats the nature of the all out assault.  its the ONLY chance they have.  Cause once the South gets anything in the air they will dominate it with what we consider old equipment like the f-15 and f-16.  And once we join in nothing North Korean will fly for long.

Total all out assault in a surprise attack is the only time North korea will control the air.


How many satellites do you think we have constantly monitoring all North Korean air fields? I'm pretty sure if they launch more aircraft than a normal day, we immediately get some shiat in the air just in case.
 
2013-03-29 11:02:12 PM
I can't take a culture with such silly hair cuts that seriously
 
2013-03-29 11:05:17 PM
Considering the number of satellites and listening posts, long range scanners, seismographic equipment, overhead fly overs, heat sensors and actual human intelligence sources that the US has within reach of NK, he'd be lucky if he could fart without them knowing about it.

No other country in the world is as closely watched as NK is watched.
 
2013-03-29 11:05:28 PM
vygramul:
When I refer to "they" I mean the leadership. The poor sods who are the average Joes are less informed than Fox viewers.

fair enough, but the leadership almost never suffers more than the innocent

it only takes one insane leader (hirohito, hitler...) to lead a country to destruction.
 
2013-03-29 11:09:46 PM
We won't know if they're serious or not until they actually do something... It's like the meaning of words don't really mean shiat to them, talk talk talk, let's see you walk, biatch!
 
2013-03-29 11:11:15 PM
North Korea just messed with Texas.

They don't realize that there is one State you don't mess with, it's Texas.

Full out war by Monday at this rate.

Sad.
 
2013-03-29 11:12:36 PM
"That's right, biatches - my big brudder's about to teach you some MANNERS. Nobody steals Mushy Snugglebites' badonkadonk and lives!"   Tiny Tina
 
2013-03-29 11:16:43 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Deep Contact: safetycap: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Deep Contact: Wonder what this diversion is for?

New boogy man needed.
Seal team 6 members keep dieing.
Economic meltdown coming soon.
Increased defense spending.
Distraction from expensive vacations of president and vice president.
Billions of rounds for Homeland Security. Enough to kill us 5 times.

Do you like, inject the kool aid or smoke it?

It has got to be via an enema. That is the only way the oil could be hitting the anus that quickly.


[i651.photobucket.com image 631x355]


The South Korean government believes that North Korea may have as much as $6 trillion USD in rare earth elements.
Make it look good.

Right, got you down for injection.


i651.photobucket.com

Ice Cream, Lt. Dan!
 
2013-03-29 11:18:10 PM
Yeah, this is bullshiat.

Lil'Kim:  This is it!  I gonna do it!
Nobody:  Well, go ahead.
Lil'Kim:  I mean it!
Nobody: Okay.
Lil'Kim:  I've had all I'm gonna take now!
Nobody: Look, we just flew a B2 bomber up your front door, go for it.
Lil'Kim:  That's it, it is soooo on !!!
Nobody: Well?
Lil'Kim:  OMG it's ON NOW,,!!

whatculture.com
"If you have to shoot, shoot.  Don't talk."
 
2013-03-29 11:20:00 PM
See thats the thing, they've threatened so much, its like the nation that cried wolf.  Come on, lets be honest...even if you heard they launched all their aircraft, you'd say "Oh please, who are they kidding with that?"

and yeah the patriots would eat them alive, but even so...the aircraft are useless after the first assault anyways.  throw them all in, see what lives.  this isn't a war where you expect to have a lot living at the end of it.  This is a all out blitz.

impressive number while looking some of the details up...we have 1,106 patriot launchers, with over 10,000 missile manufactured.  Thats some impressive stuff.  And from a fighter pilots view those things are dangerous.
 
2013-03-29 11:21:16 PM

KellyX: We won't know if they're serious or not until they actually do something... It's like the meaning of words don't really mean shiat to them, talk talk talk, let's see you walk, biatch!


We'll know if they're serious long before they do anything.  You just don't 'flip' a switch from peacetime to wartime.  It takes a lot of prep time to get your people ready and positioned, your vehicles fueled and positioned..

And, as I said, no country is more closely watched than NK.  When they move their tanks and APCs into position, fueled up and stuffed full of NK soldiers and the seismograph machines are going nuts, then you can freak out.
 
2013-03-29 11:24:37 PM

Infernalist: It takes a lot of prep time to get your people ready and positioned, your vehicles fueled and positioned..


In Korea, that prep time is 4 hours.

It is a whole nother world being in a country still officially on a war time footing.
 
2013-03-29 11:24:59 PM

Mock26: Hey Limp Dick, you do not have the farking balls to attack South Korea and the American troops stationed there. You are just a scared little boy. So go ahead and posture all you want, because the rest of the world laughs at your idiotic, pathetic displays. And, more importantly, they laugh at you. In fact, here is a picture I made a while back, one where I am completely mocking you!


Im startitng to wounder if mabey just mabey that chubby little twat reads fark. I mean he sure seems pissed off.
Is it possible were the ones behind it all?
 
2013-03-29 11:26:54 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Mock26: Hey Limp Dick, you do not have the farking balls to attack South Korea and the American troops stationed there. You are just a scared little boy. So go ahead and posture all you want, because the rest of the world laughs at your idiotic, pathetic displays. And, more importantly, they laugh at you. In fact, here is a picture I made a while back, one where I am completely mocking you!

Im startitng to wounder if mabey just mabey that chubby little twat reads fark. I mean he sure seems pissed off.
Is it possible were the ones behind it all?


Only one way to find out...

TIME STAMP WITH SHOE ON HEAD, FATTY
 
2013-03-29 11:28:58 PM
GAHH! There it is again. A major news source feels the need to point out that a strategic bomber used in an exercise is "nuclear capable" despite the fact that they almost certainly weren't carrying nuclear weapons or even set up to carry nuclear weapons. fark, an f-18 can carry nuclear weapons. Are we going to have to comment on it every time an f-18 leaves the ground just to make sure we're doing everything possible to make a bad situation worse.
 
2013-03-29 11:30:40 PM

ClintonKun: I couldn't help but laugh at this image on North Korea's Flickr.

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 640x426]


I guess you could say that they are... sliding... toward war.
 
2013-03-29 11:33:12 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-29 11:34:39 PM
My guess is that NK will release a statement saying something to the effect of "The US and South Korea have ceased their hostilities due to our mightiness" and then go back to being weirdo's as usual.

It's scary to think that the populace an ENTIRE FARKING COUNTRY can be brainwashed into believing shiat like that.
 
2013-03-29 11:34:40 PM
We clearly demonstrated we could level them from here if we really wanted to.  It'd take all of... well let's see, 47 minutes until the end of North Korea as we know it.
 
2013-03-29 11:35:09 PM
This just seems gone dildos crazy.

I'm mostly a Western Europe with a little bit South American politics type, so pretty much lost regarding Best Korea and kin.  But Li'l Kim is the third one of the family in charge after dad and grandpa, yes?

Could a general be twitching, thinking he isn't getting any younger, so lets get this goober out of office by feeding him a line that rattling the saber will make us Yankee Imperialists give them some more food/money?  In this case, escalating it to the aforementioned crazy level, because, well, the U.S. has to give us stuff now that we have nukes and super missiles to take out Austin.

Feed Kim the right disinformation, and he'd likely buy it, nu?  Fire some rounds across the DMZ, get a NK village razed and maybe a few artillery positions taken out.  Speak out publicly that you realize that Kim has gone insane, execute him thanks to some well placed cronies, take the head of state position, humbly pay reparations and accept humanitarian aid, and live happily ever after in charge.

I realize I have no cultural insight other than what I grok of human nature, but this seems to be escalating too quickly and linearly.  Anyone care to point out what mistakes in interpretation I might be making?
 
2013-03-29 11:35:10 PM

Silverstaff: Gyrfalcon: Now, if you want to be paranoid, consider this: China's recent hacking attempts have been to steal industrial secrets and commercial patents, which is costly but ultimately useless, since they can always reverse-engineer any patented items. But what if those hacks were not to steal patents and IP, but merely diversions to plant invisible Stuxnet-style viruses, which are now lying dormant inside the corporate servers? They'd be waiting for a certain date in the future, or for a specific number of sales, phone calls, etc., to activate and execute---or maybe just open a backdoor to allow another stealth virus into the system.

Problem with that theory.  You're assuming that those servers wouldn't be replaced/updated/upgraded in such a fashion that any rootkit or logic bomb is removed between now and then.

Stuxnet was so powerful because it targeted extremely specific hardware that the Iranian nuclear program could not function without, and could not be easily replaced.  Random corporate servers are more likely to be replaced.

The Chinese attacks were more likely a testing of defenses and scouting run, and attempting to gain relatively low-clearance material from defense contractors that is not publicly disclosed.


But it's not an impossible scenario. And more to the point, it's not one that the average person--or the average spook--is likely to think of. If, as you say, it was a scouting run, they now know such an attack is possible, and if a backdoor run were to be attempted, then a rootkit could be in place to get access to a more specific target.

Mao refined Sun Tzu's theory to say "Make an uproar in the East and attack in the West", so why not? Attack the corporate moneymen who will freak out the loudest, and sneak into the defense networks while nobody is paying attention. It's what I'd do.
 
2013-03-29 11:35:13 PM

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: North Korea just messed with Texas.

They don't realize that there is one State you don't mess with, it's Texas.

Full out war by Monday at this rate.

Sad.


Do you think they'll send in a Texas Ranger? One war, one Ranger.
 
2013-03-29 11:35:15 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Don't blink.


i172.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-29 11:35:59 PM
What if he picked those three US cities based upon specific people on Fark whom he hated?
 
2013-03-29 11:37:21 PM
media.animevice.com
 
2013-03-29 11:37:32 PM
I'm sure he has a Fark account and is getting a kick out of these replBOOOOOMMMMM!!!!
 
2013-03-29 11:38:39 PM

Civil_War2_Time: doyner: Silverstaff: doyner: So where are all the war-eager Neocons in all of this?

Oh, right.  Israel couldn't care less so neither could they.

Well, that and the fact there isn't a whole lot of oil in the Korean peninsula.

Oil is just a side effect--the Neocons care ONLY about waging Israel's wars for them.  And yes, I have studied it out.

Have you really studied it out?

Neocons hate liberals, and almost every Jew in DC is a very liberal Democrat. So, what you're saying is that they are actually on the same team?

Mind. Blown.


Yes he has studied it out. The Neo-Cons are fighting Israel's wars because a few of them believe that it will make Jesus come back quicker, the rest are hoping to make a buck off the military spending from the fighting.
 
2013-03-29 11:39:42 PM
Said it two weeks ago, I'll say it again: Red Korea needs food badly.

Sad thing is, this time around Kim Jr. there seems to have no idea when to quit and sit down at the bargaining table for hush money/food, or he has too much to prove to the KPA military establishment/himself. Jong-il knew exactly how much saber-rattling was necessary to satiate egos, and bring home the bacon; Jong-un doesn't seem to have the faith, experience, or know-how, and that's dangerous especially after the 1-2 (depending on who you ask/trust) assassination attempts. I still fully expect him to finally end up assassinated, and we end up with some old fart, on his last leg, who at least knows how to play the diplomatic game for a year or two before  he knocks off and the shiat hits the fan among the next generation of North Korean military leaders.
 
2013-03-29 11:42:08 PM
Update:
North korea has convened a meeting of the central committee of the Korean Worker's Party to decide a "crucial" matter.

My actual real life guess? Probably going "wth, this is getting a bit scary..how should we deal with this to our best benefit?  What can we do to fix our economy, and food situation, while still appearing dangerous enough that no one gets froggy?".

But lets go paranoid for fun.  its more entertaining.

The central committee is signing off on the attack plan, and is just now learning about the subs off of our coast.  Members of the military are standing by outside in case the committee doesn't decide the right way.
 
2013-03-29 11:43:05 PM

BarkingUnicorn: schoolbread: hmmm, anyone think this is legit?

"The Kaesong Industrial Complex, located just across the northern side of the border, is staffed by South and North Koreans. It can't function without Pyongyang's daily okay. If the North suddenly shuts down Kaesong at some point, watch out. But as long as it's still running, as it has been throughout the provocations and tensions of the last few weeks, we can probably -  probably - assume that North Korea is not actually planning to launch a war."


That is the key.
 
2013-03-29 11:44:16 PM
Also, they're on to me, and are sending north Korean assassins to my home in Hillsboro, OR.

Odd...just as I typed that someone knocked....I will let the least favorite step son get that.....
 
2013-03-29 11:47:07 PM
fark this fat biatch Un, I say we bomb the North into the early Paleolithic. Then we send in teams with HAZMAT suits to retrieve every last eyeball, hunk of flesh, and tuft of hair from that place, pack it into a shipping container, and lob that sonofabiatch straight into Iran with a message scrawled on the side:

Eat Pussy
 
2013-03-29 11:48:58 PM
Send a few containers full of fire ants as a little cultural present for best leader.
 
2013-03-29 11:49:01 PM

Greywar: Also, they're on to me, and are sending north Korean assassins to my home in Hillsboro, OR.

Odd...just as I typed that someone knocked....I will let the least favorite step son get that.....


Greywar Jong Dos?
 
2013-03-29 11:50:21 PM
Huh, new fun fact:  When N. Korea first started plutonium, President Clinton planned a strike to stop it, despite an estimated 1 million casualties, and 1 trillion in economic damage, according to the S. Korean president at the time the only reason he did not do so was due to the S. Korean presidents requests. And that otherwise Clinton would have gone forward with the attack.
 
2013-03-29 11:54:36 PM

Greywar: Also, they're on to me, and are sending north Korean assassins to my home in Hillsboro, OR.

Odd...just as I typed that someone knocked....I will let the least favorite step son get that.....


Willie: Why do I have to do all the dirty jobs?

Inspector Wang: Because your mother not here to do it.
 
2013-03-29 11:56:24 PM

WeenerGord: simrobert2001: SO, how long do you think the war would actually last?  A few minutes?

An hour and a half.


Tom Lehrer Reference? +1 internets to you.
 
2013-03-30 12:00:14 AM

that bosnian sniper: Said it two weeks ago, I'll say it again: Red Korea needs food badly.

Sad thing is, this time around Kim Jr. there seems to have no idea when to quit and sit down at the bargaining table for hush money/food, or he has too much to prove to the KPA military establishment/himself. Jong-il knew exactly how much saber-rattling was necessary to satiate egos, and bring home the bacon; Jong-un doesn't seem to have the faith, experience, or know-how, and that's dangerous especially after the 1-2 (depending on who you ask/trust) assassination attempts. I still fully expect him to finally end up assassinated, and we end up with some old fart, on his last leg, who at least knows how to play the diplomatic game for a year or two before  he knocks off and the shiat hits the fan among the next generation of North Korean military leaders.


There were assassination attempts? I always thought that they tried to kill his dad in his train with that big explosion that leveled a city, but I didn't know anything about attempts on Un. Or Un-attempts if you will.
 
2013-03-30 12:02:58 AM

Mrtraveler01: Kanemano: Mrtraveler01: Oldiron_79: Well they listed Austin, TX in thier top 5 targets, so apparantly lil Kim hates hipsters.

Is there a citation/list for this? I would love to see what his other "targets" are.

The usual east coast cities, plus that damn Austin.
[i.telegraph.co.uk image 625x389]

Someone's Samsung TV must be on the fritz.

/That or they hate the Longhorns...and who doesn't


I bet that North Korea is the one place that has actually come to an agreement to show the Longhorn network, and they are angry that Austin hasn't followed suit
 
2013-03-30 12:03:10 AM
That's, like, the fourth time this year?
 
2013-03-30 12:04:35 AM

BarkingUnicorn: schoolbread: hmmm, anyone think this is legit?

"The Kaesong Industrial Complex, located just across the northern side of the border, is staffed by South and North Koreans. It can't function without Pyongyang's daily okay. If the North suddenly shuts down Kaesong at some point, watch out. But as long as it's still running, as it has been throughout the provocations and tensions of the last few weeks, we can probably -  probably - assume that North Korea is not actually planning to launch a war."


So if the Norks have the sense to pour piss out of a boot they'll leave Kaesong open on the day they pop off and take all the worst Korean workers there POW that day. I don't think we'll see the war heat up again but if Kaesong is your security blanket it's a little flimsy.
 
2013-03-30 12:05:33 AM

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: North Korea just messed with Texas.

They don't realize that there is one State you don't mess with, it's Texas.

Full out war by Monday at this rate.

Sad.


What, did they litter?
 
2013-03-30 12:05:38 AM
That's a great pic of the NK's Nazi salute.
 
2013-03-30 12:10:00 AM
To understand what's happening now, you have to look at the history of the place. Most people here seem to pass bad information around, sadly.
The 13th century is described as North Korea's Golden Age, with peace and increase in trade, especially with the British Islands, although Germany became increasingly important towards the end of the century.

Throughout the High Middle Ages the king established North Korea as a state with a central administration with local representatives. In 1349 the Black Death spread to North Korea and had within a year killed a third of the population. Later plagues reduced the population to half the starting point by 1400. Many communities were entire wiped out, resulting in an abundance of land, allowing farmers to switch to more animal husbandry. The reduction in taxes weakened the king's position, and many aristocrats lost the basis for their surplus, reducing some to mere farmers. High tithes to church made it increasingly powerful and the archbishop became a member of the Council of State.

The Ranseatic League took control over North Korean trade during the 14th century and established a trading center in Seoul (then known as "Republic Of Seoul" or R-Seoul in the literal translation). In 1380 King Ving inherited both the North Korean and South Korean thrones, creating a union between the two countries which lasted all the way up until the 2nd major rectification, or the third season. In 1397, under Rarget I, the Rakim Union was created between the three countries and Eric B IV. She waged war against the people of Istabbul, due to a tragic misunderstanding of a smudged letter, resulting in a trade blockade and higher taxation on North Korean's (and by this time, North Korea was known as "New Oldland", which resulted in a rebellion. However, the North Korean Council of State was too weak to pull out of the union at that time, or at least that is what it claimed shortly afterwards.
 
All this lead to increased and sustained tensions between New Oldland, Turkey, South Korea (then known as "New OldNewLand") and for some reason, Iceland. The situation we see today is a direct result of choices made R-Seoul, which was then known as the capital of New OldNewLand and called "ErianBnoVille" (direct translation of the original New OldNewLandian word).
 
2013-03-30 12:10:10 AM

Greywar: Least...thats how I would do it if I was a crazy dictator who thought my only hope to survive was to go to war.  Probably end up dead, but hey-no one would ever forget my name.


And... cui bono?

Even if the latest Kim or whoever is absolutely, suicidally, off his nuts insane?  Where's the slightest bit of upside for any of the hundreds of underlings who would have to follow through to implement the certain-death plan?  There's no way any of that gameplan, theoretically possible as it may be, translates in the least to any "hope to survive".

Meanwhile, selling the whole thing out for a bug-out in Switzerland or Macau and $5-10 million in cash?  That's a hope to survive.  Status quo?  Shouldn't logically be able to last young Kim's lifetime, but it shouldn't logically have lasted for the length of his grandpa's lifetime either, yet it did.  That's at least some hope to survive.
 
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