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2013-03-29 09:28:21 PM

WTF Indeed: They just clarified by saying it's neither peace nor war. So exactly the same as the last 50 years.


No, TFA said that IS over as in kaput, finito, enough, done, zippo, outta here, etc...

They've ratcheted up their rhetoric pretty good this time. I wonder when that ratchet will run out of teeth and it will be put up or shut up. I'm betting Lil` Kim will continue running his mouth and back down eventually.
 
2013-03-29 09:29:00 PM

Corvus: [static1.businessinsider.com image 850x637] Yeah the US is so awful and behind Best Korea, that's why you have an iMac on your desk!

Actually that's pretty fat for an iMac maybe it's a Chinese knock off.


It'd work better if he plugged it in to the internet, but I'm sure the 2400 baud is kinda annoying.
 
2013-03-29 09:30:30 PM

kronicfeld: Can Nick Saban be their first target?


Hey now.
 
2013-03-29 09:31:26 PM
Why does every news agency keeping say "nuclear capable" B-2s as though this is some sort of escalation in the threat?  We already have "nuclear capable" aircraft in the area and about a million land and sea-based ICBMs that could hit NK.
 
2013-03-29 09:31:26 PM
Strange. They been at a state of war since the 40s, considering it never ended.
 
2013-03-29 09:31:36 PM
Actually here is my prediction.  They're going to go a bit further.  They WILL execute a military strike and try to kill a few people.  Maybe sink a ship like last time.  Not enough to kick off a war, but enough that they can try and force people to take them to the negotiating table.

From there..who knows.  This is the sort of thing that can get DRASTICALLY out of hand.  so it could stop there, go for the retaliation strike and stop, OR...they get nailed to the wall bad.

If they actually launch on a united states city such as Honolulu....that would be a truly truly bad idea.  Seriously bad idea, and they may not realize how bad of an idea, thinking it would be something along the line of sinking the south Korean ship like they did a couple years ago.

So my bet...60% they try and escalate just a tiny bit (ie shoot up a patrol boat level, or fire some artilary on South Korean military forces on the border) to try and go to the table and negotiate from what they will think is a position of strength, 40% it all quiets down and is nothing.

Now for REAL fun..and paranoia....

What if China has secretly provided them with some state of the art weapons, and Korea uses those to launch accurate attacks on a US mainland city?  Good way for China to see what our defenses are really like, and then China can step in and try and negotiate it down, with the hint that they will step in and defend Korea again?  Maybe just with their navy?  This way lies madness....but the paranoid part of me wonders...what if?
 
2013-03-29 09:34:46 PM

Mrtraveler01: Rhino_man: Bisu: Kanemano: Mrtraveler01: Oldiron_79: Well they listed Austin, TX in thier top 5 targets, so apparantly lil Kim hates hipsters.

Is there a citation/list for this? I would love to see what his other "targets" are.

The usual east coast cities, plus that damn Austin.
[i.telegraph.co.uk image 625x389]

Ok for the second time in two threads, that arrow probably doesn't end in Austin. You CANNOT SEE the end of it because the guy's HAT IS IN THE WAY.  All the other arrows end in an arrow head. That one has the arrow head blocked, so it must be somewhere BEYOND MID TEXAS.

/hopefully CAPS and bold will help this time.
//and yes, they aren't actual trajectories, just arrows from NK to US cities

Looks like Miami, maybe?

Seems like the line is too far North to be Miami.

Meanwhile the internets are having fun with the Austin choice.

http://unaustin.tumblr.com/


Disney World?
 
2013-03-29 09:34:59 PM
As near as I can tell, it just seems as if Un is doing his best to be aggressive enough to satiate the military class.  I can see no other reason for this lunacy.

He has to know that him and ruling class companions are going to end up hung, castrated or castrated and then hung.  And shot.  If, you know, war actually breaks out for real.

And how 'real' is this?  Are there NK divisions on the border?
 
2013-03-29 09:35:12 PM

fat boy: Ima10urin8: The fat boy is shooting asimuth angles for his cannonball artillery to hit drones

So, I'm doing what?


You are having way too much fun with these threads today :)
 
2013-03-29 09:35:49 PM

Greywar: What if China has secretly provided them with some state of the art weapons, and Korea uses those to launch accurate attacks on a US mainland city? Good way for China to see what our defenses are really like, and then China can step in and try and negotiate it down, with the hint that they will step in and defend Korea again? Maybe just with their navy? This way lies madness....but the paranoid part of me wonders...what if?


I don't think China would back North Korea on this. They've been giving them stern warnings for quite a while now and their tolerance of NK's douchebaggery is running pretty low.

China realizes that they need countries like China, South Korea and the United States to keep their economy humming (while it still can) so I'm just waiting for the moment China finally biatchslaps North Korea.
 
2013-03-29 09:36:32 PM
I am willing to help defend our neighbors below the Mason-Dixon Line. Even the ones who make disparaging remarks about people they've never met ('Yankees') in places they've never been (NYC etcetera).
 
2013-03-29 09:36:40 PM

Infernalist: As near as I can tell, it just seems as if Un is doing his best to be aggressive enough to satiate the military class.  I can see no other reason for this lunacy.

He has to know that him and ruling class companions are going to end up hung, castrated or castrated and then hung.  And shot.  If, you know, war actually breaks out for real.

And how 'real' is this?  Are there NK divisions on the border?


Un was actually exposed to the West when he was younger.  He has to know that "we" have vastly superior resources and can squash them.  Sure, millions of people will die in the process, but Best Korea would be absolutely obliterated.
 
2013-03-29 09:37:03 PM
Anyone have any recommended reading on the subject? I'd like to get caught up before either North or South  Korea goes up in a mushroom cloud.
 
2013-03-29 09:38:00 PM

Hagbardr: Mrtraveler01: Rhino_man: Bisu: Kanemano: Mrtraveler01: Oldiron_79: Well they listed Austin, TX in thier top 5 targets, so apparantly lil Kim hates hipsters.

Is there a citation/list for this? I would love to see what his other "targets" are.

The usual east coast cities, plus that damn Austin.
[i.telegraph.co.uk image 625x389]

Ok for the second time in two threads, that arrow probably doesn't end in Austin. You CANNOT SEE the end of it because the guy's HAT IS IN THE WAY.  All the other arrows end in an arrow head. That one has the arrow head blocked, so it must be somewhere BEYOND MID TEXAS.

/hopefully CAPS and bold will help this time.
//and yes, they aren't actual trajectories, just arrows from NK to US cities

Looks like Miami, maybe?

Seems like the line is too far North to be Miami.

Meanwhile the internets are having fun with the Austin choice.

http://unaustin.tumblr.com/

Disney World?


Damn it! I was going to go to Florida on vacation in a couple of months.

(still seems like the line is too far north of Disney, could be wrong though)
 
2013-03-29 09:41:07 PM

mekki: [www.abc.net.au image 700x467]

How come for military men that have been in the service for decades, all of them have such bad posture? They look like they should be sitting in the park playing two suited Mahjong rather than discussing military strategies.


Who cares about that.  I want to know if there hats double as rice bowls.
 
2013-03-29 09:41:56 PM

Gawdzila: You don't know sh*t; not everyone is as blindly partisan as you.


I am not a partisan, and you need to take it down a notch. I'm not a member of any political party, and I find people who are to be the dumbest motherfu**ers imaginable. Party leaders are taking hundreds of millions in corporate payouts, yet just normal people doing their thing support them? It's fu**ing nuts.

Gawdzila: Obama took plenty of criticism from the left for simply not ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan quickly enough


No he hasn't. Obama promised to have us out of *both* wars within 6 months of his *first* term. That didn't happen. We are still in *both* countries to this very day, despite what they want to say, and our guys are still getting killed.

Gawdzila: If he does I will loudly berate him for it, but he won't.


No you won't. You'll shut your f**king mouth and do as you're told, just like you always have.

change.jpg
 
2013-03-29 09:42:24 PM
I know it has no relevance to the conversation, but all this N. Korea jibber jabber suddenly has me hungry for some good Pho.

Whatsupwiththat?
 
2013-03-29 09:43:27 PM

Mrtraveler01: http://unaustin.tumblr.com/


These are farking awesome.
 
2013-03-29 09:43:52 PM

FinFangFark: I know it has no relevance to the conversation, but all this N. Korea jibber jabber suddenly has me hungry for some good Pho.

Whatsupwiththat?


That is odd since Pho isn't even a Korean dish.
 
2013-03-29 09:44:13 PM

Greywar: Actually here is my prediction.  They're going to go a bit further.  They WILL execute a military strike and try to kill a few people.  Maybe sink a ship like last time.  Not enough to kick off a war, but enough that they can try and force people to take them to the negotiating table.

From there..who knows.  This is the sort of thing that can get DRASTICALLY out of hand.  so it could stop there, go for the retaliation strike and stop, OR...they get nailed to the wall bad.

If they actually launch on a united states city such as Honolulu....that would be a truly truly bad idea.  Seriously bad idea, and they may not realize how bad of an idea, thinking it would be something along the line of sinking the south Korean ship like they did a couple years ago.

So my bet...60% they try and escalate just a tiny bit (ie shoot up a patrol boat level, or fire some artilary on South Korean military forces on the border) to try and go to the table and negotiate from what they will think is a position of strength, 40% it all quiets down and is nothing.

Now for REAL fun..and paranoia....

What if China has secretly provided them with some state of the art weapons, and Korea uses those to launch accurate attacks on a US mainland city?  Good way for China to see what our defenses are really like, and then China can step in and try and negotiate it down, with the hint that they will step in and defend Korea again?  Maybe just with their navy?  This way lies madness....but the paranoid part of me wonders...what if?


China has already indicated they don't want Best Korea to start any kind of war, and they've told Lil' Kim to STFU and stand down already, more than once. They are not interested in a shooting war right now. And if they have any "state of the art" weapons, they are so supersecret that nobody in the world knows about them, because the most paranoid freaks out there have not been even thinking about them yet. China has nothing to gain by testing our defenses that way--our military is pretty much out in the open and how we'd respond to a strike on a US mainland city by a genuine military threat is not open to question: It would be with nukes.

Now, if you want to be paranoid, consider this: China's recent hacking attempts have been to steal industrial secrets and commercial patents, which is costly but ultimately useless, since they can always reverse-engineer any patented items. But what if those hacks were not to steal patents and IP, but merely diversions to plant invisible Stuxnet-style viruses, which are now lying dormant inside the corporate servers? They'd be waiting for a certain date in the future, or for a specific number of sales, phone calls, etc., to activate and execute---or maybe just open a backdoor to allow another stealth virus into the system.

Farfetched, perhaps, but two key precepts from Chinese military strategist Sun Tzu are: All warfare is based on deception; and use a diversionary attack to distract your enemy and a direct attack to win. So while we were looking at hacks that were stealing our precious bodily fluids, er, our precious industrial patents, they could have slipped a war virus in behind our backs. Not impossible.
 
2013-03-29 09:44:23 PM

Mrtraveler01: FinFangFark: I know it has no relevance to the conversation, but all this N. Korea jibber jabber suddenly has me hungry for some good Pho.

Whatsupwiththat?

That is odd since Pho isn't even a Korean dish.


I know that...that's why I found it so odd.
 
2013-03-29 09:44:59 PM

Ima10urin8: someone give Un a shot of cancer Chavez please

 
2013-03-29 09:45:52 PM

Baumli: Corvus: [static1.businessinsider.com image 850x637] Yeah the US is so awful and behind Best Korea, that's why you have an iMac on your desk!

Actually that's pretty fat for an iMac maybe it's a Chinese knock off.

Considering they're made in china..... not likely a 'knock off'.


Crone?
 
2013-03-29 09:47:41 PM

FinFangFark: Mrtraveler01: FinFangFark: I know it has no relevance to the conversation, but all this N. Korea jibber jabber suddenly has me hungry for some good Pho.

Whatsupwiththat?

That is odd since Pho isn't even a Korean dish.

I know that...that's why I found it so odd.


Were you watching a documentary on the Vietnam War by any chance?
 
2013-03-29 09:48:05 PM
i172.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-29 09:48:50 PM

Rhino_man: Bisu: Kanemano: Mrtraveler01: Oldiron_79: Well they listed Austin, TX in thier top 5 targets, so apparantly lil Kim hates hipsters.

Is there a citation/list for this? I would love to see what his other "targets" are.

The usual east coast cities, plus that damn Austin.
[i.telegraph.co.uk image 625x389]

Ok for the second time in two threads, that arrow probably doesn't end in Austin. You CANNOT SEE the end of it because the guy's HAT IS IN THE WAY.  All the other arrows end in an arrow head. That one has the arrow head blocked, so it must be somewhere BEYOND MID TEXAS.

/hopefully CAPS and bold will help this time.
//and yes, they aren't actual trajectories, just arrows from NK to US cities

Looks like Miami, maybe?


img211.imagevenue.com

Actually it looks like it has to be Dallas. Too far north to be Miami, and too south to be Atlanta. Of course, my overlay ended up putting the alleged LA arrow over San Diego as well, so I could be using a differently proportioned/curved map than them.
 
2013-03-29 09:50:51 PM
I know this one!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-29 09:51:10 PM

A Terrible Human: Jon iz teh kewl: i think the Koreas should take over and make our work week 6 days instead of 5.  then make it one more every year
till 2059 when they bomb the world
and we all die of radiation poisoning!

democracy!!

Captain Tuttle agrees


I just had lunch with him the other day.
 
2013-03-29 09:52:54 PM

FinFangFark: Mrtraveler01: FinFangFark: I know it has no relevance to the conversation, but all this N. Korea jibber jabber suddenly has me hungry for some good Pho.

Whatsupwiththat?

That is odd since Pho isn't even a Korean dish.

I know that...that's why I found it so odd.


Well if you drop by Austin might I suggest......
Some pretty decent Pho, better hurry before it disappears in a flash of light.
 
2013-03-29 09:53:27 PM
Some assholes just need dying.  This Un dood, he needs dying.
 
2013-03-29 09:54:12 PM

Bisu: Rhino_man: Bisu: Kanemano: Mrtraveler01: Oldiron_79: Well they listed Austin, TX in thier top 5 targets, so apparantly lil Kim hates hipsters.

Is there a citation/list for this? I would love to see what his other "targets" are.

The usual east coast cities, plus that damn Austin.
[i.telegraph.co.uk image 625x389]

Ok for the second time in two threads, that arrow probably doesn't end in Austin. You CANNOT SEE the end of it because the guy's HAT IS IN THE WAY.  All the other arrows end in an arrow head. That one has the arrow head blocked, so it must be somewhere BEYOND MID TEXAS.

/hopefully CAPS and bold will help this time.
//and yes, they aren't actual trajectories, just arrows from NK to US cities

Looks like Miami, maybe?

[img211.imagevenue.com image 800x455]

Actually it looks like it has to be Dallas. Too far north to be Miami, and too south to be Atlanta. Of course, my overlay ended up putting the alleged LA arrow over San Diego as well, so I could be using a differently proportioned/curved map than them.


Imagevenue apparently uses some sort of dynamic image address witchcraft on their images now, so I guess I'll just link.

img211.imagevenue.com
 
2013-03-29 09:54:58 PM

MrEricSir: Couldn't South Korea just have Samsung build 100 million robot spiders that crawl all over North Korea, systematically dismantling their weapons?


Only if they add the feature where the robo-spiders play the same irritating little jingle that our new Samsung washer, dryer, and dishwasher all make when they complete a task.
 
2013-03-29 09:55:09 PM

orclover: FinFangFark: Mrtraveler01: FinFangFark: I know it has no relevance to the conversation, but all this N. Korea jibber jabber suddenly has me hungry for some good Pho.

Whatsupwiththat?

That is odd since Pho isn't even a Korean dish.

I know that...that's why I found it so odd.

Well if you drop by Austin might I suggest......
Some pretty decent Pho, better hurry before it disappears in a flash of light.


I lived in Austin for 10 years before moving back to Houston, and I'm always back in Austin on the weekends to hang out with friends.  I've been to Kim Phung...you're right, some good Pho there.  Was also a fan of the Saigon Noodle House.  An old roomate of my best friend lived in that place.
 
2013-03-29 09:55:35 PM
I'm so tired of this bs.  If Obammy had any balls he's send in Seal Team 6 for a new movie.
 
2013-03-29 09:55:35 PM
I couldn't help but laugh at this image on North Korea's Flickr.

farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-03-29 09:56:38 PM

Bisu: Bisu: Rhino_man: Bisu: Kanemano: Mrtraveler01: Oldiron_79: Well they listed Austin, TX in thier top 5 targets, so apparantly lil Kim hates hipsters.

Is there a citation/list for this? I would love to see what his other "targets" are.

The usual east coast cities, plus that damn Austin.
[i.telegraph.co.uk image 625x389]

Ok for the second time in two threads, that arrow probably doesn't end in Austin. You CANNOT SEE the end of it because the guy's HAT IS IN THE WAY.  All the other arrows end in an arrow head. That one has the arrow head blocked, so it must be somewhere BEYOND MID TEXAS.

/hopefully CAPS and bold will help this time.
//and yes, they aren't actual trajectories, just arrows from NK to US cities

Looks like Miami, maybe?

[img211.imagevenue.com image 800x455]

Actually it looks like it has to be Dallas. Too far north to be Miami, and too south to be Atlanta. Of course, my overlay ended up putting the alleged LA arrow over San Diego as well, so I could be using a differently proportioned/curved map than them.

Imagevenue apparently uses some sort of dynamic image address witchcraft on their images now, so I guess I'll just link.

[img211.imagevenue.com image 160x91]


Clearly that line is heading straight for Macon, GA.

Dallas makes sense though since that's where Bush lives. Plus it's home to some of the nations biggest oil and communication companes, plus DFW.

Surprised it's not Houston though.
 
2013-03-29 09:57:11 PM

Greywar: Actually here is my prediction.  They're going to go a bit further.  They WILL execute a military strike and try to kill a few people.  Maybe sink a ship like last time.  Not enough to kick off a war, but enough that they can try and force people to take them to the negotiating table.

From there..who knows.  This is the sort of thing that can get DRASTICALLY out of hand.  so it could stop there, go for the retaliation strike and stop, OR...they get nailed to the wall bad.

If they actually launch on a united states city such as Honolulu....that would be a truly truly bad idea.  Seriously bad idea, and they may not realize how bad of an idea, thinking it would be something along the line of sinking the south Korean ship like they did a couple years ago.

So my bet...60% they try and escalate just a tiny bit (ie shoot up a patrol boat level, or fire some artilary on South Korean military forces on the border) to try and go to the table and negotiate from what they will think is a position of strength, 40% it all quiets down and is nothing.

Now for REAL fun..and paranoia....

What if China has secretly provided them with some state of the art weapons, and Korea uses those to launch accurate attacks on a US mainland city?  Good way for China to see what our defenses are really like, and then China can step in and try and negotiate it down, with the hint that they will step in and defend Korea again?  Maybe just with their navy?  This way lies madness....but the paranoid part of me wonders...what if?


China's navy wouldn't last long on its own.  To have any chance, they'd need to stay within range of air and missile cover from China.  Japan and SK could pretty much shred the Chinese navy if they got very far out of their back yard.
Plus China needs to build up its navy to keep hold of the South China Sea.  Getting a bunch of it sunk will not help with building it up.
 
2013-03-29 09:58:22 PM
Please start shooting Un.  Do it. Skin it. And see what happens.
 
2013-03-29 09:58:27 PM
In the wise words of Bruno:
Stop fighting, North Korea and South Korea.  You're all basically Chinese.
 
2013-03-29 09:58:41 PM
Best Korea also said they will launch missile at Texass and destroy it...... And not a single fark was given...

/Whos gives a fark about Texass anyways.
//gets rid of it along with a mass murderer/torturer(g.w. bush).
 
2013-03-29 09:59:14 PM
double button scarf?
you should have warn triple button
for all that shiat your gonna do to CHINA
 
2013-03-29 09:59:21 PM
My best Guess for Lil Kim hatin on Austin is Lil Kim dont like Texas because of Bush, and since Austin is the capitol of Texas to a foreigner thats never been there it must be the most Texasy part of Texas, right?
 
2013-03-29 09:59:35 PM

sheep snorter: Best Korea also said they will launch missile at Texass and destroy it...... And not a single fark was given...

/Whos gives a fark about Texass anyways.
//gets rid of it along with a mass murderer/torturer(g.w. bush).


-5
 
2013-03-29 09:59:39 PM
So when do we send the "Stop rattling your saber we can can wipe you off the map without breaking a sweat." message?
 
2013-03-29 09:59:40 PM
If they pull the trigger, this will be over in minutes.  Good news is NK real estate will be even cheaper than it is now.  Bad news is you will have to wait around 60 years or so to go there.
 
2013-03-29 09:59:50 PM

Gyrfalcon: Now, if you want to be paranoid, consider this: China's recent hacking attempts have been to steal industrial secrets and commercial patents, which is costly but ultimately useless, since they can always reverse-engineer any patented items. But what if those hacks were not to steal patents and IP, but merely diversions to plant invisible Stuxnet-style viruses, which are now lying dormant inside the corporate servers? They'd be waiting for a certain date in the future, or for a specific number of sales, phone calls, etc., to activate and execute---or maybe just open a backdoor to allow another stealth virus into the system.


Problem with that theory.  You're assuming that those servers wouldn't be replaced/updated/upgraded in such a fashion that any rootkit or logic bomb is removed between now and then.

Stuxnet was so powerful because it targeted extremely specific hardware that the Iranian nuclear program could not function without, and could not be easily replaced.  Random corporate servers are more likely to be replaced.

The Chinese attacks were more likely a testing of defenses and scouting run, and attempting to gain relatively low-clearance material from defense contractors that is not publicly disclosed.
 
2013-03-29 10:00:22 PM
lets buy some cheap weed from NK on SILK ROAD!!!
 
2013-03-29 10:00:38 PM

Gyrfalcon: China has already indicated they don't want Best Korea to start any kind of war, and they've told Lil' Kim to STFU and stand down already, more than once.


With all due respect, expecting China to make their true feelings and motives clear is naive.

It's entirely possible China would use NK to do things it doesn't want to openly do, but be all "oh North Korea, don't do that!" on the international stage.
 
2013-03-29 10:00:48 PM

RobertBruce: Austin?  They can't hit hawaii.


And that's the *westernmost* city they named. Laughable. Also confusing. Someone get this tyranny a globe.
 
2013-03-29 10:01:03 PM

Mrtraveler01: Surprised it's not Houston though.


He heard they had Rice there....
 
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