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2013-03-29 09:02:03 PM

tinyarena: RobertBruce: Are the stories about their huge conventional arsenal of artillery aimed south even partially true?

Well, let's look at the choices here.  Either they are master magicians, and world hide and seek champions,,,or

[blogs.scientificamerican.com image 220x300]


That's a photo of lights and energy. That's why Pyongyang is the sole bright source. You don't need either for conventional weaponry and they do have a lot.
 
2013-03-29 09:02:33 PM

Demodiki: GAT_00: I'm starting to think they might mean it this time.

No you don't.


Really?  Tell me more about what I really think.
 
2013-03-29 09:02:35 PM
Why does the reporting of this seem familiar?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-29 09:02:38 PM
www.abc.net.au

How come for military men that have been in the service for decades, all of them have such bad posture? They look like they should be sitting in the park playing two suited Mahjong rather than discussing military strategies.
 
2013-03-29 09:02:51 PM
Ugh.

I've been content to dismiss North Korea's peener waving as just attention-whoring for as long as I've been around.  However, this feels different.  The tempo of their threats; the specificity...It's a little unnerving.

Am I worried about being hit in the US?  Absolutely not.  But I am worried for all those people living within artillery range of the DMZ.  While I do believe US and South Korean forces would be able to shut down their gun emplacements in a matter of hours, think of the havoc that could be caused by five or six hours of shelling a major population center.

I hope to god this is just another ridiculous overture.  Nobody needs another war.
 
2013-03-29 09:03:02 PM
NK really seems like the nation state version of a sleep deprived toddler, throwing progressively worse tantrums in the hope of getting someone to pay attention to them
 
2013-03-29 09:03:45 PM

Speef: I used to live in Korea. North Korea does this on at least a quarterly basis; far more often if they feel sad and want extra attention. Their declarations of imminent war are treated just one step less seriously than crazy drunken hoboes' declarations of war.

I think everyone in Korea believes that it could happen... and most of them probably believe that the head crazy drunken hobo probably WILL pull the trigger someday... but he has been hysterically threatening to commit suicide by warfare every week for 60 years.

Nobody there even hears it anymore- it's just background noise.

The only new thing happening is that NewKim's press corps is actively seeking a new audience for their noise, with some success.


I have a Korean friend who was in South Korea last couple weeks ago when the sable rattling started. She heard about it less than we did here because it seems like they ignore it so much there.

However I would say this to me seems further than past times. The cut the lines for all communication and say that armistice is no longer.
 
2013-03-29 09:03:46 PM

netweavr: Enters?

They never left the last state of war. This is just another temper tantrum designed to gauge the new leadership of South Korea. It's like a primary school student testing out a new teacher


Thank you.
 
2013-03-29 09:04:15 PM
Pete

The last thing we need is our great warrior/community activist president getting us into another costly war. It's just the kind of stupidity we've come to expect from this thin-skinned, chickenhawk chickensh*t and I bet he's chomping at the bit to jump right in if things go south. As citizens and taxpayers, we must make it a priority to strip war powers from both the president and the congress. All foreign military actions must be paid with war bonds, not tax money, just like World War II. If the people don't support the action and don't buy the bonds, there's no money to fight, and no war. And if our divisive little sh*thead of a president stirs up the usual liberal idiots enough to actually get us involved somewhere, all it will take to get us out is a shift in popular opinion. If we had this model in Iraq, I'm guessing we would have been out after only a couple of years. But the bottom line is this: No tax money for foreign wars!

Repeat

I know the liberals rolled up their war protest banners the very day Obama became president - rolled them up and turned their back on our war-mongering around the globe, but if you - regardless of political party - think this continuous cycle of war is just bullsh*t and, as a society, see this behavior as fundamentally counter-productive then you should probably see at least a little value in what I'm proposing - effectively putting war-making ability directly into the hands of the citizens and taxpayers, just like we did in WW2.
 
2013-03-29 09:04:23 PM
If my uniform included wearing a frikkin rice bowl on my head, I'd be ready to kick someone's ass, too
 
2013-03-29 09:04:47 PM

Feel_the_velvet: Meh.  It will be over by morning (on the east coast, US).  The Norks will have released a PR video meant for their own people showing the complete annihilation of the US and South Korea....

...and we'll all go about our lives as normal.


Something tells me this is the real deal. I think he's just crazy enough to pull the trigger. It won't be the end of the world but a lot of kimchi kings are gonna bit the big one...

Personally I don't give a rat's ass about the Korean peninsula as they have no oil to exploit. Except for animation slavery sweat shops and shiatty Hyundais what do they really have?
 
2013-03-29 09:04:58 PM
Does this mean we'll get a new M*A*S*H series?
 
2013-03-29 09:05:53 PM

darthdrafter: Well it looks like there may be a war that wasn't clearly manufactured by (our) politicians.

And it will cost a shiat-ton of money.


You guys do realize that there has been a new guy in charge for a while now, right?

I don't blame anyone who is pissed at the chicanery that took place ten to twelve years ago. I'm right there with you. Also, I'm well aware that those circumstances could happen again.

That being said, I don't think one can just blindly attribute every geopolitical maneuver being made as "building the case for an unjust war", either.
 
2013-03-29 09:06:14 PM
Hey Limp Dick, you do not have the farking balls to attack South Korea and the American troops stationed there. You are just a scared little boy. So go ahead and posture all you want, because the rest of the world laughs at your idiotic, pathetic displays. And, more importantly, they laugh at you. In fact, here is a picture I made a while back, one where I am completely mocking you!

img.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-29 09:07:14 PM
Release the Drones!
 
2013-03-29 09:07:21 PM

SBinRR: Does this mean that Ann Margret's not coming?


She's not even breathing heavy.
 
2013-03-29 09:07:51 PM

wantingout: Its funny that every time economic doom seems imminent, another country comes along that needs invadin'.


You don't really believe that wars help the economy, do you?  That's a really tired piece of tripe that hasn't been true for a long time.

Since we have gigantic stockpiles of weaponry and military equipment, the industries that produce those things don't need to add new jobs nor innovate new technologies just because a war breaks out.  All war means is that we spend a whole lot of money on deploying people, buying fuel for our existing war machines, and paying medical expenses for injured soldiers.  The last couple wars we fought hurt the economy immensely by sucking up well over a trillion dollars that we didn't have on something that hardly contributed one iota to the country's bottom line.  I don't know if you noticed, but the Iraq war didn't exactly catapult the economy, and the economic climate right now is on the upswing despite the fact that we just ENDED two wars.  We sure as hell don't need another one.
 
2013-03-29 09:08:12 PM

Bisu: Kanemano: Mrtraveler01: Oldiron_79: Well they listed Austin, TX in thier top 5 targets, so apparantly lil Kim hates hipsters.

Is there a citation/list for this? I would love to see what his other "targets" are.

The usual east coast cities, plus that damn Austin.
[i.telegraph.co.uk image 625x389]

Ok for the second time in two threads, that arrow probably doesn't end in Austin. You CANNOT SEE the end of it because the guy's HAT IS IN THE WAY.  All the other arrows end in an arrow head. That one has the arrow head blocked, so it must be somewhere BEYOND MID TEXAS.

/hopefully CAPS and bold will help this time.
//and yes, they aren't actual trajectories, just arrows from NK to US cities


Looks like Miami, maybe?
 
2013-03-29 09:09:18 PM
War were declared?
 
2013-03-29 09:09:31 PM
Inter-Korean issue?

I think I have that Hustler.
 
2013-03-29 09:09:38 PM

Bisu: Kanemano: Mrtraveler01: Oldiron_79: Well they listed Austin, TX in thier top 5 targets, so apparantly lil Kim hates hipsters.

Is there a citation/list for this? I would love to see what his other "targets" are.

The usual east coast cities, plus that damn Austin.
[i.telegraph.co.uk image 625x389]

Ok for the second time in two threads, that arrow probably doesn't end in Austin. You CANNOT SEE the end of it because the guy's HAT IS IN THE WAY.  All the other arrows end in an arrow head. That one has the arrow head blocked, so it must be somewhere BEYOND MID TEXAS.

/hopefully CAPS and bold will help this time.
//and yes, they aren't actual trajectories, just arrows from NK to US cities


Valid point, but I can't figure out where else that line would end. Houston? New Orleans? Jacksonville?
 
2013-03-29 09:10:09 PM
i think the Koreas should take over and make our work week 6 days instead of 5.  then make it one more every year
till 2059 when they bomb the world
and we all die of radiation poisoning!

democracy!!
 
2013-03-29 09:10:54 PM

Hagbardr: SBinRR: Does this mean that Ann Margret's not coming?

She's not even breathing heavy.


I think he needs to get up up Phu Bai. Capt January is gonna need all of his men.
 
2013-03-29 09:11:19 PM
I heard that the main reason the North was planning on attacking the South was because South Koreans are puppet traders.  I mean, how fugging ridiculous is that.  What's going to happen?  Miss piggy will bring more domestic violence into North Korea by chasing Kermit the frog with a hammer over the border?  Maybe Big Bird will teach all the kids how to sing "Fark You Kim Jong Uhmmmm.  Or may Frank and Ernie will jump the border, announce that they are gay and then perform the Backdoor Bongo at some local elementary school.

Or better yet.... Oh wait... That's Puppet Traitors, not Puppet Traders....

Sorry!
 
2013-03-29 09:11:35 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: i think the Koreas should take over and make our work week 6 days instead of 5.  then make it one more every year
till 2059 when they bomb the world
and we all die of radiation poisoning!

democracy!!


Captain Tuttle agrees
 
2013-03-29 09:12:12 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: i think the Koreas should take over and make our work week 6 days instead of 5.  then make it one more every year
till 2059 when they bomb the world
and we all die of radiation poisoning!

democracy!!


The Soviets tried changing the length of a week once.

/Once.
 
2013-03-29 09:13:27 PM

Rhino_man: Bisu: Kanemano: Mrtraveler01: Oldiron_79: Well they listed Austin, TX in thier top 5 targets, so apparantly lil Kim hates hipsters.

Is there a citation/list for this? I would love to see what his other "targets" are.

The usual east coast cities, plus that damn Austin.
[i.telegraph.co.uk image 625x389]

Ok for the second time in two threads, that arrow probably doesn't end in Austin. You CANNOT SEE the end of it because the guy's HAT IS IN THE WAY.  All the other arrows end in an arrow head. That one has the arrow head blocked, so it must be somewhere BEYOND MID TEXAS.

/hopefully CAPS and bold will help this time.
//and yes, they aren't actual trajectories, just arrows from NK to US cities

Looks like Miami, maybe?


Seems like the line is too far North to be Miami.

Meanwhile the internets are having fun with the Austin choice.

http://unaustin.tumblr.com/
 
2013-03-29 09:13:51 PM

AppleOptionEsc: Oh boy-oh-boy. I can't wait for the Russia-China-USA dick waving contest on seeing who wants to "keep the peace" more and betterer.


Given that both China and Russia have told Best Korea to STFU and stop rattling their rusty useless sabers, I don't think this will end badly for anyone except the Son of Dear Leader.

More and more, I'm thinking my original scenario was right: Lil' Kim wants his war so he can lose gracefully and surrender to the Americans and hopefully keep his fat retarded head on his mushroom neck; which he cannot do if he has to surrender to the Chinese. There's just no other logical reason--or illogical one, for that matter--for him to be rushing this war that he knows he has no allies for and cannot win.
 
2013-03-29 09:14:19 PM
I think it would be hilarious for someone in the UN to say to the NK ambassor to "be quiet while the adults are talking."  Someone needs to make it clear that we consider them to be a noisy and unruly child who needs a spanking and a time out.
 
2013-03-29 09:14:25 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk

There is a fundamental order to this world.

Victory for  Nea So Copros! Victory for Unanimity!
 
2013-03-29 09:14:56 PM
Aha! The Wibberly Strategem!
 
2013-03-29 09:15:15 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-29 09:15:55 PM

Civil_War2_Time: Do you work for UPS? You said "right" three times, which means "left."


That's actually funny.


....unless you're suggesting that Neocons are leftists.


Then it would be hilarious.
 
2013-03-29 09:16:12 PM
let's blow up the world and go back to work tomorrow
 
2013-03-29 09:16:22 PM

KiwDaWabbit: Jon iz teh kewl: i think the Koreas should take over and make our work week 6 days instead of 5.  then make it one more every year
till 2059 when they bomb the world
and we all die of radiation poisoning!

democracy!!

The Soviets tried changing the length of a week once.

/Once.


I'm in favor of getting rid of Mondays too.
 
2013-03-29 09:16:52 PM
Oh geez, I wonder why the media decides to hype the over bloated words of an over bloated man of a country that poses no threat to the US....

Why are people so goddamn stupid? They have been talking shiat about the USA and South Korea for the last 70 years and for some reason now it's an emergency? Hmmmm let me see, is it because the war machine is winding down in one part of the world and we need to keep throwing money at our military monopsonists in order to keep them happy?
 
2013-03-29 09:19:02 PM
The missiles will be put on rafts and floated towards Japan. North Korea will destroy all American-sympathizers in a matter of 3 months, as long as the weather is good and the tide predictions are accurate.
 
2013-03-29 09:19:11 PM

orclover: TexasPeace: Austin?    They want to bomb Austin?

Yea were all kinda scratching our heads at that statement here in Central Texas.  But yea, well whatever.  Guess the norks are going to nuke us.  Maybe afterword i'll finally be able to find a parking space down town.


Well you'd have a good hour before an ICBM launched from NK would get there. 2 hours if they take the direct path as shown on the map.
 
2013-03-29 09:19:25 PM
is that like a Packard Bell
 
2013-03-29 09:19:28 PM

Rhino_man: Bisu: Kanemano: Mrtraveler01: Oldiron_79: Well they listed Austin, TX in thier top 5 targets, so apparantly lil Kim hates hipsters.

Is there a citation/list for this? I would love to see what his other "targets" are.

The usual east coast cities, plus that damn Austin.
[i.telegraph.co.uk image 625x389]

Ok for the second time in two threads, that arrow probably doesn't end in Austin. You CANNOT SEE the end of it because the guy's HAT IS IN THE WAY.  All the other arrows end in an arrow head. That one has the arrow head blocked, so it must be somewhere BEYOND MID TEXAS.

/hopefully CAPS and bold will help this time.
//and yes, they aren't actual trajectories, just arrows from NK to US cities

Looks like Miami, maybe?


Kim is a Chicago Bulls fan, right?  He's going to bomb the US just to keep the Miami Heat from winning again!

Seriously, there are times that i think the only reason we haven't already intervened (again that is) is so that no matter what happens in Pakistan, Syria, etc.. that we'll still have a fear-mongering nation the DoD can use to justify a few more billion in military spending.
 
2013-03-29 09:20:43 PM

scottydoesntknow: tinyarena: RobertBruce: Are the stories about their huge conventional arsenal of artillery aimed south even partially true?

Well, let's look at the choices here.  Either they are master magicians, and world hide and seek champions,,,or

[blogs.scientificamerican.com image 220x300]

That's a photo of lights and energy. That's why Pyongyang is the sole bright source. You don't need either for conventional weaponry and they do have a lot.


Perhaps they do, but here's the seriously stupid part.  It's not the 1950's anymore.

Any concentration of activity, in a wilderness, will stand out.  If the surrounding area is not built up, the thermal radiation is easier to detect.  With ground penetrating radar we see where there is activity, since there is nothing above it.  If they have installations, in the middle of nowhere, we'll know it.

But I doubt they've got much besides wordz.
inapcache.boston.com
 
2013-03-29 09:21:50 PM

Mrtraveler01: Bisu: Kanemano: Mrtraveler01: Oldiron_79: Well they listed Austin, TX in thier top 5 targets, so apparantly lil Kim hates hipsters.

Is there a citation/list for this? I would love to see what his other "targets" are.

The usual east coast cities, plus that damn Austin.
[i.telegraph.co.uk image 625x389]

Ok for the second time in two threads, that arrow probably doesn't end in Austin. You CANNOT SEE the end of it because the guy's HAT IS IN THE WAY.  All the other arrows end in an arrow head. That one has the arrow head blocked, so it must be somewhere BEYOND MID TEXAS.

/hopefully CAPS and bold will help this time.
//and yes, they aren't actual trajectories, just arrows from NK to US cities

Valid point, but I can't figure out where else that line would end. Houston? New Orleans? Jacksonville?


Actually I think maybe he's IN Austin. That's the part that's stressing him out. It's OK man. They're just arrows. Someone takes one to the knee and we all get on with life.
 
2013-03-29 09:22:30 PM

Rhino_man: Bisu: Kanemano: Mrtraveler01: Oldiron_79: Well they listed Austin, TX in thier top 5 targets, so apparantly lil Kim hates hipsters.

Is there a citation/list for this? I would love to see what his other "targets" are.

The usual east coast cities, plus that damn Austin.
[i.telegraph.co.uk image 625x389]

Ok for the second time in two threads, that arrow probably doesn't end in Austin. You CANNOT SEE the end of it because the guy's HAT IS IN THE WAY.  All the other arrows end in an arrow head. That one has the arrow head blocked, so it must be somewhere BEYOND MID TEXAS.

/hopefully CAPS and bold will help this time.
//and yes, they aren't actual trajectories, just arrows from NK to US cities

Looks like Miami, maybe?


Holy shiat.  He's going to nuke Disney World......at the start of spring.  It could only be more epic level of trolling if he nuked it on Gay Day.  This country would tear itself apart in the ensuing flamewar.

Nah, im still holding out for him nuking Austin.  Were all gonna get super powers, gonna live it up like a Gamma World RPG, its gonna be awesome.
 
2013-03-29 09:23:17 PM

Gsm136: Look, you can't lay all that on my shoulders. Don't you know how much this place stinks? Don't you know what it's like to stand day after day in blood? In the blood of children? I hate this place. And if I can't stand up to it to your satisfaction, then --- then the hell with it. How dare you? The hell with your Iowa naivete, and the hell with your hero worship and your teddy bear, and while you're at it, the hell with you. Why don't you grow up for crying out loud? I'm not here for you to admire. I'm here to pull bodies out of a sausage grinder -- if possible, without going crazy. Period.


i272.photobucket.com

Leave Radar alone!
 
2013-03-29 09:23:34 PM

WhoopAssWayne: I know the liberals rolled up their war protest banners the very day Obama became president


You don't know sh*t; not everyone is as blindly partisan as you.
Obama took plenty of criticism from the left for simply not ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan quickly enough, and he would take way more if he started a unilateral "liberation" war with NK.  But he won't because he isn't a goddamn braindead f**kwit like Bush.  If he does I will loudly berate him for it, but he won't.  If Un DOES do something stupid, he will do only what is necessary to protect SK and disable NK, and will try to get NATO allies in to help like with Libya.
 
2013-03-29 09:24:01 PM

AeAe: Let's do this!!


LEEEEEROOOOOOOOOY JENNNNNNNNKINSSS!
/oblig
 
2013-03-29 09:24:43 PM

ClavellBCMI: Best Korea is at war with Better Korea. They have *always* been at war with Better Korea (at least, since 1950). The temporary lull in actual shooting at each other full-time has only existed since the US got the UN (minus China, which was absent for the vote in the Security Council) to kick their asses and forced them to sign an armistice in 1953. Kim Jong-Un can't count on Chinese "volunteers" to bail his ass out this time.


It was the USSR that was absent, else the UN would never have intervened, leaving the US and its allies to move without UN sanction.  It would have pretty much killed the UN at that point, which was a relatively new body and already having issues because of the Cold War.
 
2013-03-29 09:27:13 PM

Ima10urin8: The fat boy is shooting asimuth angles for his cannonball artillery to hit drones


So, I'm doing what?
 
2013-03-29 09:27:22 PM

WTF Indeed: They just clarified by saying it's neither peace nor war. So exactly the same as the last 50 years.


Did you read the same article I did? Because they said exactly not that.

"As of now, inter-Korea relations enter a state of war and all matters between the two Koreas will be handled according to wartime protocol," the statement said.  "The long-standing situation of the Korean peninsula being neither at peace nor at war is finally over."
 
2013-03-29 09:27:37 PM

Corvus: [static1.businessinsider.com image 850x637] Yeah the US is so awful and behind Best Korea, that's why you have an iMac on your desk!

Actually that's pretty fat for an iMac maybe it's a Chinese knock off.


Considering they're made in china..... not likely a 'knock off'.
 
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