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2013-03-29 05:35:53 PM  
That seems as good a reason as any.

Tell me subby, do you know anyone who is insured now because of Obamacare that wasn't insured before? Do you know anyone whose insurance costs have gone down.

I don't, but if you have examples I'm all ears.
 
2013-03-29 05:36:53 PM  

feckingmorons: That seems as good a reason as any.

Tell me subby, do you know anyone who is insured now because of Obamacare that wasn't insured before? Do you know anyone whose insurance costs have gone down.

I don't, but if you have examples I'm all ears.



Because anecdotes are so very, very useful.
 
2013-03-29 05:38:22 PM  

kmmontandon: feckingmorons: That seems as good a reason as any.

Tell me subby, do you know anyone who is insured now because of Obamacare that wasn't insured before? Do you know anyone whose insurance costs have gone down.

I don't, but if you have examples I'm all ears.


Because anecdotes are so very, very useful.


And it doesn't really kick in until 2014

/freakin details
 
2013-03-29 05:49:10 PM  
 More than half of my time in the office is spent filling out forms, writing letters, responding to inquiries, and attending to 'urgent' matters that did not exist 10 years ago

So medicine marches on and he doesn't want to keep up.
Filling out forms=writing prescriptions, ordering lab work and tests
Responding to inquiries, I guess he doesn't want anyone questioning his judgment,
Writing letters so he doesn't want to advocate for his patients,
Not sure what the urgent matters he refers to or why the scare quotes.

By the way if you don't like dealing with insurance be it medicare or the private ones you can always continue to practice and only accept cash patients.
 
2013-03-29 06:03:02 PM  
The 2013 Deloitte Survey of U.S. Physicians, a survey of more than 600 physicians from the Deloitte Center for Health Solutions, found that "Six in 10 physicians (62 percent) said it is likely many of their colleagues will retire earlier than planned in the next one to three years."

weasel words bolded in the quote.

All this says is that 6 out of 10 respondents believe that some other doctors may retire earlier than planned, I wonder how many in the survey said that they planned on retiring early and it is telling that information is not included.
 
2013-03-29 06:15:28 PM  

kmmontandon: feckingmorons: That seems as good a reason as any.

Tell me subby, do you know anyone who is insured now because of Obamacare that wasn't insured before? Do you know anyone whose insurance costs have gone down.

I don't, but if you have examples I'm all ears.


Because anecdotes are so very, very useful.



Well it would help me form my personal opinion. I know there is something about college students being insured on parent's policies until 26, has anyone derived a benefit from that. Where I work it has been like that (actually I think 29 years old - you could get a PhD and stay on your parents plan) for at least a decade, so it is no change for me.

I would like to hear some stories about how the many provisions that have already gone into effect have helped someone... anyone. There must be someone you know that it has helped.
 
2013-03-29 06:20:44 PM  

spongeboob: More than half of my time in the office is spent filling out forms, writing letters, responding to inquiries, and attending to 'urgent' matters that did not exist 10 years ago

So medicine marches on and he doesn't want to keep up.
Filling out forms=writing prescriptions, ordering lab work and tests
Responding to inquiries, I guess he doesn't want anyone questioning his judgment,
Writing letters so he doesn't want to advocate for his patients,
Not sure what the urgent matters he refers to or why the scare quotes.

By the way if you don't like dealing with insurance be it medicare or the private ones you can always continue to practice and only accept cash chicken-bartering patients.


FTF Arizona's 2010 US Senate candidate Sue Lowden (R)
 
2013-03-29 06:33:55 PM  
It's not just the old doctors that are retiring due to Obamacare.  This guy doesn't even practice anymore:

www.virginmedia.com

He should just be hitting his prime.  DAMN YOU, OBAMA!!
 
2013-03-29 07:06:14 PM  

spongeboob: The 2013 Deloitte Survey of U.S. Physicians, a survey of more than 600 physicians from the Deloitte Center for Health Solutions, found that "Six in 10 physicians (62 percent) said it is likely many of their colleagues will retire earlier than planned in the next one to three years."

weasel words bolded in the quote.

All this says is that 6 out of 10 respondents believe that some other doctors may retire earlier than planned, I wonder how many in the survey said that they planned on retiring early and it is telling that information is not included.


It would make it harder to make a narrative if the number was not significantly different than the number of doctors that retire every year.

And who would want a 75 year old doctor anyway? Woo, you don't know any modern medical treatments. I trust younger doctors more.
 
2013-03-29 08:25:14 PM  

feckingmorons: kmmontandon: feckingmorons: That seems as good a reason as any.

Tell me subby, do you know anyone who is insured now because of Obamacare that wasn't insured before? Do you know anyone whose insurance costs have gone down.

I don't, but if you have examples I'm all ears.


Because anecdotes are so very, very useful.


Well it would help me form my personal opinion. I know there is something about college students being insured on parent's policies until 26, has anyone derived a benefit from that. Where I work it has been like that (actually I think 29 years old - you could get a PhD and stay on your parents plan) for at least a decade, so it is no change for me.

I would like to hear some stories about how the many provisions that have already gone into effect have helped someone... anyone. There must be someone you know that it has helped.


Well, there are all the people who received insurance rebates after the profit margin was capped.

But then, I guess that's a bad example since making profit in excess of 20% on insurance premiums makes us free and liberty and not socialisms...birth cerificit.
 
2013-03-29 08:32:02 PM  

doyner: Well, there are all the people who received insurance rebates after the profit margin was capped.

But then, I guess that's a bad example since making profit in excess of 20% on insurance premiums makes us free and liberty and not socialisms...birth cerificit.


It also saved my sister from bankruptcy that she would have been forced to take after her gall bladder was removed.  She was in the hospital for four or five days too, it flared up so bad it blocked her pancreas too and was threatening to make it fail too.  The bills from that would have destroyed her.  As is, thanks to the extension of time you can be covered on your parents insurance, it's payable, though still a big bill.

The only reason she wasn't financially destroyed from something she had no control over was Obamacare.
 
2013-03-29 08:39:21 PM  

GAT_00: The only reason she wasn't financially destroyed from something she had no control over was Obamacare.


Yeah, but she's a taker, not a maker and ergo, she should have been left to die.  It's a small price to pay to keep a 75 year-old doctor in business.
 
2013-03-29 08:47:51 PM  
Cal Thomas should retire.
 
2013-03-29 08:49:55 PM  
Remember that the barber will always think you need a haircut.

We've all been sold to an industry that charges $80 for a box of facial tissues.
 
2013-03-29 08:51:20 PM  

feckingmorons: Tell me subby, do you know anyone who is insured now because of Obamacare that wasn't insured before?


The millions of people who fit into the gap between the old Medicaid income cutoff and the new one (and who don't live in a red state where the governor cares less about their needs than giving Obama the finger by refusing to go along with Medicaid expansion).
 
2013-03-29 08:54:30 PM  
Let me see if I understand this article: a doctor who is making weird hyperbolic assumptions about what the ACA will actually do, and is unhappy about changes to the medical profession that have taken place over the last 40 years, is retiring early "because Obamacare"?
 
2013-03-29 08:55:31 PM  

feckingmorons: That seems as good a reason as any.

Tell me subby, do you know anyone who is insured now because of Obamacare that wasn't insured before? Do you know anyone whose insurance costs have gone down.

I don't, but if you have examples I'm all ears.


I am.  I am insured by PA Fair Care where I couldn't get insurance before.
 
2013-03-29 08:57:45 PM  

feckingmorons: I would like to hear some stories about how the many provisions that have already gone into effect have helped someone... anyone. There must be someone you know that it has helped.


My friend in California who has fybromyaliga and my ex with retinitis pigmentosa are now able to get insurance coverage for those issues thanks to Obamacare.
 
2013-03-29 08:58:24 PM  

feckingmorons: kmmontandon: feckingmorons: That seems as good a reason as any.

Tell me subby, do you know anyone who is insured now because of Obamacare that wasn't insured before? Do you know anyone whose insurance costs have gone down.

I don't, but if you have examples I'm all ears.


Because anecdotes are so very, very useful.


Well it would help me form my personal opinion. I know there is something about college students being insured on parent's policies until 26, has anyone derived a benefit from that. Where I work it has been like that (actually I think 29 years old - you could get a PhD and stay on your parents plan) for at least a decade, so it is no change for me.

I would like to hear some stories about how the many provisions that have already gone into effect have helped someone... anyone. There must be someone you know that it has helped.


That would be my brother.

GAT_00: doyner: Well, there are all the people who received insurance rebates after the profit margin was capped.

But then, I guess that's a bad example since making profit in excess of 20% on insurance premiums makes us free and liberty and not socialisms...birth cerificit.

It also saved my sister from bankruptcy that she would have been forced to take after her gall bladder was removed.  She was in the hospital for four or five days too, it flared up so bad it blocked her pancreas too and was threatening to make it fail too.  The bills from that would have destroyed her.  As is, thanks to the extension of time you can be covered on your parents insurance, it's payable, though still a big bill.

The only reason she wasn't financially destroyed from something she had no control over was Obamacare.


Pretty much every service industry employee.
My room mate will be receiving health insurance from Home Depot starting 2014, full coverage. He's been working there for 2 years now, and only now will he receive medical coverage.
My brother, directly, due to the 26 year old provision. He had lower back surgery after lifting a heavy object in an awkward position, paid for by my mother's insurance at the ripe old age of 23. *For petes sake, straighten your back, you'd be surprised how much damage you can do to yourself with a 80 lb bag of dry cement*
 
2013-03-29 08:58:43 PM  
Let me guess. This guy didn't vote for Kerry, Clinton, or Gore either.
 
2013-03-29 08:59:02 PM  
Also, this should be required reading for every Obamacare thread:

Timeline of the Affordable Care Act
 
2013-03-29 08:59:08 PM  

feckingmorons: That seems as good a reason as any.

Tell me subby, do you know anyone who is insured now because of Obamacare that wasn't insured before? Do you know anyone whose insurance costs have gone down.

I don't, but if you have examples I'm all ears.


Here's an example: 29 year-old male diagnosed with liver cancer. Covered under employer insurance, but insurance lost along with job... because cancer.

No longer unable to get access to insurance, thanks to provisions of the ACA.

So... Suck it.
 
2013-03-29 09:01:30 PM  

feckingmorons: Well it would help me form my personal opinion. I know there is something about college students being insured on parent's policies until 26, has anyone derived a benefit from that. Where I work it has been like that (actually I think 29 years old - you could get a PhD and stay on your parents plan) for at least a decade, so it is no change for me.

I would like to hear some stories about how the many provisions that have already gone into effect have helped someone... anyone. There must be someone you know that it has helped.


One of my Aunts spent her entire life battling a simple hormone imbalance, she couldn't get insurance anywhere because it had hospitalized her a few times before she knew the proper diet to control it. It was never formally diagnosed and medicated until she finally got insurance and they had a simple a cheap pill for it. Now technically preexisting conditions aren't covered till 2014, she actually got insurance because she turned 65 last year. In actuality only kids are affected so far by new healthcare laws, I don't know many sick kids. There will be more stories starting next year.
 
2013-03-29 09:01:37 PM  

feckingmorons: That seems as good a reason as any.

Tell me subby, do you know anyone who is insured now because of Obamacare that wasn't insured before? Do you know anyone whose insurance costs have gone down.

I don't, but if you have examples I'm all ears.


my insurance has gone down two years running. and if I didn't have insurance, come October I'm eligible for subsidized coverage on the state exchange.

so now you'll shut up and quit threadshiatting, right? right? why is everyone laughing at me?
 
2013-03-29 09:02:16 PM  
So, feckingmorons, I guess you now have the anecdotes you once lacked.
 
2013-03-29 09:02:40 PM  

feckingmorons: Do you know anyone whose insurance costs have gone down.


Please provide a list of those whose insurance costs went down in the twenty years prior to Obama's presidency.

TIA!
 
2013-03-29 09:03:22 PM  
Is this the same survey sent out to 25,000 doctors with 600 responding and 60% of those respondents saying they're going to retire?

If yes, this is just more fear-mongering from Fox News.

OOGA BOOGA BOOGA!

Obama will kill your grandmother!

OOGA BOOGA BOOGA!
 
2013-03-29 09:03:49 PM  

MindStalker: feckingmorons: Well it would help me form my personal opinion. I know there is something about college students being insured on parent's policies until 26, has anyone derived a benefit from that. Where I work it has been like that (actually I think 29 years old - you could get a PhD and stay on your parents plan) for at least a decade, so it is no change for me.

I would like to hear some stories about how the many provisions that have already gone into effect have helped someone... anyone. There must be someone you know that it has helped.

One of my Aunts spent her entire life battling a simple hormone imbalance, she couldn't get insurance anywhere because it had hospitalized her a few times before she knew the proper diet to control it. It was never formally diagnosed and medicated until she finally got insurance and they had a simple a cheap pill for it. Now technically preexisting conditions aren't covered till 2014, she actually got insurance because she turned 65 last year. In actuality only kids are affected so far by new healthcare laws, I don't know many sick kids. There will be more stories starting next year.


While the full prohibition against refusing to cover pre-existing conditions doesn't kick in until '14, there are now insurance plans specifically for pre-existing conditions thanks to Obamacare.
 
2013-03-29 09:05:07 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
Thanks, Obama!
 
2013-03-29 09:06:02 PM  
75 Y/O? Ya like he wasnt going to retire already.

I bet his leeches retired 10 years ago.
 
2013-03-29 09:07:21 PM  
For those who didn't read TFA: This is it in a nutshell----This guy has been a doctor for 40 years. In that time, it has gone from an era of personal care, housecalls, and sometimes getting paid through barter to an overpriced system where you are just a number to your doctor, and it's all Obamacare's fault, even though it is something like 2 years old, and most provisions haven't gone into effect yet.

I hope the Cliff's Notes version of this article helped people.
 
2013-03-29 09:07:26 PM  
Prediction: we will not see feckingmorons again in this thread
 
2013-03-29 09:08:45 PM  

spongeboob:  More than half of my time in the office is spent filling out forms, writing letters, responding to inquiries, and attending to 'urgent' matters that did not exist 10 years ago

So medicine marches on and he doesn't want to keep up.
Filling out forms=writing prescriptions, ordering lab work and tests
Responding to inquiries, I guess he doesn't want anyone questioning his judgment,
Writing letters so he doesn't want to advocate for his patients,
Not sure what the urgent matters he refers to or why the scare quotes.

By the way if you don't like dealing with insurance be it medicare or the private ones you can always continue to practice and only accept cash patients.


LOL, didn't exist 10 years ago, but Obamacare is brand new and not even fully implemented yet. Using GOP math, that means it's all Obamacare's fault, 100%.
 
2013-03-29 09:10:37 PM  

Dog Welder: Obama will kill your grandmother!

OOGA BOOGA BOOGA!


The thing is, the ACA will either help people or it won't.  It will either make care more available or it won't.  It will reduce costs overall or it won't.

So far, I've found the stories of people that were able to obtain coverage due to the ACA, and received treatment because of it, to be far more compelling than these hypothetical nightmare scenarios.
 
2013-03-29 09:12:28 PM  
lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-03-29 09:14:34 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Prediction: we will not see feckingmorons again in this thread


I was thinking a 60/30/10 split between the vanishing act, reappearing to move the goalposts and reappearing for reasonable discussion, respectively.

Looking at it again though I think I might have gone light on the vanishing act.
 
2013-03-29 09:15:54 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Prediction: we will not see feckingmorons again in this thread


Obamacare went to his house and kicked him in the junk and left an upper decker in his toilet and lit his dog on fire.
 
2013-03-29 09:17:55 PM  
jesusplus.org
THANKS OBAMA!

 
2013-03-29 09:23:27 PM  

Mikey1969: For those who didn't read TFA: This is it in a nutshell----This guy has been a doctor for 40 years. In that time, it has gone from an era of personal care, housecalls, and sometimes getting paid through barter to an overpriced system where you are just a number to your doctor, and it's all Obamacare's fault, even though it is something like 2 years old, and most provisions haven't gone into effect yet.

I hope the Cliff's Notes version of this article helped people.


Yes, pretty much.

"Times have changed, I don't like it, I'm going home to chase kids off my lawn and yell at clouds," says aging doctor from Texas who probably misses the Olden Days when his office had a Colored Entrance around the back.
 
2013-03-29 09:24:33 PM  

feckingmorons: That seems as good a reason as any.

Tell me subby, do you know anyone who is insured now because of Obamacare that wasn't insured before? Do you know anyone whose insurance costs have gone down.

I don't, but if you have examples I'm all ears.


I'm a small business owner (real estate appraiser) in Oklahoma and with the $170 rebate check plus paying $60 a month less for our insurance and the federal exchange hasn't even been made available I'm quite hopeful.

Also it's more than likely we will qualify for a small subsidy
 
2013-03-29 09:26:47 PM  

costermonger: cameroncrazy1984: Prediction: we will not see feckingmorons again in this thread

I was thinking a 60/30/10 split between the vanishing act, reappearing to move the goalposts and reappearing for reasonable discussion, respectively.

Looking at it again though I think I might have gone light on the vanishing act.


And heavy on the reasonable discussion.  I was thinking 85/14/1.
 
2013-03-29 09:28:32 PM  

feckingmorons: That seems as good a reason as any.

Tell me subby, do you know anyone who is insured now because of Obamacare that wasn't insured before? Do you know anyone whose insurance costs have gone down.

I don't, but if you have examples I'm all ears.


Me, and Me.

Happy now?
 
2013-03-29 09:31:19 PM  
The 2013 Deloitte Survey of U.S. Physicians, a survey of more than 600 physicians from the Deloitte Center for Health Solutions, found that "Six in 10 physicians (62 percent) said it is likely many of their colleagues will retire earlier than planned in the next one to three years."

The survey is bunk. It is not a random sample of all physicians, just those picked specially from those already slanted against the Affordable Care Act.
 
2013-03-29 09:31:50 PM  

Rhino_man: costermonger: cameroncrazy1984: Prediction: we will not see feckingmorons again in this thread

I was thinking a 60/30/10 split between the vanishing act, reappearing to move the goalposts and reappearing for reasonable discussion, respectively.

Looking at it again though I think I might have gone light on the vanishing act.

And heavy on the reasonable discussion.  I was thinking 85/14/1.


you put the period on the wrong side of the one.
 
2013-03-29 09:32:37 PM  
Ok, I was excessively generous there.
 
2013-03-29 09:38:28 PM  

feckingmorons: kmmontandon: feckingmorons: That seems as good a reason as any.

Tell me subby, do you know anyone who is insured now because of Obamacare that wasn't insured before? Do you know anyone whose insurance costs have gone down.

I don't, but if you have examples I'm all ears.


Because anecdotes are so very, very useful.


Well it would help me form my personal opinion. I know there is something about college students being insured on parent's policies until 26, has anyone derived a benefit from that. Where I work it has been like that (actually I think 29 years old - you could get a PhD and stay on your parents plan) for at least a decade, so it is no change for me.

I would like to hear some stories about how the many provisions that have already gone into effect have helped someone... anyone. There must be someone you know that it has helped.


I have benefited.

I have a health savings account and preobamacare I got ripped off by doctors that would weasel around and rip me off by taking money from my savings account and forcing me to pay a co pay.

Now with Obamacare I pay and get checks paid directly to me from my healthcare savings account.

That is a f direct result of Obamacare that kicked in this year, so far I have saved over $400
 
2013-03-29 09:41:40 PM  

Kuta: The 2013 Deloitte Survey of U.S. Physicians, a survey of more than 600 physicians from the Deloitte Center for Health Solutions, found that "Six in 10 physicians (62 percent) said it is likely many of their colleagues will retire earlier than planned in the next one to three years."

The survey is bunk. It is not a random sample of all physicians, just those picked specially from those already slanted against the Affordable Care Act.


The survey was mailed out to 20472 doctors, 617 doctors chose to respond via website.  I`m not a statistics guy,  but that seems like a poor way to get an objective view...
 
2013-03-29 09:50:10 PM  

Type_Hard: Kuta: The 2013 Deloitte Survey of U.S. Physicians, a survey of more than 600 physicians from the Deloitte Center for Health Solutions, found that "Six in 10 physicians (62 percent) said it is likely many of their colleagues will retire earlier than planned in the next one to three years."

The survey is bunk. It is not a random sample of all physicians, just those picked specially from those already slanted against the Affordable Care Act.

The survey was mailed out to 20472 doctors, 617 doctors chose to respond via website.  I`m not a statistics guy,  but that seems like a poor way to get an objective view...


And look what it says (or doesn't say):

It is likely = They might or might not

Many of their colleagues = in other words, not the responding doctors

Will retire earlier than planned = They were already planning to retire anyway, they're just going to do it sooner than they'd been going to

In the next 1-3 years = "eventually"

So what they're really saying is "Some people I know who are planning to retire might retire sooner because of Obamacare. But they might not."
 
2013-03-29 09:50:38 PM  
It was the reason my wife's older brother, who practiced medicine in a small town in West Texas, prided himself on the fact that much of the time he 'was paid in peas and pies'.

Bullshiat.

I've seen this line trotted out so often one could be forgiven for thinking all doctors live in penury, yet although banks sure dont accept bags of potatoes in leiu of mortgage payments most doctors somehow seem to live upper middle class lifestyles.
 
2013-03-29 09:56:01 PM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: It was the reason my wife's older brother, who practiced medicine in a small town in West Texas, prided himself on the fact that much of the time he 'was paid in peas and pies'.

Bullshiat.

I've seen this line trotted out so often one could be forgiven for thinking all doctors live in penury, yet although banks sure dont accept bags of potatoes in leiu of mortgage payments most doctors somehow seem to live upper middle class lifestyles.


The best part is that the article goes on to quote the doctor as saying that he's been making less and less over the years.  "I used to get paid in peas and pies, but now I make even less!"
 
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