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(SFGate)   Arizona decides that the best way to fight gun violence is to just give people guns free of charge. What could possibly go wrong   (sfgate.com) divider line 41
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2013-03-29 04:03:59 PM
It's worth a shot.
 
2013-03-29 04:08:17 PM
i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2013-03-29 04:18:40 PM
Come on, Subby....you made it sound like their state government was giving away free firearms.
 
2013-03-29 04:22:22 PM

The_Sponge: Come on, Subby....you made it sound like their state government was giving away free firearms.


Misleading gun-related headline? On my Fark? Say it ain't so!
 
2013-03-29 04:22:34 PM
provide residents in crime-prone areas with free shotguns so they can defend themselves against criminals

Joe Biden approves.
 
2013-03-29 04:23:04 PM
Wonder where the group giving away free fire extinguishers, AEDs and first aid kits are. You know, if we're interested in saving lots of people.


/owns guns
 
2013-03-29 04:25:59 PM
Having a gun at your home when you are not there does not farking help.

Most homes are burglarized when no one is there. Criminals, in general, don't want to steal from your house while you are asleep in bed no matter what the NRA will scare you into believing.

Getting better locks on your house and making sure your house is locked up tight will do lots lots more to protect your shiat from getting stolen and won't kill someone else living there which happens with guns.
 
2013-03-29 04:26:09 PM

jigger: provide residents in crime-prone areas with free shotguns so they can defend themselves against criminals

Joe Biden approves.


Just fire two blasts.
 
2013-03-29 04:26:29 PM
So a local mayor is wanting to provide free shotguns to single women and homeowners in high crime areas as a deterrent for the amount of break-ins those areas are facing. Honestly, this does not seem like a bad program. It might even be a good program if they include some training on how to operate the shotguns and when to use them as a prop and when to actually pull the trigger.

Probably a better program would be to use that money to step up a stronger police presence in the area to prevent the need for guns in the first place.
 
2013-03-29 04:27:14 PM

Corvus: Having a gun at your home when you are not there does not farking help.

Most homes are burglarized when no one is there. Criminals, in general, don't want to steal from your house while you are asleep in bed no matter what the NRA will scare you into believing.

Getting better locks on your house and making sure your house is locked up tight will do lots lots more to protect your shiat from getting stolen and won't kill someone else living there which happens with guns.


Come out here to the country were just about every house is armed. They don't even bother to lock their doors when they aren't home.
 
2013-03-29 04:27:32 PM

Coolfusis: Wonder where the group giving away free fire extinguishers, AEDs and first aid kits are. You know, if we're interested in saving lots of people.


/owns guns


Or giving people a review on the their house of the locks and security of windows and doors.
 
2013-03-29 04:28:18 PM

Rethin: Corvus: Having a gun at your home when you are not there does not farking help.

Most homes are burglarized when no one is there. Criminals, in general, don't want to steal from your house while you are asleep in bed no matter what the NRA will scare you into believing.

Getting better locks on your house and making sure your house is locked up tight will do lots lots more to protect your shiat from getting stolen and won't kill someone else living there which happens with guns.

Come out here to the country were just about every house is armed. They don't even bother to lock their doors when they aren't home.


Because they are afraid the guns magically will go off by themselves? Sounds like they are pretty stupid out there.
 
2013-03-29 04:28:44 PM
Guns, guns, guns!
 
2013-03-29 04:30:57 PM

Rethin: Corvus: Having a gun at your home when you are not there does not farking help.

Most homes are burglarized when no one is there. Criminals, in general, don't want to steal from your house while you are asleep in bed no matter what the NRA will scare you into believing.

Getting better locks on your house and making sure your house is locked up tight will do lots lots more to protect your shiat from getting stolen and won't kill someone else living there which happens with guns.

Come out here to the country were just about every house is armed. They don't even bother to lock their doors when they aren't home.


Funny I don't consider Tokyo the country and I thought there wasn't much gun ownership in Japan.  Learn something new on Fark everyday I guess.
 
2013-03-29 04:31:15 PM
Maybe I could make the shotgun my daily carry. How to conceal it, however ... hrm.
 
2013-03-29 04:31:17 PM

Corvus: Rethin: Corvus: Having a gun at your home when you are not there does not farking help.

Most homes are burglarized when no one is there. Criminals, in general, don't want to steal from your house while you are asleep in bed no matter what the NRA will scare you into believing.

Getting better locks on your house and making sure your house is locked up tight will do lots lots more to protect your shiat from getting stolen and won't kill someone else living there which happens with guns.

Come out here to the country were just about every house is armed. They don't even bother to lock their doors when they aren't home.

Because they are afraid the guns magically will go off by themselves? Sounds like they are pretty stupid out there.


Yes, that's it. Boy we are stupid.
 
2013-03-29 04:31:43 PM

Rethin: Corvus: Having a gun at your home when you are not there does not farking help.

Most homes are burglarized when no one is there. Criminals, in general, don't want to steal from your house while you are asleep in bed no matter what the NRA will scare you into believing.

Getting better locks on your house and making sure your house is locked up tight will do lots lots more to protect your shiat from getting stolen and won't kill someone else living there which happens with guns.

Come out here to the country were just about every house is armed. They don't even bother to lock their doors when they aren't home.


This is not true.  People in the country always lock their door when not at home because daytime burglary is a serious problem in rural areas.  It's popular because there aren't any neighbors to see the crime.   This has been true my entire life and is not a recent phenomenon.

My parents had their shiat robbed last year when they were at work and the robbers weren't able to make off with any of the guns because my father has a hidden safe for most of them, but in one case they missed the Mini-14 in the coat closet which was concealed with a piece of carpet.  Yes, my father stashes guns all over the house.  Pretty much any room you're in has a gun in it.
 
2013-03-29 04:31:49 PM
Unless the article forgot to mention the free gun safes, giving out guns as a response to break-ins? Might as well just hand out the guns directly to the burglars.

At least they're including trigger locks, which is good for the safety of homes with children, but trigger locks do jack shiat for mitigating burglary - they'll just drill it off when they're safely away.
 
2013-03-29 04:32:12 PM
Single mothers, eh? Well, as long as their getting training it should be OK...

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2013-03-29 04:32:28 PM

spongeboob: Rethin: Corvus: Having a gun at your home when you are not there does not farking help.

Most homes are burglarized when no one is there. Criminals, in general, don't want to steal from your house while you are asleep in bed no matter what the NRA will scare you into believing.

Getting better locks on your house and making sure your house is locked up tight will do lots lots more to protect your shiat from getting stolen and won't kill someone else living there which happens with guns.

Come out here to the country were just about every house is armed. They don't even bother to lock their doors when they aren't home.

Funny I don't consider Tokyo the country and I thought there wasn't much gun ownership in Japan.  Learn something new on Fark everyday I guess.


Not in Tokyo anymore. There, you learned something new.
 
2013-03-29 04:32:33 PM
"People don't want to confront an armed person at home," said Garen J. Wintemute, director of the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis. "But, separately, there is solid evidence that in communities with higher rates of gun ownership, burglary rates are up, not down, and that's because guns are hot loot."

Hey, maybe that'll be good for the black market economy.
 
2013-03-29 04:32:51 PM

Rethin: Corvus: Rethin: Corvus: Having a gun at your home when you are not there does not farking help.

Most homes are burglarized when no one is there. Criminals, in general, don't want to steal from your house while you are asleep in bed no matter what the NRA will scare you into believing.

Getting better locks on your house and making sure your house is locked up tight will do lots lots more to protect your shiat from getting stolen and won't kill someone else living there which happens with guns.

Come out here to the country were just about every house is armed. They don't even bother to lock their doors when they aren't home.

Because they are afraid the guns magically will go off by themselves? Sounds like they are pretty stupid out there.

Yes, that's it. Boy we are stupid.


I guess so. If you think guns protect you house when you are not there you sound very dumb to me.
 
2013-03-29 04:33:39 PM
What's the over/under on an accidental shooting?  I'd guess 30 days.
 
2013-03-29 04:33:45 PM
Wait why would a house need to be armed?
 
2013-03-29 04:34:50 PM
Also, I just noticed the guy's name is Wintermute.  That's awesome.
 
2013-03-29 04:36:31 PM

JollyMagistrate: So a local mayor is wanting to provide free shotguns to single women and homeowners in high crime areas as a deterrent for the amount of break-ins those areas are facing. Honestly, this does not seem like a bad program. It might even be a good program if they include some training on how to operate the shotguns and when to use them as a prop and when to actually pull the trigger.

Probably a better program would be to use that money to step up a stronger police presence in the area to prevent the need for guns in the first place.


Former mayoral candidate is behind this; it's a private effort.

I'll bet most of the shotgun recipients turn out to be Hispanic.  Whether they shoot themselves or criminals, it's a win.
 
2013-03-29 04:37:57 PM
There are people in Arizona who don't already have guns? Learn something new every damn day.
 
2013-03-29 04:38:45 PM

Corvus: Rethin: Corvus: Having a gun at your home when you are not there does not farking help.

Most homes are burglarized when no one is there. Criminals, in general, don't want to steal from your house while you are asleep in bed no matter what the NRA will scare you into believing.

Getting better locks on your house and making sure your house is locked up tight will do lots lots more to protect your shiat from getting stolen and won't kill someone else living there which happens with guns.

Come out here to the country were just about every house is armed. They don't even bother to lock their doors when they aren't home.

Because they are afraid the guns magically will go off by themselves? Sounds like they are pretty stupid out there.


Well, the rural vs. urban thing is just plain silly. Theft in rural environments is less common because there is more space between targets and less likelihood of getting consistent, and undetected, payoffs. You can't easily canvas a location or assess if it is worth hitting without being noticed because everyone knows everyone, and people are more aware of when someone is acting odd or is new. If there were no guns in rural America crime rates would stay about the same because the risks are still higher and the opportunities for success lower.

The idea of the gun ownership in urban environments is that the potential of someone being home and armed is a very plausible thing. That said, Corvis is right in that if you know someone isn't home it still won't really help all that much. This might be more valuable as a self-preservation deterrent for the single women to avoid home invasions for non-theft reasons (rape, murder, etc).

Honestly, though, the best way to stop theft is to increase police presence. Having officers change patterns to step up presence in an area will greatly reduce theft, especially if they are on random patterns. If you are just moving cops from area to area, all you end up with is a new gap in coverage where crime will pick up, so really you just need to increase your presence across the board. The reason why this is a problem in Sunbelt areas more than more dense cities is that Suburban sprawl is expensive to keep safe due to the increased distances and logistics. Keeping a few streets of dense structures, complete with doormen and local precients is considerably easier by officer than with acres of single family homes spread out over hundreds of square miles.

So there isn't really an easy solution. Will this work? Probably a bit. Will it stop crime in the area? Probably not in-and-of-itself.
 
2013-03-29 04:39:13 PM
Arizona.  The new Florida.
 
2013-03-29 04:40:02 PM

Nadie_AZ: Maybe I could make the shotgun my daily carry. How to conceal it, however ... hrm.


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2013-03-29 04:40:35 PM

Corvus: Rethin: Corvus: Rethin: Corvus: Having a gun at your home when you are not there does not farking help.

Most homes are burglarized when no one is there. Criminals, in general, don't want to steal from your house while you are asleep in bed no matter what the NRA will scare you into believing.

Getting better locks on your house and making sure your house is locked up tight will do lots lots more to protect your shiat from getting stolen and won't kill someone else living there which happens with guns.

Come out here to the country were just about every house is armed. They don't even bother to lock their doors when they aren't home.

Because they are afraid the guns magically will go off by themselves? Sounds like they are pretty stupid out there.

Yes, that's it. Boy we are stupid.

I guess so. If you think guns protect you house when you are not there you sound very dumb to me.


It's almost as if gun issues are radically different in different parts of the country.
 
2013-03-29 04:41:56 PM
JollyMagistrate:

Well, the rural vs. urban thing is just plain silly. Theft in rural environments is less common because there is more space between targets and less likelihood of getting consistent, and undetected, payoffs. You can't easily canvas a location or assess if it is worth hitting without being noticed because everyone knows everyone, and people are more aware of when someone is acting odd or is new. If there were no guns in rural America crime rates would stay about the same because the risks are still higher and the opportunities for success lower.

The idea of the gun ownership in urban environments is that the potential of someone being home and armed is a very plausible thing. That said, Corvis is right in that if you know someone isn't home it still won't really help all that much. This might be more valuable as a self-preservation deterrent for the single women to avoid home invasions for non-theft reasons (rape, murder, etc).

Honestly, though, the best way to stop theft is to increase police presence. Having officers change patterns to step up presence in an area will greatly reduce theft, especially if they are on random patterns. If you are just moving cops from area to area, all you end up with is a new gap in coverage whe ...


Here you go being all reasonable in the middle of a kneejerk flame war.
 
2013-03-29 04:42:16 PM

MisterRonbo: What's the over/under on an accidental shooting?  I'd guess 30 days.


*rimshot*
 
2013-03-29 04:43:16 PM
But remember -- Obama was dead wrong and insulting to boot when he said people would get bitter and cling to their guns.
 
2013-03-29 04:44:11 PM

spongeboob: Nadie_AZ: Maybe I could make the shotgun my daily carry. How to conceal it, however ... hrm.

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That might work. Nobody would notice me carrying anything!
 
2013-03-29 04:44:54 PM
Are you people this worried about armed police?  You know those uniforms don't magically make them into better shots or better people, right?
 
2013-03-29 04:46:06 PM

spongeboob: Nadie_AZ: Maybe I could make the shotgun my daily carry. How to conceal it, however ... hrm.

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It's not just a jacket.  It's a duster.
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2013-03-29 04:47:49 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: You know those uniforms don't magically make them into better shots


Considerably worse according to newspaper delivery women in Torrence, CA and bystanders in NYC.
 
2013-03-29 04:58:36 PM

Calmamity: BraveNewCheneyWorld: You know those uniforms don't magically make them into better shots

Considerably worse according to newspaper delivery women in Torrence, CA and bystanders in NYC.


That's the funny thing, police know they won't face any penalty if they shoot innocent bystanders so they have no incentive to care.  Citizens on the other hand, aren't given the same level of immunity even if their life is threatened, so they have every incentive to be as careful as possible.
 
2013-03-29 04:59:58 PM

Rethin: JollyMagistrate:

Well, the rural vs. urban thing is just plain silly. Theft in rural environments is less common because there is more space between targets and less likelihood of getting consistent, and undetected, payoffs. You can't easily canvas a location or assess if it is worth hitting without being noticed because everyone knows everyone, and people are more aware of when someone is acting odd or is new. If there were no guns in rural America crime rates would stay about the same because the risks are still higher and the opportunities for success lower.

The idea of the gun ownership in urban environments is that the potential of someone being home and armed is a very plausible thing. That said, Corvis is right in that if you know someone isn't home it still won't really help all that much. This might be more valuable as a self-preservation deterrent for the single women to avoid home invasions for non-theft reasons (rape, murder, etc).

Honestly, though, the best way to stop theft is to increase police presence. Having officers change patterns to step up presence in an area will greatly reduce theft, especially if they are on random patterns. If you are just moving cops from area to area, all you end up with is a new gap in coverage whe ...

Here you go being all reasonable in the middle of a kneejerk flame war.


I'm just sick of people assuming everything is black and white on every issue, and biatching about it incessantly. If we actually talk about it and think about it, forums like this could probably contribute to greater awareness of the issues and perception of different stances.

That said, this thread will become a thinly veiled "0bama's takin mai gunz!" vs "Gun NAZIS want to SHOOT YOUR CHILDREN" argument, if it hasn't already become so.
 
2013-03-29 05:55:27 PM

Nadie_AZ: spongeboob: Nadie_AZ: Maybe I could make the shotgun my daily carry. How to conceal it, however ... hrm.

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That might work. Nobody would notice me carrying anything!


How about this then
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