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(BBC)   Signs things may be getting out of hand on the Korean Peninsula, #67: even Russia says, 'damn, dudes, back it up a notch'   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 82
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2013-03-29 02:35:16 PM
4 votes:
What a North Korean attack on the US mainland would look like:
news.bbcimg.co.uk

What a US attack on North Korea would look like:
cdn.dipity.com

I'm not seeing the problem here.
2013-03-29 01:56:47 PM
4 votes:
The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.
Pud [TotalFark]
2013-03-29 01:37:28 PM
4 votes:
The problem is not the N. Korean people. They are too busy just trying to find a tree with enough bark on it left to eat. The problem is the leadership that has been treated with this god-like reverence that is sure to go to their head. The real concern is that Kim Jong-un actually feels that he could simply fire a few missiles at those he doesn't like and they will simply go away. After all. He's all that, and a bagel with cream cheese. Our response could never touch them, for he is Kim Jong-un. Resistance is futile.
2013-03-29 02:50:07 PM
3 votes:
What's so sad is that everyone knows Best Korea has no chance of gaining anything from this. If they launch a full scale attack, they are going to kill thousands of people and in return, thousands more will be killed on their side. What little crumbling infrastructure they have will be wiped out.

It will be a quick, horrible, bloody mess with years of humanitarian efforts that will barely help anyone survive. Not to mention the years of psychological treatment that will be required to un-brainwash Best Korea's masses.

All those deaths will be for absolutely nothing. No one will be liberated, and no one will be rescued. It's not even as if anyone will gain any massive supply of any natural resources. It will be a total, colossal waste and I feel sorry for everyone over there. That fat little pig will have his temper tantrum and never realize how many lives he has destroyed.
2013-03-29 02:26:26 PM
3 votes:
IF NK starts some shiat, I hope we allow them just a moment to realize how farked they are before unleashing hell.
2013-03-29 01:58:55 PM
3 votes:

mr_a: To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.


If they do that, they've got everyone else in North Korea to worry about.
It'd be like if you knew someone who had a really bad situation at home, but you don't want to offer to let them crash at your place because you know they'd never ever leave.
2013-03-29 03:44:39 PM
2 votes:
I forget that 30 years ago we in the West were worried about mutual annihilation via nuclear weapons. It's amazing how quickly mindsets can change.

Having said that, I'm amazed at how fast behavior and mindset can change in Asia. The explosion in Communist China is farking amazing.  But what fascinates me is the speed at which barbarism can be swept into a people then disappear. The fascinating thing to me about Japanese treatment of prisoners in WWII isn't that they were so barbaric. It's that in the previous world war, Japan treated her German prisoners of war with respect. There is still German culture in Japan from that POW internment.

Jump ahead 15 years or so and you have organized rape squads, systematic cannibalism, starvation, working prisoners to death, germ warfare experiments. Jump ahead another 15 years and you have Sony in a demilitarized Japan.

One documentary I watched talked about how the Japanese military expanded so greatly in numbers so quickly in time, there was no way to bring the soldiers along with conventional training philosophies. They needed so many soldiers so quickly, the military leadership relied on violence against their own soldiers as a training technique. And if you treat your own soldiers violently, it's hard to preach respect for the enemy or for innocent civilians.
2013-03-29 03:43:29 PM
2 votes:
PS:

I'm actually not sure that this craziness is Fatty DingDong's own doing. He's been outside of the Tragic Kingdom during his college years. He's seen with his own eyes that the rest of the world isn't anything like in the propaganda. He knows what would happen if they attack outside the DMZ.

I suspect the REAL dicks behind these actions are Fatty's uncles in the military, using their big-boned nephew as a figurehead.
2013-03-29 03:34:13 PM
2 votes:

PunGent: Oh no, that's wrong...quite a few Farkers have assured me North Korea is absolutely no threat, and SK can handle them within a week.

There won't even be any broken windows in Seoul!


Please name those people / posts.

There's a difference between saying "the threat of North Korean artillery is greatly exaggerated" and saying "no windows would be broken."    That claim is just as false as the claim Seoul would be wiped out completely.

The fact is that a *lot* of the North Korean artillery positions are fake and the ones that aren't are decades old, poorly maintained, never been fired, crewed by men who may have never fired a live round in years or ever.  On top of that, they'd face counter battery fire by foes with some of the best artillery, radar, and fire control systems in the world who are highly trained and have mapped out a lot of the enemy positions.    And that's ignoring the South's complete air superiority.

NK's only advantage is that it might take some time to sort out the fake/non-working artillery positions from the live ones and that they'd be firing into a large city (that's assuming they decide to ignore the South Korean's positions entirely).  Yes there would be civilian casualties but it would hardly be a slaughter.
2013-03-29 03:19:47 PM
2 votes:

Precision Boobery: It's good to know world leaders and prominent diplomats have as much sense as the below-average forum poster.

Don't feed the trolls.  It's a pretty farking simple rule.



So are you saying that we should display no signs of aggression in response to his threats to attack the US? I think that is a terrible idea.

I don't think we should preemptively attack everyone we disagree with around the globe, but allowing countries to make empty threats of nuclear attack is not okay.

This is not feeding a troll. This is making a statement to the world at large. I am a liberal, but I would never claim we should just let NK's threats go without response.
2013-03-29 03:01:32 PM
2 votes:

Atheist_Republican: Until he actually starts firing rockets, I'm of the opinion that he's just doing this to get everyone worked up on purpose, to see how far he can go. Then he'll be like, "Okay guys, I'll back down, but you need to send me a LOT of money."


NK policy is entirely based on that. The problem is, Kim Jong-Un's new at the job. He doesn't quite have the technique of 'threaten to the brink of war but don't actually trigger it' down. Kim Il-Sung never had to do it because China and the Soviet Union helped prop him up. Kim Jong-Il had to because the Soviet Union collapsed, but he had the technique pegged. Kim Jong-Un has no idea where the Rubicon is and he's finding out the hard way that he doesn't know.
2013-03-29 02:51:23 PM
2 votes:
Oh, fark it.

The the big-ass military afterburners just kicked in at the Sky Harbor base. I haven't heard those during the day in a long time.

Fark it. Just go blow the farking world up.

/Asia for Asians. Most of this crap is based on ancient face problems topped off with a delicate layer of European colonial bullshiat
2013-03-29 02:47:58 PM
2 votes:

neongoats: I can't wait until some forum genius starts pants shiatting about container ships. It always happens in these NK threads.


I searched the last 3 Korea threads and the only person mentioning container ships is you, forum genius.
2013-03-29 02:47:24 PM
2 votes:
If NK uses nuclear weapons, why would you assume that we'd retaliate in kind? The US has more than enough conventional weapons to seriously ruin their day, and we could do so without screwing up our relationship with our allies-du-jour.
2013-03-29 02:46:52 PM
2 votes:

Rev. Skarekroe: If they do that, they've got everyone else in North Korea to worry about.
It'd be like if you knew someone who had a really bad situation at home, but you don't want to offer to let them crash at your place because you know they'd never ever leave.


Which is really kind of a mistaken belief. North Korean refugees' ultimate destination is South Korea, not China. They simply have to go through China because the DMZ forces them to take the long way around.
2013-03-29 02:41:03 PM
2 votes:
I wish everyone would stop acting like it's our decision whether to go to war with North Korea.  Yes, their rhetoric is directed at us, but it's the South Koreans that will do all the dying.  We should defer to them completely.  Otherwise it becomes "Let's you and him fight."  Our troops would have some deaths of course but the South Korean army and civilians will have losses 100 times ours.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-29 02:26:15 PM
2 votes:
I can't get too worried about it.  NK simply doesn't have the firepower to win a war.  The only reason they are a problem is that they are close to South Korean population centers and they could do a lot of damage before they went down.

Their air force still uses MiG-17s and MiG-19s.
2013-03-29 02:24:36 PM
2 votes:

I_Am_Weasel: First step for North Korean Generals.   Reduce the size of your caps..


They can't.  That's where they stash the extra rations they receive.
2013-03-29 02:24:29 PM
2 votes:
As a gen-Xer, I'm delighted to see the US and Russia agree on anything.
2013-03-29 02:20:13 PM
2 votes:
I thought that it was very interesting that when China gave its usual "We call on all sides to reduce tension" statement on this, they were very careful to not criticize the US's B-2 flyover that seems to have led to this latest temper tantrum by Kim Jong Fattie.

There's absolutely no way anyone can side with North Korea on this, and it sounds like China is as tired of their shiat as anyone else.
2013-03-29 02:19:22 PM
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Does anyone really think that Jung Un has any real power?


I'm pretty sure Kimg Jong Un does.
2013-03-29 02:07:05 PM
2 votes:
True enough- the last thing China wants is a couple million NK refugees.

OTOH, China has gotten rich on international trade between S Korea, Japan, Taiwan, HK, and the US. I would imagine the next-to-last thing they want is some madman to screw that up.
2013-03-29 01:54:28 PM
2 votes:
Un-coming
www.tucsonsentinel.com
2013-03-30 01:13:25 AM
1 votes:

OgreMagi: orclover: Or would the Japanese do what almost always tend to do, and kick it up a notch.

I disagree there.  The Japanese soldiers in WW2 were a bit behind the times in their weaponry.  The standard issue rifle was an overly heavy piece of shiat.  Of course, that might have been due to them growing their military far too quickly to properly equip them (thank goodness).  Even so, you'd think they would have made some effort to improve the equipment as the war dragged on.


farm5.staticflickr.com
WWII Japanese being led by a Imperial Shogonate

today
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i.telegraph.co.uk
www.gadgetmadness.com
This is them just doing minor civilian applications, and their shiat works.  Theres a few thousand pictures of what they have accomplished with robotics.  American robotic technology is amazing.  The japanese robotic technology advances have easily kept up with ours.
in very terrifying ways....
www.cbc.ca
...and thats them just farking around.

At some point with all the regional conflict Japan may get scared.  If they gets scared, they may get angry.  Japan angry and focused on other countries may push technology forward a hundred years very very quickly.  We may also start to run out of other asians.
2013-03-29 10:38:35 PM
1 votes:
I found Li'l Kim's secret plans.

2.bp.blogspot.com
2013-03-29 06:29:55 PM
1 votes:

This text is now purple: Popular Opinion: This text is now purple: Cer10Death: Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

What in God's name are you talking about? American poor struggle with obesity. It's like the textbook definition of first-world problems.

what are you talking about?
many kids go to bed hungry in this country.
i feed lots of them at an outreach center every week.

That's not an absence of food. That's not even an unwillingness to feed the needy.

There will always be people who go without, even under the most stringent conditions of oversight and forced supply. People go hungry in armies and in prisons.

Besides -- look at your last line. There are many places to find food for little or nothing. Do you know anyone who has resorted to eating grass (out of need, not because, you know, young bamboo is tasty)? Do you think any Best Korean's don't know someone doing that?


unfortunately, I don't believe all of the country's poor or hungry live close to a shelter, outreach center or food bank.

maybe if all the athiests on fark who bash religion and claim to help the poor actually helped people instead of just claiming to....there would be a lot less hungry kids.
jmo
2013-03-29 05:38:05 PM
1 votes:

Pud: The problem is not the N. Korean people. They are too busy just trying to find a tree with enough bark on it left to eat. The problem is the leadership that has been treated with this god-like reverence that is sure to go to their head. The real concern is that Kim Jong-un actually feels that he could simply fire a few missiles at those he doesn't like and they will simply go away. After all. He's all that, and a bagel with cream cheese. Our response could never touch them, for he is Kim Jong-un. Resistance is futile.

China

FTFY
2013-03-29 04:50:08 PM
1 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: The last thing we need is our great warrior/community activist president getting us into another costly war. It's just the kind of stupidity we've come to expect from this thin-skinned, chickenhawk chickensh*t and I bet he's chomping at the bit to jump right in if things go south. As citizens and taxpayers, we must make it a priority to strip war powers from both the president and the congress. All foreign military actions must be paid with war bonds, not tax money, just like World War II. If the people don't support the action and don't buy the bonds, there's no money to fight, and no war. And if our divisive little sh*thead of a president stirs up the usual liberal idiots enough to actually get us involved somewhere, all it will take to get us out is a shift in popular opinion. If we had this model in Iraq, I'm guessing we would have been out after only a couple of years. But the bottom line is this: No tax money for foreign wars!


This post is from ten years ago. None of it pertains to right now but it works well for Bush/Iraq.
2013-03-29 04:28:21 PM
1 votes:

Popular Opinion: This text is now purple: Cer10Death: Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

What in God's name are you talking about? American poor struggle with obesity. It's like the textbook definition of first-world problems.

what are you talking about?
many kids go to bed hungry in this country.
i feed lots of them at an outreach center every week.


Somebody has already covered this.  The USofA could easily feed every person 3 square meals a day of healthy food.  Provide every single person with comfortable local weather appropriate clothing to any who need it and healthcare to cover all emergency and comfortable quality of lief medical problems up to and including vision and dental.   The USA can do this, easily, without raising taxes even.
We as a country choose not to.  Its a choice.  Never forget that.
2013-03-29 04:07:14 PM
1 votes:

This text is now purple: Cer10Death: Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

What in God's name are you talking about? American poor struggle with obesity. It's like the textbook definition of first-world problems.


what are you talking about?
many kids go to bed hungry in this country.
i feed lots of them at an outreach center every week.
2013-03-29 04:03:55 PM
1 votes:

Cer10Death: I blame Obama. But then again, I blame Obama for just about everything and I mean everything. Before him, I blamed Bush and before him, Clinton. See how that goes?

Oh, I blame Congress on everything too. Just seems like the thing to do.


I realize you probably meant that the other way 'round, but upon reflection, I find your actual phrasing more insightful.

"The local news reported record high levels of Congress in the water tables."
"A new device designed for detecting Congress on interplanetary bodies was launched today."
"Dammit!  How the hell did we get all this Congress in the air ducts?"

:-)
2013-03-29 04:01:03 PM
1 votes:
2013-03-29 04:00:57 PM
1 votes:

TV's Vinnie: PS:

I'm actually not sure that this craziness is Fatty DingDong's own doing. He's been outside of the Tragic Kingdom during his college years. He's seen with his own eyes that the rest of the world isn't anything like in the propaganda. He knows what would happen if they attack outside the DMZ.

I suspect the REAL dicks behind these actions are Fatty's uncles in the military, using their big-boned nephew as a figurehead.


Pretty much what I'm figuring.  Much like the Emperor of Japan during World War II, he might have authority, but mostly he's along for the ride.  You pretty much figure that their old equipment isn't going to get replaced, they have the missiles they think will wipe out their enemies or at least ruin their week, and with a population that is slowly starving to death slowly while their neighbors to the south live well, it's pretty much now or never.
2013-03-29 03:55:28 PM
1 votes:

SithLord: TheShavingofOccam123: Gosh, if Best Korea pulls a Serbia and shoots down a B2, do you think they'll be nice and return the nuclear weapons from our bomber?

I don't think they can see our stealth bombers at night.  They have a hard enough time seeing in the daylight as it is.


Because you can blindfold them with dental floss?

/**ducks**
2013-03-29 03:47:25 PM
1 votes:

TV's Vinnie: PS:

I'm actually not sure that this craziness is Fatty DingDong's own doing. He's been outside of the Tragic Kingdom during his college years. He's seen with his own eyes that the rest of the world isn't anything like in the propaganda. He knows what would happen if they attack outside the DMZ.

I suspect the REAL dicks behind these actions are Fatty's uncles in the military, using their big-boned nephew as a figurehead.


This.
2013-03-29 03:47:00 PM
1 votes:

Cer10Death: angrymonday: They cannot feed their people, cannot win a war. My conspiracy theory:
This is a ploy to for the US to get involved so dear leader can open up the society via defeat. They accept the help of the US to rebuild and emulate the south. It's so stupid it just might work.

Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.


No no... we CAN... we just choose not to do it.
2013-03-29 03:41:46 PM
1 votes:

JonPace: Some of you people actually believe North Korea has nukes?


i5.photobucket.com
2013-03-29 03:30:15 PM
1 votes:

Fribble: wxboy: Fribble: I would bet B-2's for SEAD only. If it gets real real we'll send the birds

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I don't know.  We might save the real good stuff for a more formidable enemy.  No need to waste valuable ICBMs when the B2's are probably nearly invulnerable to whatever NK has got anyway.  Also an airstrike could provide even more surprise if done properly, meaning we could just go after the NK leadership structure without having to carpet-nuke the place.

I think the risk of exposure is too great for a B-2 nuclear mission. Deterrent from SLBM or ICBM means the B-2 is free to perform SEAD while we create a strike package for the "bunkered" artillery.

Honestly I highly doubt we would need to use boomers against North Korea. This will create quite an issue with the other party to START and may be too politically "radioactive" to occur.


images.military.com

Hai guyz.  What's happening in this thread?  You have a bit of a tactical dilemna?  Maybe I can help.

tn.sawfnews.com

Say hello to my little friend.
2013-03-29 03:28:54 PM
1 votes:

pyrotek85: mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.

This. They usually show a flat map and not a globe, so this is less obvious when you're not studying closely. It just makes their threats even more absurd. What are they targeting in Alaska anyway? We have cities there but they're hardly striking at the heart of the USA.


It doesn't matter why they are targeting Alaska, it is the consequences that are truly frightening.  Do you remember what happened when we lost our collective shiat because a group of jackasses killed about 3,000 people by flying a few planes into three buildings?  What on earth do you suppose would happen if this clown killed 30,000 by bombing the city of Anchorage?
2013-03-29 03:27:57 PM
1 votes:

ransack.: theorellior: ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle

I've usually heard "circle".

A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester


It's usually circle. It's used in Logic. I looked up references and vicious circle has its own wikipedia page (economics) and although vicious cycle has an entry in the dictionary it's very short compared with vicious circle which fills up the whole page.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vicious+circle
2013-03-29 03:26:44 PM
1 votes:

Mighty_Joe: neongoats: I can't wait until some forum genius starts pants shiatting about container ships. It always happens in these NK threads.

I searched the last 3 Korea threads and the only person mentioning container ships is you, forum genius.


Oh, snappage.
2013-03-29 03:26:31 PM
1 votes:

Resident Muslim: I find this thread confusing:

1) High activity at missile sites = saber-rattling. Flying planes over NK/aircraft carriers/ Military exercises at SK= just business as usual
2) we want peace = keep sending more military in that area and freaking the NKs out
3) poor NK people dying of hunger = let's go ahead and nuke NK.

I'm missing something, just not sure what.


We DO want peace.  Hell, SK want reunification.

NORTH Korea started the last war over there, and has shown no sign of even wanting to sign a formal peace treaty since then.
2013-03-29 03:25:17 PM
1 votes:
Ah, scaled nuclear war.  The notion that if we decimate the entire planet, that 2,000 years later when things start to lose their toxicity and the mutated vegetation re-emerges that whoever is still around to sweep up the ashes has won.  If our species are the smart ones, god help us.
2013-03-29 03:17:14 PM
1 votes:

Man On Pink Corner: another cultural observer: The the big-ass military afterburners just kicked in at the Sky Harbor base. I haven't heard those during the day in a long time. ... If the Stratotankers all take off, let us know.

I guess the idea of S'ing TFU about military activities and troop movements is pre-Dan Rather thinking.


I am not North Korean Intelligence.  I am American.  Baseball!  Mickey Mouse!
2013-03-29 03:12:12 PM
1 votes:

another cultural observer: The the big-ass military afterburners just kicked in at the Sky Harbor base. I haven't heard those during the day in a long time. ... If the Stratotankers all take off, let us know.


I guess the idea of S'ing TFU about military activities and troop movements is pre-Dan Rather thinking.
2013-03-29 03:10:49 PM
1 votes:
It's a strategic nightmare that Seoul is some 30 miles from the border - within conventional artillery range of Best Korea.  There would be a lot of people killed and massive economic damage if Best Korea went into a suicidal rage.  Seoul wouldn't be destroyed; it'd just be a huge mess for a long while.  Well, that is, unless the Norks can detonate a nuke there, which is very unlikely.
2013-03-29 03:09:23 PM
1 votes:
Best Korea has no chance of winning a war.  But they can do some major damage to Seol in the 24 to 72 hours they would exist after they started shooting.  They have something like 10,000 heavy artillary pieces that could be fired at Seol.  Even if they only got off one or two barrages, the damage and loss of life would be significant.  If they sent all of the soldiers across the border, they would overwhelm the forces in place to stop them.  Then they'd run out of supplies and be farked.  It would be a  hail marry pass that has no chance of sucess.  But the North Koreans might just be crazy enough to try it.

/I'm ignoring anything China might do
2013-03-29 03:08:11 PM
1 votes:

mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.


....Come to think of it, if Russia takes it as an act of war, that'd make it a real damn short one...

/They're lunatics with vodka, they can probably curbstomp as well as we can.
2013-03-29 03:03:18 PM
1 votes:

Fribble: I would bet B-2's for SEAD only. If it gets real real we'll send the birds

[www.nationalmuseum.af.mil image 850x686]
[image.rvmagonline.com image 850x1133]


I don't know.  We might save the real good stuff for a more formidable enemy.  No need to waste valuable ICBMs when the B2's are probably nearly invulnerable to whatever NK has got anyway.  Also an airstrike could provide even more surprise if done properly, meaning we could just go after the NK leadership structure without having to carpet-nuke the place.
2013-03-29 03:03:14 PM
1 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: The last thing we need is our great warrior/community activist president getting us into another costly war. It's just the kind of stupidity we've come to expect from this thin-skinned, chickenhawk chickensh*t and I bet he's chomping at the bit to jump right in if things go south. As citizens and taxpayers, we must make it a priority to strip war powers from both the president and the congress. All foreign military actions must be paid with war bonds, not tax money, just like World War II. If the people don't support the action and don't buy the bonds, there's no money to fight, and no war. And if our divisive little sh*thead of a president stirs up the usual liberal idiots enough to actually get us involved somewhere, all it will take to get us out is a shift in popular opinion. If we had this model in Iraq, I'm guessing we would have been out after only a couple of years. But the bottom line is this: No tax money for foreign wars!


There are some wars that you don't get to decide when they start or who you're fighting. NK launches a missile at your stuff, guess what? You're at war now whether you farking like it or not.
2013-03-29 03:02:45 PM
1 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: The B2 bomber can deliver at least the following nuclear weapons:

B-83 bomb: yields 1.2 megatons (75 times the power of the Little Boy), weighs 2400 pounds
B-61 bomb: yields 340 kilotons, weighs 700 pounds

It's capable of carrying 40,000 pounds of weapons. It can't deliver that weight in nuclear weapons, apparently.



Its a size thing, not a weight thing. Conventional explosives are pretty dense, thus small for their weight. A nuclear device is actually a machine that explodes, so it takes up far more volume for less weight than a conventional weapon.
2013-03-29 02:56:51 PM
1 votes:

Fubegra: nekom: Russia has some investments in Best Korea, some railroad lines and such but it's not much.  They also exploit cheap Best Korean labor, sort of how we exploit cheap illegal Mexican immigrant labor, except in their case it's strictly controlled and they all return home when they are done with them.  I don't think they have TOO awful much invested, so I sort of see Russia as a bystander in all of this.

Yup. There are even North Korean work camps set up in the Russian wilderness (warning: autoplay video) where the laborers are quite likely to not even realize they're outside of Best Korea. Even if they do, they can't do much about it.


What is autoplay video?  Oh you mean stuff for people that don't run flashblock.  Silly people.
2013-03-29 02:56:26 PM
1 votes:
Until he actually starts firing rockets, I'm of the opinion that he's just doing this to get everyone worked up on purpose, to see how far he can go. Then he'll be like, "Okay guys, I'll back down, but you need to send me a LOT of money."
2013-03-29 02:54:22 PM
1 votes:
I would bet B-2's for SEAD only. If it gets real real we'll send the birds

www.nationalmuseum.af.mil
image.rvmagonline.com
2013-03-29 02:52:19 PM
1 votes:

another cultural observer: We've already paid for the nukes....it'd actually represent a cost savings to use one.


And that sentence, that, is precisely why every single flag on every piece of dirt on this planet is going to end up in he museum of not getting it.
2013-03-29 02:51:35 PM
1 votes:

vudukungfu: We should just announce publicly that China has decided to nuke them if they get out of hand.
That should take care of it.
NK will freak, and try to nuke China,
China will turn NK into an open mine pit.


And then send us a fancy thank you card for making them do it?  NO.
2013-03-29 02:50:26 PM
1 votes:

nekom: Russia has some investments in Best Korea, some railroad lines and such but it's not much.  They also exploit cheap Best Korean labor, sort of how we exploit cheap illegal Mexican immigrant labor, except in their case it's strictly controlled and they all return home when they are done with them.  I don't think they have TOO awful much invested, so I sort of see Russia as a bystander in all of this.


Yup. There are even North Korean work camps set up in the Russian wilderness (warning: autoplay video) where the laborers are quite likely to not even realize they're outside of Best Korea. Even if they do, they can't do much about it.
2013-03-29 02:50:11 PM
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Ambitwistor: TheShavingofOccam123: The B2 bomber can deliver at least the following nuclear weapons: [...]

I would say Best Korea is going to start something that will mushroom out of control.


Should have been an "I see what you did there" pic ...
2013-03-29 02:49:43 PM
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tinyarena: I'm not seeing the problem here.


I do. Try to remember that Seoul is within range of a whole mess 'o artillery.  No matter what happens, there is no way that this conflict would go down without many, many innocents getting killed.
2013-03-29 02:47:07 PM
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Kim Jong Un is a classic trustafarian blowhard and he is kitting up to pork the pooch.  The only end game I can think of is that once we  have taken a huge f*cking eraser to every square millimeter of his ass backwards country, we'll be obliged to rebuild it.  Don't just blow this fool off, though, because he is the most dangerous sort of fool.  He believes everything that he says.
2013-03-29 02:44:39 PM
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CleanAndPure: Most likely N. Korea is bluffing but that doesn't mean there is no danger. The more tension there is, the more likely some mid level officer from either side will make a mistake and panic ordering an attack when a flock of seagulls fly past their radars.


Sure N.K will lose but millions of S.Ks will die and quite likely scores of thousands of Americans.

There will certainly be a severe recession and another huge war debt for our kids to pay.


That all depends. If NK leads with any attempt of using a nuke they will be rendered irrelevant before any American is dead. SK could get hit with some damage though before NK becomes a sad part of history.
2013-03-29 02:38:06 PM
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ha-ha-guy: hubiestubert: It's times like these you have to wonder if folks are regretting dialing the Japanese military back.

Then again, in the prelude to their entry into WWII, the Yakuza were employed to assassinate the Korean Empress, but then again, the Yakuza are more and more at the street level are employing a lot of Korean immigrants, and are sort of profitting with the tensions and smuggling and with drugs. Then again, full blown war would disrupt a LOT of their business too, so asking them for a few favors on clearing up the mess over there might be floated...

Dialing back?  Globally it is a Top 5 military.  It;s only real weakness is a lack of logstics and that doesn't matter much with America helping out and and the fact they're fighting in their back yard.


It's not a "military", that would be unconstitutional!  It's a Self Defense Police Force!

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STOP! POLICE!
2013-03-29 02:37:59 PM
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LOL

CNN article "Will China finally 'bite' North Korea?" appears as if the author read one of our recent NK threads drew upon some of our musings to write an article.

Jennifer Lind, what's your Fark handle?
2013-03-29 02:37:33 PM
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The B2 bomber can deliver at least the following nuclear weapons:

B-83 bomb: yields 1.2 megatons (75 times the power of the Little Boy), weighs 2400 pounds
B-61 bomb: yields 340 kilotons, weighs 700 pounds

It's capable of carrying 40,000 pounds of weapons. It can't deliver that weight in nuclear weapons, apparently.

I would say Best Korea is going to start something that will mushroom out of control. I'm not sure how China would react to B2 bombers dropping multiple megaton nuclear bombs on 1. their ally and 2. their back yard.

Regarding point 2, same for Russia, Japan...

/since we live in a closed environmental system, we're pretty much bombing the US anyways.
2013-03-29 02:36:20 PM
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I still say tell China to control their insolence little child or NK will get slapped hard and that would make everyone nervous in the area. If China did not like having a provocateur so much they could just go in and take over the running of the best Korea with a puppet government to appease SK.
2013-03-29 02:33:08 PM
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I still say China will take care of them before we do.
2013-03-29 02:31:55 PM
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N. Korea is a stain on China's mattress.  The quicker we clean it up, the quicker we can coexist.
2013-03-29 02:31:02 PM
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I can't wait until some forum genius starts pants shiatting about container ships. It always happens in these NK threads.

"OMGz NK is gonna send us a container ship with a nuke hidden in it"

Because it's not like our intelligence community knows who, what, when, where, and why about every gram of weapon materiel they have. Oh wait, most likely they know everything down to how many ass hairs Un loses every time he takes a shiat.
2013-03-29 02:28:54 PM
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hubiestubert: It's times like these you have to wonder if folks are regretting dialing the Japanese military back.

Then again, in the prelude to their entry into WWII, the Yakuza were employed to assassinate the Korean Empress, but then again, the Yakuza are more and more at the street level are employing a lot of Korean immigrants, and are sort of profitting with the tensions and smuggling and with drugs. Then again, full blown war would disrupt a LOT of their business too, so asking them for a few favors on clearing up the mess over there might be floated...


Dialing back?  Globally it is a Top 5 military.  It;s only real weakness is a lack of logstics and that doesn't matter much with America helping out and and the fact they're fighting in their back yard.
2013-03-29 02:28:47 PM
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Most likely N. Korea is bluffing but that doesn't mean there is no danger. The more tension there is, the more likely some mid level officer from either side will make a mistake and panic ordering an attack when a flock of seagulls fly past their radars.


Sure N.K will lose but millions of S.Ks will die and quite likely scores of thousands of Americans.

There will certainly be a severe recession and another huge war debt for our kids to pay.
2013-03-29 02:28:17 PM
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theorellior: ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle

I've usually heard "circle".


A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester
2013-03-29 02:26:53 PM
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mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.


They're mostly pissed about the fact a Nork ICBM is more likely to fail while flying over their country and rain radioactive shiat down on them than anything else.  Everyone shoots stuff over each other all the time in the form of space launches (which might involve nuclear reactors on the sats).  However the odds of a North Korean rocket failing are much higher.
2013-03-29 02:26:16 PM
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mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.


I wonder what would happen when those rockets inevitably fail to make their target and land on Chinese or Russian soil.
2013-03-29 02:26:06 PM
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said it had put missiles on stand-by to hit the US.

Hit the US, how?  Are they gonna load em onto trucks and push them off the back?
2013-03-29 02:25:11 PM
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It's times like these you have to wonder if folks are regretting dialing the Japanese military back.

Then again, in the prelude to their entry into WWII, the Yakuza were employed to assassinate the Korean Empress, but then again, the Yakuza are more and more at the street level are employing a lot of Korean immigrants, and are sort of profitting with the tensions and smuggling and with drugs. Then again, full blown war would disrupt a LOT of their business too, so asking them for a few favors on clearing up the mess over there might be floated...
2013-03-29 02:23:21 PM
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Where is General MacArthur Curtis LeMay when you need him?
2013-03-29 02:21:31 PM
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I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle
2013-03-29 02:21:20 PM
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It's good to know world leaders and prominent diplomats have as much sense as the below-average forum poster.

Don't feed the trolls.  It's a pretty farking simple rule.
2013-03-29 02:12:29 PM
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MaudlinMutantMollusk: Un-coming
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ok that's funny.


And there is only one voice that North Korea has ever listened to, China. They will do whatever China tells them to unless the people who are actually pulling the strings in NK have gone batshiat nuts.

Does anyone really think that Jung Un has any real power?
2013-03-29 02:11:07 PM
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Russia has some investments in Best Korea, some railroad lines and such but it's not much.  They also exploit cheap Best Korean labor, sort of how we exploit cheap illegal Mexican immigrant labor, except in their case it's strictly controlled and they all return home when they are done with them.  I don't think they have TOO awful much invested, so I sort of see Russia as a bystander in all of this.
2013-03-29 02:07:48 PM
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This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we will all be lucky to survive.
2013-03-29 02:05:50 PM
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First step for North Korean Generals.   Reduce the size of your caps..
 
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