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(BBC)   Signs things may be getting out of hand on the Korean Peninsula, #67: even Russia says, 'damn, dudes, back it up a notch'   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 300
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2013-03-29 07:41:33 PM  
NK's missiles have never been known for accuracy either; they might have the range to reach Guam, or Alaska, or Hawaii, but the chance they'd even hit something other than ocean or tundra is probably very low. Seoul and Japan are another matter, of course, but long range accurate missiles aren't exactly easy to develop.
 
2013-03-29 07:41:43 PM  

ginkor: The B-2 can not only carry two 30,000 MOP bunker busters, but also the air burst MOAB, which at 26,400 pounds will give a pressure blast about the same as a 10 kiloton nuclear air burst detonation.   But its blast wave lasts longer.


Why not drop 26,400 lbs of TNT instead of a 26,400lb MOAB that only gives 10,000 lbs of boom?
 
2013-03-29 07:49:36 PM  

OgreMagi: People tend to put up with a lot of bad things.  Watching their children starve to death is not one of those things and historically had a tendency to cause a popular uprising.


The "North Koreans are eating bark" thing is way overblown. No, the majority of them probably aren't getting their 100% USRDA, but they're not sitting around a table splitting a single lima bean either.
 
2013-03-29 07:49:39 PM  

reimanr06: ginkor: The B-2 can not only carry two 30,000 MOP bunker busters, but also the air burst MOAB, which at 26,400 pounds will give a pressure blast about the same as a 10 kiloton nuclear air burst detonation.   But its blast wave lasts longer.

Why not drop 26,400 lbs of TNT instead of a 26,400lb MOAB that only gives 10,000 lbs of boom?


10 kilotons is 10,000 tons of boom, not 10,000 pounds.  A ton is heavier than a pound.
 
2013-03-29 07:50:18 PM  

CleanAndPure: Give peace a chance.

We agree to give Korea Dennis Rodman in exchange for all their uranium.

Its a fair and equal exchange of unstable commodities.


That would be classified as a crime against humanity. Why would you wish Rodman on anyone?
 
2013-03-29 07:59:55 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: PsiChick: mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.

....Come to think of it, if Russia takes it as an act of war, that'd make it a real damn short one...

/They're lunatics with vodka, they can probably curbstomp as well as we can.

You mean the same lunatics that can't even properly engage a bunch of Georgian farmers and retreated with tails between their legs?

Georgia as in the east european country, not the state to Americans.

They couldn't send ground troops.  They could stage something out of Kamchatka.  Piiss 'em off enough; North Korea becomes very loud and very bright.  But not for long.
 
2013-03-29 08:06:06 PM  
I'm throwing all my liquid capital into Viedt Industries.
 
2013-03-29 08:11:49 PM  

ransack.: theorellior: ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle

I've usually heard "circle".

A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester


New Yawk and New Joisey pronounce it as soikel, which could be interpreted as either circle or cycle.. IMO, circle is appropriate.....
 
2013-03-29 08:13:30 PM  

The Bestest: ACunningPlan: I don't think he can hit the US with anything.  He can hit SK, but where else in the world is within range that would cause nasty problems and might him the attention or whatever it is he wants?  Genuine question since I don't know enough about bombs & thingies to make a guess; in fact I know pretty much zilch about weapons systems.

They have weapon systems that can -theoretically- reach US Pacific Islands, including Hawaii. They have not, however, successfully demonstrated this ability.


Satanic_Hamster: ACunningPlan: I don't think he can hit the US with anything.  He can hit SK, but where else in the world is within range that would cause nasty problems and might him the attention or whatever it is he wants?  Genuine question since I don't know enough about bombs & thingies to make a guess; in fact I know pretty much zilch about weapons systems.

Tokyo.


Thank you.  Just wondering what other mischief he could manage for whatever reasons; Tokyo would cause big trouble....  And I'm ashamed to say, I always forget how far Hawaii is from the US mainland [stranger in these here parts in my defence:) ]

Could the military be trying to get rid of him & the Kim-kraze in general?  If they persuade him to do something really stupid, and then hang him out to dry once the inglorious defeat is inflicted, they could then go the China route - keep power but lots of money etc., for those in power.  My guess would be even being high up in the NK military is pretty sucky in comparison to their Chinese mates.
 
2013-03-29 08:14:55 PM  

2wolves: I'm throwing all my liquid capital into Viedt Industries.


I hear you. Turns out the whole war is just super viral marketing for  Liandri
 
2013-03-29 08:19:40 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: The B2 bomber can deliver at least the following nuclear weapons:

B-83 bomb: yields 1.2 megatons (75 times the power of the Little Boy), weighs 2400 pounds
B-61 bomb: yields 340 kilotons, weighs 700 pounds

It's capable of carrying 40,000 pounds of weapons. It can't deliver that weight in nuclear weapons, apparently.

I would say Best Korea is going to start something that will mushroom out of control. I'm not sure how China would react to B2 bombers dropping multiple megaton nuclear bombs on 1. their ally and 2. their back yard.

Regarding point 2, same for Russia, Japan...

/since we live in a closed environmental system, we're pretty much bombing the US anyways.


Anything they shoot at us will be shot down anyway.. we go back with MOABs and bunker busters.. keep it conventional.. take out Un and all of their nuke facilities and military locations.. and rename it Korea..
 
2013-03-29 08:21:09 PM  

bratface: tinyarena:
/happy?

No, because it shouldn't be 'either or'!


Of course you are right.  It should be "one for all and all for one"
Especially now, when we can actually do it.
We now, and for the first time, have the abilities to save and serve the whole world.

Winston Churchill, at the dawn of the Age of Technology, said:
"It is better to talk, talk, talk than to war, war, war."
So let them threaten, and in the meantime talk to all the neighbors eh? :)

Also,
are you aware your posts are all Bolded?
 
2013-03-29 08:24:39 PM  

KillerAttackParrot: PunGent: they could load a dirty bomb onto one of their old Romeo subs, drive it close enough to our west coast that detonation would contaminate a big chunk of property.

I doubt that. At least not without us knowing it's there. It's diesel-electric . You know how noisy those things are? Doubt it would have the range either. The pacific ocean is a big place.


As a former sonar technician on an Arliegh Burke Class DDG, I concur with this assessment. We'd find them.
 
2013-03-29 08:26:34 PM  

Bendal: NK's missiles have never been known for accuracy either; they might have the range to reach Guam, or Alaska, or Hawaii, but the chance they'd even hit something other than ocean or tundra is probably very low. Seoul and Japan are another matter, of course, but long range accurate missiles aren't exactly easy to develop.


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2013-03-29 08:27:55 PM  

OlderGuy: IMO, circle is appropriate.....


Circle doesn't make any sense.

A vicious circle would be a singular event, like twenty armored orcs in a video game surrounding you and cutting you to ribbons with axe and sword. That would be a vicious circle. Or even some pun, like Xena's razor sharp chakram, could be a vicious circle.

A vicious cycle, on the other hand, is a protracted event that gets worse and worse with each repetition. Like the guy in the Little Prince who drinks to forget he's a drunk. The more he drinks, the more of a drunk he is, and the more he drinks to forget. That's a vicious cycle.
 
2013-03-29 08:39:14 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: ACunningPlan: I don't think he can hit the US with anything. He can hit SK, but where else in the world is within range that would cause nasty problems and might him the attention or whatever it is he wants? Genuine question since I don't know enough about bombs & thingies

I have nightmares about NK's nuclear thingies.


Must confess, I don't fret about these scenarios.  Alas I've other more pressing worries, but since I don't know much about these thingies to start with, maybe it's a case of ignorance is bliss?
 
2013-03-29 08:56:17 PM  
LOL, they're gonna blow up alaska?
 
2013-03-29 09:01:51 PM  

tuna fingers: WhoopAssWayne: The last thing we need is our great warrior/community activist president getting us into another costly war. It's just the kind of stupidity we've come to expect from this thin-skinned, chickenhawk chickensh*t and I bet he's chomping at the bit to jump right in if things go south. As citizens and taxpayers, we must make it a priority to strip war powers from both the president and the congress. All foreign military actions must be paid with war bonds, not tax money, just like World War II. If the people don't support the action and don't buy the bonds, there's no money to fight, and no war. And if our divisive little sh*thead of a president stirs up the usual liberal idiots enough to actually get us involved somewhere, all it will take to get us out is a shift in popular opinion. If we had this model in Iraq, I'm guessing we would have been out after only a couple of years. But the bottom line is this: No tax money for foreign wars!

9/10  You forgot to use Fartbongo.  That cost you a point.


That's true, but he might deserve a point for the name WhoopAssWayne.
 
2013-03-29 09:03:19 PM  

ACunningPlan: Thank you. Just wondering what other mischief he could manage for whatever reasons; Tokyo would cause big trouble.... And I'm ashamed to say, I always forget how far Hawaii is from the US mainland [stranger in these here parts in my defence:) ]


Eh.  They might get some civilian casualties, but then all hell will break loose when the Japanese strike back.   Doubt the Norks have anything that can stop a Gundam.
 
2013-03-29 09:04:39 PM  

tuna fingers: WhoopAssWayne: The last thing we need is our great warrior/community activist president getting us into another costly war. It's just the kind of stupidity we've come to expect from this thin-skinned, chickenhawk chickensh*t and I bet he's chomping at the bit to jump right in if things go south. As citizens and taxpayers, we must make it a priority to strip war powers from both the president and the congress. All foreign military actions must be paid with war bonds, not tax money, just like World War II. If the people don't support the action and don't buy the bonds, there's no money to fight, and no war. And if our divisive little sh*thead of a president stirs up the usual liberal idiots enough to actually get us involved somewhere, all it will take to get us out is a shift in popular opinion. If we had this model in Iraq, I'm guessing we would have been out after only a couple of years. But the bottom line is this: No tax money for foreign wars!

9/10  You forgot to use Fartbongo.  That cost you a point.


What are you talking about? No one replied seriously to the troll, not even one outraged reply. That makes it a shiatty troll.
 
2013-03-29 09:10:39 PM  
I'm just glad to say I only heard one set of BIG BASTARD AFTERBURNERS kick in all day long. Must have been a beer run to Blythe.
 
2013-03-29 09:18:16 PM  

SithLord: TheShavingofOccam123: Gosh, if Best Korea pulls a Serbia and shoots down a B2, do you think they'll be nice and return the nuclear weapons from our bomber?

I don't think they can see our stealth bombers at night.  They have a hard enough time seeing in the daylight as it is.




Black?

I'd skin them for daytime use.
 
2013-03-29 09:19:50 PM  

hasty ambush: another cultural observer: ha-ha-guy: hubiestubert: It's times like these you have to wonder if folks are regretting dialing the Japanese military back.

Then again, in the prelude to their entry into WWII, the Yakuza were employed to assassinate the Korean Empress, but then again, the Yakuza are more and more at the street level are employing a lot of Korean immigrants, and are sort of profitting with the tensions and smuggling and with drugs. Then again, full blown war would disrupt a LOT of their business too, so asking them for a few favors on clearing up the mess over there might be floated...

Dialing back?  Globally it is a Top 5 military.  It;s only real weakness is a lack of logstics and that doesn't matter much with America helping out and and the fact they're fighting in their back yard.

It's not a "military", that would be unconstitutional!  It's a Self Defense Police Force!

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STOP! POLICE!

And this is what they are calling a destroyer since they are not allowed aircraft carriers:

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JMSDF Hyuga Class Destroyer




Shotgun!
 
2013-03-29 09:26:08 PM  
Have cargo jets full of "aid" ready and send some pf these kinds of guys in.
www.training.sfahq.com

Or thses kind of guys.
upload.wikimedia.org
Or should we wait until Christmas to Freedom™ their asses?
 
2013-03-29 09:35:52 PM  
We sure are lucky we stopped the deployment of our anti-missile system to Alaska in 2009. Man, that re-set button and a few speeches does wonders.

Plus, we can spend the savings on more vay-cays for everyone! Yay!
 
2013-03-29 09:38:05 PM  

snocone: What a collection of short memories.
"The Ruskies have ICBMs and we have to protect ourselves."
"We have to stop Communizzims in Viet Nam."
"We are gonna get Sadam's WMDs."

Will you never farking learn?


The Soviet Union collapsed, Vietnam isn't communist anymore, and Saddam certainly isn't threatening anyone anymore. Perhaps you should pay more attention to the world around you, kid.
 
2013-03-29 09:53:14 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: ACunningPlan: Thank you. Just wondering what other mischief he could manage for whatever reasons; Tokyo would cause big trouble.... And I'm ashamed to say, I always forget how far Hawaii is from the US mainland [stranger in these here parts in my defence:) ]

Eh.  They might get some civilian casualties, but then all hell will break loose when the Japanese strike back.   Doubt the Norks have anything that can stop a Gundam.


Tokyo's pretty high density population-wise, so even a small glancing blow could be unpleasant.  Don't know what a Gundam is; is it like a Japanese surface missile or do you need a rocket....?

If Japan struck back, the Chinese might get involved because tensions have been increasing for a while.  Although I think the Chinese might tell Kimmy he's on his own if he pulls something stupid.
 
2013-03-29 09:58:15 PM  
Drop the Bomb!!!!! Exterminate Them All!!!!!!
 
2013-03-29 09:58:49 PM  

Cobataiwan: We sure are lucky we stopped the deployment of our anti-missile system to Alaska in 2009. Man, that re-set button and a few speeches does wonders.

Plus, we can spend the savings on more vay-cays for everyone! Yay!


*pats head*
 
2013-03-29 10:02:45 PM  

ACunningPlan: Tokyo's pretty high density population-wise, so even a small glancing blow could be unpleasant. Don't know what a Gundam is; is it like a Japanese surface missile or do you need a rocket....?

If Japan struck back, the Chinese might get involved because tensions have been increasing for a while. Although I think the Chinese might tell Kimmy he's on his own if he pulls something stupid.


gunpla.kjasi.com
 
2013-03-29 10:12:37 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: ACunningPlan: Tokyo's pretty high density population-wise, so even a small glancing blow could be unpleasant. Don't know what a Gundam is; is it like a Japanese surface missile or do you need a rocket....?

If Japan struck back, the Chinese might get involved because tensions have been increasing for a while. Although I think the Chinese might tell Kimmy he's on his own if he pulls something stupid.

[gunpla.kjasi.com image 600x450]


Now I get it, funny:)
 
2013-03-29 10:28:39 PM  

ACunningPlan: Satanic_Hamster: ACunningPlan: Thank you. Just wondering what other mischief he could manage for whatever reasons; Tokyo would cause big trouble.... And I'm ashamed to say, I always forget how far Hawaii is from the US mainland [stranger in these here parts in my defence:) ]

Eh.  They might get some civilian casualties, but then all hell will break loose when the Japanese strike back.   Doubt the Norks have anything that can stop a Gundam.

Tokyo's pretty high density population-wise, so even a small glancing blow could be unpleasant.  Don't know what a Gundam is; is it like a Japanese surface missile or do you need a rocket....?

If Japan struck back, the Chinese might get involved because tensions have been increasing for a while.  Although I think the Chinese might tell Kimmy he's on his own if he pulls something stupid.


Think giant piloted robot.  Thats kind of been the running joke about Japan for decades is that they would be the ones to bring mechanized future warfare to the battlefield.  Its half jokingly said.  Because a lot old armchair generals who pay attention to Japan realize that if they ever got a big enough hair up their asses....they might actually do it.  Japan has not needed a full fledge military force for decades because of the US military.  Japan has grown into a economic and technological titan since world war II.  So with a nervous laugh you can look their way and think about what would happen if they got severely nationalistic over something, some incident, some insult from their neighbors.  If that old Nippon pride ever kicked into overdrive and they felt the need to start producing weapons again.  Would it be a simple modern force.  Or would the Japanese do what almost always tend to do, and kick it up a notch.  May not seem like a big deal, but a futuristic newly produced tank made by Honda corporation is probably one of those things that wakes Chinese generals up in a cold sweat at night.  Maybe a few American generals too.

If they ever do decide they dont need American protection any more.  If they ever decide that they need to handle Chinese challenges on their own.  If they decide to have more than a simple 15,000 man "police force".  I'm just going to hope that they stay inside our tent pissing out.
 
2013-03-29 10:34:08 PM  

orclover: Think giant piloted robot. Thats kind of been the running joke about Japan for decades is that they would be the ones to bring mechanized future warfare to the battlefield. Its half jokingly said. Because a lot old armchair generals who pay attention to Japan realize that if they ever got a big enough hair up their asses....they might actually do it.


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2013-03-29 10:38:35 PM  
I found Li'l Kim's secret plans.

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2013-03-30 12:26:13 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: I found Li'l Kim's secret plans.

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+1
 
2013-03-30 12:27:23 AM  

orclover: ACunningPlan: Satanic_Hamster:
Tokyo's pretty high density population-wise, so even a small glancing blow could be unpleasant.  Don't know what a Gundam is; is it like a Japanese surface missile or do you need a rocket....?

If Japan struck back, the Chinese might get involved because tensions have been increasing for a while.  Although I think the Chinese might tell Kimmy he's on his own if he pulls something stupid.

Think giant piloted robot.  Thats kind of been the running joke about Japan for decades is that they would be the ones to bring mechanized future warfare to the battlefield.  Its half jokingly said.  Because a lot old armchair generals who pay attention to Japan realize that if they ever got a big enough hair up their asses....they might actually do it.  Japan has not needed a full fledge military force for decades because of the US military.  Japan has grown into a economic and technological titan since world war II.  So with a nervous laugh you can look their way and think about what would happen if they got severely nationalistic over something, some incident, some insult from their neighbors.  If that old Nippon pride ever kicked into overdrive and they felt the need to start producing weapons again.  Would it be a simple modern force.  Or would the Japanese do what almost always tend to do, and kick it up a notch.  May not seem like a big deal, but a futuristic newly produced tank made by Honda corporation is probably one of those things that wakes Chinese generals up in a cold sweat at night.  Maybe a few American generals t ...


Thank you very much.  Geo-political, historical & regional type stuff I know - to varying degrees - but I'm not good on the technology stuff.  I'm not quite as bad as the internet is a series of tubes, but I'm not much above that level:)  So whilst I vaguely know the Japanese are good with roboticky things, it would never occur to me that it might impact any military developments.  And yet it makes perfect sense, now that I do think about it.
 
2013-03-30 12:38:16 AM  

orclover: Or would the Japanese do what almost always tend to do, and kick it up a notch.


I disagree there.  The Japanese soldiers in WW2 were a bit behind the times in their weaponry.  The standard issue rifle was an overly heavy piece of shiat.  Of course, that might have been due to them growing their military far too quickly to properly equip them (thank goodness).  Even so, you'd think they would have made some effort to improve the equipment as the war dragged on.
 
2013-03-30 01:13:25 AM  

OgreMagi: orclover: Or would the Japanese do what almost always tend to do, and kick it up a notch.

I disagree there.  The Japanese soldiers in WW2 were a bit behind the times in their weaponry.  The standard issue rifle was an overly heavy piece of shiat.  Of course, that might have been due to them growing their military far too quickly to properly equip them (thank goodness).  Even so, you'd think they would have made some effort to improve the equipment as the war dragged on.


farm5.staticflickr.com
WWII Japanese being led by a Imperial Shogonate

today
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i.telegraph.co.uk
www.gadgetmadness.com
This is them just doing minor civilian applications, and their shiat works.  Theres a few thousand pictures of what they have accomplished with robotics.  American robotic technology is amazing.  The japanese robotic technology advances have easily kept up with ours.
in very terrifying ways....
www.cbc.ca
...and thats them just farking around.

At some point with all the regional conflict Japan may get scared.  If they gets scared, they may get angry.  Japan angry and focused on other countries may push technology forward a hundred years very very quickly.  We may also start to run out of other asians.
 
2013-03-30 01:26:33 AM  

neongoats: scottydoesntknow: Mighty_Joe: neongoats: I can't wait until some forum genius starts pants shiatting about container ships. It always happens in these NK threads.

I searched the last 3 Korea threads and the only person mentioning container ships is you, forum genius.

It's like Beetlejuice. If he says it enough, something's bound to happen. Not sure what, but something...

I had to sleep and work, missed the last couple threads, but seriously, it will happen. It's the big fantasy they talk about in these threads.. NK smuggles nuke in container ship, blows up San Francisco. I'm actually surprised you hadn't heard of that, its a big popular fark trope about NK attacking us.


They could always try sneaking in a snuke

thumbs.newschoolers.com
 
2013-03-30 01:39:52 AM  

ransack.: theorellior: ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle

I've usually heard "circle".

A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester




Circle would mean never ending. Cycle means up and downs. I think. Maybe.
 
2013-03-30 11:04:17 AM  

toraque: reimanr06: ginkor: The B-2 can not only carry two 30,000 MOP bunker busters, but also the air burst MOAB, which at 26,400 pounds will give a pressure blast about the same as a 10 kiloton nuclear air burst detonation.   But its blast wave lasts longer.

Why not drop 26,400 lbs of TNT instead of a 26,400lb MOAB that only gives 10,000 lbs of boom?

10 kilotons is 10,000 tons of boom, not 10,000 pounds.  A ton is heavier than a pound.


LOL epic fail
 
2013-03-30 09:03:17 PM  

Pud: [Kim Jong-un] is all that, and

a thousand bagels with cream cheese.

FTFY
 
2013-03-30 10:14:41 PM  

fireclown: xaldin: CleanAndPure: Give peace a chance.

We agree to give Korea Dennis Rodman in exchange for all their uranium.

Its a fair and equal exchange of unstable commodities.

Not sure it qualifies as fair. I think the beads we gave the Indian tribes for land was a better deal quite honestly.

Fine.  We'll throw in Sean Penn, Genine Garafolo, the entire Penn State football team/coaching staff and Ray Lewis for good measure.


There WAS a time that I wanted to fark the crazy out of her...
 
2013-04-01 08:22:19 AM  

KillerAttackParrot: PunGent: they could load a dirty bomb onto one of their old Romeo subs, drive it close enough to our west coast that detonation would contaminate a big chunk of property.

I doubt that. At least not without us knowing it's there. It's diesel-electric . You know how noisy those things are? Doubt it would have the range either. The pacific ocean is a big place.


Yes, but knowing it's there doesn't mean we automatically get to sink it.  They may decide to light it off w/o benefit of a formal declaration of war.
 
2013-04-01 08:29:22 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: PunGent: Oh no, that's wrong...quite a few Farkers have assured me North Korea is absolutely no threat, and SK can handle them within a week.

There won't even be any broken windows in Seoul!

Please name those people / posts.

There's a difference between saying "the threat of North Korean artillery is greatly exaggerated" and saying "no windows would be broken."    That claim is just as false as the claim Seoul would be wiped out completely.

The fact is that a *lot* of the North Korean artillery positions are fake and the ones that aren't are decades old, poorly maintained, never been fired, crewed by men who may have never fired a live round in years or ever.  On top of that, they'd face counter battery fire by foes with some of the best artillery, radar, and fire control systems in the world who are highly trained and have mapped out a lot of the enemy positions.    And that's ignoring the South's complete air superiority.

NK's only advantage is that it might take some time to sort out the fake/non-working artillery positions from the live ones and that they'd be firing into a large city (that's assuming they decide to ignore the South Korean's positions entirely).  Yes there would be civilian casualties but it would hardly be a slaughter.


The "war will be over in a month" crowd is too numerous to mention.  I hope they're right, frankly.
 
Afa air superiority, it IS a lovely thing...we enjoyed it for years in Vietnam and Afghanistan and Iraq :)
 
2013-04-01 08:30:43 AM  

wxboy: PunGent: And you can hide a nuke in something smaller than a container ship; hell, if they were ballsy enough, they could load a dirty bomb onto one of their old Romeo subs, drive it close enough to our west coast that detonation would contaminate a big chunk of property.

It's not like they'd worry about sacrificing the crew...

I'd imagine that sub wouldn't be allowed within 1000 miles of Hawaii, let alone the west coast.


Again, that requires us to shoot first, losing the moral high ground.
 
2013-04-01 09:03:44 AM  

PunGent: The "war will be over in a month" crowd is too numerous to mention. I hope they're right, frankly.

Afa air superiority, it IS a lovely thing...we enjoyed it for years in Vietnam and Afghanistan and Iraq :)


You're confusing multiple issues:
War over in a month
Seoul's entire population being wiped out
Occupying North Korea
 
War over in a month is possible, assuming there's no land invasion.   Seoul being wiped out isn't that likely.  And occupying NK will be a long costly biatch.  :0
 
2013-04-01 10:44:05 AM  
Declare War on USA today.
Surrender tomorrow.
Aid flows in on Tuesday.
 
See plot of "The Mouse That Roared".
 
2013-04-01 10:44:55 AM  
How long will they last against the B3 Bomber?
 
2013-04-01 06:05:30 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: PunGent: The "war will be over in a month" crowd is too numerous to mention. I hope they're right, frankly.

Afa air superiority, it IS a lovely thing...we enjoyed it for years in Vietnam and Afghanistan and Iraq :)

You're confusing multiple issues:
War over in a month
Seoul's entire population being wiped out
Occupying North Korea
 
War over in a month is possible, assuming there's no land invasion.   Seoul being wiped out isn't that likely.  And occupying NK will be a long costly biatch.  :0


Assuming there's no land invasion?

Not much of a war...you thinking just arty duels and airstrikes?  what?

Agree, Seoul won't be wiped out, unless they've REALLY gotten lax in their civil defense drills.  On the other hand, the younger generation there isn't terribly interested in having us around, by all accounts...maybe they don't view this seriously, and that could bite them on the ass.
 
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