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(BBC)   Signs things may be getting out of hand on the Korean Peninsula, #67: even Russia says, 'damn, dudes, back it up a notch'   (bbc.co.uk ) divider line
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2013-03-29 03:48:05 PM  

neongoats: Cer10Death: angrymonday: They cannot feed their people, cannot win a war. My conspiracy theory:
This is a ploy to for the US to get involved so dear leader can open up the society via defeat. They accept the help of the US to rebuild and emulate the south. It's so stupid it just might work.

Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

No no... we CAN... we just choose not to do it.


Touche'. Point taken.
 
2013-03-29 03:50:11 PM  
I blame Obama. But then again, I blame Obama for just about everything and I mean everything. Before him, I blamed Bush and before him, Clinton. See how that goes?

Oh, I blame Congress on everything too. Just seems like the thing to do.
 
2013-03-29 03:51:32 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: PunGent: Oh no, that's wrong...quite a few Farkers have assured me North Korea is absolutely no threat, and SK can handle them within a week.

There won't even be any broken windows in Seoul!

Please name those people / posts.


Bored?  Why would this be so important to you?  Move on to the next post, laugh at him, and relax.  It's not that big of a deal.
 
2013-03-29 03:52:35 PM  
maybe the plan is to thin the herd so anyone left gets a bigger share (tree bark,grass,dog,etc)
 
2013-03-29 03:52:52 PM  

Hack Patooey: said it had put missiles on stand-by to hit the US.

Hit the US, how?  Are they gonna load em onto trucks and push them off the back?



media.salon.com

"They actually have access to nuclear materials that they are beginning to convert into some sort of bomb that they will eventually put into a missile and 500 (North Koreans) will throw it at us."

/yes, I know he was talking about Iran, but it kinda fits anyway ..
 
2013-03-29 03:53:24 PM  

Jaws_Victim: mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.

I wonder what would happen when those rockets inevitably fail to make their target and land on Chinese or Russian soil.


They're not so deluded that they believe they can reach Austin or DC. They *know* they can reach Seoul, though. That wouldn't be a good thing.
 
2013-03-29 03:55:28 PM  

SithLord: TheShavingofOccam123: Gosh, if Best Korea pulls a Serbia and shoots down a B2, do you think they'll be nice and return the nuclear weapons from our bomber?

I don't think they can see our stealth bombers at night.  They have a hard enough time seeing in the daylight as it is.


Because you can blindfold them with dental floss?

/**ducks**
 
2013-03-29 03:55:56 PM  

ransack.: A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester


Huh?  If it's nothing more than a simple saying, then how can "everyone" be wrong?  There is no technically "right" way to say it - it is just something lots of people say.  If those people almost always say it one way over the other, then for all tents in porpoises, that is the correct way.

Circle of life, cycle of life...vicious circle, vicious cycle....pretty darn interchangeable.
 
2013-03-29 03:56:06 PM  
Listen, I'm no expert on world affairs, but it seems to me that Fattie McFattison is young enough to realize that the world revolves around the Almighty Dollar (or Euro, or Yen, or Deutchmark or whatever). Trade and the sharing of resources on a global scale is really what makes the world go 'round. Turning his own country into a glass parking lot makes no sense on any level, no matter how crazy we may think he is.

I agree with angrymonday. This is a ploy to open up Best Korea to the spoils of being part of the world economic stage.

Or perhaps I've ingested too much Sauvignon Blanc. Either one.
 
2013-03-29 03:56:17 PM  
Best Korea tends to get pretty uppity at predictable times: they install a new God-boy-king, and, South Korean elections. We're getting a double dose of derp from them right now. Ride it out, and treat them like the trolls they are. Ignore them.
 
2013-03-29 03:57:15 PM  

Cer10Death: angrymonday: They cannot feed their people, cannot win a war. My conspiracy theory:
This is a ploy to for the US to get involved so dear leader can open up the society via defeat. They accept the help of the US to rebuild and emulate the south. It's so stupid it just might work.

Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.


From a pure logistical standpoint yes we could, very easily. However we don't because socialism. Even if we suddenly had a windfall of 100 Trillion dollars, that guy standing on the corner of the street with the sign is still going to be there.
 
2013-03-29 03:58:28 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: I forget that 30 years ago we in the West were worried about mutual annihilation via nuclear weapons. It's amazing how quickly mindsets can change.


It's the only thing on anybodys mind.  It is the only reason North Korea isn't a pile of rubble.  Even without Nukes, NK would lay waste to large sections of SK.

The question is now... do we want to stop them now, or when they have fully working nuclear tipped missiles aimed to San Fransisco.
 
2013-03-29 03:58:37 PM  
I think thr odds of a nuclear exchange are pretty much nil. Even if North Korea lauches the odds that the missile would even work much less the warhead are also nil. More realistically North Korea would just shell Seoul into oblivion and then we would roll over them like a steamroller.
 
2013-03-29 03:59:19 PM  

IamAwake: ransack.: A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester

Huh?  If it's nothing more than a simple saying, then how can "everyone" be wrong?  There is no technically "right" way to say it - it is just something lots of people say.  If those people almost always say it one way over the other, then for all tents in porpoises, that is the correct way.

Circle of life, cycle of life...vicious circle, vicious cycle....pretty darn interchangeable.


Especially to those damned vicious motorcircle gangs.
 
2013-03-29 04:00:57 PM  

TV's Vinnie: PS:

I'm actually not sure that this craziness is Fatty DingDong's own doing. He's been outside of the Tragic Kingdom during his college years. He's seen with his own eyes that the rest of the world isn't anything like in the propaganda. He knows what would happen if they attack outside the DMZ.

I suspect the REAL dicks behind these actions are Fatty's uncles in the military, using their big-boned nephew as a figurehead.


Pretty much what I'm figuring.  Much like the Emperor of Japan during World War II, he might have authority, but mostly he's along for the ride.  You pretty much figure that their old equipment isn't going to get replaced, they have the missiles they think will wipe out their enemies or at least ruin their week, and with a population that is slowly starving to death slowly while their neighbors to the south live well, it's pretty much now or never.
 
2013-03-29 04:01:03 PM  
 
2013-03-29 04:01:44 PM  

TV's Vinnie: I suspect the REAL dicks behind these actions are Fatty's uncles in the military, using their big-boned nephew as a figurehead.


And I suspect we're all referring to him as an idea/figurehead.  We all take pretty extensive shortcuts in our communication, laden with vast inferences and implications, because to do otherwise would mean we'd converse at the speed of Ents.
 
2013-03-29 04:03:05 PM  
On one hand, we've been through this song and dance before.
On the other hand, North Korea didn't have nukes and missiles (for a varying definition of nuke and missile). And they didn't have China telling them, "Stop it with the nukes already, only we get to play with those." And who knows what changed between Kim Jong-Il and Kim Jong-Un.

I don't know. Its certainly interesting times, I'll tell you that much.
 
2013-03-29 04:03:41 PM  

Tillmaster: If NK uses nuclear weapons, why would you assume that we'd retaliate in kind? The US has more than enough conventional weapons to seriously ruin their day, and we could do so without screwing up our relationship with our allies-du-jour.


Long stated US policy. You use any chemical,biological or nuclear weapon against us and we will use our nukes.
 
2013-03-29 04:03:55 PM  

Cer10Death: I blame Obama. But then again, I blame Obama for just about everything and I mean everything. Before him, I blamed Bush and before him, Clinton. See how that goes?

Oh, I blame Congress on everything too. Just seems like the thing to do.


I realize you probably meant that the other way 'round, but upon reflection, I find your actual phrasing more insightful.

"The local news reported record high levels of Congress in the water tables."
"A new device designed for detecting Congress on interplanetary bodies was launched today."
"Dammit!  How the hell did we get all this Congress in the air ducts?"

:-)
 
2013-03-29 04:04:25 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Especially to those damned vicious motorcircle gangs.


media.screened.com
 
2013-03-29 04:04:43 PM  

Cer10Death: Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.


What in God's name are you talking about? American poor struggle with obesity. It's like the textbook definition of first-world problems.
 
2013-03-29 04:05:28 PM  

xaldin: Cer10Death: angrymonday: They cannot feed their people, cannot win a war. My conspiracy theory:
This is a ploy to for the US to get involved so dear leader can open up the society via defeat. They accept the help of the US to rebuild and emulate the south. It's so stupid it just might work.

Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

From a pure logistical standpoint yes we could, very easily. However we don't because socialism. Even if we suddenly had a windfall of 100 Trillion dollars, that guy standing on the corner of the street with the sign is still going to be there.


Exactly how I think...
 
2013-03-29 04:05:40 PM  

ransack.: theorellior: ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle

I've usually heard "circle".

A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester


and I could care less...

/just kidding
//if "everyone" says it, then it is correct, that is the way language works.
 
2013-03-29 04:06:04 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: mr_a: To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.

If they do that, they've got everyone else in North Korea to worry about.
It'd be like if you knew someone who had a really bad situation at home, but you don't want to offer to let them crash at your place because you know they'd never ever leave.

================

This.

North Korea is a nation of children.  They won't be able to function in a society of grownups .  Nobody wants to deal with building them a new play pen.  It's like the "Volga Germans"  Stalin had deported to Siberia.  After the USSR collapsed, Germany offered these people German passports.  Now the German government is paying the "Russian-Germans" to go back to Russia.  They can't be assimilated into a modern society after spending 60 years in a gulag.
 
2013-03-29 04:06:26 PM  
FTA:  "North Korean state media reported leader Kim Jong-un "judged the time has come to settle accounts with the US imperialists get more free food aid from the US". "
 
2013-03-29 04:07:14 PM  

This text is now purple: Cer10Death: Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

What in God's name are you talking about? American poor struggle with obesity. It's like the textbook definition of first-world problems.


what are you talking about?
many kids go to bed hungry in this country.
i feed lots of them at an outreach center every week.
 
2013-03-29 04:09:18 PM  
The problem with China's statement it says 'both sides', which to crazy North Korea looks like they are siding with them.  You know, the way when you tell a Tea Party member that you don't like some of Obama's policies and suddenly they start showing you birther stuff?
 
2013-03-29 04:09:54 PM  

quantum_csc: ransack.: theorellior: ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle

I've usually heard "circle".

A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester

and I could care less...


I heard it was "couldn't care less".

/cue "Not this shiat again" pic.
 
2013-03-29 04:10:46 PM  

This text is now purple: Cer10Death: Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

What in God's name are you talking about? American poor struggle with obesity. It's like the textbook definition of first-world problems.


I spent time in Appalachia doing rural medicine. I can tell you, we cannot feed them. We choose not to feed a lot of areas in this country. It is you who doesn't know what you're talking about. Spend sometime on an Native American reservation.

Areas in this country are struggling with obesity because they are going to McDonald's for their meals because that's all they can afford.

Do a little research before spouting off. Just a little, then you might know what you're talking about.

How about a visit to the Centers for Disease Control website.
 
2013-03-29 04:11:13 PM  

HoratioGates: The problem with China's statement it says 'both sides', which to crazy North Korea looks like they are siding with them.  You know, the way when you tell a Tea Party member that you don't like some of Obama's policies and suddenly they start showing you birther stuff?


As long as they don't start showing me afterbirther stuff. Blech!
 
2013-03-29 04:14:05 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: quantum_csc: ransack.: theorellior: ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle

I've usually heard "circle".

A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester

and I could care less...

I heard it was "couldn't care less".

/cue "Not this shiat again" pic.


Well, if I could care less, then there's enough caring going on to justify the ability to do less of it.  But if I couldn't care less, then the caring level is so low that my inability to care less shows just how little I do care.

/drunk
//doesn't really care
 
2013-03-29 04:15:35 PM  
Would it be so bad for Obama just to come riight out and say "Look Un, we really just don't want to get into a tangle with you that will end badly for a lot of innocent people. Let's meet somewhere, grill some fish, have a couple beers and just get to know each other?"
 
2013-03-29 04:18:04 PM  

CleanAndPure: The more tension there is, the more likely some mid level officer from either side will make a mistake and panic ordering an attack when a flock of seagulls fly past their radars.


No way brah, His Plumped Up Badness grooves on some Space Age Love Song.

i1168.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-29 04:19:17 PM  

theorellior: ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle

I've usually heard "circle".


I always thought it was "cycle," which makes far more sense to me than "circle," but apparently I was wrong.
 
2013-03-29 04:20:52 PM  

DownDaRiver: Would it be so bad for Obama just to come riight out and say "Look Un, we really just don't want to get into a tangle with you that will end badly for a lot of innocent people. Let's meet somewhere, grill some fish, have a couple beers and just get to know each other?"


Or they could do what Hawkeye Pierce suggested:

"...I was thinking of something more like specimen bottles at 20 paces..."
 
2013-03-29 04:22:57 PM  
An attack on US soil you say?  They must have sent spies into the US and dug up a few yards of dirt and put it beside their missile launch pads.
 
2013-03-29 04:28:21 PM  

Popular Opinion: This text is now purple: Cer10Death: Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

What in God's name are you talking about? American poor struggle with obesity. It's like the textbook definition of first-world problems.

what are you talking about?
many kids go to bed hungry in this country.
i feed lots of them at an outreach center every week.


Somebody has already covered this.  The USofA could easily feed every person 3 square meals a day of healthy food.  Provide every single person with comfortable local weather appropriate clothing to any who need it and healthcare to cover all emergency and comfortable quality of lief medical problems up to and including vision and dental.   The USA can do this, easily, without raising taxes even.
We as a country choose not to.  Its a choice.  Never forget that.
 
2013-03-29 04:30:10 PM  

over_and_done: Cer10Death: I blame Obama. But then again, I blame Obama for just about everything and I mean everything. Before him, I blamed Bush and before him, Clinton. See how that goes?

Oh, I blame Congress on everything too. Just seems like the thing to do.

I realize you probably meant that the other way 'round, but upon reflection, I find your actual phrasing more insightful.

"The local news reported record high levels of Congress in the water tables."
"A new device designed for detecting Congress on interplanetary bodies was launched today."
"Dammit!  How the hell did we get all this Congress in the air ducts?"

:-)


Or more likely "Careful where you step - you might get Congress on your shoe".

"Too late! Oh Congress!"
 
2013-03-29 04:38:38 PM  

PunGent: neongoats: I can't wait until some forum genius starts pants shiatting about container ships. It always happens in these NK threads.

"OMGz NK is gonna send us a container ship with a nuke hidden in it"

Because it's not like our intelligence community knows who, what, when, where, and why about every gram of weapon materiel they have. Oh wait, most likely they know everything down to how many ass hairs Un loses every time he takes a shiat.

Because we've never had a serious intelligence failure involving terrorists pulling off attacks here in the U.S.?
They only have to get lucky once.

And you can hide a nuke in something smaller than a container ship;  hell, if they were ballsy enough, they could load a dirty bomb onto one of their old Romeo subs, drive it close enough to our west coast that detonation would contaminate a big chunk of property.

It's not like they'd worry about sacrificing the crew...


What are you talking about? That has never happened. 9/11 was Bush contracting out an act of terrorism to get what he wanted. Well really Dick Chaney, but George Bush rubber stamped it. 9/11 was no intelligence failure the Bush administration deliberately caused it.
 
2013-03-29 04:43:03 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Ferocious, Weak, and Crazy: The North Korean Strategy


Good read, thanks!
 
2013-03-29 04:50:08 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: The last thing we need is our great warrior/community activist president getting us into another costly war. It's just the kind of stupidity we've come to expect from this thin-skinned, chickenhawk chickensh*t and I bet he's chomping at the bit to jump right in if things go south. As citizens and taxpayers, we must make it a priority to strip war powers from both the president and the congress. All foreign military actions must be paid with war bonds, not tax money, just like World War II. If the people don't support the action and don't buy the bonds, there's no money to fight, and no war. And if our divisive little sh*thead of a president stirs up the usual liberal idiots enough to actually get us involved somewhere, all it will take to get us out is a shift in popular opinion. If we had this model in Iraq, I'm guessing we would have been out after only a couple of years. But the bottom line is this: No tax money for foreign wars!


This post is from ten years ago. None of it pertains to right now but it works well for Bush/Iraq.
 
2013-03-29 04:50:25 PM  

orclover: Popular Opinion: This text is now purple: Cer10Death: Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

What in God's name are you talking about? American poor struggle with obesity. It's like the textbook definition of first-world problems.

what are you talking about?
many kids go to bed hungry in this country.
i feed lots of them at an outreach center every week.

Somebody has already covered this.  The USofA could easily feed every person 3 square meals a day of healthy food.  Provide every single person with comfortable local weather appropriate clothing to any who need it and healthcare to cover all emergency and comfortable quality of lief medical problems up to and including vision and dental.   The USA can do this, easily, without raising taxes even.
We as a country choose not to.  Its a choice.  Never forget that.


because we allow drug addicts and lazy asshats to abuse the system and take resources from those that really need it. i blame liberals.
 
2013-03-29 04:53:20 PM  

orclover: Popular Opinion: This text is now purple: Cer10Death: Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

What in God's name are you talking about? American poor struggle with obesity. It's like the textbook definition of first-world problems.

what are you talking about?
many kids go to bed hungry in this country.
i feed lots of them at an outreach center every week.

Somebody has already covered this.  The USofA could easily feed every person 3 square meals a day of healthy food.  Provide every single person with comfortable local weather appropriate clothing to any who need it and healthcare to cover all emergency and comfortable quality of lief medical problems up to and including vision and dental.   The USA can do this, easily, without raising taxes even.
We as a country choose not to.  Its a choice.  Never forget that.


To do that, we would have to disband the military, and the entire military complex.  It would put roughly 20% of the country out of work.  I'm fairly certain you haven't thought your cunning plan all the way through.
 
2013-03-29 04:54:44 PM  

orclover: Provide every single person with comfortable local weather


These damned army experiments are going to bite us in the ass one day.
 
2013-03-29 04:54:57 PM  
North Korea attacks on our mainland?

WOLVERINES!!
 
2013-03-29 04:55:12 PM  

Pud: The problem is not the N. Korean people. They are too busy just trying to find a tree with enough bark on it left to eat. The problem is the leadership that has been treated with this god-like reverence that is sure to go to their head. The real concern is that Kim Jong-un actually feels that he could simply fire a few missiles at those he doesn't like and they will simply go away. After all. He's all that, and a bagel with cream cheese. Our response could never touch them, for he is Kim Jong-un. Resistance is futile.


I wonder if he is actually that clueless about the US's military might. Perhaps he sees the overblown, often fake propaganda his country's media makes about his military's might and thinks that the US is faking or at least overblowing their power too. Like he can't believe any country could be *that* powerful.
 
2013-03-29 04:59:07 PM  

Resident Muslim: I find this thread confusing:

1) High activity at missile sites = saber-rattling. Flying planes over NK/aircraft carriers/ Military exercises at SK= just business as usual
2) we want peace = keep sending more military in that area and freaking the NKs out
3) poor NK people dying of hunger = let's go ahead and nuke NK.

I'm missing something, just not sure what.

1) It's not just the 'high activity' at missile sites.  It's the painting the buses, pulling equipment out of bunkers, high activity at all military sites combined with the cutting of the direct line and threatening press releases.
2) - Ever heard the term "Those that wish for peace should prepare for war"?  NK is antagonistic, in some ways it WANTS to attack, or present the appearance.  While the press releases say that us doing X is "freaking the NKs out", think of a fighter that's blustering and psyching himself up to attack you.  You 'suddenly' pull out a gun.  Sure, it'll freak him out, but it'll also make him less likely to attack.
3 - well, I'll give you this one.  Call it 'internet troll'.
 
2013-03-29 05:00:26 PM  

fireclown: xaldin: CleanAndPure: Give peace a chance.

We agree to give Korea Dennis Rodman in exchange for all their uranium.

Its a fair and equal exchange of unstable commodities.

Not sure it qualifies as fair. I think the beads we gave the Indian tribes for land was a better deal quite honestly.

Fine.  We'll throw in Sean Penn, Genine Garafolo, the entire Penn State football team/coaching staff and Ray Lewis for good measure.


You forgot the Kardashians and Bruce Jenner.
 
2013-03-29 05:01:02 PM  
The B-2 can not only carry two 30,000 MOP bunker busters, but also the air burst MOAB, which at 26,400 pounds will give a pressure blast about the same as a 10 kiloton nuclear air burst detonation.   But its blast wave lasts longer.
 
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