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(BBC)   Signs things may be getting out of hand on the Korean Peninsula, #67: even Russia says, 'damn, dudes, back it up a notch'   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 300
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2013-03-29 02:40:01 PM

CleanAndPure: Give peace a chance.

We agree to give Korea Dennis Rodman in exchange for all their uranium.

Its a fair and equal exchange of unstable commodities.


Not sure it qualifies as fair. I think the beads we gave the Indian tribes for land was a better deal quite honestly.
 
2013-03-29 02:41:03 PM
I wish everyone would stop acting like it's our decision whether to go to war with North Korea.  Yes, their rhetoric is directed at us, but it's the South Koreans that will do all the dying.  We should defer to them completely.  Otherwise it becomes "Let's you and him fight."  Our troops would have some deaths of course but the South Korean army and civilians will have losses 100 times ours.
 
2013-03-29 02:41:53 PM
Just one rocket, aimed right at the Kim's home. If he happens to not be there, consider it a threat. If he is there, consider it a solution.
 
2013-03-29 02:44:39 PM

CleanAndPure: Most likely N. Korea is bluffing but that doesn't mean there is no danger. The more tension there is, the more likely some mid level officer from either side will make a mistake and panic ordering an attack when a flock of seagulls fly past their radars.


Sure N.K will lose but millions of S.Ks will die and quite likely scores of thousands of Americans.

There will certainly be a severe recession and another huge war debt for our kids to pay.


That all depends. If NK leads with any attempt of using a nuke they will be rendered irrelevant before any American is dead. SK could get hit with some damage though before NK becomes a sad part of history.
 
2013-03-29 02:46:03 PM
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2013-03-29 02:46:52 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: If they do that, they've got everyone else in North Korea to worry about.
It'd be like if you knew someone who had a really bad situation at home, but you don't want to offer to let them crash at your place because you know they'd never ever leave.


Which is really kind of a mistaken belief. North Korean refugees' ultimate destination is South Korea, not China. They simply have to go through China because the DMZ forces them to take the long way around.
 
2013-03-29 02:47:07 PM
Kim Jong Un is a classic trustafarian blowhard and he is kitting up to pork the pooch.  The only end game I can think of is that once we  have taken a huge f*cking eraser to every square millimeter of his ass backwards country, we'll be obliged to rebuild it.  Don't just blow this fool off, though, because he is the most dangerous sort of fool.  He believes everything that he says.
 
2013-03-29 02:47:24 PM
If NK uses nuclear weapons, why would you assume that we'd retaliate in kind? The US has more than enough conventional weapons to seriously ruin their day, and we could do so without screwing up our relationship with our allies-du-jour.
 
2013-03-29 02:47:58 PM

neongoats: I can't wait until some forum genius starts pants shiatting about container ships. It always happens in these NK threads.


I searched the last 3 Korea threads and the only person mentioning container ships is you, forum genius.
 
2013-03-29 02:48:38 PM

eurotrader: I still say tell China to control their insolence little child or NK will get slapped hard and that would make everyone nervous in the area. If China did not like having a provocateur so much they could just go in and take over the running of the best Korea with a puppet government to appease SK.


China will not allow a unified Korea. Yes, unification would be difficult, and rebuilding the North would take a long time, and massive amounts of money, but eventually a unified Korea would become a economic powerhouse on China's doorstep. One that would almost certainly have a powerful, nuclear armed, military.
 
2013-03-29 02:49:05 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: The B2 bomber can deliver at least the following nuclear weapons: [...]

I would say Best Korea is going to start something that will mushroom out of control.

 
2013-03-29 02:49:43 PM

tinyarena: I'm not seeing the problem here.


I do. Try to remember that Seoul is within range of a whole mess 'o artillery.  No matter what happens, there is no way that this conflict would go down without many, many innocents getting killed.
 
2013-03-29 02:49:50 PM

Tillmaster: If NK uses nuclear weapons, why would you assume that we'd retaliate in kind? The US has more than enough conventional weapons to seriously ruin their day, and we could do so without screwing up our relationship with our allies-du-jour.


With the sequester cuts, we'd have to look at which option is more efficient from a budgetary standpoint.

We've already paid for the nukes....it'd actually represent a cost savings to use one.
 
2013-03-29 02:50:07 PM
What's so sad is that everyone knows Best Korea has no chance of gaining anything from this. If they launch a full scale attack, they are going to kill thousands of people and in return, thousands more will be killed on their side. What little crumbling infrastructure they have will be wiped out.

It will be a quick, horrible, bloody mess with years of humanitarian efforts that will barely help anyone survive. Not to mention the years of psychological treatment that will be required to un-brainwash Best Korea's masses.

All those deaths will be for absolutely nothing. No one will be liberated, and no one will be rescued. It's not even as if anyone will gain any massive supply of any natural resources. It will be a total, colossal waste and I feel sorry for everyone over there. That fat little pig will have his temper tantrum and never realize how many lives he has destroyed.
 
2013-03-29 02:50:11 PM

Ambitwistor: TheShavingofOccam123: The B2 bomber can deliver at least the following nuclear weapons: [...]

I would say Best Korea is going to start something that will mushroom out of control.


Should have been an "I see what you did there" pic ...
 
2013-03-29 02:50:26 PM

nekom: Russia has some investments in Best Korea, some railroad lines and such but it's not much.  They also exploit cheap Best Korean labor, sort of how we exploit cheap illegal Mexican immigrant labor, except in their case it's strictly controlled and they all return home when they are done with them.  I don't think they have TOO awful much invested, so I sort of see Russia as a bystander in all of this.


Yup. There are even North Korean work camps set up in the Russian wilderness (warning: autoplay video) where the laborers are quite likely to not even realize they're outside of Best Korea. Even if they do, they can't do much about it.
 
2013-03-29 02:50:37 PM

Mighty_Joe: neongoats: I can't wait until some forum genius starts pants shiatting about container ships. It always happens in these NK threads.

I searched the last 3 Korea threads and the only person mentioning container ships is you, forum genius.


It's like Beetlejuice. If he says it enough, something's bound to happen. Not sure what, but something...
 
2013-03-29 02:51:23 PM
Oh, fark it.

The the big-ass military afterburners just kicked in at the Sky Harbor base. I haven't heard those during the day in a long time.

Fark it. Just go blow the farking world up.

/Asia for Asians. Most of this crap is based on ancient face problems topped off with a delicate layer of European colonial bullshiat
 
2013-03-29 02:51:35 PM

vudukungfu: We should just announce publicly that China has decided to nuke them if they get out of hand.
That should take care of it.
NK will freak, and try to nuke China,
China will turn NK into an open mine pit.


And then send us a fancy thank you card for making them do it?  NO.
 
2013-03-29 02:52:19 PM

another cultural observer: We've already paid for the nukes....it'd actually represent a cost savings to use one.


And that sentence, that, is precisely why every single flag on every piece of dirt on this planet is going to end up in he museum of not getting it.
 
2013-03-29 02:52:32 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Gosh, if Best Korea pulls a Serbia and shoots down a B2, do you think they'll be nice and return the nuclear weapons from our bomber?


I don't think they can see our stealth bombers at night.  They have a hard enough time seeing in the daylight as it is.
 
2013-03-29 02:53:11 PM

scottydoesntknow: Mighty_Joe: neongoats: I can't wait until some forum genius starts pants shiatting about container ships. It always happens in these NK threads.

I searched the last 3 Korea threads and the only person mentioning container ships is you, forum genius.

It's like Beetlejuice. If he says it enough, something's bound to happen. Not sure what, but something...


I had to sleep and work, missed the last couple threads, but seriously, it will happen. It's the big fantasy they talk about in these threads.. NK smuggles nuke in container ship, blows up San Francisco. I'm actually surprised you hadn't heard of that, its a big popular fark trope about NK attacking us.
 
2013-03-29 02:53:15 PM

xaldin: CleanAndPure: Give peace a chance.

We agree to give Korea Dennis Rodman in exchange for all their uranium.

Its a fair and equal exchange of unstable commodities.

Not sure it qualifies as fair. I think the beads we gave the Indian tribes for land was a better deal quite honestly.


Fine.  We'll throw in Sean Penn, Genine Garafolo, the entire Penn State football team/coaching staff and Ray Lewis for good measure.
 
2013-03-29 02:53:40 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Oh, fark it.

The the big-ass military afterburners just kicked in at the Sky Harbor base. I haven't heard those during the day in a long time.

Fark it. Just go blow the farking world up.

/Asia for Asians. Most of this crap is based on ancient face problems topped off with a delicate layer of European colonial bullshiat


Are you trying to say that the whole lineage of history, culture and conflict didn't completely reset in 1776?  Heresy.
 
2013-03-29 02:53:48 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Oh, fark it.

The the big-ass military afterburners just kicked in at the Sky Harbor base. I haven't heard those during the day in a long time.

Fark it. Just go blow the farking world up.

/Asia for Asians. Most of this crap is based on ancient face problems topped off with a delicate layer of European colonial bullshiat


If the Stratotankers all take off, let us know.
 
2013-03-29 02:54:22 PM
I would bet B-2's for SEAD only. If it gets real real we'll send the birds

www.nationalmuseum.af.mil
image.rvmagonline.com
 
2013-03-29 02:55:49 PM

mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.


This. They usually show a flat map and not a globe, so this is less obvious when you're not studying closely. It just makes their threats even more absurd. What are they targeting in Alaska anyway? We have cities there but they're hardly striking at the heart of the USA.
 
2013-03-29 02:56:26 PM
Until he actually starts firing rockets, I'm of the opinion that he's just doing this to get everyone worked up on purpose, to see how far he can go. Then he'll be like, "Okay guys, I'll back down, but you need to send me a LOT of money."
 
2013-03-29 02:56:29 PM
The last thing we need is our great warrior/community activist president getting us into another costly war. It's just the kind of stupidity we've come to expect from this thin-skinned, chickenhawk chickensh*t and I bet he's chomping at the bit to jump right in if things go south. As citizens and taxpayers, we must make it a priority to strip war powers from both the president and the congress. All foreign military actions must be paid with war bonds, not tax money, just like World War II. If the people don't support the action and don't buy the bonds, there's no money to fight, and no war. And if our divisive little sh*thead of a president stirs up the usual liberal idiots enough to actually get us involved somewhere, all it will take to get us out is a shift in popular opinion. If we had this model in Iraq, I'm guessing we would have been out after only a couple of years. But the bottom line is this: No tax money for foreign wars!
 
2013-03-29 02:56:51 PM

Fubegra: nekom: Russia has some investments in Best Korea, some railroad lines and such but it's not much.  They also exploit cheap Best Korean labor, sort of how we exploit cheap illegal Mexican immigrant labor, except in their case it's strictly controlled and they all return home when they are done with them.  I don't think they have TOO awful much invested, so I sort of see Russia as a bystander in all of this.

Yup. There are even North Korean work camps set up in the Russian wilderness (warning: autoplay video) where the laborers are quite likely to not even realize they're outside of Best Korea. Even if they do, they can't do much about it.


What is autoplay video?  Oh you mean stuff for people that don't run flashblock.  Silly people.
 
2013-03-29 02:57:06 PM

another cultural observer: TheShavingofOccam123: Oh, fark it.

The the big-ass military afterburners just kicked in at the Sky Harbor base. I haven't heard those during the day in a long time.

Fark it. Just go blow the farking world up.

/Asia for Asians. Most of this crap is based on ancient face problems topped off with a delicate layer of European colonial bullshiat

If the Stratotankers all take off, let us know.


It sounded BIG and I think the Air National Guard unit specializes in in-flight refueling. But there was just the one.

/like I said, just fark it. dick waggling has terrible consequences.
 
2013-03-29 02:59:26 PM
I just think it's kind of fitting that World War III is going to start on Easter weekend.
 
2013-03-29 03:00:18 PM

tinyarena: What a North Korean attack on the US mainland would look like:
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x171]

What a US attack on North Korea would look like:
[cdn.dipity.com image 600x314]

I'm not seeing the problem here.


The problem is a shiatload of bunkered artillery permanently aimed at Seoul.  There is no way that anyone - including the United States, Russia and China combined - could destroy North Korea's artillery threat before Seoul is shelled to bits.
 
2013-03-29 03:01:11 PM

Smeggy Smurf: What is autoplay video? Oh you mean stuff for people that don't run flashblock. Silly people.


Heh... I actually had to enable a couple of things in Noscript to get the video to play... just warning those who don't take precautions.
 
2013-03-29 03:01:32 PM

Atheist_Republican: Until he actually starts firing rockets, I'm of the opinion that he's just doing this to get everyone worked up on purpose, to see how far he can go. Then he'll be like, "Okay guys, I'll back down, but you need to send me a LOT of money."


NK policy is entirely based on that. The problem is, Kim Jong-Un's new at the job. He doesn't quite have the technique of 'threaten to the brink of war but don't actually trigger it' down. Kim Il-Sung never had to do it because China and the Soviet Union helped prop him up. Kim Jong-Il had to because the Soviet Union collapsed, but he had the technique pegged. Kim Jong-Un has no idea where the Rubicon is and he's finding out the hard way that he doesn't know.
 
2013-03-29 03:02:45 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: The B2 bomber can deliver at least the following nuclear weapons:

B-83 bomb: yields 1.2 megatons (75 times the power of the Little Boy), weighs 2400 pounds
B-61 bomb: yields 340 kilotons, weighs 700 pounds

It's capable of carrying 40,000 pounds of weapons. It can't deliver that weight in nuclear weapons, apparently.



Its a size thing, not a weight thing. Conventional explosives are pretty dense, thus small for their weight. A nuclear device is actually a machine that explodes, so it takes up far more volume for less weight than a conventional weapon.
 
2013-03-29 03:02:52 PM

WhoopAssWayne: The last thing we need is our great warrior/community activist president getting us into another costly war. It's just the kind of stupidity we've come to expect from this thin-skinned, chickenhawk chickensh*t and I bet he's chomping at the bit to jump right in if things go south. As citizens and taxpayers, we must make it a priority to strip war powers from both the president and the congress. All foreign military actions must be paid with war bonds, not tax money, just like World War II. If the people don't support the action and don't buy the bonds, there's no money to fight, and no war. And if our divisive little sh*thead of a president stirs up the usual liberal idiots enough to actually get us involved somewhere, all it will take to get us out is a shift in popular opinion. If we had this model in Iraq, I'm guessing we would have been out after only a couple of years. But the bottom line is this: No tax money for foreign wars!


4/10. Not a bad effort, but could use some more polish.
 
2013-03-29 03:03:14 PM

WhoopAssWayne: The last thing we need is our great warrior/community activist president getting us into another costly war. It's just the kind of stupidity we've come to expect from this thin-skinned, chickenhawk chickensh*t and I bet he's chomping at the bit to jump right in if things go south. As citizens and taxpayers, we must make it a priority to strip war powers from both the president and the congress. All foreign military actions must be paid with war bonds, not tax money, just like World War II. If the people don't support the action and don't buy the bonds, there's no money to fight, and no war. And if our divisive little sh*thead of a president stirs up the usual liberal idiots enough to actually get us involved somewhere, all it will take to get us out is a shift in popular opinion. If we had this model in Iraq, I'm guessing we would have been out after only a couple of years. But the bottom line is this: No tax money for foreign wars!


There are some wars that you don't get to decide when they start or who you're fighting. NK launches a missile at your stuff, guess what? You're at war now whether you farking like it or not.
 
2013-03-29 03:03:18 PM

Fribble: I would bet B-2's for SEAD only. If it gets real real we'll send the birds

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I don't know.  We might save the real good stuff for a more formidable enemy.  No need to waste valuable ICBMs when the B2's are probably nearly invulnerable to whatever NK has got anyway.  Also an airstrike could provide even more surprise if done properly, meaning we could just go after the NK leadership structure without having to carpet-nuke the place.
 
2013-03-29 03:05:29 PM

CleanAndPure: Most likely N. Korea is bluffing but that doesn't mean there is no danger. The more tension there is, the more likely some mid level officer from either side will make a mistake and panic ordering an attack when a flock of seagulls fly past their radars.



I think balloons would have been more appropriate in that scenario.  99 of them.  Red.
 
2013-03-29 03:08:11 PM

mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.


....Come to think of it, if Russia takes it as an act of war, that'd make it a real damn short one...

/They're lunatics with vodka, they can probably curbstomp as well as we can.
 
2013-03-29 03:08:38 PM

Myria: tinyarena: What a North Korean attack on the US mainland would look like:
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x171]

What a US attack on North Korea would look like:
[cdn.dipity.com image 600x314]

I'm not seeing the problem here.

The problem is a shiatload of bunkered artillery permanently aimed at Seoul.  There is no way that anyone - including the United States, Russia and China combined - could destroy North Korea's artillery threat before Seoul is shelled to bits.


inapcache.boston.com
Yeah, sure, okay
 
2013-03-29 03:09:18 PM

CleanAndPure: Most likely N. Korea is bluffing but that doesn't mean there is no danger. The more tension there is, the more likely some mid level officer from either side will make a mistake and panic ordering an attack when a flock of seagulls fly past their radars.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-29 03:09:23 PM
Best Korea has no chance of winning a war.  But they can do some major damage to Seol in the 24 to 72 hours they would exist after they started shooting.  They have something like 10,000 heavy artillary pieces that could be fired at Seol.  Even if they only got off one or two barrages, the damage and loss of life would be significant.  If they sent all of the soldiers across the border, they would overwhelm the forces in place to stop them.  Then they'd run out of supplies and be farked.  It would be a  hail marry pass that has no chance of sucess.  But the North Koreans might just be crazy enough to try it.

/I'm ignoring anything China might do
 
2013-03-29 03:10:18 PM

neongoats: I can't wait until some forum genius starts pants shiatting about container ships. It always happens in these NK threads.

"OMGz NK is gonna send us a container ship with a nuke hidden in it"

Because it's not like our intelligence community knows who, what, when, where, and why about every gram of weapon materiel they have. Oh wait, most likely they know everything down to how many ass hairs Un loses every time he takes a shiat.


Because we've never had a serious intelligence failure involving terrorists pulling off attacks here in the U.S.?
They only have to get lucky once.

And you can hide a nuke in something smaller than a container ship;  hell, if they were ballsy enough, they could load a dirty bomb onto one of their old Romeo subs, drive it close enough to our west coast that detonation would contaminate a big chunk of property.

It's not like they'd worry about sacrificing the crew...
 
2013-03-29 03:10:31 PM

Gosling: There are some wars that you don't get to decide when they start or who you're fighting. NK launches a missile at your stuff, guess what? You're at war now whether you farking like it or not.


That's a good point. In that case, under what I proposed, I'm guessing the American people would pony up enough cash to 'clear the swamp' over there, and then get out pretty promptly. I'm betting we'd only be over there a few years instead of over a decade. After all, that money would be coming directly out of our pockets, and no matter the cause, that just isn't sustainable indefinitely.
 
2013-03-29 03:10:49 PM
It's a strategic nightmare that Seoul is some 30 miles from the border - within conventional artillery range of Best Korea.  There would be a lot of people killed and massive economic damage if Best Korea went into a suicidal rage.  Seoul wouldn't be destroyed; it'd just be a huge mess for a long while.  Well, that is, unless the Norks can detonate a nuke there, which is very unlikely.
 
2013-03-29 03:11:06 PM
 TV ratings will go through the roof.
 
2013-03-29 03:11:26 PM
Some of you people actually believe North Korea has nukes?
 
2013-03-29 03:12:11 PM
I find this thread confusing:

1) High activity at missile sites = saber-rattling. Flying planes over NK/aircraft carriers/ Military exercises at SK= just business as usual
2) we want peace = keep sending more military in that area and freaking the NKs out
3) poor NK people dying of hunger = let's go ahead and nuke NK.

I'm missing something, just not sure what.
 
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