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(BBC)   Signs things may be getting out of hand on the Korean Peninsula, #67: even Russia says, 'damn, dudes, back it up a notch'   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 300
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Pud [TotalFark]
2013-03-29 01:37:28 PM  
The problem is not the N. Korean people. They are too busy just trying to find a tree with enough bark on it left to eat. The problem is the leadership that has been treated with this god-like reverence that is sure to go to their head. The real concern is that Kim Jong-un actually feels that he could simply fire a few missiles at those he doesn't like and they will simply go away. After all. He's all that, and a bagel with cream cheese. Our response could never touch them, for he is Kim Jong-un. Resistance is futile.
 
2013-03-29 01:54:28 PM  
Un-coming
www.tucsonsentinel.com
 
2013-03-29 01:56:47 PM  
The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.
 
2013-03-29 01:58:55 PM  

mr_a: To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.


If they do that, they've got everyone else in North Korea to worry about.
It'd be like if you knew someone who had a really bad situation at home, but you don't want to offer to let them crash at your place because you know they'd never ever leave.
 
2013-03-29 02:05:50 PM  
First step for North Korean Generals.   Reduce the size of your caps..
 
2013-03-29 02:07:05 PM  
True enough- the last thing China wants is a couple million NK refugees.

OTOH, China has gotten rich on international trade between S Korea, Japan, Taiwan, HK, and the US. I would imagine the next-to-last thing they want is some madman to screw that up.
 
2013-03-29 02:07:48 PM  
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we will all be lucky to survive.
 
2013-03-29 02:11:07 PM  
Russia has some investments in Best Korea, some railroad lines and such but it's not much.  They also exploit cheap Best Korean labor, sort of how we exploit cheap illegal Mexican immigrant labor, except in their case it's strictly controlled and they all return home when they are done with them.  I don't think they have TOO awful much invested, so I sort of see Russia as a bystander in all of this.
 
2013-03-29 02:12:29 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Un-coming
[www.tucsonsentinel.com image 609x354]


ok that's funny.


And there is only one voice that North Korea has ever listened to, China. They will do whatever China tells them to unless the people who are actually pulling the strings in NK have gone batshiat nuts.

Does anyone really think that Jung Un has any real power?
 
2013-03-29 02:19:22 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Does anyone really think that Jung Un has any real power?


I'm pretty sure Kimg Jong Un does.
 
2013-03-29 02:20:13 PM  
I thought that it was very interesting that when China gave its usual "We call on all sides to reduce tension" statement on this, they were very careful to not criticize the US's B-2 flyover that seems to have led to this latest temper tantrum by Kim Jong Fattie.

There's absolutely no way anyone can side with North Korea on this, and it sounds like China is as tired of their shiat as anyone else.
 
2013-03-29 02:21:14 PM  
We should just announce publicly that China has decided to nuke them if they get out of hand.
That should take care of it.
NK will freak, and try to nuke China,
China will turn NK into an open mine pit.
 
2013-03-29 02:21:20 PM  
It's good to know world leaders and prominent diplomats have as much sense as the below-average forum poster.

Don't feed the trolls.  It's a pretty farking simple rule.
 
2013-03-29 02:21:31 PM  
I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle
 
2013-03-29 02:22:40 PM  

ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle


For all in tents, it is.
 
2013-03-29 02:23:21 PM  
Where is General MacArthur Curtis LeMay when you need him?
 
2013-03-29 02:23:26 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Un-coming
[www.tucsonsentinel.com image 609x354]

ok that's funny.


And there is only one voice that North Korea has ever listened to, China. They will do whatever China tells them to unless the people who are actually pulling the strings in NK have gone batshiat nuts.

Does anyone really think that Jung Un has any real power?


He has over a billion times as many nuclear weapons as I do. So, yes.
 
2013-03-29 02:23:26 PM  

ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle


I've usually heard "circle".
 
2013-03-29 02:24:05 PM  
Time for the Russians to give Lil Kim a taste of something radioactive...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko
 
2013-03-29 02:24:29 PM  
As a gen-Xer, I'm delighted to see the US and Russia agree on anything.
 
2013-03-29 02:24:36 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: First step for North Korean Generals.   Reduce the size of your caps..


They can't.  That's where they stash the extra rations they receive.
 
2013-03-29 02:25:11 PM  
It's times like these you have to wonder if folks are regretting dialing the Japanese military back.

Then again, in the prelude to their entry into WWII, the Yakuza were employed to assassinate the Korean Empress, but then again, the Yakuza are more and more at the street level are employing a lot of Korean immigrants, and are sort of profitting with the tensions and smuggling and with drugs. Then again, full blown war would disrupt a LOT of their business too, so asking them for a few favors on clearing up the mess over there might be floated...
 
2013-03-29 02:26:06 PM  
said it had put missiles on stand-by to hit the US.

Hit the US, how?  Are they gonna load em onto trucks and push them off the back?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-29 02:26:15 PM  
I can't get too worried about it.  NK simply doesn't have the firepower to win a war.  The only reason they are a problem is that they are close to South Korean population centers and they could do a lot of damage before they went down.

Their air force still uses MiG-17s and MiG-19s.
 
2013-03-29 02:26:16 PM  

mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.


I wonder what would happen when those rockets inevitably fail to make their target and land on Chinese or Russian soil.
 
2013-03-29 02:26:26 PM  
IF NK starts some shiat, I hope we allow them just a moment to realize how farked they are before unleashing hell.
 
2013-03-29 02:26:37 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: First step for North Korean Generals.   Reduce the size of your caps..


From the other thread:

i48.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-29 02:26:53 PM  

mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.


They're mostly pissed about the fact a Nork ICBM is more likely to fail while flying over their country and rain radioactive shiat down on them than anything else.  Everyone shoots stuff over each other all the time in the form of space launches (which might involve nuclear reactors on the sats).  However the odds of a North Korean rocket failing are much higher.
 
2013-03-29 02:28:17 PM  

theorellior: ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle

I've usually heard "circle".


A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester
 
2013-03-29 02:28:47 PM  
Most likely N. Korea is bluffing but that doesn't mean there is no danger. The more tension there is, the more likely some mid level officer from either side will make a mistake and panic ordering an attack when a flock of seagulls fly past their radars.


Sure N.K will lose but millions of S.Ks will die and quite likely scores of thousands of Americans.

There will certainly be a severe recession and another huge war debt for our kids to pay.
 
2013-03-29 02:28:54 PM  

hubiestubert: It's times like these you have to wonder if folks are regretting dialing the Japanese military back.

Then again, in the prelude to their entry into WWII, the Yakuza were employed to assassinate the Korean Empress, but then again, the Yakuza are more and more at the street level are employing a lot of Korean immigrants, and are sort of profitting with the tensions and smuggling and with drugs. Then again, full blown war would disrupt a LOT of their business too, so asking them for a few favors on clearing up the mess over there might be floated...


Dialing back?  Globally it is a Top 5 military.  It;s only real weakness is a lack of logstics and that doesn't matter much with America helping out and and the fact they're fighting in their back yard.
 
2013-03-29 02:30:57 PM  
But mom, they started it!
 
2013-03-29 02:31:02 PM  
I can't wait until some forum genius starts pants shiatting about container ships. It always happens in these NK threads.

"OMGz NK is gonna send us a container ship with a nuke hidden in it"

Because it's not like our intelligence community knows who, what, when, where, and why about every gram of weapon materiel they have. Oh wait, most likely they know everything down to how many ass hairs Un loses every time he takes a shiat.
 
2013-03-29 02:31:50 PM  

ransack.: A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester


Wikipedia says both are used interchangeably.
 
2013-03-29 02:31:55 PM  
N. Korea is a stain on China's mattress.  The quicker we clean it up, the quicker we can coexist.
 
2013-03-29 02:32:09 PM  

hubiestubert: It's times like these you have to wonder if folks are regretting dialing the Japanese military back.

Then again, in the prelude to their entry into WWII, the Yakuza were employed to assassinate the Korean Empress, but then again, the Yakuza are more and more at the street level are employing a lot of Korean immigrants, and are sort of profitting with the tensions and smuggling and with drugs. Then again, full blown war would disrupt a LOT of their business too, so asking them for a few favors on clearing up the mess over there might be floated...


That's a lot of "then again"(s)
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-29 02:32:27 PM  

Hack Patooey: said it had put missiles on stand-by to hit the US.

Hit the US, how?  Are they gonna load em onto trucks and push them off the back?


I think Kim Yung'un can see Wasilla from his house.
 
2013-03-29 02:33:02 PM  

ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle


Googlefight says "vicious cycle" (3.4 million to 2.8 million).
 
2013-03-29 02:33:08 PM  
I still say China will take care of them before we do.
 
2013-03-29 02:33:22 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: First step for North Korean Generals.   Reduce the size of your caps..


Its an interesting mix of enormous soviet style hats with French Kepi's
 
2013-03-29 02:34:34 PM  
Hack Patooey: Hit the US, how?  Are they gonna load em onto trucks and push them off the back?

Maybe they'll nuke the U.S. embassy in Seoul.

/technically U.S. soil
//ok, technically not ...
 
2013-03-29 02:35:16 PM  
What a North Korean attack on the US mainland would look like:
news.bbcimg.co.uk

What a US attack on North Korea would look like:
cdn.dipity.com

I'm not seeing the problem here.
 
2013-03-29 02:35:23 PM  
Give peace a chance.

We agree to give Korea Dennis Rodman in exchange for all their uranium.

Its a fair and equal exchange of unstable commodities.
 
2013-03-29 02:35:56 PM  

mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.


Seriously, since an NK missile launch aiming for Alaska would probably land somewhere near Moscow and then the Russians would obliterate them.

That would save us a lot of time and money.

=]
 
2013-03-29 02:36:20 PM  
I still say tell China to control their insolence little child or NK will get slapped hard and that would make everyone nervous in the area. If China did not like having a provocateur so much they could just go in and take over the running of the best Korea with a puppet government to appease SK.
 
2013-03-29 02:37:33 PM  
The B2 bomber can deliver at least the following nuclear weapons:

B-83 bomb: yields 1.2 megatons (75 times the power of the Little Boy), weighs 2400 pounds
B-61 bomb: yields 340 kilotons, weighs 700 pounds

It's capable of carrying 40,000 pounds of weapons. It can't deliver that weight in nuclear weapons, apparently.

I would say Best Korea is going to start something that will mushroom out of control. I'm not sure how China would react to B2 bombers dropping multiple megaton nuclear bombs on 1. their ally and 2. their back yard.

Regarding point 2, same for Russia, Japan...

/since we live in a closed environmental system, we're pretty much bombing the US anyways.
 
2013-03-29 02:37:59 PM  
LOL

CNN article "Will China finally 'bite' North Korea?" appears as if the author read one of our recent NK threads drew upon some of our musings to write an article.

Jennifer Lind, what's your Fark handle?
 
2013-03-29 02:38:06 PM  

ha-ha-guy: hubiestubert: It's times like these you have to wonder if folks are regretting dialing the Japanese military back.

Then again, in the prelude to their entry into WWII, the Yakuza were employed to assassinate the Korean Empress, but then again, the Yakuza are more and more at the street level are employing a lot of Korean immigrants, and are sort of profitting with the tensions and smuggling and with drugs. Then again, full blown war would disrupt a LOT of their business too, so asking them for a few favors on clearing up the mess over there might be floated...

Dialing back?  Globally it is a Top 5 military.  It;s only real weakness is a lack of logstics and that doesn't matter much with America helping out and and the fact they're fighting in their back yard.


It's not a "military", that would be unconstitutional!  It's a Self Defense Police Force!

upload.wikimedia.org
STOP! POLICE!
 
2013-03-29 02:39:19 PM  
Gosh, if Best Korea pulls a Serbia and shoots down a B2, do you think they'll be nice and return the nuclear weapons from our bomber?
 
2013-03-29 02:39:31 PM  
Meh, the link in my other post was mangled and tossed.
 
2013-03-29 02:40:01 PM  

CleanAndPure: Give peace a chance.

We agree to give Korea Dennis Rodman in exchange for all their uranium.

Its a fair and equal exchange of unstable commodities.


Not sure it qualifies as fair. I think the beads we gave the Indian tribes for land was a better deal quite honestly.
 
2013-03-29 02:41:03 PM  
I wish everyone would stop acting like it's our decision whether to go to war with North Korea.  Yes, their rhetoric is directed at us, but it's the South Koreans that will do all the dying.  We should defer to them completely.  Otherwise it becomes "Let's you and him fight."  Our troops would have some deaths of course but the South Korean army and civilians will have losses 100 times ours.
 
2013-03-29 02:41:53 PM  
Just one rocket, aimed right at the Kim's home. If he happens to not be there, consider it a threat. If he is there, consider it a solution.
 
2013-03-29 02:44:39 PM  

CleanAndPure: Most likely N. Korea is bluffing but that doesn't mean there is no danger. The more tension there is, the more likely some mid level officer from either side will make a mistake and panic ordering an attack when a flock of seagulls fly past their radars.


Sure N.K will lose but millions of S.Ks will die and quite likely scores of thousands of Americans.

There will certainly be a severe recession and another huge war debt for our kids to pay.


That all depends. If NK leads with any attempt of using a nuke they will be rendered irrelevant before any American is dead. SK could get hit with some damage though before NK becomes a sad part of history.
 
2013-03-29 02:46:03 PM  
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-03-29 02:46:52 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: If they do that, they've got everyone else in North Korea to worry about.
It'd be like if you knew someone who had a really bad situation at home, but you don't want to offer to let them crash at your place because you know they'd never ever leave.


Which is really kind of a mistaken belief. North Korean refugees' ultimate destination is South Korea, not China. They simply have to go through China because the DMZ forces them to take the long way around.
 
2013-03-29 02:47:07 PM  
Kim Jong Un is a classic trustafarian blowhard and he is kitting up to pork the pooch.  The only end game I can think of is that once we  have taken a huge f*cking eraser to every square millimeter of his ass backwards country, we'll be obliged to rebuild it.  Don't just blow this fool off, though, because he is the most dangerous sort of fool.  He believes everything that he says.
 
2013-03-29 02:47:24 PM  
If NK uses nuclear weapons, why would you assume that we'd retaliate in kind? The US has more than enough conventional weapons to seriously ruin their day, and we could do so without screwing up our relationship with our allies-du-jour.
 
2013-03-29 02:47:58 PM  

neongoats: I can't wait until some forum genius starts pants shiatting about container ships. It always happens in these NK threads.


I searched the last 3 Korea threads and the only person mentioning container ships is you, forum genius.
 
2013-03-29 02:48:38 PM  

eurotrader: I still say tell China to control their insolence little child or NK will get slapped hard and that would make everyone nervous in the area. If China did not like having a provocateur so much they could just go in and take over the running of the best Korea with a puppet government to appease SK.


China will not allow a unified Korea. Yes, unification would be difficult, and rebuilding the North would take a long time, and massive amounts of money, but eventually a unified Korea would become a economic powerhouse on China's doorstep. One that would almost certainly have a powerful, nuclear armed, military.
 
2013-03-29 02:49:05 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: The B2 bomber can deliver at least the following nuclear weapons: [...]

I would say Best Korea is going to start something that will mushroom out of control.

 
2013-03-29 02:49:43 PM  

tinyarena: I'm not seeing the problem here.


I do. Try to remember that Seoul is within range of a whole mess 'o artillery.  No matter what happens, there is no way that this conflict would go down without many, many innocents getting killed.
 
2013-03-29 02:49:50 PM  

Tillmaster: If NK uses nuclear weapons, why would you assume that we'd retaliate in kind? The US has more than enough conventional weapons to seriously ruin their day, and we could do so without screwing up our relationship with our allies-du-jour.


With the sequester cuts, we'd have to look at which option is more efficient from a budgetary standpoint.

We've already paid for the nukes....it'd actually represent a cost savings to use one.
 
2013-03-29 02:50:07 PM  
What's so sad is that everyone knows Best Korea has no chance of gaining anything from this. If they launch a full scale attack, they are going to kill thousands of people and in return, thousands more will be killed on their side. What little crumbling infrastructure they have will be wiped out.

It will be a quick, horrible, bloody mess with years of humanitarian efforts that will barely help anyone survive. Not to mention the years of psychological treatment that will be required to un-brainwash Best Korea's masses.

All those deaths will be for absolutely nothing. No one will be liberated, and no one will be rescued. It's not even as if anyone will gain any massive supply of any natural resources. It will be a total, colossal waste and I feel sorry for everyone over there. That fat little pig will have his temper tantrum and never realize how many lives he has destroyed.
 
2013-03-29 02:50:11 PM  

Ambitwistor: TheShavingofOccam123: The B2 bomber can deliver at least the following nuclear weapons: [...]

I would say Best Korea is going to start something that will mushroom out of control.


Should have been an "I see what you did there" pic ...
 
2013-03-29 02:50:26 PM  

nekom: Russia has some investments in Best Korea, some railroad lines and such but it's not much.  They also exploit cheap Best Korean labor, sort of how we exploit cheap illegal Mexican immigrant labor, except in their case it's strictly controlled and they all return home when they are done with them.  I don't think they have TOO awful much invested, so I sort of see Russia as a bystander in all of this.


Yup. There are even North Korean work camps set up in the Russian wilderness (warning: autoplay video) where the laborers are quite likely to not even realize they're outside of Best Korea. Even if they do, they can't do much about it.
 
2013-03-29 02:50:37 PM  

Mighty_Joe: neongoats: I can't wait until some forum genius starts pants shiatting about container ships. It always happens in these NK threads.

I searched the last 3 Korea threads and the only person mentioning container ships is you, forum genius.


It's like Beetlejuice. If he says it enough, something's bound to happen. Not sure what, but something...
 
2013-03-29 02:51:23 PM  
Oh, fark it.

The the big-ass military afterburners just kicked in at the Sky Harbor base. I haven't heard those during the day in a long time.

Fark it. Just go blow the farking world up.

/Asia for Asians. Most of this crap is based on ancient face problems topped off with a delicate layer of European colonial bullshiat
 
2013-03-29 02:51:35 PM  

vudukungfu: We should just announce publicly that China has decided to nuke them if they get out of hand.
That should take care of it.
NK will freak, and try to nuke China,
China will turn NK into an open mine pit.


And then send us a fancy thank you card for making them do it?  NO.
 
2013-03-29 02:52:19 PM  

another cultural observer: We've already paid for the nukes....it'd actually represent a cost savings to use one.


And that sentence, that, is precisely why every single flag on every piece of dirt on this planet is going to end up in he museum of not getting it.
 
2013-03-29 02:52:32 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Gosh, if Best Korea pulls a Serbia and shoots down a B2, do you think they'll be nice and return the nuclear weapons from our bomber?


I don't think they can see our stealth bombers at night.  They have a hard enough time seeing in the daylight as it is.
 
2013-03-29 02:53:11 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Mighty_Joe: neongoats: I can't wait until some forum genius starts pants shiatting about container ships. It always happens in these NK threads.

I searched the last 3 Korea threads and the only person mentioning container ships is you, forum genius.

It's like Beetlejuice. If he says it enough, something's bound to happen. Not sure what, but something...


I had to sleep and work, missed the last couple threads, but seriously, it will happen. It's the big fantasy they talk about in these threads.. NK smuggles nuke in container ship, blows up San Francisco. I'm actually surprised you hadn't heard of that, its a big popular fark trope about NK attacking us.
 
2013-03-29 02:53:15 PM  

xaldin: CleanAndPure: Give peace a chance.

We agree to give Korea Dennis Rodman in exchange for all their uranium.

Its a fair and equal exchange of unstable commodities.

Not sure it qualifies as fair. I think the beads we gave the Indian tribes for land was a better deal quite honestly.


Fine.  We'll throw in Sean Penn, Genine Garafolo, the entire Penn State football team/coaching staff and Ray Lewis for good measure.
 
2013-03-29 02:53:40 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Oh, fark it.

The the big-ass military afterburners just kicked in at the Sky Harbor base. I haven't heard those during the day in a long time.

Fark it. Just go blow the farking world up.

/Asia for Asians. Most of this crap is based on ancient face problems topped off with a delicate layer of European colonial bullshiat


Are you trying to say that the whole lineage of history, culture and conflict didn't completely reset in 1776?  Heresy.
 
2013-03-29 02:53:48 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Oh, fark it.

The the big-ass military afterburners just kicked in at the Sky Harbor base. I haven't heard those during the day in a long time.

Fark it. Just go blow the farking world up.

/Asia for Asians. Most of this crap is based on ancient face problems topped off with a delicate layer of European colonial bullshiat


If the Stratotankers all take off, let us know.
 
2013-03-29 02:54:22 PM  
I would bet B-2's for SEAD only. If it gets real real we'll send the birds

www.nationalmuseum.af.mil
image.rvmagonline.com
 
2013-03-29 02:55:49 PM  

mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.


This. They usually show a flat map and not a globe, so this is less obvious when you're not studying closely. It just makes their threats even more absurd. What are they targeting in Alaska anyway? We have cities there but they're hardly striking at the heart of the USA.
 
2013-03-29 02:56:26 PM  
Until he actually starts firing rockets, I'm of the opinion that he's just doing this to get everyone worked up on purpose, to see how far he can go. Then he'll be like, "Okay guys, I'll back down, but you need to send me a LOT of money."
 
2013-03-29 02:56:29 PM  
The last thing we need is our great warrior/community activist president getting us into another costly war. It's just the kind of stupidity we've come to expect from this thin-skinned, chickenhawk chickensh*t and I bet he's chomping at the bit to jump right in if things go south. As citizens and taxpayers, we must make it a priority to strip war powers from both the president and the congress. All foreign military actions must be paid with war bonds, not tax money, just like World War II. If the people don't support the action and don't buy the bonds, there's no money to fight, and no war. And if our divisive little sh*thead of a president stirs up the usual liberal idiots enough to actually get us involved somewhere, all it will take to get us out is a shift in popular opinion. If we had this model in Iraq, I'm guessing we would have been out after only a couple of years. But the bottom line is this: No tax money for foreign wars!
 
2013-03-29 02:56:51 PM  

Fubegra: nekom: Russia has some investments in Best Korea, some railroad lines and such but it's not much.  They also exploit cheap Best Korean labor, sort of how we exploit cheap illegal Mexican immigrant labor, except in their case it's strictly controlled and they all return home when they are done with them.  I don't think they have TOO awful much invested, so I sort of see Russia as a bystander in all of this.

Yup. There are even North Korean work camps set up in the Russian wilderness (warning: autoplay video) where the laborers are quite likely to not even realize they're outside of Best Korea. Even if they do, they can't do much about it.


What is autoplay video?  Oh you mean stuff for people that don't run flashblock.  Silly people.
 
2013-03-29 02:57:06 PM  

another cultural observer: TheShavingofOccam123: Oh, fark it.

The the big-ass military afterburners just kicked in at the Sky Harbor base. I haven't heard those during the day in a long time.

Fark it. Just go blow the farking world up.

/Asia for Asians. Most of this crap is based on ancient face problems topped off with a delicate layer of European colonial bullshiat

If the Stratotankers all take off, let us know.


It sounded BIG and I think the Air National Guard unit specializes in in-flight refueling. But there was just the one.

/like I said, just fark it. dick waggling has terrible consequences.
 
2013-03-29 02:59:26 PM  
I just think it's kind of fitting that World War III is going to start on Easter weekend.
 
2013-03-29 03:00:18 PM  

tinyarena: What a North Korean attack on the US mainland would look like:
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x171]

What a US attack on North Korea would look like:
[cdn.dipity.com image 600x314]

I'm not seeing the problem here.


The problem is a shiatload of bunkered artillery permanently aimed at Seoul.  There is no way that anyone - including the United States, Russia and China combined - could destroy North Korea's artillery threat before Seoul is shelled to bits.
 
2013-03-29 03:01:11 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: What is autoplay video? Oh you mean stuff for people that don't run flashblock. Silly people.


Heh... I actually had to enable a couple of things in Noscript to get the video to play... just warning those who don't take precautions.
 
2013-03-29 03:01:32 PM  

Atheist_Republican: Until he actually starts firing rockets, I'm of the opinion that he's just doing this to get everyone worked up on purpose, to see how far he can go. Then he'll be like, "Okay guys, I'll back down, but you need to send me a LOT of money."


NK policy is entirely based on that. The problem is, Kim Jong-Un's new at the job. He doesn't quite have the technique of 'threaten to the brink of war but don't actually trigger it' down. Kim Il-Sung never had to do it because China and the Soviet Union helped prop him up. Kim Jong-Il had to because the Soviet Union collapsed, but he had the technique pegged. Kim Jong-Un has no idea where the Rubicon is and he's finding out the hard way that he doesn't know.
 
2013-03-29 03:02:45 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: The B2 bomber can deliver at least the following nuclear weapons:

B-83 bomb: yields 1.2 megatons (75 times the power of the Little Boy), weighs 2400 pounds
B-61 bomb: yields 340 kilotons, weighs 700 pounds

It's capable of carrying 40,000 pounds of weapons. It can't deliver that weight in nuclear weapons, apparently.



Its a size thing, not a weight thing. Conventional explosives are pretty dense, thus small for their weight. A nuclear device is actually a machine that explodes, so it takes up far more volume for less weight than a conventional weapon.
 
2013-03-29 03:02:52 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: The last thing we need is our great warrior/community activist president getting us into another costly war. It's just the kind of stupidity we've come to expect from this thin-skinned, chickenhawk chickensh*t and I bet he's chomping at the bit to jump right in if things go south. As citizens and taxpayers, we must make it a priority to strip war powers from both the president and the congress. All foreign military actions must be paid with war bonds, not tax money, just like World War II. If the people don't support the action and don't buy the bonds, there's no money to fight, and no war. And if our divisive little sh*thead of a president stirs up the usual liberal idiots enough to actually get us involved somewhere, all it will take to get us out is a shift in popular opinion. If we had this model in Iraq, I'm guessing we would have been out after only a couple of years. But the bottom line is this: No tax money for foreign wars!


4/10. Not a bad effort, but could use some more polish.
 
2013-03-29 03:03:14 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: The last thing we need is our great warrior/community activist president getting us into another costly war. It's just the kind of stupidity we've come to expect from this thin-skinned, chickenhawk chickensh*t and I bet he's chomping at the bit to jump right in if things go south. As citizens and taxpayers, we must make it a priority to strip war powers from both the president and the congress. All foreign military actions must be paid with war bonds, not tax money, just like World War II. If the people don't support the action and don't buy the bonds, there's no money to fight, and no war. And if our divisive little sh*thead of a president stirs up the usual liberal idiots enough to actually get us involved somewhere, all it will take to get us out is a shift in popular opinion. If we had this model in Iraq, I'm guessing we would have been out after only a couple of years. But the bottom line is this: No tax money for foreign wars!


There are some wars that you don't get to decide when they start or who you're fighting. NK launches a missile at your stuff, guess what? You're at war now whether you farking like it or not.
 
2013-03-29 03:03:18 PM  

Fribble: I would bet B-2's for SEAD only. If it gets real real we'll send the birds

[www.nationalmuseum.af.mil image 850x686]
[image.rvmagonline.com image 850x1133]


I don't know.  We might save the real good stuff for a more formidable enemy.  No need to waste valuable ICBMs when the B2's are probably nearly invulnerable to whatever NK has got anyway.  Also an airstrike could provide even more surprise if done properly, meaning we could just go after the NK leadership structure without having to carpet-nuke the place.
 
2013-03-29 03:05:29 PM  

CleanAndPure: Most likely N. Korea is bluffing but that doesn't mean there is no danger. The more tension there is, the more likely some mid level officer from either side will make a mistake and panic ordering an attack when a flock of seagulls fly past their radars.



I think balloons would have been more appropriate in that scenario.  99 of them.  Red.
 
2013-03-29 03:08:11 PM  

mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.


....Come to think of it, if Russia takes it as an act of war, that'd make it a real damn short one...

/They're lunatics with vodka, they can probably curbstomp as well as we can.
 
2013-03-29 03:08:38 PM  

Myria: tinyarena: What a North Korean attack on the US mainland would look like:
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x171]

What a US attack on North Korea would look like:
[cdn.dipity.com image 600x314]

I'm not seeing the problem here.

The problem is a shiatload of bunkered artillery permanently aimed at Seoul.  There is no way that anyone - including the United States, Russia and China combined - could destroy North Korea's artillery threat before Seoul is shelled to bits.


inapcache.boston.com
Yeah, sure, okay
 
2013-03-29 03:09:18 PM  

CleanAndPure: Most likely N. Korea is bluffing but that doesn't mean there is no danger. The more tension there is, the more likely some mid level officer from either side will make a mistake and panic ordering an attack when a flock of seagulls fly past their radars.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-29 03:09:23 PM  
Best Korea has no chance of winning a war.  But they can do some major damage to Seol in the 24 to 72 hours they would exist after they started shooting.  They have something like 10,000 heavy artillary pieces that could be fired at Seol.  Even if they only got off one or two barrages, the damage and loss of life would be significant.  If they sent all of the soldiers across the border, they would overwhelm the forces in place to stop them.  Then they'd run out of supplies and be farked.  It would be a  hail marry pass that has no chance of sucess.  But the North Koreans might just be crazy enough to try it.

/I'm ignoring anything China might do
 
2013-03-29 03:10:18 PM  

neongoats: I can't wait until some forum genius starts pants shiatting about container ships. It always happens in these NK threads.

"OMGz NK is gonna send us a container ship with a nuke hidden in it"

Because it's not like our intelligence community knows who, what, when, where, and why about every gram of weapon materiel they have. Oh wait, most likely they know everything down to how many ass hairs Un loses every time he takes a shiat.


Because we've never had a serious intelligence failure involving terrorists pulling off attacks here in the U.S.?
They only have to get lucky once.

And you can hide a nuke in something smaller than a container ship;  hell, if they were ballsy enough, they could load a dirty bomb onto one of their old Romeo subs, drive it close enough to our west coast that detonation would contaminate a big chunk of property.

It's not like they'd worry about sacrificing the crew...
 
2013-03-29 03:10:31 PM  

Gosling: There are some wars that you don't get to decide when they start or who you're fighting. NK launches a missile at your stuff, guess what? You're at war now whether you farking like it or not.


That's a good point. In that case, under what I proposed, I'm guessing the American people would pony up enough cash to 'clear the swamp' over there, and then get out pretty promptly. I'm betting we'd only be over there a few years instead of over a decade. After all, that money would be coming directly out of our pockets, and no matter the cause, that just isn't sustainable indefinitely.
 
2013-03-29 03:10:49 PM  
It's a strategic nightmare that Seoul is some 30 miles from the border - within conventional artillery range of Best Korea.  There would be a lot of people killed and massive economic damage if Best Korea went into a suicidal rage.  Seoul wouldn't be destroyed; it'd just be a huge mess for a long while.  Well, that is, unless the Norks can detonate a nuke there, which is very unlikely.
 
2013-03-29 03:11:06 PM  
 TV ratings will go through the roof.
 
2013-03-29 03:11:26 PM  
Some of you people actually believe North Korea has nukes?
 
2013-03-29 03:12:11 PM  
I find this thread confusing:

1) High activity at missile sites = saber-rattling. Flying planes over NK/aircraft carriers/ Military exercises at SK= just business as usual
2) we want peace = keep sending more military in that area and freaking the NKs out
3) poor NK people dying of hunger = let's go ahead and nuke NK.

I'm missing something, just not sure what.
 
2013-03-29 03:12:12 PM  

another cultural observer: The the big-ass military afterburners just kicked in at the Sky Harbor base. I haven't heard those during the day in a long time. ... If the Stratotankers all take off, let us know.


I guess the idea of S'ing TFU about military activities and troop movements is pre-Dan Rather thinking.
 
2013-03-29 03:12:33 PM  

Myria: tinyarena: What a North Korean attack on the US mainland would look like:
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x171]

What a US attack on North Korea would look like:
[cdn.dipity.com image 600x314]

I'm not seeing the problem here.

The problem is a shiatload of bunkered artillery permanently aimed at Seoul.  There is no way that anyone - including the United States, Russia and China combined - could destroy North Korea's artillery threat before Seoul is shelled to bits.


Oh no, that's wrong...quite a few Farkers have assured me North Korea is absolutely no threat, and SK can handle them within a week.

There won't even be any broken windows in Seoul!
 
2013-03-29 03:13:40 PM  

Resident Muslim: I find this thread confusing:

1) High activity at missile sites = saber-rattling. Flying planes over NK/aircraft carriers/ Military exercises at SK= just business as usual
2) we want peace = keep sending more military in that area and freaking the NKs out
3) poor NK people dying of hunger = let's go ahead and nuke NK.

I'm missing something, just not sure what.


User application errors.
 
2013-03-29 03:13:44 PM  

PunGent: And you can hide a nuke in something smaller than a container ship; hell, if they were ballsy enough, they could load a dirty bomb onto one of their old Romeo subs, drive it close enough to our west coast that detonation would contaminate a big chunk of property.

It's not like they'd worry about sacrificing the crew...


I'd imagine that sub wouldn't be allowed within 1000 miles of Hawaii, let alone the west coast.
 
2013-03-29 03:15:19 PM  

pyrotek85: What are they targeting in Alaska anyway? We have cities there but they're hardly striking at the heart of the USA.


Don't we have a bunch of oil wells and pipelines and whatnot up there?  Pissing off the oil companies would cause some pretty big headaches.  Mostly for NK, but for others as well.
 
2013-03-29 03:16:38 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: The last thing we need is our great warrior/community activist president getting us into another costly war. It's just the kind of stupidity we've come to expect from this thin-skinned, chickenhawk chickensh*t and I bet he's chomping at the bit to jump right in if things go south. As citizens and taxpayers, we must make it a priority to strip war powers from both the president and the congress. All foreign military actions must be paid with war bonds, not tax money, just like World War II. If the people don't support the action and don't buy the bonds, there's no money to fight, and no war. And if our divisive little sh*thead of a president stirs up the usual liberal idiots enough to actually get us involved somewhere, all it will take to get us out is a shift in popular opinion. If we had this model in Iraq, I'm guessing we would have been out after only a couple of years. But the bottom line is this: No tax money for foreign wars!


9/10  You forgot to use Fartbongo.  That cost you a point.
 
2013-03-29 03:17:14 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: another cultural observer: The the big-ass military afterburners just kicked in at the Sky Harbor base. I haven't heard those during the day in a long time. ... If the Stratotankers all take off, let us know.

I guess the idea of S'ing TFU about military activities and troop movements is pre-Dan Rather thinking.


I am not North Korean Intelligence.  I am American.  Baseball!  Mickey Mouse!
 
2013-03-29 03:17:30 PM  
we need to just parachute a couple million tablets/ 3G ipad type things into Best Korea set to instantly play videos debunking the dear leader myth and showing what life is like in worst korea, etc. Like a modern airborne leaflet propaganda campaign. Bonus: keep the iPad
 
2013-03-29 03:18:35 PM  

Fribble: I would bet B-2's for SEAD only.


I'd take that bet.  Never heard of a bomber, much less a B-2, flying SEAD/DEAD.  Plenty of task-specific aircraft in-theater already, I'd think.

/I've lost bets before
 
2013-03-29 03:19:28 PM  
As far as funding any necessary military action, at least the Romans and the rioters in 68 had enough sense to take the loot home.
 
2013-03-29 03:19:47 PM  

Precision Boobery: It's good to know world leaders and prominent diplomats have as much sense as the below-average forum poster.

Don't feed the trolls.  It's a pretty farking simple rule.



So are you saying that we should display no signs of aggression in response to his threats to attack the US? I think that is a terrible idea.

I don't think we should preemptively attack everyone we disagree with around the globe, but allowing countries to make empty threats of nuclear attack is not okay.

This is not feeding a troll. This is making a statement to the world at large. I am a liberal, but I would never claim we should just let NK's threats go without response.
 
2013-03-29 03:21:09 PM  

Hack Patooey: said it had put missiles on stand-by to hit the US.

Hit the US, how?  Are they gonna load em onto trucks and push them off the back?


Not all Asians are good at math I guess.
 
2013-03-29 03:22:11 PM  

fsbilly: we need to just parachute a couple million tablets/ 3G ipad type things into Best Korea set to instantly play videos debunking the dear leader myth and showing what life is like in worst korea, etc. Like a modern airborne leaflet propaganda campaign. Bonus: keep the iPad


Not even that.  I'm sure a few PRK military leaders can be bought.  Somebody should coup d'etat his ass.  We should help.
 
2013-03-29 03:23:48 PM  

wxboy: Fribble: I would bet B-2's for SEAD only. If it gets real real we'll send the birds

[www.nationalmuseum.af.mil image 850x686]
[image.rvmagonline.com image 850x1133]

I don't know.  We might save the real good stuff for a more formidable enemy.  No need to waste valuable ICBMs when the B2's are probably nearly invulnerable to whatever NK has got anyway.  Also an airstrike could provide even more surprise if done properly, meaning we could just go after the NK leadership structure without having to carpet-nuke the place.


I think the risk of exposure is too great for a B-2 nuclear mission. Deterrent from SLBM or ICBM means the B-2 is free to perform SEAD while we create a strike package for the "bunkered" artillery.

Honestly I highly doubt we would need to use boomers against North Korea. This will create quite an issue with the other party to START and may be too politically "radioactive" to occur.
 
2013-03-29 03:24:23 PM  
They cannot feed their people, cannot win a war. My conspiracy theory:
This is a ploy to for the US to get involved so dear leader can open up the society via defeat. They accept the help of the US to rebuild and emulate the south. It's so stupid it just might work.
 
2013-03-29 03:24:56 PM  
Not true, B-2s are often tasked against higher level SAM systems, their design is optimized against the acquisition and target tracking radars of those SAMs.  They are used as DEAD assets as opposed to non stealth aircraft when the SAMs can't be struck with cruise missiles.

/26 years USAF pilot
 
2013-03-29 03:25:17 PM  
Ah, scaled nuclear war.  The notion that if we decimate the entire planet, that 2,000 years later when things start to lose their toxicity and the mutated vegetation re-emerges that whoever is still around to sweep up the ashes has won.  If our species are the smart ones, god help us.
 
2013-03-29 03:26:31 PM  

Resident Muslim: I find this thread confusing:

1) High activity at missile sites = saber-rattling. Flying planes over NK/aircraft carriers/ Military exercises at SK= just business as usual
2) we want peace = keep sending more military in that area and freaking the NKs out
3) poor NK people dying of hunger = let's go ahead and nuke NK.

I'm missing something, just not sure what.


We DO want peace.  Hell, SK want reunification.

NORTH Korea started the last war over there, and has shown no sign of even wanting to sign a formal peace treaty since then.
 
2013-03-29 03:26:44 PM  

Mighty_Joe: neongoats: I can't wait until some forum genius starts pants shiatting about container ships. It always happens in these NK threads.

I searched the last 3 Korea threads and the only person mentioning container ships is you, forum genius.


Oh, snappage.
 
2013-03-29 03:26:50 PM  
Sorry, that was in response to Thunderboy
 
2013-03-29 03:27:57 PM  

ransack.: theorellior: ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle

I've usually heard "circle".

A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester


It's usually circle. It's used in Logic. I looked up references and vicious circle has its own wikipedia page (economics) and although vicious cycle has an entry in the dictionary it's very short compared with vicious circle which fills up the whole page.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vicious+circle
 
2013-03-29 03:28:16 PM  

neongoats: scottydoesntknow: Mighty_Joe: neongoats: I can't wait until some forum genius starts pants shiatting about container ships. It always happens in these NK threads.

I searched the last 3 Korea threads and the only person mentioning container ships is you, forum genius.

It's like Beetlejuice. If he says it enough, something's bound to happen. Not sure what, but something...

I had to sleep and work, missed the last couple threads, but seriously, it will happen. It's the big fantasy they talk about in these threads.. NK smuggles nuke in container ship, blows up San Francisco. I'm actually surprised you hadn't heard of that, its a big popular fark trope about NK attacking us.


[citation needed]
 
2013-03-29 03:28:26 PM  

angrymonday: They cannot feed their people, cannot win a war. My conspiracy theory:
This is a ploy to for the US to get involved so dear leader can open up the society via defeat. They accept the help of the US to rebuild and emulate the south. It's so stupid it just might work.


I have a feeling that Kim Jong Un is not as crazy or dumb as people make him out to be - your theory is actually plausible, though somewhat unlikely.
 
2013-03-29 03:28:54 PM  

pyrotek85: mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.

This. They usually show a flat map and not a globe, so this is less obvious when you're not studying closely. It just makes their threats even more absurd. What are they targeting in Alaska anyway? We have cities there but they're hardly striking at the heart of the USA.


It doesn't matter why they are targeting Alaska, it is the consequences that are truly frightening.  Do you remember what happened when we lost our collective shiat because a group of jackasses killed about 3,000 people by flying a few planes into three buildings?  What on earth do you suppose would happen if this clown killed 30,000 by bombing the city of Anchorage?
 
2013-03-29 03:30:15 PM  

Fribble: wxboy: Fribble: I would bet B-2's for SEAD only. If it gets real real we'll send the birds

[www.nationalmuseum.af.mil image 850x686]
[image.rvmagonline.com image 850x1133]

I don't know.  We might save the real good stuff for a more formidable enemy.  No need to waste valuable ICBMs when the B2's are probably nearly invulnerable to whatever NK has got anyway.  Also an airstrike could provide even more surprise if done properly, meaning we could just go after the NK leadership structure without having to carpet-nuke the place.

I think the risk of exposure is too great for a B-2 nuclear mission. Deterrent from SLBM or ICBM means the B-2 is free to perform SEAD while we create a strike package for the "bunkered" artillery.

Honestly I highly doubt we would need to use boomers against North Korea. This will create quite an issue with the other party to START and may be too politically "radioactive" to occur.


images.military.com

Hai guyz.  What's happening in this thread?  You have a bit of a tactical dilemna?  Maybe I can help.

tn.sawfnews.com

Say hello to my little friend.
 
2013-03-29 03:30:15 PM  

knbber2: Not true, B-2s are often tasked against higher level SAM systems, their design is optimized against the acquisition and target tracking radars of those SAMs.  They are used as DEAD assets as opposed to non stealth aircraft when the SAMs can't be struck with cruise missiles.

/26 years USAF pilot


Interesting, thanks!
 
2013-03-29 03:30:17 PM  

another cultural observer: ha-ha-guy: hubiestubert: It's times like these you have to wonder if folks are regretting dialing the Japanese military back.

Then again, in the prelude to their entry into WWII, the Yakuza were employed to assassinate the Korean Empress, but then again, the Yakuza are more and more at the street level are employing a lot of Korean immigrants, and are sort of profitting with the tensions and smuggling and with drugs. Then again, full blown war would disrupt a LOT of their business too, so asking them for a few favors on clearing up the mess over there might be floated...

Dialing back?  Globally it is a Top 5 military.  It;s only real weakness is a lack of logstics and that doesn't matter much with America helping out and and the fact they're fighting in their back yard.

It's not a "military", that would be unconstitutional!  It's a Self Defense Police Force!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x275]
STOP! POLICE!


I'm no expert, but from what I understand in recent years the Japanese have been wanting to revise their constitution as it currently is very restrictive with how those forces can train, deploy, operate, etc....

They have a decent amount of hardware, and quality stuff (it's not like Japanese engineering is anything to sneer at! Plus we sell them hardware too), but would like to do things like send warships and forces to join peacekeeping missions with the rest of the world instead of just a token few representatives. I'm sure a lot of that is wanting to establish and maintain better relations through their military with the militaries of other nations and developing nations they might be helping in, but I'm also sure some of it is wanting to be able to flex their muscle a bit on the world stage so they'll be taken seriously as a military power by neighbors such as North Korea.

They have a checkered military past, but that was a few generations ago by now and Japan is a different culture today. The WORLD is a different place now. I think they should go ahead and normalize their military.
 
2013-03-29 03:30:27 PM  
Actually, our best bet might be for the N Koreans to do something that really pisses Russia off. I think they view the Russians as a separate entity from other global players, and upon Russian aggression of any kind, they wouldn't retaliate by firing stuff at Seoul because they'd be busy going "wait, why u mad tho?"
 
2013-03-29 03:30:32 PM  

tardological: I just think it's kind of fitting that World War III is going to start on Easter weekend.


I was already planning on spending most of Easter naked and drunk.  Now I have even more reason to do it.  Thanks Best Korea!
 
2013-03-29 03:30:49 PM  
If it comes to war... the more we destroy nk the more we pay to rebuild it.

We won't nuke them even if they nuke Guam or SK.
 
2013-03-29 03:34:13 PM  

PunGent: Oh no, that's wrong...quite a few Farkers have assured me North Korea is absolutely no threat, and SK can handle them within a week.

There won't even be any broken windows in Seoul!


Please name those people / posts.

There's a difference between saying "the threat of North Korean artillery is greatly exaggerated" and saying "no windows would be broken."    That claim is just as false as the claim Seoul would be wiped out completely.

The fact is that a *lot* of the North Korean artillery positions are fake and the ones that aren't are decades old, poorly maintained, never been fired, crewed by men who may have never fired a live round in years or ever.  On top of that, they'd face counter battery fire by foes with some of the best artillery, radar, and fire control systems in the world who are highly trained and have mapped out a lot of the enemy positions.    And that's ignoring the South's complete air superiority.

NK's only advantage is that it might take some time to sort out the fake/non-working artillery positions from the live ones and that they'd be firing into a large city (that's assuming they decide to ignore the South Korean's positions entirely).  Yes there would be civilian casualties but it would hardly be a slaughter.
 
2013-03-29 03:35:06 PM  

Civil Discourse: What on earth do you suppose would happen if this clown killed 30,000 by bombing the city of Anchorage?


Somebody on Fark would blame George Bush?
 
2013-03-29 03:35:15 PM  

OgreMagi: Best Korea has no chance of winning a war.  But they can do some major damage to Seol in the 24 to 72 hours they would exist after they started shooting.  They have something like 10,000 heavy artillary pieces that could be fired at Seol.  Even if they only got off one or two barrages, the damage and loss of life would be significant.  If they sent all of the soldiers across the border, they would overwhelm the forces in place to stop them.  Then they'd run out of supplies and be farked.  It would be a  hail marry pass that has no chance of sucess.  But the North Koreans might just be crazy enough to try it.

/I'm ignoring anything China might do


www.usfunds.com

I wouldn't worry too much about what China would do.  Money talks.
 
2013-03-29 03:35:51 PM  

Thunderboy: Interesting, thanks!


You are welcome, and I added a gift.
 
2013-03-29 03:36:59 PM  
What a collection of short memories.
"The Ruskies have ICBMs and we have to protect ourselves."
"We have to stop Communizzims in Viet Nam."
"We are gonna get Sadam's WMDs."

Will you never farking learn?
 
2013-03-29 03:37:59 PM  

Civil Discourse: pyrotek85: mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.

This. They usually show a flat map and not a globe, so this is less obvious when you're not studying closely. It just makes their threats even more absurd. What are they targeting in Alaska anyway? We have cities there but they're hardly striking at the heart of the USA.

It doesn't matter why they are targeting Alaska, it is the consequences that are truly frightening.  Do you remember what happened when we lost our collective shiat because a group of jackasses killed about 3,000 people by flying a few planes into three buildings?  What on earth do you suppose would happen if this clown killed 30,000 by bombing the city of Anchorage?


You think you're tough for eating beans every day? There's half a million scarecrows in Pyongyang who'd give anything for one mouthful of what you got. They've been under siege for about three months. They live on rats and sawdust bread and sometimes... on each other. At night, the pyres for the dead light up the sky. It's medieval.
 
2013-03-29 03:38:56 PM  

JonPace: Some of you people actually believe North Korea has nukes?


Sure they do.
They bought them from Mr. Haney.
 
2013-03-29 03:39:29 PM  
  I would assume everything has been in place for any shenanigans that the little un' could come up with.
And probably has been for about 40 years. Heavy bombers are already close, (Guam, Diego Garcia),  There is more than enough Navy around to blockade, launch airstrikes, cruise missiles, etc.. The Marines at sea, in Okinawa and in Australia could probably be there PDQ..The U.S. and ROK Army, and Air Forces already there just need to shut off the artillery and hold the line for a little bit. It won't take long for the proverbial
cavalry.

 As an aside..I really would not be surprised if there isn't a sub full of SEALS somewhere close already
waiting to go in and secure anything nuclear. Just to make Un nervous, I might infer that they may already be on the ground there.. :P
 
2013-03-29 03:39:44 PM  

Myria: tinyarena: What a North Korean attack on the US mainland would look like:
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What a US attack on North Korea would look like:
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I'm not seeing the problem here.

The problem is a shiatload of bunkered artillery permanently aimed at Seoul.  There is no way that anyone - including the United States, Russia and China combined - could destroy North Korea's artillery threat before Seoul is shelled to bits.


On the flip side, most of the ammo is 40-50 years old (as are the guns).
 
2013-03-29 03:39:51 PM  

ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle


25.media.tumblr.com

Has heard it both ways.
 
2013-03-29 03:40:13 PM  

angrymonday: They cannot feed their people, cannot win a war. My conspiracy theory:
This is a ploy to for the US to get involved so dear leader can open up the society via defeat. They accept the help of the US to rebuild and emulate the south. It's so stupid it just might work.


Kim won't be permitted to be the guy to lead that rebuild job. He likely won't be allowed to live to see it. He'll go down swinging.
 
2013-03-29 03:40:21 PM  
Are China and Russia really wanting to be the voices of reason, or are they just talking like this because they're not yet ready to back up their crazy-ass cousin should he launch a new M*A*S*H* series?
 
2013-03-29 03:41:46 PM  

JonPace: Some of you people actually believe North Korea has nukes?


i5.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-29 03:43:29 PM  
PS:

I'm actually not sure that this craziness is Fatty DingDong's own doing. He's been outside of the Tragic Kingdom during his college years. He's seen with his own eyes that the rest of the world isn't anything like in the propaganda. He knows what would happen if they attack outside the DMZ.

I suspect the REAL dicks behind these actions are Fatty's uncles in the military, using their big-boned nephew as a figurehead.
 
2013-03-29 03:44:09 PM  

bunner: Ah, scaled nuclear war.  The notion that if we decimate the entire planet, that 2,000 years later when things start to lose their toxicity and the mutated vegetation re-emerges that whoever is still around to sweep up the ashes has won.  If our species are the smart ones, god help us.


It's only a matter of time before there's another nuclear release. Nothing we can do to stop it. Nothing.

Two words: preemptive strike.
 
2013-03-29 03:44:39 PM  
I forget that 30 years ago we in the West were worried about mutual annihilation via nuclear weapons. It's amazing how quickly mindsets can change.

Having said that, I'm amazed at how fast behavior and mindset can change in Asia. The explosion in Communist China is farking amazing.  But what fascinates me is the speed at which barbarism can be swept into a people then disappear. The fascinating thing to me about Japanese treatment of prisoners in WWII isn't that they were so barbaric. It's that in the previous world war, Japan treated her German prisoners of war with respect. There is still German culture in Japan from that POW internment.

Jump ahead 15 years or so and you have organized rape squads, systematic cannibalism, starvation, working prisoners to death, germ warfare experiments. Jump ahead another 15 years and you have Sony in a demilitarized Japan.

One documentary I watched talked about how the Japanese military expanded so greatly in numbers so quickly in time, there was no way to bring the soldiers along with conventional training philosophies. They needed so many soldiers so quickly, the military leadership relied on violence against their own soldiers as a training technique. And if you treat your own soldiers violently, it's hard to preach respect for the enemy or for innocent civilians.
 
2013-03-29 03:45:43 PM  

angrymonday: They cannot feed their people, cannot win a war. My conspiracy theory:
This is a ploy to for the US to get involved so dear leader can open up the society via defeat. They accept the help of the US to rebuild and emulate the south. It's so stupid it just might work.


Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.
 
2013-03-29 03:46:07 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And there is only one voice that North Korea has ever listened to, China. They will do whatever China tells them to unless the people who are actually pulling the strings in NK have gone batshiat nuts.


If China was truly pulling the strings, Best Korea wouldn't be anywhere near nuclear capable.
 
2013-03-29 03:47:00 PM  

Cer10Death: angrymonday: They cannot feed their people, cannot win a war. My conspiracy theory:
This is a ploy to for the US to get involved so dear leader can open up the society via defeat. They accept the help of the US to rebuild and emulate the south. It's so stupid it just might work.

Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.


No no... we CAN... we just choose not to do it.
 
2013-03-29 03:47:25 PM  

TV's Vinnie: PS:

I'm actually not sure that this craziness is Fatty DingDong's own doing. He's been outside of the Tragic Kingdom during his college years. He's seen with his own eyes that the rest of the world isn't anything like in the propaganda. He knows what would happen if they attack outside the DMZ.

I suspect the REAL dicks behind these actions are Fatty's uncles in the military, using their big-boned nephew as a figurehead.


This.
 
2013-03-29 03:48:05 PM  

neongoats: Cer10Death: angrymonday: They cannot feed their people, cannot win a war. My conspiracy theory:
This is a ploy to for the US to get involved so dear leader can open up the society via defeat. They accept the help of the US to rebuild and emulate the south. It's so stupid it just might work.

Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

No no... we CAN... we just choose not to do it.


Touche'. Point taken.
 
2013-03-29 03:50:11 PM  
I blame Obama. But then again, I blame Obama for just about everything and I mean everything. Before him, I blamed Bush and before him, Clinton. See how that goes?

Oh, I blame Congress on everything too. Just seems like the thing to do.
 
2013-03-29 03:51:32 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: PunGent: Oh no, that's wrong...quite a few Farkers have assured me North Korea is absolutely no threat, and SK can handle them within a week.

There won't even be any broken windows in Seoul!

Please name those people / posts.


Bored?  Why would this be so important to you?  Move on to the next post, laugh at him, and relax.  It's not that big of a deal.
 
2013-03-29 03:52:35 PM  
maybe the plan is to thin the herd so anyone left gets a bigger share (tree bark,grass,dog,etc)
 
2013-03-29 03:52:52 PM  

Hack Patooey: said it had put missiles on stand-by to hit the US.

Hit the US, how?  Are they gonna load em onto trucks and push them off the back?



media.salon.com

"They actually have access to nuclear materials that they are beginning to convert into some sort of bomb that they will eventually put into a missile and 500 (North Koreans) will throw it at us."

/yes, I know he was talking about Iran, but it kinda fits anyway ..
 
2013-03-29 03:53:24 PM  

Jaws_Victim: mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.

I wonder what would happen when those rockets inevitably fail to make their target and land on Chinese or Russian soil.


They're not so deluded that they believe they can reach Austin or DC. They *know* they can reach Seoul, though. That wouldn't be a good thing.
 
2013-03-29 03:55:28 PM  

SithLord: TheShavingofOccam123: Gosh, if Best Korea pulls a Serbia and shoots down a B2, do you think they'll be nice and return the nuclear weapons from our bomber?

I don't think they can see our stealth bombers at night.  They have a hard enough time seeing in the daylight as it is.


Because you can blindfold them with dental floss?

/**ducks**
 
2013-03-29 03:55:56 PM  

ransack.: A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester


Huh?  If it's nothing more than a simple saying, then how can "everyone" be wrong?  There is no technically "right" way to say it - it is just something lots of people say.  If those people almost always say it one way over the other, then for all tents in porpoises, that is the correct way.

Circle of life, cycle of life...vicious circle, vicious cycle....pretty darn interchangeable.
 
2013-03-29 03:56:06 PM  
Listen, I'm no expert on world affairs, but it seems to me that Fattie McFattison is young enough to realize that the world revolves around the Almighty Dollar (or Euro, or Yen, or Deutchmark or whatever). Trade and the sharing of resources on a global scale is really what makes the world go 'round. Turning his own country into a glass parking lot makes no sense on any level, no matter how crazy we may think he is.

I agree with angrymonday. This is a ploy to open up Best Korea to the spoils of being part of the world economic stage.

Or perhaps I've ingested too much Sauvignon Blanc. Either one.
 
2013-03-29 03:56:17 PM  
Best Korea tends to get pretty uppity at predictable times: they install a new God-boy-king, and, South Korean elections. We're getting a double dose of derp from them right now. Ride it out, and treat them like the trolls they are. Ignore them.
 
2013-03-29 03:57:15 PM  

Cer10Death: angrymonday: They cannot feed their people, cannot win a war. My conspiracy theory:
This is a ploy to for the US to get involved so dear leader can open up the society via defeat. They accept the help of the US to rebuild and emulate the south. It's so stupid it just might work.

Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.


From a pure logistical standpoint yes we could, very easily. However we don't because socialism. Even if we suddenly had a windfall of 100 Trillion dollars, that guy standing on the corner of the street with the sign is still going to be there.
 
2013-03-29 03:58:28 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: I forget that 30 years ago we in the West were worried about mutual annihilation via nuclear weapons. It's amazing how quickly mindsets can change.


It's the only thing on anybodys mind.  It is the only reason North Korea isn't a pile of rubble.  Even without Nukes, NK would lay waste to large sections of SK.

The question is now... do we want to stop them now, or when they have fully working nuclear tipped missiles aimed to San Fransisco.
 
2013-03-29 03:58:37 PM  
I think thr odds of a nuclear exchange are pretty much nil. Even if North Korea lauches the odds that the missile would even work much less the warhead are also nil. More realistically North Korea would just shell Seoul into oblivion and then we would roll over them like a steamroller.
 
2013-03-29 03:59:19 PM  

IamAwake: ransack.: A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester

Huh?  If it's nothing more than a simple saying, then how can "everyone" be wrong?  There is no technically "right" way to say it - it is just something lots of people say.  If those people almost always say it one way over the other, then for all tents in porpoises, that is the correct way.

Circle of life, cycle of life...vicious circle, vicious cycle....pretty darn interchangeable.


Especially to those damned vicious motorcircle gangs.
 
2013-03-29 04:00:57 PM  

TV's Vinnie: PS:

I'm actually not sure that this craziness is Fatty DingDong's own doing. He's been outside of the Tragic Kingdom during his college years. He's seen with his own eyes that the rest of the world isn't anything like in the propaganda. He knows what would happen if they attack outside the DMZ.

I suspect the REAL dicks behind these actions are Fatty's uncles in the military, using their big-boned nephew as a figurehead.


Pretty much what I'm figuring.  Much like the Emperor of Japan during World War II, he might have authority, but mostly he's along for the ride.  You pretty much figure that their old equipment isn't going to get replaced, they have the missiles they think will wipe out their enemies or at least ruin their week, and with a population that is slowly starving to death slowly while their neighbors to the south live well, it's pretty much now or never.
 
2013-03-29 04:01:03 PM  
 
2013-03-29 04:01:44 PM  

TV's Vinnie: I suspect the REAL dicks behind these actions are Fatty's uncles in the military, using their big-boned nephew as a figurehead.


And I suspect we're all referring to him as an idea/figurehead.  We all take pretty extensive shortcuts in our communication, laden with vast inferences and implications, because to do otherwise would mean we'd converse at the speed of Ents.
 
2013-03-29 04:03:05 PM  
On one hand, we've been through this song and dance before.
On the other hand, North Korea didn't have nukes and missiles (for a varying definition of nuke and missile). And they didn't have China telling them, "Stop it with the nukes already, only we get to play with those." And who knows what changed between Kim Jong-Il and Kim Jong-Un.

I don't know. Its certainly interesting times, I'll tell you that much.
 
2013-03-29 04:03:41 PM  

Tillmaster: If NK uses nuclear weapons, why would you assume that we'd retaliate in kind? The US has more than enough conventional weapons to seriously ruin their day, and we could do so without screwing up our relationship with our allies-du-jour.


Long stated US policy. You use any chemical,biological or nuclear weapon against us and we will use our nukes.
 
2013-03-29 04:03:55 PM  

Cer10Death: I blame Obama. But then again, I blame Obama for just about everything and I mean everything. Before him, I blamed Bush and before him, Clinton. See how that goes?

Oh, I blame Congress on everything too. Just seems like the thing to do.


I realize you probably meant that the other way 'round, but upon reflection, I find your actual phrasing more insightful.

"The local news reported record high levels of Congress in the water tables."
"A new device designed for detecting Congress on interplanetary bodies was launched today."
"Dammit!  How the hell did we get all this Congress in the air ducts?"

:-)
 
2013-03-29 04:04:25 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Especially to those damned vicious motorcircle gangs.


media.screened.com
 
2013-03-29 04:04:43 PM  

Cer10Death: Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.


What in God's name are you talking about? American poor struggle with obesity. It's like the textbook definition of first-world problems.
 
2013-03-29 04:05:28 PM  

xaldin: Cer10Death: angrymonday: They cannot feed their people, cannot win a war. My conspiracy theory:
This is a ploy to for the US to get involved so dear leader can open up the society via defeat. They accept the help of the US to rebuild and emulate the south. It's so stupid it just might work.

Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

From a pure logistical standpoint yes we could, very easily. However we don't because socialism. Even if we suddenly had a windfall of 100 Trillion dollars, that guy standing on the corner of the street with the sign is still going to be there.


Exactly how I think...
 
2013-03-29 04:05:40 PM  

ransack.: theorellior: ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle

I've usually heard "circle".

A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester


and I could care less...

/just kidding
//if "everyone" says it, then it is correct, that is the way language works.
 
2013-03-29 04:06:04 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: mr_a: To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.

If they do that, they've got everyone else in North Korea to worry about.
It'd be like if you knew someone who had a really bad situation at home, but you don't want to offer to let them crash at your place because you know they'd never ever leave.

================

This.

North Korea is a nation of children.  They won't be able to function in a society of grownups .  Nobody wants to deal with building them a new play pen.  It's like the "Volga Germans"  Stalin had deported to Siberia.  After the USSR collapsed, Germany offered these people German passports.  Now the German government is paying the "Russian-Germans" to go back to Russia.  They can't be assimilated into a modern society after spending 60 years in a gulag.
 
2013-03-29 04:06:26 PM  
FTA:  "North Korean state media reported leader Kim Jong-un "judged the time has come to settle accounts with the US imperialists get more free food aid from the US". "
 
2013-03-29 04:07:14 PM  

This text is now purple: Cer10Death: Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

What in God's name are you talking about? American poor struggle with obesity. It's like the textbook definition of first-world problems.


what are you talking about?
many kids go to bed hungry in this country.
i feed lots of them at an outreach center every week.
 
2013-03-29 04:09:18 PM  
The problem with China's statement it says 'both sides', which to crazy North Korea looks like they are siding with them.  You know, the way when you tell a Tea Party member that you don't like some of Obama's policies and suddenly they start showing you birther stuff?
 
2013-03-29 04:09:54 PM  

quantum_csc: ransack.: theorellior: ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle

I've usually heard "circle".

A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester

and I could care less...


I heard it was "couldn't care less".

/cue "Not this shiat again" pic.
 
2013-03-29 04:10:46 PM  

This text is now purple: Cer10Death: Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

What in God's name are you talking about? American poor struggle with obesity. It's like the textbook definition of first-world problems.


I spent time in Appalachia doing rural medicine. I can tell you, we cannot feed them. We choose not to feed a lot of areas in this country. It is you who doesn't know what you're talking about. Spend sometime on an Native American reservation.

Areas in this country are struggling with obesity because they are going to McDonald's for their meals because that's all they can afford.

Do a little research before spouting off. Just a little, then you might know what you're talking about.

How about a visit to the Centers for Disease Control website.
 
2013-03-29 04:11:13 PM  

HoratioGates: The problem with China's statement it says 'both sides', which to crazy North Korea looks like they are siding with them.  You know, the way when you tell a Tea Party member that you don't like some of Obama's policies and suddenly they start showing you birther stuff?


As long as they don't start showing me afterbirther stuff. Blech!
 
2013-03-29 04:14:05 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: quantum_csc: ransack.: theorellior: ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle

I've usually heard "circle".

A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester

and I could care less...

I heard it was "couldn't care less".

/cue "Not this shiat again" pic.


Well, if I could care less, then there's enough caring going on to justify the ability to do less of it.  But if I couldn't care less, then the caring level is so low that my inability to care less shows just how little I do care.

/drunk
//doesn't really care
 
2013-03-29 04:15:35 PM  
Would it be so bad for Obama just to come riight out and say "Look Un, we really just don't want to get into a tangle with you that will end badly for a lot of innocent people. Let's meet somewhere, grill some fish, have a couple beers and just get to know each other?"
 
2013-03-29 04:18:04 PM  

CleanAndPure: The more tension there is, the more likely some mid level officer from either side will make a mistake and panic ordering an attack when a flock of seagulls fly past their radars.


No way brah, His Plumped Up Badness grooves on some Space Age Love Song.

i1168.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-29 04:19:17 PM  

theorellior: ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle

I've usually heard "circle".


I always thought it was "cycle," which makes far more sense to me than "circle," but apparently I was wrong.
 
2013-03-29 04:20:52 PM  

DownDaRiver: Would it be so bad for Obama just to come riight out and say "Look Un, we really just don't want to get into a tangle with you that will end badly for a lot of innocent people. Let's meet somewhere, grill some fish, have a couple beers and just get to know each other?"


Or they could do what Hawkeye Pierce suggested:

"...I was thinking of something more like specimen bottles at 20 paces..."
 
2013-03-29 04:22:57 PM  
An attack on US soil you say?  They must have sent spies into the US and dug up a few yards of dirt and put it beside their missile launch pads.
 
2013-03-29 04:28:21 PM  

Popular Opinion: This text is now purple: Cer10Death: Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

What in God's name are you talking about? American poor struggle with obesity. It's like the textbook definition of first-world problems.

what are you talking about?
many kids go to bed hungry in this country.
i feed lots of them at an outreach center every week.


Somebody has already covered this.  The USofA could easily feed every person 3 square meals a day of healthy food.  Provide every single person with comfortable local weather appropriate clothing to any who need it and healthcare to cover all emergency and comfortable quality of lief medical problems up to and including vision and dental.   The USA can do this, easily, without raising taxes even.
We as a country choose not to.  Its a choice.  Never forget that.
 
2013-03-29 04:30:10 PM  

over_and_done: Cer10Death: I blame Obama. But then again, I blame Obama for just about everything and I mean everything. Before him, I blamed Bush and before him, Clinton. See how that goes?

Oh, I blame Congress on everything too. Just seems like the thing to do.

I realize you probably meant that the other way 'round, but upon reflection, I find your actual phrasing more insightful.

"The local news reported record high levels of Congress in the water tables."
"A new device designed for detecting Congress on interplanetary bodies was launched today."
"Dammit!  How the hell did we get all this Congress in the air ducts?"

:-)


Or more likely "Careful where you step - you might get Congress on your shoe".

"Too late! Oh Congress!"
 
2013-03-29 04:38:38 PM  

PunGent: neongoats: I can't wait until some forum genius starts pants shiatting about container ships. It always happens in these NK threads.

"OMGz NK is gonna send us a container ship with a nuke hidden in it"

Because it's not like our intelligence community knows who, what, when, where, and why about every gram of weapon materiel they have. Oh wait, most likely they know everything down to how many ass hairs Un loses every time he takes a shiat.

Because we've never had a serious intelligence failure involving terrorists pulling off attacks here in the U.S.?
They only have to get lucky once.

And you can hide a nuke in something smaller than a container ship;  hell, if they were ballsy enough, they could load a dirty bomb onto one of their old Romeo subs, drive it close enough to our west coast that detonation would contaminate a big chunk of property.

It's not like they'd worry about sacrificing the crew...


What are you talking about? That has never happened. 9/11 was Bush contracting out an act of terrorism to get what he wanted. Well really Dick Chaney, but George Bush rubber stamped it. 9/11 was no intelligence failure the Bush administration deliberately caused it.
 
2013-03-29 04:43:03 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Ferocious, Weak, and Crazy: The North Korean Strategy


Good read, thanks!
 
2013-03-29 04:50:08 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: The last thing we need is our great warrior/community activist president getting us into another costly war. It's just the kind of stupidity we've come to expect from this thin-skinned, chickenhawk chickensh*t and I bet he's chomping at the bit to jump right in if things go south. As citizens and taxpayers, we must make it a priority to strip war powers from both the president and the congress. All foreign military actions must be paid with war bonds, not tax money, just like World War II. If the people don't support the action and don't buy the bonds, there's no money to fight, and no war. And if our divisive little sh*thead of a president stirs up the usual liberal idiots enough to actually get us involved somewhere, all it will take to get us out is a shift in popular opinion. If we had this model in Iraq, I'm guessing we would have been out after only a couple of years. But the bottom line is this: No tax money for foreign wars!


This post is from ten years ago. None of it pertains to right now but it works well for Bush/Iraq.
 
2013-03-29 04:50:25 PM  

orclover: Popular Opinion: This text is now purple: Cer10Death: Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

What in God's name are you talking about? American poor struggle with obesity. It's like the textbook definition of first-world problems.

what are you talking about?
many kids go to bed hungry in this country.
i feed lots of them at an outreach center every week.

Somebody has already covered this.  The USofA could easily feed every person 3 square meals a day of healthy food.  Provide every single person with comfortable local weather appropriate clothing to any who need it and healthcare to cover all emergency and comfortable quality of lief medical problems up to and including vision and dental.   The USA can do this, easily, without raising taxes even.
We as a country choose not to.  Its a choice.  Never forget that.


because we allow drug addicts and lazy asshats to abuse the system and take resources from those that really need it. i blame liberals.
 
2013-03-29 04:53:20 PM  

orclover: Popular Opinion: This text is now purple: Cer10Death: Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

What in God's name are you talking about? American poor struggle with obesity. It's like the textbook definition of first-world problems.

what are you talking about?
many kids go to bed hungry in this country.
i feed lots of them at an outreach center every week.

Somebody has already covered this.  The USofA could easily feed every person 3 square meals a day of healthy food.  Provide every single person with comfortable local weather appropriate clothing to any who need it and healthcare to cover all emergency and comfortable quality of lief medical problems up to and including vision and dental.   The USA can do this, easily, without raising taxes even.
We as a country choose not to.  Its a choice.  Never forget that.


To do that, we would have to disband the military, and the entire military complex.  It would put roughly 20% of the country out of work.  I'm fairly certain you haven't thought your cunning plan all the way through.
 
2013-03-29 04:54:44 PM  

orclover: Provide every single person with comfortable local weather


These damned army experiments are going to bite us in the ass one day.
 
2013-03-29 04:54:57 PM  
North Korea attacks on our mainland?

WOLVERINES!!
 
2013-03-29 04:55:12 PM  

Pud: The problem is not the N. Korean people. They are too busy just trying to find a tree with enough bark on it left to eat. The problem is the leadership that has been treated with this god-like reverence that is sure to go to their head. The real concern is that Kim Jong-un actually feels that he could simply fire a few missiles at those he doesn't like and they will simply go away. After all. He's all that, and a bagel with cream cheese. Our response could never touch them, for he is Kim Jong-un. Resistance is futile.


I wonder if he is actually that clueless about the US's military might. Perhaps he sees the overblown, often fake propaganda his country's media makes about his military's might and thinks that the US is faking or at least overblowing their power too. Like he can't believe any country could be *that* powerful.
 
2013-03-29 04:59:07 PM  

Resident Muslim: I find this thread confusing:

1) High activity at missile sites = saber-rattling. Flying planes over NK/aircraft carriers/ Military exercises at SK= just business as usual
2) we want peace = keep sending more military in that area and freaking the NKs out
3) poor NK people dying of hunger = let's go ahead and nuke NK.

I'm missing something, just not sure what.

1) It's not just the 'high activity' at missile sites.  It's the painting the buses, pulling equipment out of bunkers, high activity at all military sites combined with the cutting of the direct line and threatening press releases.
2) - Ever heard the term "Those that wish for peace should prepare for war"?  NK is antagonistic, in some ways it WANTS to attack, or present the appearance.  While the press releases say that us doing X is "freaking the NKs out", think of a fighter that's blustering and psyching himself up to attack you.  You 'suddenly' pull out a gun.  Sure, it'll freak him out, but it'll also make him less likely to attack.
3 - well, I'll give you this one.  Call it 'internet troll'.
 
2013-03-29 05:00:26 PM  

fireclown: xaldin: CleanAndPure: Give peace a chance.

We agree to give Korea Dennis Rodman in exchange for all their uranium.

Its a fair and equal exchange of unstable commodities.

Not sure it qualifies as fair. I think the beads we gave the Indian tribes for land was a better deal quite honestly.

Fine.  We'll throw in Sean Penn, Genine Garafolo, the entire Penn State football team/coaching staff and Ray Lewis for good measure.


You forgot the Kardashians and Bruce Jenner.
 
2013-03-29 05:01:02 PM  
The B-2 can not only carry two 30,000 MOP bunker busters, but also the air burst MOAB, which at 26,400 pounds will give a pressure blast about the same as a 10 kiloton nuclear air burst detonation.   But its blast wave lasts longer.
 
2013-03-29 05:01:23 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Un-coming
[www.tucsonsentinel.com image 609x354]

ok that's funny.


And there is only one voice that North Korea has ever listened to, China. They will do whatever China tells them to unless the people who are actually pulling the strings in NK have gone batshiat nuts.

Does anyone really think that Jung Un has any real power?


I seriously doubt all these crazy rhetorics are coming at the urging of China. Seriously doubt it! If nything china is probabloy urging them to tone it out and it's been futile so far...For some strange reason a lot of folks keep thinking about China's pull or influence on NK leadership. I don't think China has anywhere close to the pull like what most Americans like yourself or people outside of Asia think.
 
2013-03-29 05:01:53 PM  

ristst: CleanAndPure: The more tension there is, the more likely some mid level officer from either side will make a mistake and panic ordering an attack when a flock of seagulls fly past their radars.

No way brah, His Plumped Up Badness grooves on some Space Age Love Song.

[i1168.photobucket.com image 268x205]


With help from I Ran?
 
2013-03-29 05:02:24 PM  
Imagine the confusion if they attacked on April fools day.
 
2013-03-29 05:04:05 PM  

another cultural observer: ha-ha-guy: hubiestubert: It's times like these you have to wonder if folks are regretting dialing the Japanese military back.

Then again, in the prelude to their entry into WWII, the Yakuza were employed to assassinate the Korean Empress, but then again, the Yakuza are more and more at the street level are employing a lot of Korean immigrants, and are sort of profitting with the tensions and smuggling and with drugs. Then again, full blown war would disrupt a LOT of their business too, so asking them for a few favors on clearing up the mess over there might be floated...

Dialing back?  Globally it is a Top 5 military.  It;s only real weakness is a lack of logstics and that doesn't matter much with America helping out and and the fact they're fighting in their back yard.

It's not a "military", that would be unconstitutional!  It's a Self Defense Police Force!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x275]
STOP! POLICE!


And this is what they are calling a destroyer since they are not allowed aircraft carriers:

www.marinebuzz.com
JMSDF Hyuga Class Destroyer
 
2013-03-29 05:04:19 PM  

PsiChick: mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.

....Come to think of it, if Russia takes it as an act of war, that'd make it a real damn short one...

/They're lunatics with vodka, they can probably curbstomp as well as we can.


You mean the same lunatics that can't even properly engage a bunch of Georgian farmers and retreated with tails between their legs?

Georgia as in the east european country, not the state to Americans.
 
2013-03-29 05:04:56 PM  

Kahabut: orclover: Popular Opinion: This text is now purple: Cer10Death: Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

What in God's name are you talking about? American poor struggle with obesity. It's like the textbook definition of first-world problems.

what are you talking about?
many kids go to bed hungry in this country.
i feed lots of them at an outreach center every week.

Somebody has already covered this.  The USofA could easily feed every person 3 square meals a day of healthy food.  Provide every single person with comfortable local weather appropriate clothing to any who need it and healthcare to cover all emergency and comfortable quality of lief medical problems up to and including vision and dental.   The USA can do this, easily, without raising taxes even.
We as a country choose not to.  Its a choice.  Never forget that.

To do that, we would have to disband the military, and the entire military complex.  It would put roughly 20% of the country out of work.  I'm fairly certain you haven't thought your cunning plan all the way through.


Disband the military?  I said feed, cloth care for every person who needs it.  Not send half the populace to a viable and permanently sustained mars colony.  Although that would solve its own problem so I like your plan better.  Move to mars, fark planet earth.  By the time any other nation could actually invade us in a few hundred years we would be well past being prepared for them.  Yea, I like your plan even more now.  Disband the military and lets get off this farking rock.
 
2013-03-29 05:07:06 PM  

hasty ambush: another cultural observer: ha-ha-guy: hubiestubert: It's times like these you have to wonder if folks are regretting dialing the Japanese military back.

Then again, in the prelude to their entry into WWII, the Yakuza were employed to assassinate the Korean Empress, but then again, the Yakuza are more and more at the street level are employing a lot of Korean immigrants, and are sort of profitting with the tensions and smuggling and with drugs. Then again, full blown war would disrupt a LOT of their business too, so asking them for a few favors on clearing up the mess over there might be floated...

Dialing back?  Globally it is a Top 5 military.  It;s only real weakness is a lack of logstics and that doesn't matter much with America helping out and and the fact they're fighting in their back yard.

It's not a "military", that would be unconstitutional!  It's a Self Defense Police Force!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x275]
STOP! POLICE!

And this is what they are calling a destroyer since they are not allowed aircraft carriers:

[www.marinebuzz.com image 850x587]
JMSDF Hyuga Class Destroyer


That's pretty sweet, actually. Imagine that as a drone launching platform.. how many drones could they store in crates in the hold of that guy.
 
2013-03-29 05:08:28 PM  

mekki: Pud: The problem is not the N. Korean people. They are too busy just trying to find a tree with enough bark on it left to eat. The problem is the leadership that has been treated with this god-like reverence that is sure to go to their head. The real concern is that Kim Jong-un actually feels that he could simply fire a few missiles at those he doesn't like and they will simply go away. After all. He's all that, and a bagel with cream cheese. Our response could never touch them, for he is Kim Jong-un. Resistance is futile.

I wonder if he is actually that clueless about the US's military might. Perhaps he sees the overblown, often fake propaganda his country's media makes about his military's might and thinks that the US is faking or at least overblowing their power too. Like he can't believe any country could be *that* powerful.


Maybe he does suffer from the Kim God complex, but it's fairly certain he spent most of his young education in Switzerland (google/GIS "pak-un") up to about 2000.  He should be well-versed in Western life and ways as well as the outside-in view of North Korea.  I tend to think he's sane enough, savvy enough to be following a strategy.  He *could* be young enough to be rash and risk stepping over some line, but no... I think it's all part of a plan.
 
2013-03-29 05:14:02 PM  
I live on Oahu. Within 25 miles of me, we have 2 Air Force bases, 2 Army bases and an Army hospital, 1 Marine Corp base and 2 Navy bases. If the N. Koreans try to hit US soil, we're just as much of a likely target as Alaska, maybe more so. I realize an attack isn't highly likely, but still, it makes me pretty nervous because being so isolated in the middle of the Pacific makes us vulnerable.
 
2013-03-29 05:14:33 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And there is only one voice that North Korea has ever listened to, China. They will do whatever China tells them to unless the people who are actually pulling the strings in NK have gone batshiat nuts.

If China was truly pulling the strings, Best Korea wouldn't be anywhere near nuclear capable.


cineplex.media.baselineresearch.com

Chinese?! *Korean* is the most perfect creature ever to sanctify the earth with the imprint of its foot!

/why, yes, that *is* Kate Mulgrew on the right
 
2013-03-29 05:15:49 PM  

Atomic Spunk: I live on Oahu. Within 25 miles of me, we have 2 Air Force bases, 2 Army bases and an Army hospital, 1 Marine Corp base and 2 Navy bases. If the N. Koreans try to hit US soil, we're just as much of a likely target as Alaska, maybe more so. I realize an attack isn't highly likely, but still, it makes me pretty nervous because being so isolated in the middle of the Pacific makes us vulnerable.


Yeah but being in Hawaii makes up for it, right? If you are going to live under the threat of nuclear annihilation, that's the place to be doing it.
 
2013-03-29 05:17:08 PM  

ginkor: The B-2 can not only carry two 30,000 MOP bunker busters, but also the air burst MOAB, which at 26,400 pounds will give a pressure blast about the same as a 10 kiloton nuclear air burst detonation.   But its blast wave lasts longer.


The B-2 carries MOAB? I didn't think a whole town in Utah would fit in there.
 
2013-03-29 05:17:21 PM  
I never realized FARK had so many well informed Tactical Keyboard Strategists. It's a relief to know we're in good hands.
 
2013-03-29 05:20:36 PM  

joonyer: I never realized FARK had so many well informed Tactical Keyboard Strategists. It's a relief to know we're in good hands.


You've been on fark for like 6 years and just now noticing? We dub thee "speedy" joonyer.
 
2013-03-29 05:21:47 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And there is only one voice that North Korea has ever listened to, China. They will do whatever China tells them to unless the people who are actually pulling the strings in NK have gone batshiat nuts.

If China was truly pulling the strings, Best Korea wouldn't be anywhere near nuclear capable.

[cineplex.media.baselineresearch.com image 700x508]

Chinese?! *Korean* is the most perfect creature ever to sanctify the earth with the imprint of its foot!

/why, yes, that *is* Kate Mulgrew on the right


Loved that movie
 
2013-03-29 05:25:10 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And there is only one voice that North Korea has ever listened to, China. They will do whatever China tells them to unless the people who are actually pulling the strings in NK have gone batshiat nuts.

If China was truly pulling the strings, Best Korea wouldn't be anywhere near nuclear capable.

[cineplex.media.baselineresearch.com image 700x508]

Chinese?! *Korean* is the most perfect creature ever to sanctify the earth with the imprint of its foot!

/why, yes, that *is* Kate Mulgrew on the right


Aww , is that her first  Chakotay?


/yes, I know that's not Robert Beltran.
 
2013-03-29 05:35:57 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: What are you talking about? That has never happened. 9/11 was Bush contracting out an act of terrorism to get what he wanted. Well really Dick Chaney, but George Bush rubber stamped it. 9/11 was no intelligence failure the Bush administration deliberately caused it.


i158.photobucket.com

Tagged and released for future observation
 
2013-03-29 05:38:05 PM  

Pud: The problem is not the N. Korean people. They are too busy just trying to find a tree with enough bark on it left to eat. The problem is the leadership that has been treated with this god-like reverence that is sure to go to their head. The real concern is that Kim Jong-un actually feels that he could simply fire a few missiles at those he doesn't like and they will simply go away. After all. He's all that, and a bagel with cream cheese. Our response could never touch them, for he is Kim Jong-un. Resistance is futile.

China

FTFY
 
2013-03-29 05:38:39 PM  

neongoats: joonyer: I never realized FARK had so many well informed Tactical Keyboard Strategists. It's a relief to know we're in good hands.

You've been on fark for like 6 years and just now noticing? We dub thee "speedy" joonyer.


I just never before realized the depth of tactical and strategerical knowledge. Truly impressive.
 
2013-03-29 05:43:32 PM  

PunGent: they could load a dirty bomb onto one of their old Romeo subs, drive it close enough to our west coast that detonation would contaminate a big chunk of property.


I doubt that. At least not without us knowing it's there. It's diesel-electric . You know how noisy those things are? Doubt it would have the range either. The pacific ocean is a big place.
 
2013-03-29 05:48:02 PM  

Popular Opinion: This text is now purple: Cer10Death: Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

What in God's name are you talking about? American poor struggle with obesity. It's like the textbook definition of first-world problems.

what are you talking about?
many kids go to bed hungry in this country.
i feed lots of them at an outreach center every week.


That's not an absence of food. That's not even an unwillingness to feed the needy.

There will always be people who go without, even under the most stringent conditions of oversight and forced supply. People go hungry in armies and in prisons.

Besides -- look at your last line. There are many places to find food for little or nothing. Do you know anyone who has resorted to eating grass (out of need, not because, you know, young bamboo is tasty)? Do you think any Best Korean's don't know someone doing that?
 
2013-03-29 05:48:11 PM  
imageshack.us
 
2013-03-29 05:49:09 PM  

KillerAttackParrot: The pacific ocean is a big place.


farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2013-03-29 05:52:25 PM  

Gosling: Atheist_Republican: Until he actually starts firing rockets, I'm of the opinion that he's just doing this to get everyone worked up on purpose, to see how far he can go. Then he'll be like, "Okay guys, I'll back down, but you need to send me a LOT of money."

NK policy is entirely based on that. The problem is, Kim Jong-Un's new at the job. He doesn't quite have the technique of 'threaten to the brink of war but don't actually trigger it' down. Kim Il-Sung never had to do it because China and the Soviet Union helped prop him up. Kim Jong-Il had to because the Soviet Union collapsed, but he had the technique pegged. Kim Jong-Un has no idea where the Rubicon is and he's finding out the hard way that he doesn't know.


This is interesting. Itcame up in conversation today. Is Junior calling the shots or is it the old military? One does have to wonder.
 
2013-03-29 05:57:45 PM  

Myria: tinyarena: What a North Korean attack on the US mainland would look like:
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x171]

What a US attack on North Korea would look like:
[cdn.dipity.com image 600x314]

I'm not seeing the problem here.

The problem is a shiatload of bunkered artillery permanently aimed at Seoul.  There is no way that anyone - including the United States, Russia and China combined - could destroy North Korea's artillery threat before Seoul is shelled to bits.


We could with a pre-emptive strike with missles, but that might annoy China.
 
2013-03-29 06:03:17 PM  

joonyer: neongoats: joonyer: I never realized FARK had so many well informed Tactical Keyboard Strategists. It's a relief to know we're in good hands.

You've been on fark for like 6 years and just now noticing? We dub thee "speedy" joonyer.

I just never before realized the depth of tactical and strategerical knowledge. Truly impressive.


Truly deep strategy is usually surprising.

[pic of blue surprise butt secks lady]

/maybe even supersizing
 
2013-03-29 06:05:06 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: PunGent: neongoats: I can't wait until some forum genius starts pants shiatting about container ships. It always happens in these NK threads.

"OMGz NK is gonna send us a container ship with a nuke hidden in it"

Because it's not like our intelligence community knows who, what, when, where, and why about every gram of weapon materiel they have. Oh wait, most likely they know everything down to how many ass hairs Un loses every time he takes a shiat.

Because we've never had a serious intelligence failure involving terrorists pulling off attacks here in the U.S.?
They only have to get lucky once.

And you can hide a nuke in something smaller than a container ship;  hell, if they were ballsy enough, they could load a dirty bomb onto one of their old Romeo subs, drive it close enough to our west coast that detonation would contaminate a big chunk of property.

It's not like they'd worry about sacrificing the crew...

What are you talking about? That has never happened. 9/11 was Bush contracting out an act of terrorism to get what he wanted. Well really Dick Chaney, but George Bush rubber stamped it. 9/11 was no intelligence failure the Bush administration deliberately caused it.


www.aguywalksinto365bars.com

That poor poor chicken.....
 
2013-03-29 06:06:44 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: PsiChick: mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.

....Come to think of it, if Russia takes it as an act of war, that'd make it a real damn short one...

/They're lunatics with vodka, they can probably curbstomp as well as we can.

You mean the same lunatics that can't even properly engage a bunch of Georgian farmers and retreated with tails between their legs?

Georgia as in the east european country, not the state to Americans.


They can pull their shiat together when it counts. See:WWII.
 
2013-03-29 06:10:23 PM  

Cer10Death: angrymonday: They cannot feed their people, cannot win a war. My conspiracy theory:
This is a ploy to for the US to get involved so dear leader can open up the society via defeat. They accept the help of the US to rebuild and emulate the south. It's so stupid it just might work.

Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.


Yes we can.  The US produces enough food to feed everyone in this country and still have plenty to sell or give to other countries.  NK literally (not figuratively) can not feed their own people.
 
2013-03-29 06:12:05 PM  

knbber2: Thunderboy: Interesting, thanks!

You are welcome, and I added a gift.


Holy cats - you are too kind, sir!
 
2013-03-29 06:21:19 PM  

Ambitwistor: I_Am_Weasel: First step for North Korean Generals.   Reduce the size of your caps..

From the other thread:

[i48.tinypic.com image 425x300]


holy crap; TELL me those are Photoshopped
 
2013-03-29 06:25:34 PM  

Odoriferous Queef: This is interesting. Itcame up in conversation today. Is Junior calling the shots or is it the old military? One does have to wonder.


That's been of a debate since he took power.  No one is really sure.  North Korea isn't that open about their internal workings.
 
2013-03-29 06:26:21 PM  

Ambitwistor: ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle

Googlefight says "vicious cycle" (3.4 million to 2.8 million).


In my 46 years I've never heard anyone say "vicious circle" - always "cycle" -  interesting.
 
2013-03-29 06:29:25 PM  

tinyarena: What a North Korean attack on the US mainland would look like:
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x171]

What a US attack on North Korea would look like:
[cdn.dipity.com image 600x314]

I'm not seeing the problem here.


You don't see the problem? The people that will suffer aren't the same people who decide these ridiculous schoolyard fights! The 'big shots' will be underground and will not be harmed.
 
2013-03-29 06:29:55 PM  

This text is now purple: Popular Opinion: This text is now purple: Cer10Death: Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

What in God's name are you talking about? American poor struggle with obesity. It's like the textbook definition of first-world problems.

what are you talking about?
many kids go to bed hungry in this country.
i feed lots of them at an outreach center every week.

That's not an absence of food. That's not even an unwillingness to feed the needy.

There will always be people who go without, even under the most stringent conditions of oversight and forced supply. People go hungry in armies and in prisons.

Besides -- look at your last line. There are many places to find food for little or nothing. Do you know anyone who has resorted to eating grass (out of need, not because, you know, young bamboo is tasty)? Do you think any Best Korean's don't know someone doing that?


unfortunately, I don't believe all of the country's poor or hungry live close to a shelter, outreach center or food bank.

maybe if all the athiests on fark who bash religion and claim to help the poor actually helped people instead of just claiming to....there would be a lot less hungry kids.
jmo
 
2013-03-29 06:38:38 PM  

Popular Opinion: maybe if all the athiests on fark who bash religion and claim to help the poor actually helped people instead of just claiming to....there would be a lot less hungry kids.


Oh dear. You're poking a hornets' nest.
 
2013-03-29 06:41:24 PM  

BigNumber12: Popular Opinion: maybe if all the athiests on fark who bash religion and claim to help the poor actually helped people instead of just claiming to....there would be a lot less hungry kids.

Oh dear. You're poking a hornets' nest.


lol, i know, and i get a lot of grief....
i am not religious myself, and I am disappointed I don't see more like me at the centers where I volunteer.
of course many church bashing farkers will say I am lying, or that they give lots and often....which is why it's odd i don't see them.
 
2013-03-29 06:43:53 PM  
I don't think he can hit the US with anything.  He can hit SK, but where else in the world is within range that would cause nasty problems and might him the attention or whatever it is he wants?  Genuine question since I don't know enough about bombs & thingies to make a guess; in fact I know pretty much zilch about weapons systems.
 
2013-03-29 06:49:17 PM  

ACunningPlan: I don't think he can hit the US with anything.  He can hit SK, but where else in the world is within range that would cause nasty problems and might him the attention or whatever it is he wants?  Genuine question since I don't know enough about bombs & thingies to make a guess; in fact I know pretty much zilch about weapons systems.


They have weapon systems that can -theoretically- reach US Pacific Islands, including Hawaii. They have not, however, successfully demonstrated this ability.
 
2013-03-29 06:51:35 PM  

ACunningPlan: I don't think he can hit the US with anything.  He can hit SK, but where else in the world is within range that would cause nasty problems and might him the attention or whatever it is he wants?  Genuine question since I don't know enough about bombs & thingies to make a guess; in fact I know pretty much zilch about weapons systems.


Tokyo.
 
2013-03-29 06:54:20 PM  
..all that being said, this situation is simply a matter of bluffing, one of the rare times actually being called out on a bluff, then turning that bluff up to 11
 
2013-03-29 06:55:11 PM  

bratface: tinyarena: I'm not seeing the problem here.

You don't see the problem? The people that will suffer aren't the same people who decide these ridiculous schoolyard fights! The 'big shots' will be underground and will not be harmed.


Let me rephrase that.

Humans are idiots.

We have all the technology we need to feed everyone, to educate everyone, to treat everyone.   But what do we do?  We waste our planet's resources, indeed we destroy our planet's resources and we fight, and we fight, and we fight.

No wonder the aliens leave us alone; we are insane.

So, if we must fight and destroy each other, at least "our side" will last a little longer than "their side."
It aint much, but it appears to be the best we can do.

/happy?
 
2013-03-29 06:58:04 PM  
I'm not paying for any damage to Alaska or California if they get attacked. In fact, they should send there own armies and  attack NK now because the best defence is a good offence.
 
2013-03-29 06:58:16 PM  

OgreMagi: Cer10Death: angrymonday: They cannot feed their people, cannot win a war. My conspiracy theory:
This is a ploy to for the US to get involved so dear leader can open up the society via defeat. They accept the help of the US to rebuild and emulate the south. It's so stupid it just might work.

Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

Yes we can.  The US produces enough food to feed everyone in this country and still have plenty to sell or give to other countries.  NK literally (not figuratively) can not feed their own people.


Just to be clear.  NK is not interested in feeding it's people. It's interested in feeding it's military.  That is what this noise is all about.  A million man army without food is just a mob looking to pillage it's leaders for their failures.  And one would hope that is exactly what happens....overthrow/kill the silly hats on top and maybe some semblance of order can be restored.  The peasants will come last no matter what.
 
2013-03-29 07:00:34 PM  

The Bestest: ..all that being said, this situation is simply a matter of bluffing, one of the rare times actually being called out on a bluff, then turning that bluff up to 11


2.bp.blogspot.com

The military is desperate.  If you can feed the machine, the machine breaks down.  And when the machine breaks down, we break down....
 
2013-03-29 07:01:55 PM  

ACunningPlan: I don't think he can hit the US with anything. He can hit SK, but where else in the world is within range that would cause nasty problems and might him the attention or whatever it is he wants? Genuine question since I don't know enough about bombs & thingies


I have nightmares about NK's nuclear thingies.
 
2013-03-29 07:20:43 PM  
Silly little men with tiny little minds
s13.postimg.org
And even sillier hats are ready to let people die for their own  stubbornness
short-sightedness (and probably insecurity of their penis size).
Damn, humans can be such total scum.
 
2013-03-29 07:22:14 PM  

Deep Contact: I'm not paying for any damage to Alaska or California if they get attacked. In fact, they should send there own armies and  attack NK now because the best defence is a good offence.


They knew the risks. I say, let 'em get blowed up!
 
2013-03-29 07:33:10 PM  

tinyarena: bratface: tinyarena: I'm not seeing the problem here.

You don't see the problem? The people that will suffer aren't the same people who decide these ridiculous schoolyard fights! The 'big shots' will be underground and will not be harmed.

Let me rephrase that.

Humans are idiots.

We have all the technology we need to feed everyone, to educate everyone, to treat everyone.   But what do we do?  We waste our planet's resources, indeed we destroy our planet's resources and we fight, and we fight, and we fight.

No wonder the aliens leave us alone; we are insane.

So, if we must fight and destroy each other, at least "our side" will last a little longer than "their side."
It aint much, but it appears to be the best we can do.

/happy?


No, because it shouldn't be 'either or'!
 
2013-03-29 07:39:29 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: OgreMagi: Cer10Death: angrymonday: They cannot feed their people, cannot win a war. My conspiracy theory:
This is a ploy to for the US to get involved so dear leader can open up the society via defeat. They accept the help of the US to rebuild and emulate the south. It's so stupid it just might work.

Newsflash: we can't feed all the people in the US either.

Yes we can.  The US produces enough food to feed everyone in this country and still have plenty to sell or give to other countries.  NK literally (not figuratively) can not feed their own people.

Just to be clear.  NK is not interested in feeding it's people. It's interested in feeding it's military.  That is what this noise is all about.  A million man army without food is just a mob looking to pillage it's leaders for their failures.  And one would hope that is exactly what happens....overthrow/kill the silly hats on top and maybe some semblance of order can be restored.  The peasants will come last no matter what.


People tend to put up with a lot of bad things.  Watching their children starve to death is not one of those things and historically had a tendency to cause a popular uprising.
 
2013-03-29 07:41:33 PM  
NK's missiles have never been known for accuracy either; they might have the range to reach Guam, or Alaska, or Hawaii, but the chance they'd even hit something other than ocean or tundra is probably very low. Seoul and Japan are another matter, of course, but long range accurate missiles aren't exactly easy to develop.
 
2013-03-29 07:41:43 PM  

ginkor: The B-2 can not only carry two 30,000 MOP bunker busters, but also the air burst MOAB, which at 26,400 pounds will give a pressure blast about the same as a 10 kiloton nuclear air burst detonation.   But its blast wave lasts longer.


Why not drop 26,400 lbs of TNT instead of a 26,400lb MOAB that only gives 10,000 lbs of boom?
 
2013-03-29 07:49:36 PM  

OgreMagi: People tend to put up with a lot of bad things.  Watching their children starve to death is not one of those things and historically had a tendency to cause a popular uprising.


The "North Koreans are eating bark" thing is way overblown. No, the majority of them probably aren't getting their 100% USRDA, but they're not sitting around a table splitting a single lima bean either.
 
2013-03-29 07:49:39 PM  

reimanr06: ginkor: The B-2 can not only carry two 30,000 MOP bunker busters, but also the air burst MOAB, which at 26,400 pounds will give a pressure blast about the same as a 10 kiloton nuclear air burst detonation.   But its blast wave lasts longer.

Why not drop 26,400 lbs of TNT instead of a 26,400lb MOAB that only gives 10,000 lbs of boom?


10 kilotons is 10,000 tons of boom, not 10,000 pounds.  A ton is heavier than a pound.
 
2013-03-29 07:50:18 PM  

CleanAndPure: Give peace a chance.

We agree to give Korea Dennis Rodman in exchange for all their uranium.

Its a fair and equal exchange of unstable commodities.


That would be classified as a crime against humanity. Why would you wish Rodman on anyone?
 
2013-03-29 07:59:55 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: PsiChick: mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.

....Come to think of it, if Russia takes it as an act of war, that'd make it a real damn short one...

/They're lunatics with vodka, they can probably curbstomp as well as we can.

You mean the same lunatics that can't even properly engage a bunch of Georgian farmers and retreated with tails between their legs?

Georgia as in the east european country, not the state to Americans.

They couldn't send ground troops.  They could stage something out of Kamchatka.  Piiss 'em off enough; North Korea becomes very loud and very bright.  But not for long.
 
2013-03-29 08:06:06 PM  
I'm throwing all my liquid capital into Viedt Industries.
 
2013-03-29 08:11:49 PM  

ransack.: theorellior: ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle

I've usually heard "circle".

A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester


New Yawk and New Joisey pronounce it as soikel, which could be interpreted as either circle or cycle.. IMO, circle is appropriate.....
 
2013-03-29 08:13:30 PM  

The Bestest: ACunningPlan: I don't think he can hit the US with anything.  He can hit SK, but where else in the world is within range that would cause nasty problems and might him the attention or whatever it is he wants?  Genuine question since I don't know enough about bombs & thingies to make a guess; in fact I know pretty much zilch about weapons systems.

They have weapon systems that can -theoretically- reach US Pacific Islands, including Hawaii. They have not, however, successfully demonstrated this ability.


Satanic_Hamster: ACunningPlan: I don't think he can hit the US with anything.  He can hit SK, but where else in the world is within range that would cause nasty problems and might him the attention or whatever it is he wants?  Genuine question since I don't know enough about bombs & thingies to make a guess; in fact I know pretty much zilch about weapons systems.

Tokyo.


Thank you.  Just wondering what other mischief he could manage for whatever reasons; Tokyo would cause big trouble....  And I'm ashamed to say, I always forget how far Hawaii is from the US mainland [stranger in these here parts in my defence:) ]

Could the military be trying to get rid of him & the Kim-kraze in general?  If they persuade him to do something really stupid, and then hang him out to dry once the inglorious defeat is inflicted, they could then go the China route - keep power but lots of money etc., for those in power.  My guess would be even being high up in the NK military is pretty sucky in comparison to their Chinese mates.
 
2013-03-29 08:14:55 PM  

2wolves: I'm throwing all my liquid capital into Viedt Industries.


I hear you. Turns out the whole war is just super viral marketing for  Liandri
 
2013-03-29 08:19:40 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: The B2 bomber can deliver at least the following nuclear weapons:

B-83 bomb: yields 1.2 megatons (75 times the power of the Little Boy), weighs 2400 pounds
B-61 bomb: yields 340 kilotons, weighs 700 pounds

It's capable of carrying 40,000 pounds of weapons. It can't deliver that weight in nuclear weapons, apparently.

I would say Best Korea is going to start something that will mushroom out of control. I'm not sure how China would react to B2 bombers dropping multiple megaton nuclear bombs on 1. their ally and 2. their back yard.

Regarding point 2, same for Russia, Japan...

/since we live in a closed environmental system, we're pretty much bombing the US anyways.


Anything they shoot at us will be shot down anyway.. we go back with MOABs and bunker busters.. keep it conventional.. take out Un and all of their nuke facilities and military locations.. and rename it Korea..
 
2013-03-29 08:21:09 PM  

bratface: tinyarena:
/happy?

No, because it shouldn't be 'either or'!


Of course you are right.  It should be "one for all and all for one"
Especially now, when we can actually do it.
We now, and for the first time, have the abilities to save and serve the whole world.

Winston Churchill, at the dawn of the Age of Technology, said:
"It is better to talk, talk, talk than to war, war, war."
So let them threaten, and in the meantime talk to all the neighbors eh? :)

Also,
are you aware your posts are all Bolded?
 
2013-03-29 08:24:39 PM  

KillerAttackParrot: PunGent: they could load a dirty bomb onto one of their old Romeo subs, drive it close enough to our west coast that detonation would contaminate a big chunk of property.

I doubt that. At least not without us knowing it's there. It's diesel-electric . You know how noisy those things are? Doubt it would have the range either. The pacific ocean is a big place.


As a former sonar technician on an Arliegh Burke Class DDG, I concur with this assessment. We'd find them.
 
2013-03-29 08:26:34 PM  

Bendal: NK's missiles have never been known for accuracy either; they might have the range to reach Guam, or Alaska, or Hawaii, but the chance they'd even hit something other than ocean or tundra is probably very low. Seoul and Japan are another matter, of course, but long range accurate missiles aren't exactly easy to develop.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-29 08:27:55 PM  

OlderGuy: IMO, circle is appropriate.....


Circle doesn't make any sense.

A vicious circle would be a singular event, like twenty armored orcs in a video game surrounding you and cutting you to ribbons with axe and sword. That would be a vicious circle. Or even some pun, like Xena's razor sharp chakram, could be a vicious circle.

A vicious cycle, on the other hand, is a protracted event that gets worse and worse with each repetition. Like the guy in the Little Prince who drinks to forget he's a drunk. The more he drinks, the more of a drunk he is, and the more he drinks to forget. That's a vicious cycle.
 
2013-03-29 08:39:14 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: ACunningPlan: I don't think he can hit the US with anything. He can hit SK, but where else in the world is within range that would cause nasty problems and might him the attention or whatever it is he wants? Genuine question since I don't know enough about bombs & thingies

I have nightmares about NK's nuclear thingies.


Must confess, I don't fret about these scenarios.  Alas I've other more pressing worries, but since I don't know much about these thingies to start with, maybe it's a case of ignorance is bliss?
 
2013-03-29 08:56:17 PM  
LOL, they're gonna blow up alaska?
 
2013-03-29 09:01:51 PM  

tuna fingers: WhoopAssWayne: The last thing we need is our great warrior/community activist president getting us into another costly war. It's just the kind of stupidity we've come to expect from this thin-skinned, chickenhawk chickensh*t and I bet he's chomping at the bit to jump right in if things go south. As citizens and taxpayers, we must make it a priority to strip war powers from both the president and the congress. All foreign military actions must be paid with war bonds, not tax money, just like World War II. If the people don't support the action and don't buy the bonds, there's no money to fight, and no war. And if our divisive little sh*thead of a president stirs up the usual liberal idiots enough to actually get us involved somewhere, all it will take to get us out is a shift in popular opinion. If we had this model in Iraq, I'm guessing we would have been out after only a couple of years. But the bottom line is this: No tax money for foreign wars!

9/10  You forgot to use Fartbongo.  That cost you a point.


That's true, but he might deserve a point for the name WhoopAssWayne.
 
2013-03-29 09:03:19 PM  

ACunningPlan: Thank you. Just wondering what other mischief he could manage for whatever reasons; Tokyo would cause big trouble.... And I'm ashamed to say, I always forget how far Hawaii is from the US mainland [stranger in these here parts in my defence:) ]


Eh.  They might get some civilian casualties, but then all hell will break loose when the Japanese strike back.   Doubt the Norks have anything that can stop a Gundam.
 
2013-03-29 09:04:39 PM  

tuna fingers: WhoopAssWayne: The last thing we need is our great warrior/community activist president getting us into another costly war. It's just the kind of stupidity we've come to expect from this thin-skinned, chickenhawk chickensh*t and I bet he's chomping at the bit to jump right in if things go south. As citizens and taxpayers, we must make it a priority to strip war powers from both the president and the congress. All foreign military actions must be paid with war bonds, not tax money, just like World War II. If the people don't support the action and don't buy the bonds, there's no money to fight, and no war. And if our divisive little sh*thead of a president stirs up the usual liberal idiots enough to actually get us involved somewhere, all it will take to get us out is a shift in popular opinion. If we had this model in Iraq, I'm guessing we would have been out after only a couple of years. But the bottom line is this: No tax money for foreign wars!

9/10  You forgot to use Fartbongo.  That cost you a point.


What are you talking about? No one replied seriously to the troll, not even one outraged reply. That makes it a shiatty troll.
 
2013-03-29 09:10:39 PM  
I'm just glad to say I only heard one set of BIG BASTARD AFTERBURNERS kick in all day long. Must have been a beer run to Blythe.
 
2013-03-29 09:18:16 PM  

SithLord: TheShavingofOccam123: Gosh, if Best Korea pulls a Serbia and shoots down a B2, do you think they'll be nice and return the nuclear weapons from our bomber?

I don't think they can see our stealth bombers at night.  They have a hard enough time seeing in the daylight as it is.




Black?

I'd skin them for daytime use.
 
2013-03-29 09:19:50 PM  

hasty ambush: another cultural observer: ha-ha-guy: hubiestubert: It's times like these you have to wonder if folks are regretting dialing the Japanese military back.

Then again, in the prelude to their entry into WWII, the Yakuza were employed to assassinate the Korean Empress, but then again, the Yakuza are more and more at the street level are employing a lot of Korean immigrants, and are sort of profitting with the tensions and smuggling and with drugs. Then again, full blown war would disrupt a LOT of their business too, so asking them for a few favors on clearing up the mess over there might be floated...

Dialing back?  Globally it is a Top 5 military.  It;s only real weakness is a lack of logstics and that doesn't matter much with America helping out and and the fact they're fighting in their back yard.

It's not a "military", that would be unconstitutional!  It's a Self Defense Police Force!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x275]
STOP! POLICE!

And this is what they are calling a destroyer since they are not allowed aircraft carriers:

[www.marinebuzz.com image 850x587]
JMSDF Hyuga Class Destroyer




Shotgun!
 
2013-03-29 09:26:08 PM  
Have cargo jets full of "aid" ready and send some pf these kinds of guys in.
www.training.sfahq.com

Or thses kind of guys.
upload.wikimedia.org
Or should we wait until Christmas to Freedom™ their asses?
 
2013-03-29 09:35:52 PM  
We sure are lucky we stopped the deployment of our anti-missile system to Alaska in 2009. Man, that re-set button and a few speeches does wonders.

Plus, we can spend the savings on more vay-cays for everyone! Yay!
 
2013-03-29 09:38:05 PM  

snocone: What a collection of short memories.
"The Ruskies have ICBMs and we have to protect ourselves."
"We have to stop Communizzims in Viet Nam."
"We are gonna get Sadam's WMDs."

Will you never farking learn?


The Soviet Union collapsed, Vietnam isn't communist anymore, and Saddam certainly isn't threatening anyone anymore. Perhaps you should pay more attention to the world around you, kid.
 
2013-03-29 09:53:14 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: ACunningPlan: Thank you. Just wondering what other mischief he could manage for whatever reasons; Tokyo would cause big trouble.... And I'm ashamed to say, I always forget how far Hawaii is from the US mainland [stranger in these here parts in my defence:) ]

Eh.  They might get some civilian casualties, but then all hell will break loose when the Japanese strike back.   Doubt the Norks have anything that can stop a Gundam.


Tokyo's pretty high density population-wise, so even a small glancing blow could be unpleasant.  Don't know what a Gundam is; is it like a Japanese surface missile or do you need a rocket....?

If Japan struck back, the Chinese might get involved because tensions have been increasing for a while.  Although I think the Chinese might tell Kimmy he's on his own if he pulls something stupid.
 
2013-03-29 09:58:15 PM  
Drop the Bomb!!!!! Exterminate Them All!!!!!!
 
2013-03-29 09:58:49 PM  

Cobataiwan: We sure are lucky we stopped the deployment of our anti-missile system to Alaska in 2009. Man, that re-set button and a few speeches does wonders.

Plus, we can spend the savings on more vay-cays for everyone! Yay!


*pats head*
 
2013-03-29 10:02:45 PM  

ACunningPlan: Tokyo's pretty high density population-wise, so even a small glancing blow could be unpleasant. Don't know what a Gundam is; is it like a Japanese surface missile or do you need a rocket....?

If Japan struck back, the Chinese might get involved because tensions have been increasing for a while. Although I think the Chinese might tell Kimmy he's on his own if he pulls something stupid.


gunpla.kjasi.com
 
2013-03-29 10:12:37 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: ACunningPlan: Tokyo's pretty high density population-wise, so even a small glancing blow could be unpleasant. Don't know what a Gundam is; is it like a Japanese surface missile or do you need a rocket....?

If Japan struck back, the Chinese might get involved because tensions have been increasing for a while. Although I think the Chinese might tell Kimmy he's on his own if he pulls something stupid.

[gunpla.kjasi.com image 600x450]


Now I get it, funny:)
 
2013-03-29 10:28:39 PM  

ACunningPlan: Satanic_Hamster: ACunningPlan: Thank you. Just wondering what other mischief he could manage for whatever reasons; Tokyo would cause big trouble.... And I'm ashamed to say, I always forget how far Hawaii is from the US mainland [stranger in these here parts in my defence:) ]

Eh.  They might get some civilian casualties, but then all hell will break loose when the Japanese strike back.   Doubt the Norks have anything that can stop a Gundam.

Tokyo's pretty high density population-wise, so even a small glancing blow could be unpleasant.  Don't know what a Gundam is; is it like a Japanese surface missile or do you need a rocket....?

If Japan struck back, the Chinese might get involved because tensions have been increasing for a while.  Although I think the Chinese might tell Kimmy he's on his own if he pulls something stupid.


Think giant piloted robot.  Thats kind of been the running joke about Japan for decades is that they would be the ones to bring mechanized future warfare to the battlefield.  Its half jokingly said.  Because a lot old armchair generals who pay attention to Japan realize that if they ever got a big enough hair up their asses....they might actually do it.  Japan has not needed a full fledge military force for decades because of the US military.  Japan has grown into a economic and technological titan since world war II.  So with a nervous laugh you can look their way and think about what would happen if they got severely nationalistic over something, some incident, some insult from their neighbors.  If that old Nippon pride ever kicked into overdrive and they felt the need to start producing weapons again.  Would it be a simple modern force.  Or would the Japanese do what almost always tend to do, and kick it up a notch.  May not seem like a big deal, but a futuristic newly produced tank made by Honda corporation is probably one of those things that wakes Chinese generals up in a cold sweat at night.  Maybe a few American generals too.

If they ever do decide they dont need American protection any more.  If they ever decide that they need to handle Chinese challenges on their own.  If they decide to have more than a simple 15,000 man "police force".  I'm just going to hope that they stay inside our tent pissing out.
 
2013-03-29 10:34:08 PM  

orclover: Think giant piloted robot. Thats kind of been the running joke about Japan for decades is that they would be the ones to bring mechanized future warfare to the battlefield. Its half jokingly said. Because a lot old armchair generals who pay attention to Japan realize that if they ever got a big enough hair up their asses....they might actually do it.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-29 10:38:35 PM  
I found Li'l Kim's secret plans.

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2013-03-30 12:26:13 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: I found Li'l Kim's secret plans.

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+1
 
2013-03-30 12:27:23 AM  

orclover: ACunningPlan: Satanic_Hamster:
Tokyo's pretty high density population-wise, so even a small glancing blow could be unpleasant.  Don't know what a Gundam is; is it like a Japanese surface missile or do you need a rocket....?

If Japan struck back, the Chinese might get involved because tensions have been increasing for a while.  Although I think the Chinese might tell Kimmy he's on his own if he pulls something stupid.

Think giant piloted robot.  Thats kind of been the running joke about Japan for decades is that they would be the ones to bring mechanized future warfare to the battlefield.  Its half jokingly said.  Because a lot old armchair generals who pay attention to Japan realize that if they ever got a big enough hair up their asses....they might actually do it.  Japan has not needed a full fledge military force for decades because of the US military.  Japan has grown into a economic and technological titan since world war II.  So with a nervous laugh you can look their way and think about what would happen if they got severely nationalistic over something, some incident, some insult from their neighbors.  If that old Nippon pride ever kicked into overdrive and they felt the need to start producing weapons again.  Would it be a simple modern force.  Or would the Japanese do what almost always tend to do, and kick it up a notch.  May not seem like a big deal, but a futuristic newly produced tank made by Honda corporation is probably one of those things that wakes Chinese generals up in a cold sweat at night.  Maybe a few American generals t ...


Thank you very much.  Geo-political, historical & regional type stuff I know - to varying degrees - but I'm not good on the technology stuff.  I'm not quite as bad as the internet is a series of tubes, but I'm not much above that level:)  So whilst I vaguely know the Japanese are good with roboticky things, it would never occur to me that it might impact any military developments.  And yet it makes perfect sense, now that I do think about it.
 
2013-03-30 12:38:16 AM  

orclover: Or would the Japanese do what almost always tend to do, and kick it up a notch.


I disagree there.  The Japanese soldiers in WW2 were a bit behind the times in their weaponry.  The standard issue rifle was an overly heavy piece of shiat.  Of course, that might have been due to them growing their military far too quickly to properly equip them (thank goodness).  Even so, you'd think they would have made some effort to improve the equipment as the war dragged on.
 
2013-03-30 01:13:25 AM  

OgreMagi: orclover: Or would the Japanese do what almost always tend to do, and kick it up a notch.

I disagree there.  The Japanese soldiers in WW2 were a bit behind the times in their weaponry.  The standard issue rifle was an overly heavy piece of shiat.  Of course, that might have been due to them growing their military far too quickly to properly equip them (thank goodness).  Even so, you'd think they would have made some effort to improve the equipment as the war dragged on.


farm5.staticflickr.com
WWII Japanese being led by a Imperial Shogonate

today
images.gizmag.com
i.telegraph.co.uk
www.gadgetmadness.com
This is them just doing minor civilian applications, and their shiat works.  Theres a few thousand pictures of what they have accomplished with robotics.  American robotic technology is amazing.  The japanese robotic technology advances have easily kept up with ours.
in very terrifying ways....
www.cbc.ca
...and thats them just farking around.

At some point with all the regional conflict Japan may get scared.  If they gets scared, they may get angry.  Japan angry and focused on other countries may push technology forward a hundred years very very quickly.  We may also start to run out of other asians.
 
2013-03-30 01:26:33 AM  

neongoats: scottydoesntknow: Mighty_Joe: neongoats: I can't wait until some forum genius starts pants shiatting about container ships. It always happens in these NK threads.

I searched the last 3 Korea threads and the only person mentioning container ships is you, forum genius.

It's like Beetlejuice. If he says it enough, something's bound to happen. Not sure what, but something...

I had to sleep and work, missed the last couple threads, but seriously, it will happen. It's the big fantasy they talk about in these threads.. NK smuggles nuke in container ship, blows up San Francisco. I'm actually surprised you hadn't heard of that, its a big popular fark trope about NK attacking us.


They could always try sneaking in a snuke

thumbs.newschoolers.com
 
2013-03-30 01:39:52 AM  

ransack.: theorellior: ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle

I've usually heard "circle".

A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester




Circle would mean never ending. Cycle means up and downs. I think. Maybe.
 
2013-03-30 11:04:17 AM  

toraque: reimanr06: ginkor: The B-2 can not only carry two 30,000 MOP bunker busters, but also the air burst MOAB, which at 26,400 pounds will give a pressure blast about the same as a 10 kiloton nuclear air burst detonation.   But its blast wave lasts longer.

Why not drop 26,400 lbs of TNT instead of a 26,400lb MOAB that only gives 10,000 lbs of boom?

10 kilotons is 10,000 tons of boom, not 10,000 pounds.  A ton is heavier than a pound.


LOL epic fail
 
2013-03-30 09:03:17 PM  

Pud: [Kim Jong-un] is all that, and

a thousand bagels with cream cheese.

FTFY
 
2013-03-30 10:14:41 PM  

fireclown: xaldin: CleanAndPure: Give peace a chance.

We agree to give Korea Dennis Rodman in exchange for all their uranium.

Its a fair and equal exchange of unstable commodities.

Not sure it qualifies as fair. I think the beads we gave the Indian tribes for land was a better deal quite honestly.

Fine.  We'll throw in Sean Penn, Genine Garafolo, the entire Penn State football team/coaching staff and Ray Lewis for good measure.


There WAS a time that I wanted to fark the crazy out of her...
 
2013-04-01 08:22:19 AM  

KillerAttackParrot: PunGent: they could load a dirty bomb onto one of their old Romeo subs, drive it close enough to our west coast that detonation would contaminate a big chunk of property.

I doubt that. At least not without us knowing it's there. It's diesel-electric . You know how noisy those things are? Doubt it would have the range either. The pacific ocean is a big place.


Yes, but knowing it's there doesn't mean we automatically get to sink it.  They may decide to light it off w/o benefit of a formal declaration of war.
 
2013-04-01 08:29:22 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: PunGent: Oh no, that's wrong...quite a few Farkers have assured me North Korea is absolutely no threat, and SK can handle them within a week.

There won't even be any broken windows in Seoul!

Please name those people / posts.

There's a difference between saying "the threat of North Korean artillery is greatly exaggerated" and saying "no windows would be broken."    That claim is just as false as the claim Seoul would be wiped out completely.

The fact is that a *lot* of the North Korean artillery positions are fake and the ones that aren't are decades old, poorly maintained, never been fired, crewed by men who may have never fired a live round in years or ever.  On top of that, they'd face counter battery fire by foes with some of the best artillery, radar, and fire control systems in the world who are highly trained and have mapped out a lot of the enemy positions.    And that's ignoring the South's complete air superiority.

NK's only advantage is that it might take some time to sort out the fake/non-working artillery positions from the live ones and that they'd be firing into a large city (that's assuming they decide to ignore the South Korean's positions entirely).  Yes there would be civilian casualties but it would hardly be a slaughter.


The "war will be over in a month" crowd is too numerous to mention.  I hope they're right, frankly.
 
Afa air superiority, it IS a lovely thing...we enjoyed it for years in Vietnam and Afghanistan and Iraq :)
 
2013-04-01 08:30:43 AM  

wxboy: PunGent: And you can hide a nuke in something smaller than a container ship; hell, if they were ballsy enough, they could load a dirty bomb onto one of their old Romeo subs, drive it close enough to our west coast that detonation would contaminate a big chunk of property.

It's not like they'd worry about sacrificing the crew...

I'd imagine that sub wouldn't be allowed within 1000 miles of Hawaii, let alone the west coast.


Again, that requires us to shoot first, losing the moral high ground.
 
2013-04-01 09:03:44 AM  

PunGent: The "war will be over in a month" crowd is too numerous to mention. I hope they're right, frankly.

Afa air superiority, it IS a lovely thing...we enjoyed it for years in Vietnam and Afghanistan and Iraq :)


You're confusing multiple issues:
War over in a month
Seoul's entire population being wiped out
Occupying North Korea
 
War over in a month is possible, assuming there's no land invasion.   Seoul being wiped out isn't that likely.  And occupying NK will be a long costly biatch.  :0
 
2013-04-01 10:44:05 AM  
Declare War on USA today.
Surrender tomorrow.
Aid flows in on Tuesday.
 
See plot of "The Mouse That Roared".
 
2013-04-01 10:44:55 AM  
How long will they last against the B3 Bomber?
 
2013-04-01 06:05:30 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: PunGent: The "war will be over in a month" crowd is too numerous to mention. I hope they're right, frankly.

Afa air superiority, it IS a lovely thing...we enjoyed it for years in Vietnam and Afghanistan and Iraq :)

You're confusing multiple issues:
War over in a month
Seoul's entire population being wiped out
Occupying North Korea
 
War over in a month is possible, assuming there's no land invasion.   Seoul being wiped out isn't that likely.  And occupying NK will be a long costly biatch.  :0


Assuming there's no land invasion?

Not much of a war...you thinking just arty duels and airstrikes?  what?

Agree, Seoul won't be wiped out, unless they've REALLY gotten lax in their civil defense drills.  On the other hand, the younger generation there isn't terribly interested in having us around, by all accounts...maybe they don't view this seriously, and that could bite them on the ass.
 
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