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(BBC)   Signs things may be getting out of hand on the Korean Peninsula, #67: even Russia says, 'damn, dudes, back it up a notch'   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 300
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Pud
2013-03-29 01:37:28 PM  
The problem is not the N. Korean people. They are too busy just trying to find a tree with enough bark on it left to eat. The problem is the leadership that has been treated with this god-like reverence that is sure to go to their head. The real concern is that Kim Jong-un actually feels that he could simply fire a few missiles at those he doesn't like and they will simply go away. After all. He's all that, and a bagel with cream cheese. Our response could never touch them, for he is Kim Jong-un. Resistance is futile.
 
2013-03-29 01:54:28 PM  
Un-coming
www.tucsonsentinel.com
 
2013-03-29 01:56:47 PM  
The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.
 
2013-03-29 01:58:55 PM  

mr_a: To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.


If they do that, they've got everyone else in North Korea to worry about.
It'd be like if you knew someone who had a really bad situation at home, but you don't want to offer to let them crash at your place because you know they'd never ever leave.
 
2013-03-29 02:05:50 PM  
First step for North Korean Generals.   Reduce the size of your caps..
 
2013-03-29 02:07:05 PM  
True enough- the last thing China wants is a couple million NK refugees.

OTOH, China has gotten rich on international trade between S Korea, Japan, Taiwan, HK, and the US. I would imagine the next-to-last thing they want is some madman to screw that up.
 
2013-03-29 02:07:48 PM  
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we will all be lucky to survive.
 
2013-03-29 02:11:07 PM  
Russia has some investments in Best Korea, some railroad lines and such but it's not much.  They also exploit cheap Best Korean labor, sort of how we exploit cheap illegal Mexican immigrant labor, except in their case it's strictly controlled and they all return home when they are done with them.  I don't think they have TOO awful much invested, so I sort of see Russia as a bystander in all of this.
 
2013-03-29 02:12:29 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Un-coming
[www.tucsonsentinel.com image 609x354]


ok that's funny.


And there is only one voice that North Korea has ever listened to, China. They will do whatever China tells them to unless the people who are actually pulling the strings in NK have gone batshiat nuts.

Does anyone really think that Jung Un has any real power?
 
2013-03-29 02:19:22 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Does anyone really think that Jung Un has any real power?


I'm pretty sure Kimg Jong Un does.
 
2013-03-29 02:20:13 PM  
I thought that it was very interesting that when China gave its usual "We call on all sides to reduce tension" statement on this, they were very careful to not criticize the US's B-2 flyover that seems to have led to this latest temper tantrum by Kim Jong Fattie.

There's absolutely no way anyone can side with North Korea on this, and it sounds like China is as tired of their shiat as anyone else.
 
2013-03-29 02:21:14 PM  
We should just announce publicly that China has decided to nuke them if they get out of hand.
That should take care of it.
NK will freak, and try to nuke China,
China will turn NK into an open mine pit.
 
2013-03-29 02:21:20 PM  
It's good to know world leaders and prominent diplomats have as much sense as the below-average forum poster.

Don't feed the trolls.  It's a pretty farking simple rule.
 
2013-03-29 02:21:31 PM  
I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle
 
2013-03-29 02:22:40 PM  

ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle


For all in tents, it is.
 
2013-03-29 02:23:21 PM  
Where is General MacArthur Curtis LeMay when you need him?
 
2013-03-29 02:23:26 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Un-coming
[www.tucsonsentinel.com image 609x354]

ok that's funny.


And there is only one voice that North Korea has ever listened to, China. They will do whatever China tells them to unless the people who are actually pulling the strings in NK have gone batshiat nuts.

Does anyone really think that Jung Un has any real power?


He has over a billion times as many nuclear weapons as I do. So, yes.
 
2013-03-29 02:23:26 PM  

ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle


I've usually heard "circle".
 
2013-03-29 02:24:05 PM  
Time for the Russians to give Lil Kim a taste of something radioactive...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko
 
2013-03-29 02:24:29 PM  
As a gen-Xer, I'm delighted to see the US and Russia agree on anything.
 
2013-03-29 02:24:36 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: First step for North Korean Generals.   Reduce the size of your caps..


They can't.  That's where they stash the extra rations they receive.
 
2013-03-29 02:25:11 PM  
It's times like these you have to wonder if folks are regretting dialing the Japanese military back.

Then again, in the prelude to their entry into WWII, the Yakuza were employed to assassinate the Korean Empress, but then again, the Yakuza are more and more at the street level are employing a lot of Korean immigrants, and are sort of profitting with the tensions and smuggling and with drugs. Then again, full blown war would disrupt a LOT of their business too, so asking them for a few favors on clearing up the mess over there might be floated...
 
2013-03-29 02:26:06 PM  
said it had put missiles on stand-by to hit the US.

Hit the US, how?  Are they gonna load em onto trucks and push them off the back?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-29 02:26:15 PM  
I can't get too worried about it.  NK simply doesn't have the firepower to win a war.  The only reason they are a problem is that they are close to South Korean population centers and they could do a lot of damage before they went down.

Their air force still uses MiG-17s and MiG-19s.
 
2013-03-29 02:26:16 PM  

mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.


I wonder what would happen when those rockets inevitably fail to make their target and land on Chinese or Russian soil.
 
2013-03-29 02:26:26 PM  
IF NK starts some shiat, I hope we allow them just a moment to realize how farked they are before unleashing hell.
 
2013-03-29 02:26:37 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: First step for North Korean Generals.   Reduce the size of your caps..


From the other thread:

i48.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-29 02:26:53 PM  

mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.


They're mostly pissed about the fact a Nork ICBM is more likely to fail while flying over their country and rain radioactive shiat down on them than anything else.  Everyone shoots stuff over each other all the time in the form of space launches (which might involve nuclear reactors on the sats).  However the odds of a North Korean rocket failing are much higher.
 
2013-03-29 02:28:17 PM  

theorellior: ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle

I've usually heard "circle".


A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester
 
2013-03-29 02:28:47 PM  
Most likely N. Korea is bluffing but that doesn't mean there is no danger. The more tension there is, the more likely some mid level officer from either side will make a mistake and panic ordering an attack when a flock of seagulls fly past their radars.


Sure N.K will lose but millions of S.Ks will die and quite likely scores of thousands of Americans.

There will certainly be a severe recession and another huge war debt for our kids to pay.
 
2013-03-29 02:28:54 PM  

hubiestubert: It's times like these you have to wonder if folks are regretting dialing the Japanese military back.

Then again, in the prelude to their entry into WWII, the Yakuza were employed to assassinate the Korean Empress, but then again, the Yakuza are more and more at the street level are employing a lot of Korean immigrants, and are sort of profitting with the tensions and smuggling and with drugs. Then again, full blown war would disrupt a LOT of their business too, so asking them for a few favors on clearing up the mess over there might be floated...


Dialing back?  Globally it is a Top 5 military.  It;s only real weakness is a lack of logstics and that doesn't matter much with America helping out and and the fact they're fighting in their back yard.
 
2013-03-29 02:30:57 PM  
But mom, they started it!
 
2013-03-29 02:31:02 PM  
I can't wait until some forum genius starts pants shiatting about container ships. It always happens in these NK threads.

"OMGz NK is gonna send us a container ship with a nuke hidden in it"

Because it's not like our intelligence community knows who, what, when, where, and why about every gram of weapon materiel they have. Oh wait, most likely they know everything down to how many ass hairs Un loses every time he takes a shiat.
 
2013-03-29 02:31:50 PM  

ransack.: A teacher in high school told my class that it's actually cycle and everyone says it wrong. I never actually researched it myself, I just trusted Mrs. Chester


Wikipedia says both are used interchangeably.
 
2013-03-29 02:31:55 PM  
N. Korea is a stain on China's mattress.  The quicker we clean it up, the quicker we can coexist.
 
2013-03-29 02:32:09 PM  

hubiestubert: It's times like these you have to wonder if folks are regretting dialing the Japanese military back.

Then again, in the prelude to their entry into WWII, the Yakuza were employed to assassinate the Korean Empress, but then again, the Yakuza are more and more at the street level are employing a lot of Korean immigrants, and are sort of profitting with the tensions and smuggling and with drugs. Then again, full blown war would disrupt a LOT of their business too, so asking them for a few favors on clearing up the mess over there might be floated...


That's a lot of "then again"(s)
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-29 02:32:27 PM  

Hack Patooey: said it had put missiles on stand-by to hit the US.

Hit the US, how?  Are they gonna load em onto trucks and push them off the back?


I think Kim Yung'un can see Wasilla from his house.
 
2013-03-29 02:33:02 PM  

ransack.: I thought the phrase was vicious cycle and not vicious circle


Googlefight says "vicious cycle" (3.4 million to 2.8 million).
 
2013-03-29 02:33:08 PM  
I still say China will take care of them before we do.
 
2013-03-29 02:33:22 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: First step for North Korean Generals.   Reduce the size of your caps..


Its an interesting mix of enormous soviet style hats with French Kepi's
 
2013-03-29 02:34:34 PM  
Hack Patooey: Hit the US, how?  Are they gonna load em onto trucks and push them off the back?

Maybe they'll nuke the U.S. embassy in Seoul.

/technically U.S. soil
//ok, technically not ...
 
2013-03-29 02:35:16 PM  
What a North Korean attack on the US mainland would look like:
news.bbcimg.co.uk

What a US attack on North Korea would look like:
cdn.dipity.com

I'm not seeing the problem here.
 
2013-03-29 02:35:23 PM  
Give peace a chance.

We agree to give Korea Dennis Rodman in exchange for all their uranium.

Its a fair and equal exchange of unstable commodities.
 
2013-03-29 02:35:56 PM  

mr_a: The map was interesting. I hadn't quire realized that NK would have to fly missiles over Russian (and maybe even Chinese) airspace to hit Alaska. That ought to help complicate things.

Would Russia see it as an act of war by NK? Would the US target missiles with ABM weapons over either of these countries?

To be honest, I am surprised that the Chinese haven't just made this guy disappear by now.


Seriously, since an NK missile launch aiming for Alaska would probably land somewhere near Moscow and then the Russians would obliterate them.

That would save us a lot of time and money.

=]
 
2013-03-29 02:36:20 PM  
I still say tell China to control their insolence little child or NK will get slapped hard and that would make everyone nervous in the area. If China did not like having a provocateur so much they could just go in and take over the running of the best Korea with a puppet government to appease SK.
 
2013-03-29 02:37:33 PM  
The B2 bomber can deliver at least the following nuclear weapons:

B-83 bomb: yields 1.2 megatons (75 times the power of the Little Boy), weighs 2400 pounds
B-61 bomb: yields 340 kilotons, weighs 700 pounds

It's capable of carrying 40,000 pounds of weapons. It can't deliver that weight in nuclear weapons, apparently.

I would say Best Korea is going to start something that will mushroom out of control. I'm not sure how China would react to B2 bombers dropping multiple megaton nuclear bombs on 1. their ally and 2. their back yard.

Regarding point 2, same for Russia, Japan...

/since we live in a closed environmental system, we're pretty much bombing the US anyways.
 
2013-03-29 02:37:59 PM  
LOL

CNN article "Will China finally 'bite' North Korea?" appears as if the author read one of our recent NK threads drew upon some of our musings to write an article.

Jennifer Lind, what's your Fark handle?
 
2013-03-29 02:38:06 PM  

ha-ha-guy: hubiestubert: It's times like these you have to wonder if folks are regretting dialing the Japanese military back.

Then again, in the prelude to their entry into WWII, the Yakuza were employed to assassinate the Korean Empress, but then again, the Yakuza are more and more at the street level are employing a lot of Korean immigrants, and are sort of profitting with the tensions and smuggling and with drugs. Then again, full blown war would disrupt a LOT of their business too, so asking them for a few favors on clearing up the mess over there might be floated...

Dialing back?  Globally it is a Top 5 military.  It;s only real weakness is a lack of logstics and that doesn't matter much with America helping out and and the fact they're fighting in their back yard.


It's not a "military", that would be unconstitutional!  It's a Self Defense Police Force!

upload.wikimedia.org
STOP! POLICE!
 
2013-03-29 02:39:19 PM  
Gosh, if Best Korea pulls a Serbia and shoots down a B2, do you think they'll be nice and return the nuclear weapons from our bomber?
 
2013-03-29 02:39:31 PM  
Meh, the link in my other post was mangled and tossed.
 
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