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(Think Progress)   Kansas, in a bid to out crazy Florida, introduces a bill to allow quarantining of HIV positive people   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 157
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2013-03-29 01:07:05 PM  
can't we just quarantine Kansas? Its a rectangular state. It should be easy enough to fence off.
 
2013-03-29 01:09:23 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-29 01:11:56 PM  
Other activists have also expressed concern that Kansans might not understand how HIV can be spread, and have implicit biases thanks to a lack of knowledge.

Wait, you spend a decade outlawing science and suddenly the population doesn't understand basic medical concepts? Huh.
 
2013-03-29 01:16:57 PM  
I'm begging to think all the batsh*t in the country has rolled to the middle
 
2013-03-29 01:19:14 PM  
Thankfully Florida has everything south of I-4 to somewhat help balanced the overcaffinated derp that is the Florida Panhandle.
 
2013-03-29 01:19:47 PM  
What the everliving f*ck?
 
2013-03-29 01:21:48 PM  
When I was in high school we had a student congress as a civics exercise.  One of the bills was "they should put everyone with AIDS on an island and then nuke it."  As Speaker, I didn't bring it up for a vote.  It sounds like Fat Matt has moved to Kansas.
 
2013-03-29 01:23:07 PM  
I don't like the sound of these 'ere boncentration bamps.
 
2013-03-29 01:24:31 PM  

codergirl42: I don't like the sound of these 'ere boncentration bamps.


It sounds to me like this is a fine ol' solution to this AIDS problem.
 
2013-03-29 01:25:08 PM  
Goddamn science fearing freaks. Join the goddamn 21st century you farkwits.
 
2013-03-29 01:25:47 PM  
Resolved: Given the mercurous and chaotic nature of Brownbackistan, in service of the public interest a ten foot wall shall be erected around the perimeter after a ten day emigration window for refugees closes.
 
2013-03-29 01:26:06 PM  

Rapmaster2000: codergirl42: I don't like the sound of these 'ere boncentration bamps.

It sounds to me like this is a fine ol' solution to this AIDS problem.


who will defend our children from this dreaded butt flu?
 
2013-03-29 01:26:56 PM  
When I want to relive the 50s, do I turn on Nick-at-Nite or head to Kansas?  Choices, choices.
 
2013-03-29 01:27:42 PM  
More and more every day I think Lincoln made a mistake. I think he should have just let the idiots of the south leave. I think the REAL US would be so better off.
 
2013-03-29 01:30:17 PM  

Corvus: More and more every day I think Lincoln made a mistake. I think he should have just let the idiots of the south leave. I think the REAL US would be so better off.


We should have kept the land but never given them back their representation.
 
2013-03-29 01:31:55 PM  
This theory was also evidenced by a debate earlier this year, when the Kansas health department eliminated HIV testing  for most counties in the state.

Can you really call it the department of health when it appears to not even want people to know that they're sick?
 
2013-03-29 01:32:07 PM  
This is what happens when a critical mass of scientific and mathematical retardation is reached. I don't know why everyone feels so superior; Kansas is pretty much what we are in for if we don't stop devaluing 'pointy headed intellectuals'.

I'm just waiting for the Underground Railroad to get the intellectuals out before they sart revoking diplomas that aren't from Humping Baby Jesus University.
 
2013-03-29 01:32:07 PM  
I remember reading on FARK about a plan to lower global warming by creating a man-made sea in the midwest. Let's do it in Kansas and don't tell them, soiving two problems at once. They can die thinking that it's Noah's flood all over again.
 
2013-03-29 01:32:20 PM  

Rapmaster2000: When I was in high school we had a student congress as a civics exercise.  One of the bills was "they should put everyone with AIDS on an island and then nuke it."  As Speaker, I didn't bring it up for a vote.  It sounds like Fat Matt has moved to Kansas.


I think I've heard my dad say something along those lines in the past.

I was discussing drug decriminalization with my uncle, and he ended the discussion by saying "I think they should just line up these drug addicts and shoot 'em."
 
2013-03-29 01:34:09 PM  

Bermuda59: I remember reading on FARK about a plan to lower global warming by creating a man-made sea in the midwest. Let's do it in Kansas and don't tell them, soiving two problems at once. They can die thinking that it's Noah's flood all over again.


I am sure some ignorant conservative f*ck is going to call you an angry , bigoted liberal for that.

//Before that happens, in, i am.
 
2013-03-29 01:34:15 PM  
Now where is that bill that all bible loving tea party patriots will love. It is where a lower case t is tattooed on your forehead if you are a true tea party patriot, so everyone can see where your patriotic allegiance is.

/If tattooing is against your beliefs, multiple layers from a sharpie will suffice.
 
2013-03-29 01:34:22 PM  
Kansas has been designated NWB, Nuclear Whipping Boy. In the event of nuclear war, allied nations are encouraged to fire their missiles at Kansas to calibrate their targeting systems.

/Simpsons did it
 
2013-03-29 01:34:40 PM  
Kan-landia: The dream of the 80's is alive in Kansas.
 
2013-03-29 01:35:17 PM  
This cannot POSSIBLY be real, riiii....? Oh. Oh wow.
 
2013-03-29 01:35:23 PM  
The nature of our world is that some people are dangerous immoral scum who need to be eliminated from society.

It's just unfortunate that these people are in the Kansas legislature.
 
2013-03-29 01:36:07 PM  
How Cuban.
 
2013-03-29 01:36:19 PM  
This again? Do they think if they act like its 1983 all over again, St. Reagan will rise from his tomb?
 
2013-03-29 01:39:17 PM  
How will this quarantine work? Like a hospital prison? Will they take perfectly healthy people with hiv away from their productive taxpaying jobs and be $50000 a year wards of the state plus $20000 for the meds? Oh. You don't want to pay for the meds? Maybe Obamacare will pay for it. If not, forgett the meds, just let them progress from perfectly healthy with the meds to aids.
 
2013-03-29 01:41:38 PM  
www.milbut.org
 
2013-03-29 01:42:38 PM  

Kevin72: How will this quarantine work? Like a hospital prison? Will they take perfectly healthy people with hiv away from their productive taxpaying jobs and be $50000 a year wards of the state plus $20000 for the meds? Oh. You don't want to pay for the meds? Maybe Obamacare will pay for it. If not, forgett the meds, just let them progress from perfectly healthy with the meds to aids.


i'm imagining a hospital door, chained shut, and spray painted GAY INSIDE
 
2013-03-29 01:42:51 PM  
I've got a better idea. Let's quarantine all the conservatives to Kansas.

A trail of butthurt, if you will.
 
2013-03-29 01:43:37 PM  

James F. Campbell: I've got a better idea. Let's quarantine all the conservatives to Kansas.

A trail of butthurt, if you will.


i think trail of fears works too.
 
2013-03-29 01:43:47 PM  
They just wanted to put the Death Panels and FEMA Concentration Camps to better use ...
 
2013-03-29 01:44:05 PM  
Guess they never heard of the ADA. Morons.
 
2013-03-29 01:47:18 PM  

Bermuda59: I remember reading on FARK about a plan to lower global warming by creating a man-made sea in the midwest. Let's do it in Kansas and don't tell them, soiving two problems at once. They can die thinking that it's Noah's flood all over again.


Someone should create a white house petition for this.
 
2013-03-29 01:47:37 PM  

Corvus: More and more every day I think Lincoln made a mistake. I think he should have just let the idiots of the south leave. I think the REAL US would be so better off.


Kansas wasn't a confederate state.
 
2013-03-29 01:51:37 PM  

Mrbogey: Kansas wasn't a confederate state.


It will be a cold day in Hell before I recognize Kansas as a state, period.
 
2013-03-29 01:52:11 PM  
*cough*HIPAA*cough
 
2013-03-29 01:53:29 PM  
The article is shear horsepucky.  No legislator ever had the intent to have HIV/AIDS patients quarantined in Kansas.   The original version of the law was written poorly enough that an overzealous and insane health department official could have ordered HIV/AIDS patients to be quarantines, but that was never the intent.

The rewritten version of the law makes it clear that diseases that aren't easily communicable are excluded.

/from Kansas, ashamed of Brownback
 
2013-03-29 01:53:43 PM  
It's possible to read the changes that way, but I would not.

The bill only changes two things with respect to HIV.  One is to include fluids or cells that contain HIV as "Other potentially infectious materials."  That definition is relevant only to the section on 'occupational exposure' and the only powers granted with respect to occupational exposure are to: "develop and adopt rules and regulations providing for the protection of individuals who provide medical or nursing services, clinical or forensic laboratory services, emergency medical services and firefighting, law enforcement and correctional services, or who provide any other service {, or individuals who receive any such services} or are in any other employment where the individual may encounter occupational exposure to blood and other potentially infectious materials."

There's no quarantine power there.

A part of the bill that specifically excluded HIV from the definition of "infectious or contagious disease" was removed.  But that section was redundant with other area of the KSA, because the status of HIV was already set in other sections of the law.

So what the law used to say is: "As used in K.S.A. 65-118, 65-119, 65-122, 65-123, 65-126 and 65-129, and amendments thereto, "infectious or contagious disease" means any disease designated by the secretary of health and environment as an infectious or contagious disease in accordance with subsection (a) [but not HIV, because that is dealt with in KSA 65-6001 through 6007.]"

What the law will say now is: "'infectious or contagious disease' means any disease designated by the secretary of health and environment as an infectious or contagious disease in accordance with subsection (a)."

So it no longer makes reference to KSA-6001 through 6007, but those laws are still on the books, and they are the specific laws that apply to AIDS and HIV, while the law quoted above is a generalized rule for contagious disease.  To the extent that they conflict, the more specific rule should trump the more general rule.
 
2013-03-29 01:55:14 PM  

SilentStrider: Goddamn science fearing freaks. Join the goddamn 21st century you farkwits.


Their policies regarding abortion are based on completely wrong science from the 1500s, you expect them to successfully grasp modern disease science?

See also: Climate change and trickle down economics.

/Due to the sh*ttieness of early microscopes, scientists thought that sperm were actually itty bitty humans that got transplanted in to the woman.  They were called homunculi and they don't exist, yet anti-abortion extremists go about their lives acting like they do.
 
2013-03-29 01:56:38 PM  
Hopefully no Kansans got dental treatment in neighboring Oklahoma.
 
2013-03-29 01:56:40 PM  

Kevin72: How will this quarantine work? Like a hospital prison? Will they take perfectly healthy people with hiv away from their productive taxpaying jobs and be $50000 a year wards of the state plus $20000 for the meds? Oh. You don't want to pay for the meds? Maybe Obamacare will pay for it. If not, forgett the meds, just let them progress from perfectly healthy with the meds to aids.


Meds.  Yeah, right.
 
2013-03-29 01:58:46 PM  
 
2013-03-29 02:04:54 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: "This bill was never about isolation or quarantine related to persons with HIV infection. In fact, current law requires that any isolation or quarantine actions taken by the local health officer or secretary of KDHE must be 'reasonable and medically necessary,' wrote D. Charles Hunt, Director of the Bureau of Epidemiology and Public Health Informatics.

In his letter entitled "Open Letter Regarding Kansas House Bill 2183″ Hunt says "Isolating persons with HIV infection or quarantining persons exposed to HIV would not be reasonable or medically necessary, and, therefore, would not be legal."


Is that a binding memo? Could the next Director of BEPHI wave that finding away because gay people leave black slime trails that leak HIV into the atmosphere?
 
2013-03-29 02:05:49 PM  
I believe that they are renaming the state after the current rulers:

www.gilgameshcontrite.com
 
2013-03-29 02:09:29 PM  
Damn, it's 1988 again? Fark it, where's the remote? "Who's the Boss" is on.
 
2013-03-29 02:09:51 PM  
Submitter is confusing "crazy" with "malicious".  Not the same.
 
2013-03-29 02:10:59 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Is that a binding memo? Could the next Director of BEPHI wave that finding away because gay people leave black slime trails that leak HIV into the atmosphere?


Yes, just like background checks at gunshows is going to lead to Obama confiscating every firearm in America.
 
2013-03-29 02:12:02 PM  

Talondel: It's possible to read the changes that way, but I would not.


See DrewCurtisJr comment above.  It is already abundantly clear by everyone in the department of health (and everyone else in Kansas) that isolating folks with HIV is not reasonable or necessary.   This article is nonsense and all the hubbub is nonsense.   Nobody intended for folks with HIV to be quarantined at any time whatsoever.

Perhaps the law is not written well and allows for things to happen that aren't intended, but there is no intent or desire for anyone with HIV/AIDS to be quarantined.
 
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