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(National Journal)   As shocking as it sounds, it seems it is true. The Republicans have a secret plan to repeal Obamacare. But don't tell anyone. It's a secret   (nationaljournal.com ) divider line
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2013-03-29 01:14:34 PM  
They're already tried to repeal it 36 times.

//in a row?
 
2013-03-29 01:16:12 PM  
"Asinine"?

The "Sick" tag would have been more appropriate if you are in favor of keeping ObamaCare. I am sorry but "Asinine" means that someone is doing something incredibly stupid. Forming political strategy is never stupid.
 
2013-03-29 01:16:14 PM  
blog.angelatung.com
 
2013-03-29 01:17:44 PM  

coeyagi: They're already tried to repeal it 36 times.

//in a row?


As the old saying goes, 37th time's the charm.
 
2013-03-29 01:18:46 PM  

cman: "Asinine"?

The "Sick" tag would have been more appropriate if you are in favor of keeping ObamaCare. I am sorry but "Asinine" means that someone is doing something incredibly stupid. Forming political strategy is never stupid.


Right, because they're totally not wasting time on a politically unfeasible move.
 
2013-03-29 01:19:19 PM  
According to the article, the "secret plan", step one was secret meetings to craft the arguments for including repeal in a reconciliation bill, step two was to take control of the Senate and the Presidency following the November 2012 elections and step three was to pass the repeal as part of reconciliation and to have President Romney sign the repeal into law.

I may be mistaken, but I believe that at least one part of the planned process was not concluded properly.
 
2013-03-29 01:20:14 PM  

cman: "Asinine"?

The "Sick" tag would have been more appropriate if you are in favor of keeping ObamaCare. I am sorry but "Asinine" means that someone is doing something incredibly stupid. Forming political strategy is never stupid.



You're thinking insanity, you know, doing something the same way over and over, and expecting different results from the previous 36 times.

But hey, anything to keep the rubes fired up and filling the war chests right?
 
2013-03-29 01:20:28 PM  
t1.gstatic.com

I believe this man had a quote that describes this sort of behaviour
 
2013-03-29 01:21:06 PM  
Ooh.  A secret plan.  Because that'll <b>definitely</b> work when all of the public attempts to do it haven't!
 
2013-03-29 01:21:46 PM  

cman: Forming political strategy is never stupid.


Oh.  It can be, and, most times, when Republicans are the ones forming the strategy, it usually is.
 
2013-03-29 01:21:55 PM  

Arkanaut: cman: "Asinine"?

The "Sick" tag would have been more appropriate if you are in favor of keeping ObamaCare. I am sorry but "Asinine" means that someone is doing something incredibly stupid. Forming political strategy is never stupid.

Right, because they're totally not wasting time on a politically unfeasible move.


When have politicians not engaged in wasting time?
 
2013-03-29 01:22:11 PM  
www.saltandcaramel.com
Approves
 
2013-03-29 01:22:14 PM  
Oh look republicans are still harping on about how bad the things that help the nation prosper are, while diverting attention away from what is destroying us, which is them slobbering on the knobs of corporate interests.
 
2013-03-29 01:22:30 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: coeyagi: They're already tried to repeal it 36 times.

//in a row?

As the old saying goes, 37th time's the charm.


I believe it's actually "Try not to repeal any Obamacare on your way through the parking lot."
 
2013-03-29 01:22:47 PM  
brianbilbro.net
 
2013-03-29 01:27:18 PM  
Desperation

Desperation and Butthurt everywhere!
 
2013-03-29 01:28:30 PM  
*bangs head on wall*
Grow up assholes. Stop trying to rip healthcare from the people who need it most. Or did the Christ you claim  to follow teach you nothing about caring for those less fortunate?
Hope you enjoy hell you asshats.
 
2013-03-29 01:30:57 PM  
This is why Josh is no longer allowed to do press conferences.
 
2013-03-29 01:31:04 PM  
Step 1: Let it pass through all 3 branches of government
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!
 
2013-03-29 01:33:24 PM  
That's a very long article for "Their secret plan is to repeal it".
 
2013-03-29 01:33:30 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: Oh look republicans are still harping on about how bad the things that help the nation prosper are, while diverting attention away from what is destroying us, which is them slobbering on the knobs of corporate interests.


There is something far more dangerous afoot.

Hyper-Partisanship is the by far the biggest factor.

I never thought I would say this but I yearn for pre-2008 partisanship. Sure, everyone was still partisan as fark, but at least our government did run. Post-2008 election hyper-partisanship our Government cant even agree to agree to discuss the most trivial of all things. And, its gotten so petty that there are those who will diss the President for using a different paperclip than the one they expected to see.

I dont like Obama. I don't. But seriously, my fellow righties, we need to stop this bullshiat. This is our problem. Our own crazies became mainstream and this is only part of the result.

When a paperclip becomes a talking point that's when you know that you have hit rock bottom.
 
2013-03-29 01:34:42 PM  
McConnell, a master of byzantine Senate procedure, immediately realized that, as a tax, the individual mandate would be subject to the budget reconciliation process, which exempted it from the filibuster. In other words, McConnell had just struck upon how to repeal Obamacare with a simple majority vote.

McConnel, a master of byzantine Senate procedue, immediately forgot that his team is the one that does all the filibusters, and a simple majority vote needs at least 50 Senators.  And a president willing to sign the legislation.
 
2013-03-29 01:36:04 PM  

cman: Dr. Goldshnoz: Oh look republicans are still harping on about how bad the things that help the nation prosper are, while diverting attention away from what is destroying us, which is them slobbering on the knobs of corporate interests.

There is something far more dangerous afoot.

Hyper-Partisanship is the by far the biggest factor.

I never thought I would say this but I yearn for pre-2008 partisanship. Sure, everyone was still partisan as fark, but at least our government did run. Post-2008 election hyper-partisanship our Government cant even agree to agree to discuss the most trivial of all things. And, its gotten so petty that there are those who will diss the President for using a different paperclip than the one they expected to see.

I dont like Obama. I don't. But seriously, my fellow righties, we need to stop this bullshiat. This is our problem. Our own crazies became mainstream and this is only part of the result.

When a paperclip becomes a talking point that's when you know that you have hit rock bottom.


I believe it was a binder clip.

But more importantly, you don't like Obama because.... by mere virtue of his blackness, he can cause your party to become insane even though he governs practically center-right like Reagan?

I can see why your ass is highly chapped.
 
2013-03-29 01:36:08 PM  

SilentStrider: *bangs head on wall*
Grow up assholes. Stop trying to rip healthcare from the people who need it most. Or did the Christ you claim  to follow teach you nothing about caring for those less fortunate?
Hope you enjoy hell you asshats.


Yes he did. Didn't you hear Paul Ryan say that Jesus Christ's teaching is having people to depend on themselves and not the generosity of others? This is Jesus Christ right?

images.nymag.com

It seems to me its who those on the right think Jesus Christ is.
 
2013-03-29 01:36:12 PM  
If the Republicans want to repeal ACA then why don't they introduce a bill that would repeal it and get it to pass both houses of congress.  Once it passes Congress have Obama sign it.  If the bill doesn't pass then maybe it wasn't a very good bill.
 
2013-03-29 01:37:50 PM  

coeyagi: But more importantly, you don't like Obama because.... by mere virtue of his blackness, he can cause your party to become insane even though he governs practically center-right like Reagan?


Reagan raised taxes 11 times increased spending more and gave amnesty to illegals. So he might be to the left of Obama. At least on matters the GOP say they care the most about.
 
2013-03-29 01:41:44 PM  

cman: Dr. Goldshnoz: Oh look republicans are still harping on about how bad the things that help the nation prosper are, while diverting attention away from what is destroying us, which is them slobbering on the knobs of corporate interests.

There is something far more dangerous afoot.

Hyper-Partisanship is the by far the biggest factor.

I never thought I would say this but I yearn for pre-2008 partisanship. Sure, everyone was still partisan as fark, but at least our government did run. Post-2008 election hyper-partisanship our Government cant even agree to agree to discuss the most trivial of all things. And, its gotten so petty that there are those who will diss the President for using a different paperclip than the one they expected to see.

I dont like Obama. I don't. But seriously, my fellow righties, we need to stop this bullshiat. This is our problem. Our own crazies became mainstream and this is only part of the result.

When a paperclip becomes a talking point that's when you know that you have hit rock bottom.


The only policy the Rs have is tax cuts.

Since this is stupid policy, the only way to distract rubes is with wedge social issues. Unfortunately for the GOP, those wedge s are no longer paying dividends
 
2013-03-29 01:42:10 PM  

cman: Hyper-Partisanship is the by far the biggest factor.


See, this is what I'm talking about. You tried to divert attention away from the real issue again, republicans are so partisan because they only care about who is stuffing their pockets, If we keep people fighting and arguing about women getting help and gays being equal, we almost forget that you're raping the bottom line of everyone's paychecks and quality of life so that a few CEOs can have a new yacht since the old one got wet.
 
2013-03-29 01:47:06 PM  
What not liking Obama and giving no indication of the reasons for that dislike might look like:

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2013-03-29 01:48:15 PM  
I could've told Senator McConnel five years ago that a Republican plan to repeal Obamacare that stood any chance of success would involve budget reconciliation.
 
2013-03-29 01:53:27 PM  
Does the plan start with "Get elected President in 2016"? Because if not, it's not a very good plan
 
2013-03-29 01:53:42 PM  

coeyagi: cman: Dr. Goldshnoz: Oh look republicans are still harping on about how bad the things that help the nation prosper are, while diverting attention away from what is destroying us, which is them slobbering on the knobs of corporate interests.

There is something far more dangerous afoot.

Hyper-Partisanship is the by far the biggest factor.

I never thought I would say this but I yearn for pre-2008 partisanship. Sure, everyone was still partisan as fark, but at least our government did run. Post-2008 election hyper-partisanship our Government cant even agree to agree to discuss the most trivial of all things. And, its gotten so petty that there are those who will diss the President for using a different paperclip than the one they expected to see.

I dont like Obama. I don't. But seriously, my fellow righties, we need to stop this bullshiat. This is our problem. Our own crazies became mainstream and this is only part of the result.

When a paperclip becomes a talking point that's when you know that you have hit rock bottom.

I believe it was a binder clip.

But more importantly, you don't like Obama because.... by mere virtue of his blackness, he can cause your party to become insane even though he governs practically center-right like Reagan?

I can see why your ass is highly chapped.


I dont like Obama for several reasons.

His views and my views are two totally different things. But, the biggie: he is not a strong leader. In this current environment we need a strong leader.

He is certainly charismatic. He can communicate clearly and get his message across. Unfortunately charisma deceives.

Let's look at FDR. The United States was seeing significant troubles. FDR was a very strong leader who eventually learned how to put the Congress and the courts in their place. And lets talk about the other Roosevelt real quickly. Do you think that someone would dare to do even 1/10th of the things we do today to Teddy? No. Teddy would have kicked all their asses and they knew this. They respected him.

Obama came in and he was about compromise. He was the next generation politician. Republicans saw this as weakness, and they thought of it as capitulation instead of compromise. They figured out they could steamroll all over him.

I must admit that his second term has made me a bit more respectful towards him. His second term has been a different story so far concerning leadership capabilities. Obama is actually using his balls.

I am Right Libertarian. A real one, not some Ron Paul Republican. I voted for Gary Johnson. I knew he wasnt going to win, but I still did it and left with a clean conscience. I am happy that Romney lost. Never liked the dude.

/I also wish people would stop assuming that because I am right wing I must be a Republican
 
2013-03-29 01:55:03 PM  
katiedozier.com
 
2013-03-29 01:55:56 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: cman: Hyper-Partisanship is the by far the biggest factor.

See, this is what I'm talking about. You tried to divert attention away from the real issue again, republicans are so partisan because they only care about who is stuffing their pockets, If we keep people fighting and arguing about women getting help and gays being equal, we almost forget that you're raping the bottom line of everyone's paychecks and quality of life so that a few CEOs can have a new yacht since the old one got wet.


I'm raping everyone's pay check?

Wow, dude. Who knew that a random dude sitting at a computer monitor is conspiring to make other people rich while he himself is becoming more poor.

And please, not everyone is D or R.
 
2013-03-29 01:59:32 PM  

cman: I dont like Obama for several reasons.

His views and my views are two totally different things. But, the biggie: he is not a strong leader. In this current environment we need a strong leader.

He is certainly charismatic. He can communicate clearly and get his message across. Unfortunately charisma deceives.

Let's look at FDR. The United States was seeing significant troubles. FDR was a very strong leader who eventually learned how to put the Congress and the courts in their place. And lets talk about the other Roosevelt real quickly. Do you think that someone would dare to do even 1/10th of the things we do today to Teddy? No. Teddy would have kicked all their asses and they knew this. They respected him.

Obama came in and he was about compromise. He was the next generation politician. Republicans saw this as weakness, and they thought of it as capitulation instead of compromise. They figured out they could steamroll all over him.

I must admit that his second term has made me a bit more respectful towards him. His second term has been a different story so far concerning leadership capabilities. Obama is actually using his balls.

I am Right Libertarian. A real one, not some Ron Paul Republican. I voted for Gary Johnson. I knew he wasnt going to win, but I still did it and left with a clean conscience. I am happy that Romney lost. Never liked the dude.

/I also wish people would stop assuming that because I am right wing I must be a Republican


So you are a right libertarian who wants a strong leader who will ignore the courts and the legislature? You must have a rather unique view of what it means to be a libertarian.
 
2013-03-29 02:00:05 PM  

cman: Obama came in and he was about compromise. He was the next generation politician. Republicans saw this as weakness, and they thought of it as capitulation instead of compromise. They figured out they could steamroll all over him.


25.media.tumblr.com
Compromise =/= Weakness
It seems that even for non-ideological Republicans such as yourself;
 compromise = weakness... now I see the problem.
Thank you for your anecdotal evidence good sir.
 
2013-03-29 02:00:28 PM  

cman: When a paperclip becomes a talking point that's when you know that you have hit rock bottom.


but it's a commie muslum paper clip.  the should be using good old amerikun staples.
 
2013-03-29 02:03:50 PM  

coeyagi: cman: Dr. Goldshnoz: Oh look republicans are still harping on about how bad the things that help the nation prosper are, while diverting attention away from what is destroying us, which is them slobbering on the knobs of corporate interests.

There is something far more dangerous afoot.

Hyper-Partisanship is the by far the biggest factor.

I never thought I would say this but I yearn for pre-2008 partisanship. Sure, everyone was still partisan as fark, but at least our government did run. Post-2008 election hyper-partisanship our Government cant even agree to agree to discuss the most trivial of all things. And, its gotten so petty that there are those who will diss the President for using a different paperclip than the one they expected to see.

I dont like Obama. I don't. But seriously, my fellow righties, we need to stop this bullshiat. This is our problem. Our own crazies became mainstream and this is only part of the result.

When a paperclip becomes a talking point that's when you know that you have hit rock bottom.

I believe it was a binder clip.

But more importantly, you don't like Obama because.... by mere virtue of his blackness, he can cause your party to become insane even though he governs practically center-right like Reagan?

I can see why your ass is highly chapped.


I am a left/center libertarian, and I don't like all of Obama's policies.  I can think of many reasons a right/center libertarian might not like him.  Here are just few:

-Continued wiretaps
-Drone policy

If somone is more to the right:
-Increased fuel standards (should be market driven)
-increased gov't R&D (should be private sector

Not saying I agree with them, but these are valid reasons you would oppose Obama that have nothing to do with the color of his skin.
 
2013-03-29 02:06:01 PM  
The secret plan is to repeal "Obamacare" and immediately replace it with a virtually identical bill called the "Reagan Freedom and Liberty American Free Market Healthcare Act".
 
2013-03-29 02:07:26 PM  

Dimensio: According to the article, the "secret plan", step one was secret meetings to craft the arguments for including repeal in a reconciliation bill, step two was to take control of the Senate and the Presidency following the November 2012 elections and step three was to pass the repeal as part of reconciliation and to have President Romney sign the repeal into law.

I may be mistaken, but I believe that at least one part of the planned process was not concluded properly.


It's a cunning plan, to be sure.
 
2013-03-29 02:11:23 PM  

NostroZ: cman: Obama came in and he was about compromise. He was the next generation politician. Republicans saw this as weakness, and they thought of it as capitulation instead of compromise. They figured out they could steamroll all over him.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x281]
Compromise =/= Weakness
It seems that even for non-ideological Republicans such as yourself;
 compromise = weakness... now I see the problem.
Thank you for your anecdotal evidence good sir.


1. I am not a Republican
2. I was attempting to shine their mindset. I should have been more specific. I thought the FDR section would have led the reader to understand what I feel. I dont see Obama as weak because he compromises; I see Obama as weak because, unlike FDR, he is unable to overcome hyperpartisanship. Good leaders find ways to overcome significant obstacles. There are times where it seems that Obama isn't even trying.
 
2013-03-29 02:11:31 PM  

RyansPrivates: coeyagi: cman: Dr. Goldshnoz: Oh look republicans are still harping on about how bad the things that help the nation prosper are, while diverting attention away from what is destroying us, which is them slobbering on the knobs of corporate interests.

There is something far more dangerous afoot.

Hyper-Partisanship is the by far the biggest factor.

I never thought I would say this but I yearn for pre-2008 partisanship. Sure, everyone was still partisan as fark, but at least our government did run. Post-2008 election hyper-partisanship our Government cant even agree to agree to discuss the most trivial of all things. And, its gotten so petty that there are those who will diss the President for using a different paperclip than the one they expected to see.

I dont like Obama. I don't. But seriously, my fellow righties, we need to stop this bullshiat. This is our problem. Our own crazies became mainstream and this is only part of the result.

When a paperclip becomes a talking point that's when you know that you have hit rock bottom.

I believe it was a binder clip.

But more importantly, you don't like Obama because.... by mere virtue of his blackness, he can cause your party to become insane even though he governs practically center-right like Reagan?

I can see why your ass is highly chapped.

I am a left/center libertarian, and I don't like all of Obama's policies.  I can think of many reasons a right/center libertarian might not like him.  Here are just few:

-Continued wiretaps
-Drone policy

If somone is more to the right:
-Increased fuel standards (should be market driven)
-increased gov't R&D (should be private sector

Not saying I agree with them, but these are valid reasons you would oppose Obama that have nothing to do with the color of his skin.


That's fine, most people don't bother to list them. Also, not liking his policies is not the same as not liking him.
 
2013-03-29 02:14:05 PM  
I remember when the GOP was super organized and had amazing party unity. When Obama won the presidency I was scared that the GOP would simply rally and take back power only to undo any progress.

Now I am just amazed any day they manage to stay off the front page with a new scandal or moronic quote. It's like the effort of being organized was too much and now they are just in a free for all.
 
2013-03-29 02:19:21 PM  

Rixel: [t1.gstatic.com image 259x194]

I believe this man had a quote that describes this sort of behaviour


something about the infinite nature of human stupidity?
 
2013-03-29 02:19:27 PM  

cman: NostroZ: cman: Obama came in and he was about compromise. He was the next generation politician. Republicans saw this as weakness, and they thought of it as capitulation instead of compromise. They figured out they could steamroll all over him.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x281]
Compromise =/= Weakness
It seems that even for non-ideological Republicans such as yourself;
 compromise = weakness... now I see the problem.
Thank you for your anecdotal evidence good sir.

1. I am not a Republican
2. I was attempting to shine their mindset. I should have been more specific. I thought the FDR section would have led the reader to understand what I feel. I dont see Obama as weak because he compromises; I see Obama as weak because, unlike FDR, he is unable to overcome hyperpartisanship. Good leaders find ways to overcome significant obstacles. There are times where it seems that Obama isn't even trying.


You see the hyperpartisanship driven by an opposition that that declared on day 1 they wanted absolutely nothing to do with anything Obama did as Obama's fault?
 
2013-03-29 02:23:27 PM  

Evil High Priest: Dimensio: According to the article, the "secret plan", step one was secret meetings to craft the arguments for including repeal in a reconciliation bill, step two was to take control of the Senate and the Presidency following the November 2012 elections and step three was to pass the repeal as part of reconciliation and to have President Romney sign the repeal into law.

I may be mistaken, but I believe that at least one part of the planned process was not concluded properly.

It's a cunning plan, to be sure.


They wouldn't know a cunning plan if one got up on a table, stripped naked, and started singing "Cunning Plans Are Here Again."
 
2013-03-29 02:29:25 PM  
This still blows my mind. Obamacare was a Republican win. We don't get a national healthcare system. We don't get single payer. We don't even get a public option. We get mandated market based health insurance. It's exactly what Republican's have wanted for decades.

They should be shouting from the highest tower that they defeated government intervention in the health care system and imposed market based solutions. Instead, they're just word vommiting. I don't get it at all. You already won. What are you trying to repeal?
 
2013-03-29 02:32:06 PM  

qorkfiend: cman: NostroZ: cman: Obama came in and he was about compromise. He was the next generation politician. Republicans saw this as weakness, and they thought of it as capitulation instead of compromise. They figured out they could steamroll all over him.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x281]
Compromise =/= Weakness
It seems that even for non-ideological Republicans such as yourself;
 compromise = weakness... now I see the problem.
Thank you for your anecdotal evidence good sir.

1. I am not a Republican
2. I was attempting to shine their mindset. I should have been more specific. I thought the FDR section would have led the reader to understand what I feel. I dont see Obama as weak because he compromises; I see Obama as weak because, unlike FDR, he is unable to overcome hyperpartisanship. Good leaders find ways to overcome significant obstacles. There are times where it seems that Obama isn't even trying.

You see the hyperpartisanship driven by an opposition that that declared on day 1 they wanted absolutely nothing to do with anything Obama did as Obama's fault?


When you put it in that aspect, I must sit back and review the full situation.

2008 election was a turning point for conservatism when the American public shiat upon the GOP. The GOP is responsible for the hyperpartisanship. This is pretty much the simple truth. However, Obama didnt do any favors for himself when they saw him bending over backwards trying to compromise. Obama made a significant tactical error that made hyperpartisanship much worse because he appeared weak in the eyes of the GOP by offering compromise.
 
2013-03-29 02:34:58 PM  

cman: When you put it in that aspect, I must sit back and review the full situation.

2008 election was a turning point for conservatism when the American public shiat upon the GOP. The GOP is responsible for the hyperpartisanship. This is pretty much the simple truth. However, Obama didnt do any favors for himself when they saw him bending over backwards trying to compromise. Obama made a significant tactical error that made hyperpartisanship much worse because he appeared weak in the eyes of the GOP by offering compromise.


So Obama is at fault for the current hyperpartisanship because he was not sufficiently hyperpartisan.
 
2013-03-29 02:37:55 PM  
Remember when they were actually going to "replace" Obamacare with.....something.

Man that was hilarious.
 
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