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(Think Progress)   Fox News says gov't. money for sex ed should be used instead for White House tours, apparently so kids can see where bjs happen instead of learn how to perform them safely   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 156
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2013-03-29 11:13:34 AM  
Comprehensive sex education - including abstinence, including safer sex, including contraception - is the easiest, most effective and cheapest way to reduce the number of abortions. If you are against sex education, you're not as pro-life as you think you are, and you're more pro-abortion than the pro-choicers you despise.

Fox News will scream bloody murder if the abortion rate goes up, but denigrates the programs which actually reduce the number of abortions. I realize that you love sticking it to the Libs, but come on Conservatives, do you really enjoy being lied to?
 
2013-03-29 11:17:53 AM  

sprd: BS sensationalist liberal circle-jerk headline.  Move on folks.


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2013-03-29 11:17:53 AM  
My conscience nags at me when I litter. How these farkers get through the day is lost on me.
 
2013-03-29 11:18:25 AM  

Frank N Stein: coeyagi: Frank N Stein: coeyagi: It's ok, Frank isn't obviously using a 30-round magazine when he does it.

So I'm slyly using a 30-round magazine?

Sorry for the adverbial loophole, Frank, but no.

Well in that case, it depends on which offers the better bang for the buck. The girl or the gun.


A BJ trumps a gun anytime.  Those are the Man Rules.*

*May not apply South of the Mason-Dixon line, West of the Mississippi and East of the Rockies.
 
2013-03-29 11:19:13 AM  

sprd: BS sensationalist liberal circle-jerk headline.  Move on folks.


You probably could just die and noone would care.
 
2013-03-29 11:19:16 AM  

Citrate1007: Philip Francis Queeg: ERIC BOLLING: Now we find another $350 million is going to this program for kids as low as five years old. It's absolutely insane. $350 million, do you know how long that would keep the white house tours going? 100 years! The White House could be open for as long as us and our grandchildren would be around. Instead, they're going to learn - I don't even want to know what they're teaching them.

Poor Mrs. Bolling.

That type of sex education is teaching kids that adults shouldn't touch their private parts.....you are taking money away from programs designed to stop child molestation.


I'd bet good money that, if presented with this fact, the Fox folks would say without irony that we shouldn't have to teach kids to avoid being molested, and that we should be teaching adults not to molest instead.
 
2013-03-29 11:22:09 AM  

inclemency: sprd: BS sensationalist liberal circle-jerk headline.  Move on folks.

You probably could just die and noone would care.


People who might care:

1) Parole officer - "Where the f*ck is this cracker?"
2) GBTV - another unrenewed subscription.
3) Garth Brooks - huge percentage drop in album sales.
 
2013-03-29 11:22:52 AM  
What's really funny, in a sort of eugenics way, is that the R's by reducing the education and funding for Birth Control/sex education, etc. is allowing more and more poor people to be born, increasing the number of traditionally D votors.

It's sort of like shooting yourself in the foot, yea.

Cognative Dissonance:  The BELLS,  the Bells!!!
 
2013-03-29 11:24:22 AM  

coeyagi: Frank N Stein: coeyagi: Frank N Stein: coeyagi: It's ok, Frank isn't obviously using a 30-round magazine when he does it.

So I'm slyly using a 30-round magazine?

Sorry for the adverbial loophole, Frank, but no.

Well in that case, it depends on which offers the better bang for the buck. The girl or the gun.

A BJ trumps a gun anytime.  Those are the Man Rules.*

*May not apply South of the Mason-Dixon line, West of the Mississippi and East of the Rockies.


Well duh. I'm making a play of your gun nut perception of me :)
 
2013-03-29 11:25:28 AM  

coeyagi: inclemency: sprd: BS sensationalist liberal circle-jerk headline.  Move on folks.

You probably could just die and noone would care.

People who might care:

1) Parole officer - "Where the f*ck is this cracker?"
2) GBTV - another unrenewed subscription.
3) Garth Brooks - huge percentage drop in album sales.


That's crazy. I ALSO had him pegged as a lunatic who buys thousands of copies of Garth Brooks albums.

What a strange coincidence!
 
2013-03-29 11:29:23 AM  
If they want to teach BJ safety, they could use "The World According to Garp" in the curriculum as a "what not to do" example.
 
2013-03-29 11:29:46 AM  
A boy is given a horse on his 14th birthday. Everyone in the village says, "Oh how wonderful." But a Zen master who lives in the village says, "We'll see." The boy falls off the horse and breaks his foot. Everyone in the village says, "Oh how awful." The Zen master says, "We'll see." The village is thrown into war and all the young men have to go to war. But, because of the broken foot, the boy stays behind. Everyone says, "Oh, how wonderful." The Zen master says, "We'll see."
 
2013-03-29 11:30:38 AM  

OKObserver: How do you "perform" them safely?  Just curious.


Ensure the recipient's spouse and/or girl/boyfriend is not going to show up and stab you afterwards, for one.
 
2013-03-29 11:35:50 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: The gross obsession with White House tours


Chris Matthews much?
 
2013-03-29 11:36:26 AM  

Senor_Hat: A boy is given a horse on his 14th birthday. Everyone in the village says, "Oh how wonderful." But a Zen master who lives in the village says, "We'll see." The boy falls off the horse and breaks his foot. Everyone in the village says, "Oh how awful." The Zen master says, "We'll see." The village is thrown into war and all the young men have to go to war. But, because of the broken foot, the boy stays behind. Everyone says, "Oh, how wonderful." The Zen master says, "We'll see."


Spoiler alert: Turns out the Zen Master was a stroke victim and could only say "We'll see."
 
2013-03-29 11:52:31 AM  
There would probably be a much better chance for education in the House and Senate.  I'm sure there are plenty of congresscritters on their knees in front of some type of lobbyist.
 
2013-03-29 12:04:25 PM  
I grew up in the 70s and 80s. I had sex ed pretty much from 5th grade on to high school.

You know what? It wasn't the "put the condom on the banana" but the "we know that you want to go out there and get your freak on, and we're not going to say that it doesn't seem like a good idea right now, or that it doesn't feel good, but here are the risks you may face, and here's some of the consequences, and since we KNOW you're going to do stuff, here's some ways to be safe, because it's not just AIDS and other sh*t out there, but a fairly high risk that unprotected sex will mean babies in your future. Babies you AREN'T ready for you lovable li'l Muppets" variety.

You know when I had my first child? 32. You know why? Because I knew the risks, I knew the consequences, and I was prepared for it. Did it stop me from all sorts of stuff in high school? Not in the least, but I was at least aware, and I took those precautions. Lived with my future wife for 8 years before we got married, and in that time: no kids. Why? Because we knew we weren't ready for kids, and we were both prepared.

It's not about morality to prepare kids. Or rather, it IS about morality to prepare kids. Kids who know the risks, who know the score, are better able to cope. They KNOW what their church and parents are going to say, but they have the knowledge to be prepared. Not just filled with apocryphal tales of how terrible life will be, but able to fully consent and able to take responsibility for their actions. Keeping kids in the dark about their sexuality isn't protecting them. It is dooming them to make the same damn mistakes that others have made. Education isn't an enemy, and that is one of the odd things that the Religious Right seems to have ingrained at this point. That kids if kids aren't aware of their risks, save that BAD things will happen, then they won't fall prey to temptation. Entirely ignoring the very first big lesson in Genesis, that Adam and Eve fell to even. Without a concept of "die" how could Adam and Eve have known the consequences of eating of the Forbidden Fruit? "Don't do that!" didn't even work in the Garden of Eden, and folks expect that their own flawed selves are going to trump biological urges that they themselves fell to?

Information isn't going to keep kids from experimenting, or getting their freak on. It simply has never worked to forbid sex, but to forbid sex, and then deny kids access to protection, or even knowledge on how to do so, or to even discuss sex in a meaningful way, save between themselves, and without any real guidance, we are essentially throwing out hands up in the air. Give kids the knowledge, and teach them how to protect themselves, give them the tools, and the knowledge, and then advice on how to deal with this pesky biological urge that says, "NOW! NOW! NOW!" and maybe even give them guidance. Real guidance. This mystification, coupled with sexualization in damn near EVERY form of media, doesn't really work to keep kids from experimenting, only with education and access to protection can they navigate intelligently.

You want less welfare cases? Less kids up for adoption? Less folks having kids out of wedlock? Less folks who are forced to marry before they are ready? Less folks putting a strain on budgets with their early children? Less pressure on your school systems? Less folks on assistance? Then sex ed and access to all sorts of birth control is the best way to do so. Not dooming kids to narrowed choices IS the moral choice. Giving them the tools to choose, and choose wisely is the moral choice. It is also the less fiscally onerous choice, which then saves our budgets for other things we might need. Less folks on welfare. Less folks needing emergency care. Less folks reliant on the state. It is the sane choice. It is likewise the moral choice, because we ALL know that folks are flawed. We are these amazing biologic machines whose main imperative is "BREED HARDER!" and we are geared for it, as soon as the pipes and fittings are mature enough to do so, but we don't live in the savanna any longer.  We don't have to replace ourselves quite as quickly. We want civilized folks, then we have to educate them, and allow them access to the tools to protect themselves.
 
2013-03-29 12:08:18 PM  

Citrate1007: That type of sex education is teaching kids that adults shouldn't touch their private parts.....you are taking money away from programs designed to stop child molestation.


2012 showed them that they haven't done enough to court Catholic voters.
 
2013-03-29 12:17:31 PM  

Biff_Steel: Why is the government in the tour business at all? It's not in the constitution.


Neither is sex-ed (at the Federal level). Judging by the need for the high school to provide child care for the spawn of students neither the sex-ed nor the free condoms given out by school nurses' office are very effective.
 
2013-03-29 12:18:00 PM  

cwolf20: Or the tours could be charged.  Who wouldn't want to go on the Biden A'Whirl ride


Legitimate Rape-itron
 
2013-03-29 12:19:04 PM  

hasty ambush: Neither is sex-ed (at the Federal level). Judging by the need for the high school to provide child care for the spawn of students neither the sex-ed nor the free condoms given out by school nurses' office are very effective.


Yeah, in places like MIssissippi and Texas...places that don't offer comprehensive sex ed.

FULL CIRCLE
 
2013-03-29 12:25:39 PM  
Good grief. FOX News is basically the house of a thousand halfwits.
 
2013-03-29 12:26:35 PM  

Poopspasm: Good grief. FOX News is basically the house of a thousand halfwits.


You give them about 500 too many wits.
 
2013-03-29 12:32:45 PM  
Americans, always with the money comment.

FACT
There is no evidence that sex education in schools has helped prevent, control or reduce the number of babies or STDs in America. Birth of babies to teenage females and STDs across the 15-30 age group continue to rise since the 50s.
 
2013-03-29 12:34:44 PM  

sprd: BS sensationalist liberal circle-jerk headline.  Move on folks.



Well you're a swell egg...
 
2013-03-29 12:35:27 PM  

Frank N Stein: learn how to perform them safely

As someone who has received a blow job once or twice, I feel I'm qualified to make this assessment:

How does one perform them unsafely? You stick your dick in the girl's mouth. If she has any common sense (which she doesn't because she's giving you a blow job) she'd keep her teeth out of the way.


Trust me when I tell you that it is an acquired skill. There is a lot that can go wrong if one of the parties doesn't know what they're doing.
 
2013-03-29 12:36:45 PM  

nocturnal001: Citrate1007: Philip Francis Queeg: ERIC BOLLING: Now we find another $350 million is going to this program for kids as low as five years old. It's absolutely insane. $350 million, do you know how long that would keep the white house tours going? 100 years! The White House could be open for as long as us and our grandchildren would be around. Instead, they're going to learn - I don't even want to know what they're teaching them.

Poor Mrs. Bolling.

That type of sex education is teaching kids that adults shouldn't touch their private parts.....you are taking money away from programs designed to stop child molestation.

That is a state's rights issue Sir.  It's my business if I want my kids to learn about molestation, and if I decide so I will teach them about it myself!


That's what everyone is afraid of.
 
2013-03-29 12:37:05 PM  

Citrate1007: Teaching children how to make proper decisions about things that can affect them for the rest of their lives isn't important...........this is literally what conservatives believe.


How many Conservatives have you literally interviewed to come to this conclusion?
 
2013-03-29 12:39:48 PM  

Neruos: Americans, always with the money comment.

FACT
There is no evidence that sex education in schools has helped prevent, control or reduce the number of babies or STDs in America. Birth of babies to teenage females and STDs across the 15-30 age group continue to rise since the 50s.


OK, so you've got facts, but what about teenage MALES?!
 
2013-03-29 12:41:49 PM  

Lumpmoose: I don't know if there's any way to incorporate a cigar into a BJ and call it safe.


If they stick to delivering pizzas and make sure they take all clothing worn to the dry cleaners promptly, then no one has to know...unless someone leaks it to Drudge of course.
 
2013-03-29 12:47:29 PM  

nocturnal001: Citrate1007: Philip Francis Queeg: ERIC BOLLING: Now we find another $350 million is going to this program for kids as low as five years old. It's absolutely insane. $350 million, do you know how long that would keep the white house tours going? 100 years! The White House could be open for as long as us and our grandchildren would be around. Instead, they're going to learn - I don't even want to know what they're teaching them.

Poor Mrs. Bolling.

That type of sex education is teaching kids that adults shouldn't touch their private parts.....you are taking money away from programs designed to stop child molestation.

That is a state's rights issue Sir.  It's my business if I want my kids to learn about molestation, and if I decide so I will teach them about it myself!


So you're saying Jerry Sandusky was only performing a community service?
 
2013-03-29 12:50:57 PM  
They're angry at the sex ed because they know that it will reduce the number of little bastards.  A reduction in this strategic resource will end up as a severe reduction in Republican adults.  Therefore sex education is a direct attack on the Republican party. Q.E.D.
 
2013-03-29 12:54:16 PM  
What the fark is up with everyone asking how to perform a safe blowjob? You might not be able to get pregnant in the mouth but you sure as hell can get herpes in the mouth.
 
2013-03-29 12:54:22 PM  

IlGreven: nocturnal001: Citrate1007: Philip Francis Queeg: ERIC BOLLING: Now we find another $350 million is going to this program for kids as low as five years old. It's absolutely insane. $350 million, do you know how long that would keep the white house tours going? 100 years! The White House could be open for as long as us and our grandchildren would be around. Instead, they're going to learn - I don't even want to know what they're teaching them.

Poor Mrs. Bolling.

That type of sex education is teaching kids that adults shouldn't touch their private parts.....you are taking money away from programs designed to stop child molestation.

That is a state's rights issue Sir.  It's my business if I want my kids to learn about molestation, and if I decide so I will teach them about it myself!

So you're saying Jerry Sandusky was only performing a community service?


He is clearly a hero for privatizing a wasteful government program. The catholic church too.

Proof positive that the super team of private enterprise and the church can solve our issues without stupid government.
 
2013-03-29 12:55:06 PM  

Neruos: Americans, always with the money comment.

FACT
There is no evidence that sex education in schools has helped prevent, control or reduce the number of babies or STDs in America. Birth of babies to teenage females and STDs across the 15-30 age group continue to rise since the 50s.


FACT:
You are full of shiat. Births may have risen as an absolute, as our overall population has grown over that same time period. But the teen birth RATE was falling in the 90s and early 2000s.

The Guttmacher Institute also noted contraception's role in preventing unintended pregnancies in a
Additionally, they cite studies that show reductions in teenage pregnancy thanks to increased contraception use. Notably:
One study found that from 1991 to 2003, contraceptive use improved among sexually active U.S. high school students... these adolescents' risk of pregnancy declined 21% over the 12 years. Another study found that increased contraceptive use was responsible for 77% of the sharp decline in pregnancy among 15-17-year-olds between 1995 and 2002 (decreased sexual activity was responsible for the other 23%); and increased contraceptive use was responsible for all of the decline in pregnancy among 18-19-year-olds.
There is also strong evidence that comprehensive sex education (as opposed to abstinence-only) helps

So let me offer you some safer sex advice... go fark yourself.
 
2013-03-29 12:57:30 PM  

Neruos: Americans, always with the money comment.

FACT
There is no evidence that sex education in schools has helped prevent, control or reduce the number of babies or STDs in America. Birth of babies to teenage females and STDs across the 15-30 age group continue to rise since the 50s.


If you don't go looking for evidence, you probably won't find any.

http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2005/02/sex-education.aspx
Plenty more where that came from.
 
2013-03-29 01:00:09 PM  
I've been on that tour.  It's pretty boring, TBH. Without a guide, you're basically looking at a bunch of nice furniture and paintings you've probably seen before.  The Kennedy painting was the only interesting thing I really remember about it, and like I said, it wasn't like I'd never seen it before.  You don't get anywhere near anything interesting.  Definitely not worth the hassle of a background check.
 
2013-03-29 01:00:12 PM  

OKObserver: How do you "perform" them safely?  Just curious.


Sadly, the correct answer is "With a condom."

Which is, quite frankly, the only piece of advice I ever give my patients that I am sure is 100% ignored. Nor do I pretend that I expect them to do it, although I do recommend flavored condoms.

Well documented to transmit gonorrhea, viral hepatitis, syphilis, and herpes 1 and 2, of course. Tiny risk of transmission of HIV, but not zero.

http://www.uhs.uga.edu/sexualhealth/oral_sex.html
http://www.cdc.gov/std/Herpes/STDFact-Herpes.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/std/gonorrhea/STDFact-gonorrhea.htm
 
2013-03-29 01:04:24 PM  

Neruos: Americans, always with the money comment.

FACT
There is no evidence that sex education in schools has helped prevent, control or reduce the number of babies or STDs in America. Birth of babies to teenage females and STDs across the 15-30 age group continue to rise since the 50s.


Really? I'd be dying to know where you get your facts from. Because every bit of evidence I've seen is the exact opposite. The rise in education directly correlates with a reduction in those problems. The places where those issues are growing are typically in the South, where there's the most resistance to actual sex education. FACT. But mine have references:

http://www.cdc.gov/teenpregnancy/LongDescriptors.htm
http://www.thenationalcampaign.org/national-data/NBR-teens-15-19.asp x
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/05/1/gr050107.html
http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats07/trends.htm
 
2013-03-29 01:07:42 PM  

Neruos: FACT
There is no evidence that sex education in schools has helped prevent, control or reduce the number of babies or STDs in America.


You could not be more wrong.  And considering this is the internet, that's saying something.

For starters...
 
2013-03-29 01:13:26 PM  

Trivia Jockey: hasty ambush: Neither is sex-ed (at the Federal level). Judging by the need for the high school to provide child care for the spawn of students neither the sex-ed nor the free condoms given out by school nurses' office are very effective.

Yeah, in places like MIssissippi and Texas...places that don't offer comprehensive sex ed.

FULL CIRCLE


or California

or Vermont

etc, etc, etc. etc.
 
2013-03-29 01:17:43 PM  

hasty ambush: Trivia Jockey: hasty ambush: Neither is sex-ed (at the Federal level). Judging by the need for the high school to provide child care for the spawn of students neither the sex-ed nor the free condoms given out by school nurses' office are very effective.

Yeah, in places like MIssissippi and Texas...places that don't offer comprehensive sex ed.

FULL CIRCLE

or California

or Vermont

etc, etc, etc. etc.



First line of your first link:  "Although California's teen birth rate remains lower than the United States' rate, and substantially lower than demographically comparable states such as Texas..."

Second link is one paragraph with no factual basis with which to understand the statistic.

On the contrary, there are several links posted above by me and others which presents the OVERWHELMINGLY conclusive evidence that comprehensive sex ed is orders of magnitude better in reducing teen pregnancy and STDs than abstinence-only states.

You're fighting a losing battle here, pal.
 
2013-03-29 01:29:23 PM  
The Why Not Guy:
   Neruos :
   FACT
   There is no evidence that sex education in schools has helped prevent, control or reduce
   the number of babies or STDs in America. Birth of babies to teenage females and STDs
   across the 15-30 age group continue to rise since the 50s.

FACT:
You are full of shiat. Births may have risen as an absolute, as our overall population has grown over that same time period. But the teen birth RATE was falling in the 90s and early 2000s.


He may be full of shiat, but at least he can read.
What he said was that sex ed in schools and that there was no direct effect.  In order to come to a conclusion, one would need to compare schools that provided the education vs those that did not.  One would then compare the birth rates.

Providing a country wide aggregate number proves nothing.  It could be influenced by many things, including pirates or that tight jeans are the latest fashion in men's clothes.
 
2013-03-29 01:33:15 PM  
The fact that we're even having a debate questioning whether comprehensive sex ed in public schools is beneficial or not is so sad...given that we're not Ghana or Afghanistan.
 
2013-03-29 01:34:09 PM  
I bet any kid with an internet connection and some free time that is really curious about the birds and the bees, can get all the facts they need.

Unfortunately, they also have access to porn that makes even a jaded old hedonist like me wince once in a while.

Including it in the educational system only ensures there is a uniformity of what they are given in the context of the people their guardians have chosen for them to learn from.
 
2013-03-29 01:35:10 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Providing a country wide aggregate number proves nothing.


I mentioned the country wide aggregate in response to the claim that births to teenage females have been on the rise CONTINUALLY since the 1950s. They may have in terms of an absolute number, but they most definitely have not in terms of a rate, which is a better indication of whether sex education is effective.

So basically you mocked my reading skills while misreading my post. Let me guess: Conservative?
 
2013-03-29 01:35:51 PM  

vudukungfu: I bet any kid with an internet connection and some free time that is really curious about the birds and the bees, can get all the facts they need.


Of course...they'll learn all about the benefits of DVDA, how you can avoid pregnancy via bukkake, and they'll be able to solve the age-old math problem involving a couple of girls and a cup.
 
2013-03-29 01:36:50 PM  

Trivia Jockey: benefits of DVDA


Oh, great. Now I have something ELSE to Look Up.
 
2013-03-29 01:37:38 PM  
I was under the impression that conservatives hated sex ed.  Shouldn't this be something they're excited about?
 
2013-03-29 01:37:52 PM  

The Why Not Guy: So basically you mocked my reading skills while misreading my post. Let me guess: Conservative?


I'd stop engaging those two...political leanings are irrelevant here.  You have to be the intellectual equivalent of a jellyfish to make the case that comprehensive sex ed isn't effective or beneficial.
 
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