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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-29 08:33:18 AM  
It's probably a good thing that his father grew tomatoes and not cotton.
 
2013-03-29 08:58:15 AM  
Wow what an ass

But anyways, can someone of Latino descent school me and tell me how they feel about that term?
 
2013-03-29 09:07:30 AM  
Alaskans, wasn't giving us Sarah Palin enough? You foist this dumbass off on America as well?
 
2013-03-29 09:15:59 AM  
Wow, the GOP is really embracing this new minority outreach thing Reince Priebus was talking about at CPAC.
 
2013-03-29 09:17:37 AM  
"During a sit down interview with Ketchikan Public Radio this week, I used a term that was commonly used during my days growing up on a farm in Central California," the statement said.
"I know that this term is not used in the same way nowadays and I meant no disrespect."


That's not even a non-apology apology.
 
2013-03-29 09:18:40 AM  
Obviously you guys are the real racists because he meant to say "Nethacks". He was reminiscing about his roguelike-playing days. Now everything is all done by machine, e.g. there are RPGs with graphics. Cut the old man a break.
 
2013-03-29 09:18:53 AM  
"I know that this term is not used in the same way nowadays and I meant no disrespect."

Umm, I'm not anywhere near as old as this guy, but I have a feeling the term is used exactly the same as it was back then.
 
2013-03-29 09:19:22 AM  
I'm not saying this racist word, but this racist word
 
2013-03-29 09:19:35 AM  
I'm pretty sure that it meant the same thing back then and today.
 
2013-03-29 09:20:48 AM  

cman: Wow what an ass

But anyways, can someone of Latino descent school me and tell me how they feel about that term?


I don't know, the term refers to being wet from swimming across the border illegally. //not remotely Latino
 
MFK
2013-03-29 09:21:28 AM  

WI241TH: "I know that this term is not used in the same way nowadays and I meant no disrespect."

Umm, I'm not anywhere near as old as this guy, but I have a feeling the term is used exactly the same as it was back then.


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2013-03-29 09:21:57 AM  
Anyone asked Don "Not a racist" Young what he thinks about Eskimos?
 
2013-03-29 09:22:22 AM  
Racism works like Teh Ghey.  If you call someone racist/gay, YOU'RE the one who's racist/gay!

Stop persecuting this innocent idiot because you're secretly racits!
 
2013-03-29 09:22:34 AM  
Say what you will about Republicans, but the one thing they are really, really good at is dehumanizing the people they hate.
 
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2013-03-29 09:22:59 AM  

vpb: It's probably a good thing that his father grew tomatoes and not cotton.


wow...just wow.
 
2013-03-29 09:24:30 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: "During a sit down interview with Ketchikan Public Radio this week, I used a term that was commonly used during my days growing up on a farm in Central California," the statement said.
"I know that this term is not used in the same way nowadays and I meant no disrespect."

That's not even a non-apology apology.


Yeah.  I hate to tell him that the term is used in the same way today as it was 50 years ago.  It was racist then and it's racist now.
 
2013-03-29 09:24:34 AM  

Vodka Zombie: Say what you will about Republicans, but the one thing they are really, really good at is dehumanizing the people they hate.


And they hate everyone who isn't a straight, white, christian, wealthy, elderly male.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-29 09:25:58 AM  

MindStalker: cman: Wow what an ass

But anyways, can someone of Latino descent school me and tell me how they feel about that term?

I don't know, the term refers to being wet from swimming across the border illegally. //not remotely Latino


That's where it came from, but it's sort of like calling an Italian a WOP.  Neither was originally racist, but both are used to imply that anyone of a particular ethnic group doesn't have any legitimate business to be here.

I don't think the "N word" was originally racist, it was just bad pronunciation.

It's a matter of how it's used.
 
2013-03-29 09:26:23 AM  

Generation_D: Anyone asked Don "Not a racist" Young what he thinks about Eskimos?


You mean icebacks?
 
2013-03-29 09:26:27 AM  
Stupid gringo.
 
2013-03-29 09:29:27 AM  

MindStalker: cman: Wow what an ass

But anyways, can someone of Latino descent school me and tell me how they feel about that term?

I don't know, the term refers to being wet from swimming across the border illegally. //not remotely Latino


Huh, I thought it was because it was implying that they were only good for doing sweaty, manual labor.
 
2013-03-29 09:30:15 AM  

vpb: MindStalker: cman: Wow what an ass

But anyways, can someone of Latino descent school me and tell me how they feel about that term?

I don't know, the term refers to being wet from swimming across the border illegally. //not remotely Latino

That's where it came from, but it's sort of like calling an Italian a WOP.  Neither was originally racist, but both are used to imply that anyone of a particular ethnic group doesn't have any legitimate business to be here.

I don't think the "N word" was originally racist, it was just bad pronunciation.

It's a matter of how it's used.


Absolutely. Those slave ship captains meant the utmost respect to their cargo!
 
2013-03-29 09:30:19 AM  

Generation_D: Alaskans, wasn't giving us Sarah Palin enough? You foist this dumbass off on America as well?


Too big to inline
 
2013-03-29 09:31:37 AM  
The scary thing is this is how Republicans talk in front of each other and think its perfectly acceptable.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-29 09:38:02 AM  
Generation_D:

Absolutely. Those slave ship captains meant the utmost respect to their cargo!

No, but there was nothing particularly bad about that word.  It was just a word.  It was just a badly pronounced version of "Negro" which was simply the term used.

It became racist word because it was used by racists and associated with them.  The Same with WOP which just meant "without papers" back in the days when you didn't have to apply for an immigrant visa before you came to the US.

You could come without an immigrant visa from England and be a "WOP" but it has taken on a racist connotation as an anti-Italian word.  Just like you never hear about someone coming illegally from Canada being called a "wetback".
 
2013-03-29 09:43:42 AM  
How does admitting your family was perfectly willing to not only refuse to turn in, but illegally hire undocumented workers play into the whole "Rule Of Law" thingy?  Doesn't sound very bootstrappy.
 
2013-03-29 09:44:45 AM  

vpb: Generation_D:

Absolutely. Those slave ship captains meant the utmost respect to their cargo!

No, but there was nothing particularly bad about that word.  It was just a word.  It was just a badly pronounced version of "Negro" which was simply the term used.

It became racist word because it was used by racists and associated with them.  The Same with WOP which just meant "without papers" back in the days when you didn't have to apply for an immigrant visa before you came to the US.

You could come without an immigrant visa from England and be a "WOP" but it has taken on a racist connotation as an anti-Italian word.  Just like you never hear about someone coming illegally from Canada being called a "wetback".


I'm trying to come up with an example of someone being more wrong, but I'm coming up blank.
 
2013-03-29 09:47:56 AM  
Another GOP "I'm sorry had to feel offended" BS apology.
 
2013-03-29 09:48:22 AM  
adamgreeney:

I'm trying to come up with an example of someone being more wrong, but I'm coming up blank.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-29 09:48:44 AM  

Sgt Otter: MindStalker: cman: Wow what an ass

But anyways, can someone of Latino descent school me and tell me how they feel about that term?

I don't know, the term refers to being wet from swimming across the border illegally. //not remotely Latino

Huh, I thought it was because it was implying that they were only good for doing sweaty, manual labor.


nope, it's the river crossing.  Proper use refers to "undocumented" immigrants, not Latinos in general, not Latino day laborers in general.
Given the context, he probably used it incorrectly.  If he had been hiring illegals to do that work in the past, replacing 50-60 of them with expensive machinery wouldn't be cost effective.  The math only works out if those were Real Americans losing their jerbs to the machines.
 
2013-03-29 09:48:46 AM  

DubyaHater: Another GOP "I'm sorry youhad to feel offended" BS apology.


Fixed
 
2013-03-29 09:51:00 AM  

vpb: You could come without an immigrant visa from England and be a "WOP" but it has taken on a racist connotation as an anti-Italian word. Just like you never hear about someone coming illegally from Canada being called a "wetback".


If you got wet crossing a coming river here from Canada (or one of the great lakes, I guess) you'd probably freeze to death in the process.  Hence the term "frostback" to describe Canadian immigants.
 
2013-03-29 09:54:19 AM  
Conservatives think that reporting the things republicans say while they know they are being recording is media bias........seriously, this is what they think left wing bias is.
 
2013-03-29 09:56:28 AM  

vpb: Generation_D:

Absolutely. Those slave ship captains meant the utmost respect to their cargo!

No, but there was nothing particularly bad about that word.  It was just a word.  It was just a badly pronounced version of "Negro" which was simply the term used.

It became racist word because it was used by racists and associated with them.  The Same with WOP which just meant "without papers" back in the days when you didn't have to apply for an immigrant visa before you came to the US.

You could come without an immigrant visa from England and be a "WOP" but it has taken on a racist connotation as an anti-Italian word.  Just like you never hear about someone coming illegally from Canada being called a "wetback".


So wetback and wop are/were used against specific groups of people to single them out as "different" and "others" and "not belonging here", and yet they're NOT intended as "bad" words?

What?
 
2013-03-29 09:57:29 AM  

vpb: MindStalker: cman: Wow what an ass

But anyways, can someone of Latino descent school me and tell me how they feel about that term?

I don't know, the term refers to being wet from swimming across the border illegally. //not remotely Latino

That's where it came from, but it's sort of like calling an Italian a WOP.  Neither was originally racist, but both are used to imply that anyone of a particular ethnic group doesn't have any legitimate business to be here.

I don't think the "N word" was originally racist, it was just bad pronunciation.

It's a matter of how it's used.


You sound ridiculous.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-29 10:01:56 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: vpb: MindStalker: cman: Wow what an ass

But anyways, can someone of Latino descent school me and tell me how they feel about that term?

I don't know, the term refers to being wet from swimming across the border illegally. //not remotely Latino

That's where it came from, but it's sort of like calling an Italian a WOP.  Neither was originally racist, but both are used to imply that anyone of a particular ethnic group doesn't have any legitimate business to be here.

I don't think the "N word" was originally racist, it was just bad pronunciation.

It's a matter of how it's used.

You sound ridiculous.


Maybe to someone who isn't very bright.
 
2013-03-29 10:04:02 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: vpb: MindStalker: cman: Wow what an ass

But anyways, can someone of Latino descent school me and tell me how they feel about that term?

I don't know, the term refers to being wet from swimming across the border illegally. //not remotely Latino

That's where it came from, but it's sort of like calling an Italian a WOP.  Neither was originally racist, but both are used to imply that anyone of a particular ethnic group doesn't have any legitimate business to be here.

I don't think the "N word" was originally racist, it was just bad pronunciation.

It's a matter of how it's used.

You sound ridiculous.


Oh, please.
 
2013-03-29 10:05:55 AM  

vpb: Generation_D:

Absolutely. Those slave ship captains meant the utmost respect to their cargo!

No, but there was nothing particularly bad about that word.  It was just a word.  It was just a badly pronounced version of "Negro" which was simply the term used.

It became racist word because it was used by racists and associated with them.  The Same with WOP which just meant "without papers" back in the days when you didn't have to apply for an immigrant visa before you came to the US.

You could come without an immigrant visa from England and be a "WOP" but it has taken on a racist connotation as an anti-Italian word.  Just like you never hear about someone coming illegally from Canada being called a "wetback".


The commonly accepted etymology is that it originates from a southern Italian dialect term guappo, meaning swagger, derived from the Spanish term guapo, via dialectical French, meaning ruffian or pimp.

An English person wouldn't be a WOP ...there's no history of large Italian immigration into Britain since after the time of The Romans, and 'wop' is a pejorative used against Italians specifically there too.

WOP = WithOut Papers is a backronym.
 
2013-03-29 10:06:55 AM  

vpb: DROxINxTHExWIND: vpb: MindStalker: cman: Wow what an ass

But anyways, can someone of Latino descent school me and tell me how they feel about that term?

I don't know, the term refers to being wet from swimming across the border illegally. //not remotely Latino

That's where it came from, but it's sort of like calling an Italian a WOP.  Neither was originally racist, but both are used to imply that anyone of a particular ethnic group doesn't have any legitimate business to be here.

I don't think the "N word" was originally racist, it was just bad pronunciation.

It's a matter of how it's used.

You sound ridiculous.

Maybe to someone who isn't very bright.


Good retort. I'll have to use that one day. Since we're randomly creating facts today, I don't think that your mother stopped huffing paint when she got into the third trimester like she promised. That was easy.
 
2013-03-29 10:07:55 AM  

vpb: DROxINxTHExWIND: vpb: MindStalker: cman: Wow what an ass

But anyways, can someone of Latino descent school me and tell me how they feel about that term?

I don't know, the term refers to being wet from swimming across the border illegally. //not remotely Latino

That's where it came from, but it's sort of like calling an Italian a WOP.  Neither was originally racist, but both are used to imply that anyone of a particular ethnic group doesn't have any legitimate business to be here.

I don't think the "N word" was originally racist, it was just bad pronunciation.

It's a matter of how it's used.

You sound ridiculous.

Maybe to someone who isn't very bright.


That someone is you.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-29 10:11:02 AM  
Dan the Schman:
So wetback and wop are/were used against specific groups of people to single them out as "different" and "others" and "not belonging here", and yet they're NOT intended as "bad" words?

What?


If you had bothered to read my post you would know that they didn't originally have that meaning, but came to have it later, because they were often used that way.

Just like "colored" and "Negro" have come to be offensive, even though they weren't when the NAACP and the "Negro College Fund" were established.

Too much nuance for Fark I guess.
 
2013-03-29 10:12:52 AM  

vpb: Dan the Schman:
So wetback and wop are/were used against specific groups of people to single them out as "different" and "others" and "not belonging here", and yet they're NOT intended as "bad" words?

What?

If you had bothered to read my post you would know that they didn't originally have that meaning, but came to have it later, because they were often used that way.

Just like "colored" and "Negro" have come to be offensive, even though they weren't when the NAACP and the "Negro College Fund" were established.

Too much nuance for Fark I guess.


Please document a single respectful use of the term "wetback".
 
2013-03-29 10:17:44 AM  

vpb: Dan the Schman:
So wetback and wop are/were used against specific groups of people to single them out as "different" and "others" and "not belonging here", and yet they're NOT intended as "bad" words?

What?

If you had bothered to read my post you would know that they didn't originally have that meaning, but came to have it later, because they were often used that way.

Just like "colored" and "Negro" have come to be offensive, even though they weren't when the NAACP and the "Negro College Fund" were established.

Too much nuance for Fark I guess.


Classes in Logic should be required for all school children.
 
2013-03-29 10:20:14 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: "During a sit down interview with Ketchikan Public Radio this week, I used a term that was commonly used during my days growing up on a farm in Central California," the statement said.
"I know that this term is not used in the same way nowadays and I meant no disrespect."

That's not even a non-apology apology.


No, Mr. Young, the term was used in the exact same way then.  You could just get away with it.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-29 10:24:17 AM  
Jackpot777:

An English person wouldn't be a WOP ...there's no history of large Italian immigration into Britain since after the time of The Romans, and 'wop' is a pejorative used against Italians specifically there too.

WOP = WithOut Papers is a backronym.


No, the commonly accepted definition is that it meant WithOut papers.

The Wikipedia entry that you looked up doesn't even make sense.  Italians speak Italian, not Spanish.  Guapo is Spanish for "handsome", it isn't even an Italian word.
 
2013-03-29 10:26:48 AM  

vpb: Dan the Schman:
So wetback and wop are/were used against specific groups of people to single them out as "different" and "others" and "not belonging here", and yet they're NOT intended as "bad" words?

What?

If you had bothered to read my post you would know that they didn't originally have that meaning, but came to have it later, because they were often used that way.

Just like "colored" and "Negro" have come to be offensive, even though they weren't when the NAACP and the "Negro College Fund" were established.

Too much nuance for Fark I guess.


First of all, stop using derogatory slang for blacks in your examples. It's a silly red herring, and you've also been called out on your revisionism of the term wop.

This is about the term "wetback", which is specifically accusing Mexicans of swimming across a river to cross the border illegally.

Now, how could anyone have ever used "wetback" in a non-derogatory manner? Or do you have a revisionist argument for how "wetback" had some other meaning back in the day?
 
2013-03-29 10:30:12 AM  

WI241TH: "I know that this term is not used in the same way nowadays and I meant no disrespect."

Umm, I'm not anywhere near as old as this guy, but I have a feeling the term is used exactly the same as it was back then.


Growing up in San Antonio in the late '50s, I heard "wetbacks" used casually (usually by immigrants from elsewhere in the South, not by native Anglos -- they had their own derogatory terms) to refer to ANY Hispanic, including non-Mexicans. And including Tejanos, whose ancestors settled in Texas a couple centuries before the Yanks ever got there. It's just knee-jerk bigotry, always was, always will be.
 
2013-03-29 10:32:30 AM  
I was mistaken when I said it would take a week for liberals to get back to telling us how horrible and racist the Republicans were after they all but cheered one of their own on for a bigoted tirade.

It only took two days.
 
2013-03-29 10:35:13 AM  

vpb: Dan the Schman:
So wetback and wop are/were used against specific groups of people to single them out as "different" and "others" and "not belonging here", and yet they're NOT intended as "bad" words?

What?

If you had bothered to read my post you would know that they didn't originally have that meaning, but came to have it later, because they were often used that way.

Just like "colored" and "Negro" have come to be offensive, even though they weren't when the NAACP and the "Negro College Fund" were established.

Too much nuance for Fark I guess.


um, dude. I got you flagged as "not a racist." Because guys that get all up in peoples faces defending racist terms tend to be racists. Its like your brain is so damn certain its right and we're not, you must absolutely keep posting / digging the hole you're in, regardless of the responses.

If you ever decide to quit digging, consider this: Words have meaning, they cannot be taken out of context.

you live in modern-day America.

Arguing historical meaning (wrongly, I might add) is just more fuel on the fire.

Let me sum this up: You're a dumbass and you're wrong.
 
2013-03-29 10:36:39 AM  

vpb: Jackpot777:

An English person wouldn't be a WOP ...there's no history of large Italian immigration into Britain since after the time of The Romans, and 'wop' is a pejorative used against Italians specifically there too.

WOP = WithOut Papers is a backronym.

No, the commonly accepted definition is that it meant WithOut papers.

The Wikipedia entry that you looked up doesn't even make sense.  Italians speak Italian, not Spanish.  Guapo is Spanish for "handsome", it isn't even an Italian word.


For one second let's assume that you're not utterly wrong... which is assuming a lot since you can't comprehend how two countries near each other with languages based on Latin could borrow/modify each others' words...

Let's assume WOP originally meant Without Papers, and for some reason was only used against Italians, and somehow made it's way back across the Atlantic into Britain...

Or were you suggesting it was used against all immigrants who didn't have papers? And for some random reason it only stuck in reference to Italians?

Either way, how is that NOT insulting and derogatory? It's literally a label that identifies them as a group not belonging to the United States.
 
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