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2013-03-29 08:00:57 AM  
classic.  oh so classic.
they're doing what they've planned for oh so long.  and that's standing for family/helping people.
 
2013-03-29 08:11:22 AM  
How long until Congress accidentally makes it mandatory?
 
2013-03-29 08:47:47 AM  
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-29 08:54:42 AM  
So, the political right seem to be moving past denial, anger, and bargaining; is this depression or acceptance?
 
2013-03-29 09:03:32 AM  
How long till he's considered the biggest RINO in the history of ever
 
2013-03-29 09:03:49 AM  
why shouldnt the queers be allowed to be as miserable as everyone else?

Next, Compulsory marriage and polygamy
 
2013-03-29 09:04:17 AM  
Bravo, subby.  A dig at Rush cum "hero tag" to start everyone's Friday off just right.
 
2013-03-29 09:04:48 AM  

Walker: [img.photobucket.com image 401x196]


Dominican boys don't count
 
2013-03-29 09:06:04 AM  
Are we really looking to Rush Limbaugh for advice about marriage and values? Oh, I guess we probably are. Married 4 times and a drug abuser, good call.
 
2013-03-29 09:06:32 AM  
RINO!!!
 
2013-03-29 09:06:33 AM  
Thank you, m'lord.

/not gay
//but now I can be!
 
2013-03-29 09:06:41 AM  
"I don't care what the Supreme Court does, this is now inevitable - and it's inevitable because we lost the language on this. "

Well, that and that fact that you didn't have a rational, logical, or even factually correct argument.

freeforever: A dig at Rush cum "hero tag" to start everyone's Friday off just right.


Ewww. Rush cum.
 
2013-03-29 09:07:12 AM  
Oh, the butthurt will be widespread.

/snicker
 
2013-03-29 09:07:17 AM  

Pichu0102: How long till he's considered the biggest RINO in the history of ever


Dude makes his living by biatching about liberals.  Think that over for a minute.  It's called self preservation.
 
2013-03-29 09:07:26 AM  
Cry more, fat man.
 
2013-03-29 09:08:55 AM  
I like how he blames the left for making the issue about denying rights.  What a booger.
 
2013-03-29 09:09:59 AM  

abb3w: So, the political right seem to be moving past denial, anger, and bargaining; is this depression or acceptance?


I'm pretty sure this is the start of depression.  Acceptance is when they realize that letting teh gheys marry will not destroy the world and turn them all into lustful cockmonsters/carpetmunchers.
 
2013-03-29 09:10:30 AM  
What position that the right holds enjoys majority support from voters? Gun control? The Ryan budget? Voucherizing Social Security? Tax cuts for the rich? Immigration? Iran? Drill, baby, drill? Voter restriction? They lost 2012 because none of their positions have majority support. They'll lose 2014 and 2016 for the same reason.
 
2013-03-29 09:11:39 AM  

abb3w: So, the political right seem to be moving past denial, anger, and bargaining; is this depression or acceptance?


No, it's them starting the effort to re-write history, just like they've tried to do on other issues.  I've read about how "conservatives" were for civil rights for black people and voting rights for women way before liberals were.  They're just going to point out who the REAL bigots are in the future.
 
2013-03-29 09:13:01 AM  
"Marriage is one thing, and it was not established on the basis of discrimination," he continued. "It wasn't established on the basis of denying people anything. 'Marriage' is not a tradition that a bunch of people concocted to be mean to other people with. But we allowed the left to have people believe that it was structured that way. "

I thought it was established as another way to treat people as property?
 
2013-03-29 09:13:21 AM  

ristst: Oh, the butthurt will be widespread.

/snicker

graphics8.nytimes.com
I'm worried. There's a lot of butthurt out there and all my data points to something big on the horizon. Let's say this Twinkie represents the normal amount of butthurt energy in the conservative blogosphere. Based on this morning's Rush Limbaugh blatherings, it would be a Twinkie... thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.
 
2013-03-29 09:13:59 AM  
DOMA was a stinker from the beginning. It simply was terrible, and at the time, I was disgusted at the debate. Because fundamental rights, such as marriage, to be defined in such moralistic terms, especially in the light of Biblical interpretation was offensive to the concept of the freedom to worship freely.

That is really the issue. The freedom of practice one's religion freely, equality under the law, and the right to privacy. Three simple things that we expect as Americans, and guaranteed under our Constitution.

DOMA was a stinker, because of this. It flew in the face of all three. Not everyone in this nation are Christians, not all Christians follow narrow prohibitions on Leviticus--and in fact, the very fact that Red Lobsters aren't burned down sort of shows that, nor are Super Cuts for that matter--and some folks don't even follow ANY faith tradition at all. Equality under the law is more than just about black folks, or brown folks, or even yellow folks. We also have that pesky right to live our lives without the intrusive nose of the government all up in business at home.

I get that some folks don't like homosexuals. And within the confines of your own ministries and churches, you can keep them from marrying under the auspices of your religious institutions. I fully support that. You do what you want within your churches, and teach your children at home that it's wrong, and terrible, and have at it. The problem is trying to keep OTHER churches and OTHER faiths from their own teachings. And imposing your views on those who don't share your interpretations.

The debate is lost, because folks wanted to use the best indicator of moral virtue that they could come up with. And the problem was using religious texts to back up the position. Because there is some debate even within Christian faiths if this is an issue. In the same way that haircuts that trim the sides of your hair, the eating of shellfish and delicious pork ribs are up for debate as well. Somehow, we aren't burning down every damn Red Lobster, and banning haircuts, and oddly enough, if you look at Leviticus, not demanding that folks stop harassing immigrants, not screaming about the intrinsic practices of factory farming, and not demanding that liars and adulterers be stoned in the streets.

Do what you want in your own ministries. You don't want to have folks married within your own churches, have at that. But stop demanding that everyone follow your teachings, because it has been stated time and again, that we are not JUST a Christian nation. And even within the confines of Christianity itself, there are those who don't follow those interpretations, and atheists aren't bound by those teachings either, so maybe you should just stick to your own churches, and teach your own kids what you will, and stop screaming that EVERYONE be taught your way.

You want to bring folks to your way of thinking? BE examples of the virtue that you espouse. Be beacons. Be the examples. Show folks the light of charity that your faith urges you to. Show folks how your faith improves your lives, and while you're at it, maybe clean house a little bit, to decry the folks who sully your faith by maybe casting some of those stones that you have reserved for folks of other faiths, and point to the folks who lie, cheat, steal, and even sully the institution of marriage with adultery within your own circles. Be the examples, and you will bring folks to you. Be the Christians that I respect and admire--and my Buddhist tochis DOES respect folks from other faith traditions. I know and love many folks who are Christian, folks with deep faith and abiding moral and ethical centers who inspire me. They inspire me, because they live the teachings, and aspire to be better, to lift up folks with them. Be better people, and be filled with the deep compassion that I KNOW many good Christians aspire to. Be the example, and bring folks to you by that example. Be better than those who simply use the teachings to dun others, be better Christians, and you will find not a war against your faith, but respect and admiration. Be better. Be the example.
 
2013-03-29 09:14:10 AM  

abb3w: So, the political right seem to be moving past denial, anger, and bargaining; is this depression or acceptance?


Depression. Notice how he's saying (paraphrasing here) "it's all our (conservatives) fault, we allowed the definition of the word to be changed".
 
2013-03-29 09:14:15 AM  

Notabunny: What position that the right holds enjoys majority support from voters? Gun control? The Ryan budget? Voucherizing Social Security? Tax cuts for the rich? Immigration? Iran? Drill, baby, drill? Voter restriction? They lost 2012 because none of their positions have majority support. They'll lose 2014 and 2016 for the same reason.


Gun control is an issue where more people support GOP.  Even people like myself who consider themselves liberal often disagree with democrats gun control.  Unless they are from the northeast.
 
2013-03-29 09:15:11 AM  

Pertifly: Married 4 times and a drug abuser sick person that desperately needs your sympathy (who incidently screamed for 20 years that all drug users should be lined up and shot)


Fixed.  For everyone.
 
2013-03-29 09:15:13 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: abb3w: So, the political right seem to be moving past denial, anger, and bargaining; is this depression or acceptance?

No, it's them starting the effort to re-write history, just like they've tried to do on other issues.  I've read about how "conservatives" were for civil rights for black people and voting rights for women way before liberals were.  They're just going to point out who the REAL bigots are in the future.


Well, Republicans DID free the slaves, while the Democrats wanted them kept in chains.

Of course, I know enough about history to understand how the parties flipped their stances over a hundred year period.
 
2013-03-29 09:15:56 AM  
Is this Rush "When a gay person turns his back on you, it is anything but an insult; it's an invitation" Limbaugh?

Well you could blow me down with a feather.

I mean, he's more racist/misogynist than homophobic, but he's certainly changing his stance to a more-inclusive one on this issue. Widening it, you might say.
 
2013-03-29 09:16:52 AM  

Notabunny: What position that the right holds enjoys majority support from voters? Gun control? The Ryan budget? Voucherizing Social Security? Tax cuts for the rich? Immigration? Iran? Drill, baby, drill? Voter restriction? They lost 2012 because none of their positions have majority support. They'll lose 2014 and 2016 for the same reason.


No, no, no!  You have it all wrong!  It's not the messages and positions it's how they CONVEY those messages that's the problem.

/no, I couldn't keep a straight face when I typed that
 
2013-03-29 09:17:06 AM  

ristst: Oh, the butthurt will be widespread.

/snicker


www.bitlogic.com
 
2013-03-29 09:18:54 AM  
There is no reason that polygamy shouldn't be legal as well.
 
2013-03-29 09:19:23 AM  
Wow.  I think this quote is way more important:

"The compelling argument is on the side of homosexuals," O'Reilly said Tuesday on Fox. "That's where the compelling argument is. 'We're Americans. We just want to be treated like everybody else.' That's a compelling argument, and to deny that, you have got to have a very strong argument on the other side. The argument on the other side hasn't been able to do anything but thump the Bible."
 
2013-03-29 09:19:48 AM  
GLBT? LGBT? BLT? Oh great, now I'm hungry.
 
2013-03-29 09:20:25 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: ristst: Oh, the butthurt will be widespread.

/snicker
[graphics8.nytimes.com image 480x307]
I'm worried. There's a lot of butthurt out there and all my data points to something big on the horizon. Let's say this Twinkie represents the normal amount of butthurt energy in the conservative blogosphere. Based on this morning's Rush Limbaugh blatherings, it would be a Twinkie... thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.


That's a big twinkie
 
2013-03-29 09:20:35 AM  

doubled99: There is no reason that polygamy shouldn't be legal as well.


True.  But moral standards in this country aren't on your side yet. :)  (Nor is the IRS tax code.)
 
2013-03-29 09:20:58 AM  

hubiestubert: DOMA was a stinker from the beginning. It simply was terrible, and at the time, I was disgusted at the debate. Because fundamental rights, such as marriage, to be defined in such moralistic terms, especially in the light of Biblical interpretation was offensive to the concept of the freedom to worship freely.

That is really the issue. The freedom of practice one's religion freely, equality under the law, and the right to privacy. Three simple things that we expect as Americans, and guaranteed under our Constitution.

DOMA was a stinker, because of this. It flew in the face of all three. Not everyone in this nation are Christians, not all Christians follow narrow prohibitions on Leviticus--and in fact, the very fact that Red Lobsters aren't burned down sort of shows that, nor are Super Cuts for that matter--and some folks don't even follow ANY faith tradition at all. Equality under the law is more than just about black folks, or brown folks, or even yellow folks. We also have that pesky right to live our lives without the intrusive nose of the government all up in business at home.

I get that some folks don't like homosexuals. And within the confines of your own ministries and churches, you can keep them from marrying under the auspices of your religious institutions. I fully support that. You do what you want within your churches, and teach your children at home that it's wrong, and terrible, and have at it. The problem is trying to keep OTHER churches and OTHER faiths from their own teachings. And imposing your views on those who don't share your interpretations.

The debate is lost, because folks wanted to use the best indicator of moral virtue that they could come up with. And the problem was using religious texts to back up the position. Because there is some debate even within Christian faiths if this is an issue. In the same way that haircuts that trim the sides of your hair, the eating of shellfish and delicious pork ribs are up for debate as well. Somehow, we aren't burning down every damn Red Lobster, and banning haircuts, and oddly enough, if you look at Leviticus, not demanding that folks stop harassing immigrants, not screaming about the intrinsic practices of factory farming, and not demanding that liars and adulterers be stoned in the streets.

Do what you want in your own ministries. You don't want to have folks married within your own churches, have at that. But stop demanding that everyone follow your teachings, because it has been stated time and again, that we are not JUST a Christian nation. And even within the confines of Christianity itself, there are those who don't follow those interpretations, and atheists aren't bound by those teachings either, so maybe you should just stick to your own churches, and teach your own kids what you will, and stop screaming that EVERYONE be taught your way.

You want to bring folks to your way of thinking? BE examples of the virtue that you espouse. Be beacons. Be the examples. Show folks the light of charity that your faith urges you to. Show folks how your faith improves your lives, and while you're at it, maybe clean house a little bit, to decry the folks who sully your faith by maybe casting some of those stones that you have reserved for folks of other faiths, and point to the folks who lie, cheat, steal, and even sully the institution of marriage with adultery within your own circles. Be the examples, and you will bring folks to you. Be the Christians that I respect and admire--and my Buddhist tochis DOES respect folks from other faith traditions. I know and love many folks who are Christian, folks with deep faith and abiding moral and ethical centers who inspire me. They inspire me, because they live the teachings, and aspire to be better, to lift up folks with them. Be better people, and be filled with the deep compassion that I KNOW many good Christians aspire to. Be the example, and bring folks to you by that example. Be better than those who simply use the teachings to dun others, be better Christians, and you will find not a war against your faith, but respect and admiration. Be better. Be the example.


Gay butt sex iz teh gross
 
2013-03-29 09:22:39 AM  
I think it was less about the language and more about these crusty cheese pusses not wanting to,  once again, come down on the wrong side of history about what make America great.
 
2013-03-29 09:23:26 AM  
I don't think yall are fully grasping what RL did this morning.  He's abandoned one half of the long-held social agenda of the GOP.  The social conservatives, the religious right, cling to the GOP for two reasons: Opposition to Abortion and Opposition to Gay Rights.

He's surrendered the field.  He's calling a retreat and regroup.  He is the Herald and de facto leader of the GOP on the ground and he's giving up on gay marriage.

And it's no coincidence that Limbaugh 'and' O'Reilly both did this this week.  It's no coincidence that O'Reilly referred to the religious right as 'bible thumpers'.  This is a sincere effort by the establishment GOP to shed the most extreme fringe of the social conservative GOP.

This is going to be a very interesting weekend.  I cannot wait to see how the AFA, Pat Robertson and other fringe social conservatives react to being told to retreat and abandon the field of battle.
 
2013-03-29 09:23:53 AM  

vygramul: ristst: Oh, the butthurt will be widespread.

/snicker

[www.bitlogic.com image 800x624]


"This sucker is a Cat 6!"
 
2013-03-29 09:24:39 AM  
So okay, I'm at the supermarket yesterday getting havarti cheese, honey glazed turkey, and sliced london broil for my sammichs this week when I walk in on an old black woman and my deli guy talking about gay marriage and gays in general.

The only black woman was giving all the standard arguments about how it's un-natural, and how we've lost our way from the word of God, and the problem with America today is that parents don't raise their children to know and respect God, and it's really the parents fault - because Satan will tempt us through any way he knows how, but it's up to parents to raise their children to resist the call of Satan and live in the image which God wants us to live.

So I'm sitting there thinking... wow.  On one hand, even as a fairly devout Christian myself I disagree that being gay is against the bible... but on the other hand, the fact that she argued that the problem with America is the fact that most parents suck made me actually listen to her argument.

lol
 
2013-03-29 09:27:08 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Prank Call of Cthulhu: ristst: Oh, the butthurt will be widespread.

/snicker
[graphics8.nytimes.com image 480x307]
I'm worried. There's a lot of butthurt out there and all my data points to something big on the horizon. Let's say this Twinkie represents the normal amount of butthurt energy in the conservative blogosphere. Based on this morning's Rush Limbaugh blatherings, it would be a Twinkie... thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.

That's a big twinkie


That's what she said
 
2013-03-29 09:27:37 AM  
A man that's been married 4 times knows all about redefining marriage.
 
2013-03-29 09:28:24 AM  

doubled99: There is no reason that polygamy shouldn't be legal as well.


Also then I should be able to marry my pet lynx and we can stop living in sin
 
2013-03-29 09:29:43 AM  

Notabunny: What position that the right holds enjoys majority support from voters? Gun control? The Ryan budget? Voucherizing Social Security? Tax cuts for the rich? Immigration? Iran? Drill, baby, drill? Voter restriction? They lost 2012 because none of their positions have majority support. They'll lose 2014 and 2016 for the same reason.


They only hold the House because of gerrymandered districts. It's pathetic.
 
2013-03-29 09:29:57 AM  

abb3w: So, the political right seem to be moving past denial, anger, and bargaining; is this depression or acceptance?


It's called "Leaving the sinking ship."
 
2013-03-29 09:30:05 AM  
There is no reason that polygamy shouldn't be legal as well.

Also then I should be able to marry my pet lynx and we can stop living in sin



It's a slippery slope!
 
2013-03-29 09:31:16 AM  
How long before i can marry my boyfriend and girlfriend legally?
 
2013-03-29 09:31:20 AM  
Has Victoria Jackson weighed in?

/snicker
//gettin' a lot of mileage outta this one today
 
2013-03-29 09:33:39 AM  
FTFA: "O'Reilly has previously stated he takes a libertarian view on the issue"

Well of course he does...

/Can't wait to see the SNL sketch of Fox and Friends about this topic
 
2013-03-29 09:33:40 AM  

Infernalist: I don't think yall are fully grasping what RL did this morning.  He's abandoned one half of the long-held social agenda of the GOP.  The social conservatives, the religious right, cling to the GOP for two reasons: Opposition to Abortion and Opposition to Gay Rights.

He's surrendered the field.  He's calling a retreat and regroup.  He is the Herald and de facto leader of the GOP on the ground and he's giving up on gay marriage.

And it's no coincidence that Limbaugh 'and' O'Reilly both did this this week.  It's no coincidence that O'Reilly referred to the religious right as 'bible thumpers'.  This is a sincere effort by the establishment GOP to shed the most extreme fringe of the social conservative GOP.

This is going to be a very interesting weekend.  I cannot wait to see how the AFA, Pat Robertson and other fringe social conservatives react to being told to retreat and abandon the field of battle.


In 2009, some Iowa State Senator's daughter pointed out to two Republicans that they had already lost the gay marriage debate. It's amazing that, only now, are they seeing that they lost. Eventually, they might even figure out that they lost 20 years ago and didn't even see it happening.
 
2013-03-29 09:35:33 AM  

Notabunny: They'll lose 2014 and 2016


Why, has gerrymandering suddenly ceased and reversed itself or something?
 
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