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(Townhall)   It's not cool to cherry pick scripture; now let me explain why one single verse in Leviticus is used to decide who can get married   (townhall.com ) divider line
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2013-03-29 08:36:29 AM  
Reposted for Relevance...

Top Ten Reasons to Make Gay Marriage Illegal

01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all like many of the principles on which this great country was founded; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of marriages like Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.

09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.


Mind you, if we want to look at Leviticus, and NOT just cherrypick which ones, and simply cite which ones are ridiculous, how about we look at some of the things that sort of get forgotten by some folks that might support some promotion of the general welfare?


Leviticus 19:10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.

Which seems to point to Yahweh being down with welfare and assisting folks in need.

Leviticus 19:14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.

Yahweh seems to be down with helping the handicapped too.

Leviticus 19:16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I am the LORD.

So, apparently, lying and telling tales is not approved of, and that communities should stand together. Not just the pale people or the brown people, but all y'all's people...

Leviticus 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

Guess wishing death and terribleness on your neighbors is out too. How many Democrats or Libertarians or Scientologist you think live in your neighborhoods?

Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Gee. Love thy neighbor. Nor on the children of your people. Whuddathunkit?

And, of course, there is something about immigrants that is completely ignored by the rabid Christian nationalists...

Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.

Leviticus 19:34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Does that mean we can end this ridiculousness about trying to repeal the 14th Amendment, since Leviticus was down with that sort of thing LONG before the Founding Fathers or Lincoln?

Or if we have to throw out Leviticus as being outdated, does this mean we can toss out the whole hating the gheys thing too?

And while we're at it, why the heck aren't more people out there doing this, if we're to follow Leviticus?

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2013-03-29 08:46:41 AM  

hubiestubert: Or if we have to throw out Leviticus as being outdated, does this mean we can toss out the whole hating the gheys thing too?

And while we're at it, why the heck aren't more people out there doing this, if we're to follow Leviticus?


And, hopefully, I can finally wear poly-cotton blends. My wife has been getting irritable since I've been kicking her out of the house once a month too.
 
2013-03-29 08:52:47 AM  
you're doing the LORD's work, hubie
 
2013-03-29 09:02:48 AM  
www.bitlogic.com
 
2013-03-29 09:05:50 AM  
 
2013-03-29 09:21:03 AM  
There is always this argument, if all else fails.
 
2013-03-29 09:34:27 AM  
Here's a challenge: show why marriage equality should not happen without using any religious arguments.
 
2013-03-29 09:52:53 AM  
"Let's also recognize that Christian "faith" does not require us to suspend our rational faculties or ignore evidence."

Let me go ahead and stop you right there
 
2013-03-29 09:58:36 AM  
Two Town Hall links in one day, this is just to much potato in one day.
 
2013-03-29 09:59:27 AM  
Unlike certain cultural icons today, Jesus didn't preach what people's itching ears wanted to hear.

This is an article by David Limbaugh.
 
2013-03-29 09:59:57 AM  

TheOnion: "Let's also recognize that Christian "faith" does not require us to suspend our rational faculties or ignore evidence."

Let me go ahead and stop you right there


t1.gstatic.com
Falsified evidence is a  kind of evidence!
 
2013-03-29 09:59:59 AM  
If you're talking about Jesus and the Old Testament, you should point out that Jesus viewed himself as the fullfilment of Jewish prophecy and only came to preach to Jews.  He considered Gentiles to be filth and referred to them as "dogs" on multiple occasions.

The whole "Christianity for Gentiles" thing came from Saul/Paul, a person who modern analysis would call temporarily insane after suffering a manic episode, possibly triggered by epilepsy, on the road to Damascus.

When Jesus is talking, unless you're a Jew, he's not talking to you.
 
2013-03-29 10:00:41 AM  

GAT_00: Here's a challenge: show why marriage equality should not happen without using any religious arguments.


... and without using some version of "because I said so"/"just because" or "it gives me the willies".
 
2013-03-29 10:01:02 AM  
If my neck and shoulder wasn't hurting I'd protest some fine lobster dining establishment in Dallas today. I wouldn't bother with Red Lobster, people eating there are illiterate morons.
 
2013-03-29 10:01:05 AM  

GAT_00: Here's a challenge: show why marriage equality should not happen without using any religious arguments.


A well-reasoned and logical* explanation devoid of any religious reference has already been made. You should already be aware of this, having participated in that discussion.


*To individuals who have recently suffered traumatic brain injury.
 
2013-03-29 10:01:56 AM  
Why are we using a book of myths to decide law again?
 
2013-03-29 10:03:03 AM  
On the side of the page is an advertisement with a picture of Mt Pinatubo erupting with the caption "they don't want you to see this video". Can conservatives even live without constantly being lied to?
 
2013-03-29 10:04:29 AM  
In Genesis, God makes the light and sees that it's good. And He makes the land and the sea, and sees that they are good. And he makes grass and seed and flowering plants and sees that they are good. And on to the sun and the moon and whales and beasts and cattle and man and God sees that all of these are good. In fact, in 1:31, it says that they are  very good.

And then you get to 2:18, and there's one thing -  one thing in the entire Bible - that God explicitly said is "not good," and that's that man should be alone.

... so why the hell are some so-called Christians trying to prevent marriage?
 
2013-03-29 10:04:43 AM  

TheOnion: "Let's also recognize that Christian "faith" does not require us to suspend our rational faculties or ignore evidence."

Let me go ahead and stop you right there


Or his other quote, "First, let's dispense with the myth..." in paragraph 5.

Yes, let's dispense with the entire myth.
 
2013-03-29 10:06:17 AM  
All of you going on about Leviticus - you know there's 4 other books, right?

Genesis: if you're not having kids (jury's out on what "be fruitful and multiply" actually means - keep having kids 'til you die, have more than replacement value, at least 1 boy and 1 girl...?)
Exodus: At trial, all you need are two witnesses. No physical evidence, no juries, no lawyers, no Constitutionally-protected right against self-incrimination - a set of judges asks 2 witnesses questions until they feel they have an understanding of the case. The sentences are whipping, spiritual excision or death, depending on the crime. Also, the calendar is now lunar, and starts in Spring ("Behold this month is the head of months").
Numbers: A census is taken not by filling out a form, but by mailing a 50-cent piece to DC for each male member of your household between 20 and 40. Also, we have a crapton of new holidays, and anyone who eats bread this week gets spiritually excised.
Deuteronomy: Smash idolatrous cities (and burn everything in them to ash), kill your rebellious kids, kill witches and blasphemers, do not EVER question god's prophets (that's a killin') and a rehash of the Big 10.
 
2013-03-29 10:07:50 AM  
You do realize that no one in America is required to give two shiats about the Bible or anything it may or may not say, right?

Right?!?
 
2013-03-29 10:08:23 AM  
And again I say unto you, it is easier for a camel to enter into the kingdom of God, than for a rich man to go through the eye of a needle.

Matthew 19:24
 
2013-03-29 10:13:00 AM  

phaseolus: GAT_00: Here's a challenge: show why marriage equality should not happen without using any religious arguments.

... and without using some version of "because I said so"/"just because" or "it gives me the willies".


I can do better than that. I can show why marriage equality SHOULD happen using nothing but religious arguments. The "but but but JEEBUS!!!" types tend to forget or ignore that there are many, many religions in the US and that gay marriages fall in the "why the fark are we discussing this?" category, along with a whole slew of other non-issues, for a lot of us.

After many years of gentle reminders that there is more than one religion in the US, many times involving stupid crap like this, I can come to only one conclusion. Abrahamics are farkin' perverts.
 
2013-03-29 10:13:00 AM  

Dr Dreidel: All of you going on about Leviticus - you know there's 4 other books, right?


yah, but leviticus is just such a concentration of goofy rules that nobody follows, it's hard to ignore.

for everybody that'd list of a levitical condemnation of homogayness, there's the automatic list of 'ok, now why are you trimming your forelocks, eating proscribed foods that are labeled abominations, etc'

leviticus is just this long list of shiat that nobody follows - which makes sense, as we aren't levites.

in other words, i doubt leviticus would have anybody mentioning it at all if it weren't for people that acted like that one line about homogayness should have some relevance - but if we've got to add the goofiness from the other books to the list for completeness's sake, i can dig it - it just gets to be a loooooooooong list.
 
2013-03-29 10:14:06 AM  

TheOnion: "Let's also recognize that Christian "faith" does not require us to suspend our rational faculties or ignore evidence."

Let me go ahead and stop you right there


"Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on you own understanding.
In all your ways, acknowledge Him,
And He will direct your paths.

Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the Lord, and turn away from evil."

-Proverbs 3:5-7

(By the way, modern evangelicalism tends to be a little more postmodern than that; they'd never tell you to *ignore* facts or evidence, they'd just tell you that if your "facts" or "evidence" go against scripture, then your human interpretation of the world around you must be flawed.)

/ ...and don't even get me started on Paul's rants about "taking every thought captive" and "knowledge falsely called"...
 
2013-03-29 10:15:09 AM  
Let's also recognize that Christian "faith" does not require us to suspend our rational faculties or ignore evidence. To the contrary, our faith is based on an abundance of credible, compelling evidence. Yes, faith is absolutely indispensible to Christianity, but it is wholly compatible with our God-given critical capacities.

I wonder how many times his keyboard mysteriously burst into flame while he was trying to type that paragraph?
 
2013-03-29 10:19:10 AM  

Dimensio: GAT_00: Here's a challenge: show why marriage equality should not happen without using any religious arguments.

A well-reasoned and logical* explanation devoid of any religious reference has already been made. You should already be aware of this, having participated in that discussion.


*To individuals who have recently suffered traumatic brain injury.


I beleve the qualifiers also included well-reasoned and logical.
 
2013-03-29 10:19:34 AM  

syrynxx: If you're talking about Jesus and the Old Testament, you should point out that Jesus viewed himself as the fullfilment of Jewish prophecy and only came to preach to Jews.  He considered Gentiles to be filth and referred to them as "dogs" on multiple occasions.
The whole "Christianity for Gentiles" thing came from Saul/Paul, a person who modern analysis would call temporarily insane after suffering a manic episode, possibly triggered by epilepsy, on the road to Damascus.
When Jesus is talking, unless you're a Jew, he's not talking to you.


You clearly know nothing about the bible and shouldn't pretend that you do.

You're referring to the dog reference in Matthew 7, and you're misinterpreting it wildly. The rest of your nonsensical bullshiat can be refuted simply with:

"Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." -Matthew 28:18-20"
 
2013-03-29 10:23:41 AM  

heap: Dr Dreidel: All of you going on about Leviticus - you know there's 4 other books, right?

yah, but leviticus is just such a concentration of goofy rules that nobody follows, it's hard to ignore.


Oh, sure - I was just pointing out that there's all kinds of fun in the Pentateuch. The holidays in particular; I notice Christianity celebrates none of the ones specifically mentioned (5 by my count; 2 of those are weeklong celebrations, and 2 of them carry VERY stiff penalties for not observing).

// eating, drinking, farking, bathing or wearing leather shoes on Yom Kippur gets you spiritually excised
// eating bread on Passover does, too
// had egg/bacon on English Muffin this morning
 
2013-03-29 10:25:06 AM  

give me doughnuts: Dimensio: GAT_00: Here's a challenge: show why marriage equality should not happen without using any religious arguments.

A well-reasoned and logical* explanation devoid of any religious reference has already been made. You should already be aware of this, having participated in that discussion.


*To individuals who have recently suffered traumatic brain injury.

I beleve the qualifiers also included well-reasoned and logical.


The descriptors "well-reasoned" and "logical" were stated by me, and not stipulated in the original request.

/Faulty reasoning is a kind of reasoning.
 
2013-03-29 10:25:21 AM  
Just out of curiosity....has anyone from the "Leviticus Herp:Derp" crowd ever tried to justify the reasons they can ignore everything else?
 
2013-03-29 10:25:26 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Oh, sure - I was just pointing out that there's all kinds of fun in the Pentateuch


when you've got a book that starts with the same story twice, complete with contradictions that you have to believe completely, and ends with a mushroom fueled fever dream, the fun never stops.
 
2013-03-29 10:25:32 AM  

GAT_00: Here's a challenge: show why marriage equality should not happen without using any religious arguments.


Strom Thurman had kids when he was really old.
Study it out.
 
2013-03-29 10:25:43 AM  

Pappas: You clearly know nothing about the bible and shouldn't pretend that you do.


Maybe Jesus can phrase it better than I did.

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
 
2013-03-29 10:26:31 AM  

jayhawk88: Just out of curiosity....has anyone from the "Leviticus Herp:Derp" crowd ever tried to justify the reasons they can ignore everything else?


Yes: Christ fulfilled the law.

/You stipulated "tried"; you did not additionally stipulate "succeed".
 
2013-03-29 10:26:56 AM  

jayhawk88: Just out of curiosity....has anyone from the "Leviticus Herp:Derp" crowd ever tried to justify the reasons they can ignore everything else?


well, jesus fulfilled the law or something so old testament law doesn't matter. except for homogayness.

i never said it was a good justification. just what i see offered.
 
2013-03-29 10:28:23 AM  
"People decry and ridicule the Bible as full of superstition, bigotry and incredible supernaturalism, yet eagerly embrace their own superstitions that often require more faith to believe than biblical truths. Their God-void entices them to spiritualize and idolize environmentalism, full-blown Darwinism, astrology, pagan mysticism and any number of other politically correct beliefs, while scoffing at biblical Christianity."

Environmentalism and Darwinism (i.e., evolution) are superstitions like astrology and pagan mysticism?

dgt1.net
 
2013-03-29 10:28:59 AM  
that chicken must be dressing all slutty and walking around the yard like a whore or something....

 sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-03-29 10:30:37 AM  
i can't figure out the point of that article, except that jesus wasn't the nice guy we think?
 
2013-03-29 10:30:54 AM  
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2013-03-29 10:31:37 AM  
By the way, if these laws are struck down, it would be nice if Americans didn't strut around proclaiming it's a 'great day for freedom,' and about being a 'beacon to the world;' remembering that perhaps you should just humbly accept that you've been dragged kicking and screaming to a place that many other seemingly more civilized places adopted without much disagreement a decade or more ago.

Try.

Oh, and from time to time, when trying to debate 'what might happen' if you extend freedoms to some group or another, it may be a good idea to drag your heads out of your asses and take a look around.  Your neighbours have had marriage equality for about ten years.  Instead of wondering and fanciful speculation, you could apply for a passport (thanks Patriot Act!), or you know, pick up a phone.  We're here, we mostly speak English, we're willing to help.

Handy hint - marriage equality affects nothing...except for the people who participate in it.  Good for them, so good for us.  There's a decade of experience for you.  Free.
 
2013-03-29 10:32:31 AM  

swankywanky: that chicken must be dressing all slutty and walking around the yard like a whore or something....

 [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 375x260]


Well, obviously. Which is the work of the devil. You can tell because there's another devil chicken with two heads watching, patiently waiting its turn for some devil rabbit farking right in the same picture.

/I say we kill 'em and eat 'em
 
2013-03-29 10:33:09 AM  
People decry and ridicule the Bible as full of superstition, bigotry and incredible supernaturalism

Well, I think that maybe the reason they do this is because the Bible is full of superstition, bigotry, and incredible supernaturalism.
 
2013-03-29 10:34:35 AM  

kbronsito: [0.tqn.com image 550x366]


now THAT is some funny stuff right there
 
2013-03-29 10:34:48 AM  
Or, I don't know, how about we write laws that apply the population as a whole and not just the religious/western religious? Maybe?
 
2013-03-29 10:34:49 AM  
If this is such an important issue for God, why didn't he put it on those tables he gave to Moses?
 
2013-03-29 10:35:29 AM  

Vodka Zombie: You do realize that no one in America is required to give two shiats about the Bible or anything it may or may not say, right?

Right?!?


Nice in theory, but scroll down and read the comments to Limbaugh's Jesus rant and weep as you realize that all those people high fiving him are your police, teachers, judges, elected officials, bosses and hiring managers. And then tell me that religious fanaticism is not an issue in your life.

Oh, to be fair, we have to remember that atheists and agnostics are just as intolerant, narrow-minded and bigoted. However Christians retain the righteous edge because they have a REASON to be that way, whereas atheists don't.
 
2013-03-29 10:36:51 AM  

Wellon Dowd: If this is such an important issue for God, why didn't he put it on those tables he gave to Moses?


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It was on the third tablet.
 
2013-03-29 10:37:30 AM  
www.tattooartists.org
 
2013-03-29 10:37:47 AM  
Ahh, BrownHole. The French call it "oeil de bronze", such a poetic term.
 
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