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2013-03-29 08:29:39 AM
Can't help but think Jobs would have walked over to the iCoud group, found out what the problem was and who wasn't pulling their weight and followed that up with a bunch of changes that fixed the problem.
 
2013-03-29 08:40:26 AM

whitman00: Can't help but think Jobs would have walked over to the iCoud group, found out what the problem was and who wasn't pulling their weight and followed that up with a bunch of changes that fixed the problem.


It doesn't take Jobs to pull that off.  It takes someone who is passionate at Apple for this product to walk over and do that.  These situations occur at tons of companies, either the software dies off because everyone becomes frustrated with it, or someone comes in and helps revamp it.

Never used the iCloud, is it really that bad?
 
2013-03-29 08:44:48 AM
That can't be right.  I've been told a million times by now that the iPhone is absolutely perfect and there is absolutely nothing broken, difficult or frustrating about it.
 
2013-03-29 08:48:25 AM
I was an early adopter of .Mac > MobileMe.Push email, flawless calandar syncs, iWeb & iDisk were awesome & indispensible.

iCloud can chug a fat weenis.  Useless to me

~ No iDisk (have to use Dropbox)
~ No more iWeb (all webpages deleted by Apple)
~ No more calendar syncs (all software must be upgraded to OS Lion)

But at least I still have my push email </sarcasm>
 
2013-03-29 08:53:14 AM
Yes, but it's by APPLE! It costs more and does less than the competition, which shows off the fact that I have lots of disposable income! Only poor people use other products.

/I have actually heard this.
 
2013-03-29 08:59:31 AM

moistD: whitman00: Can't help but think Jobs would have walked over to the iCoud group, found out what the problem was and who wasn't pulling their weight and followed that up with a bunch of changes that fixed the problem.

It doesn't take Jobs to pull that off.  It takes someone who is passionate at Apple for this product to walk over and do that.  These situations occur at tons of companies, either the software dies off because everyone becomes frustrated with it, or someone comes in and helps revamp it.

Never used the iCloud, is it really that bad?


It works great for a number of things.  Contact, calendar, mail syncs are pretty bulletproof.  TFA is talking about services that hit that service in a slightly different way.  I've run into the problems TFA describes before, and its a pain.

My biggest complaint about iCloud from a support perspective is that it doesn't easily allow Outlook for Mac to share its contacts and calendars with iPhone and iPad.  Simple to do from windows computers, nearly impossible from a Mac.  I know that it's a Microsoft issue, but it's a huge issue for a lot of SMB customers that would like this exact configuration.
 
2013-03-29 09:03:54 AM

unyon: moistD: whitman00: Can't help but think Jobs would have walked over to the iCoud group, found out what the problem was and who wasn't pulling their weight and followed that up with a bunch of changes that fixed the problem.

It doesn't take Jobs to pull that off.  It takes someone who is passionate at Apple for this product to walk over and do that.  These situations occur at tons of companies, either the software dies off because everyone becomes frustrated with it, or someone comes in and helps revamp it.

Never used the iCloud, is it really that bad?

It works great for a number of things.  Contact, calendar, mail syncs are pretty bulletproof.  TFA is talking about services that hit that service in a slightly different way.  I've run into the problems TFA describes before, and its a pain.

My biggest complaint about iCloud from a support perspective is that it doesn't easily allow Outlook for Mac to share its contacts and calendars with iPhone and iPad.  Simple to do from windows computers, nearly impossible from a Mac.  I know that it's a Microsoft issue, but it's a huge issue for a lot of SMB customers that would like this exact configuration.


Are you trying to sync them to Mac products on your iDevice or the Outlook app?

My wife uses Outlook on her macbook for work, and has an android phone that syncs everything nicely to the Outlook app....  never tried the Google line of prods for syncing to (if thats even possible)
 
2013-03-29 09:22:59 AM

ghare: Yes, but it's by APPLE! It costs more and does less than the competition


icloud is free.
 
2013-03-29 09:25:49 AM

moistD: Are you trying to sync them to Mac products on your iDevice or the Outlook app?

My wife uses Outlook on her macbook for work, and has an android phone that syncs everything nicely to the Outlook app....  never tried the Google line of prods for syncing to (if thats even possible)


I think the complaint, and it's one I have too, is that you can't directly sync contacts between the Outlook address book and the iCloud address book. So if I add or change a contact in Outlook, it's not going to show up in iCloud.

I forget the whole thing by using a hosted Exchange account rather than iCloud, though.

I just wish there was a way to sync contacts between hosted accounts. i.e. Gmail->iCloud->Exchange. It would be nice to have them in several places without having to export/import
 
2013-03-29 09:34:38 AM

MightyPez: moistD: Are you trying to sync them to Mac products on your iDevice or the Outlook app?

My wife uses Outlook on her macbook for work, and has an android phone that syncs everything nicely to the Outlook app....  never tried the Google line of prods for syncing to (if thats even possible)

I think the complaint, and it's one I have too, is that you can't directly sync contacts between the Outlook address book and the iCloud address book. So if I add or change a contact in Outlook, it's not going to show up in iCloud.

I forget the whole thing by using a hosted Exchange account rather than iCloud, though.

I just wish there was a way to sync contacts between hosted accounts. i.e. Gmail->iCloud->Exchange. It would be nice to have them in several places without having to export/import


an app that merges various contacts and calendars together to create one unified data set and then pushes that back to the various accounts hooked up to it?
 
2013-03-29 09:36:40 AM

moistD: an app that merges various contacts and calendars together to create one unified data set and then pushes that back to the various accounts hooked up to it?


Basically, yes. The problem is end clients such as Outlook segregate the data so it can't be done that way.
 
2013-03-29 09:51:25 AM
While they are at it they need to fix HomeSharing between my iTunes, iPad, iPhone, and AppleTV3.

Fricken thing never works 75% of the time.
 
2013-03-29 10:03:45 AM

unyon: moistD: whitman00: Can't help but think Jobs would have walked over to the iCoud group, found out what the problem was and who wasn't pulling their weight and followed that up with a bunch of changes that fixed the problem.

It doesn't take Jobs to pull that off.  It takes someone who is passionate at Apple for this product to walk over and do that.  These situations occur at tons of companies, either the software dies off because everyone becomes frustrated with it, or someone comes in and helps revamp it.

Never used the iCloud, is it really that bad?

It works great for a number of things.  Contact, calendar, mail syncs are pretty bulletproof.  TFA is talking about services that hit that service in a slightly different way.  I've run into the problems TFA describes before, and its a pain.

My biggest complaint about iCloud from a support perspective is that it doesn't easily allow Outlook for Mac to share its contacts and calendars with iPhone and iPad.  Simple to do from windows computers, nearly impossible from a Mac.  I know that it's a Microsoft issue, but it's a huge issue for a lot of SMB customers that would like this exact configuration.


Yep. This.

Contacts and calendars work great. I have a Windows 7 system at work, a Mac Mini at home, and an iPhone and, if I put an appointment in Outlook on the W7, it'll get pushed into iCloud. Even if I'm not on my own PC, I can go to the icloud.com portal, sign in, and add contacts and calendar items there as well.

Syncing photos is pretty seemless too; It'd be nice if you were able to view your photos on the website portal, but that's nitpicking, I suppose.

As for the rest, forget it. I'm still trying to get Pages on my Mac Mini to work with iCloud, and best I can guess is that I'm running OSX 10.7, which doesn't play nice with iCloud like it should.

If there was a way to use some of that space as a file container, that would make it worth my while, but Apple, of course, would never do that. Hell, even if there was a utility online or an app that you could sign into your iCloud account and look at the raw contents, that'd be pretty useful. But alas, I doubt that's ever gonna happen.
 
2013-03-29 10:34:41 AM

whitman00: Can't help but think Jobs would have walked over to the iCoud group, found out what the problem was and who wasn't pulling their weight and followed that up with a bunch of changes that fixed the problem.


I don't know.  Jobs was around for iTools, .Mac, MobileMe, and the beginning of iCloud.  He had plenty of time to get it right.  I remember when he introduced iCloud he even said, "But Steve, isn't this the company that produced MobileMe?" and promised this time they would get it right.

It's... better. But they've also been doing it for over 10 years, so it damn well better be better. I use it only for calendar and contacts right now, because the methods of syncing with Outlook or Google Apps aren't as reliable -- things get lost in translation, and I don't have as much need for the sharing features of Google Calendar at the moment.  I rely on iCloud for my appointment alarms to sync correctly, and they were getting dropped by Google.
 
kab
2013-03-29 10:44:58 AM
The only people frustrated with the 'cloud' are the folks who don't realize that its goal is essentially "Dummy Terminal: Electric Boogaloo".

Everyone else is simply avoiding it entirely.
 
2013-03-29 11:27:32 AM
I cannot get over how much that article's image looks like Dash's cutie mark.
 
2013-03-29 11:27:57 AM
I have 25GB of Skydrive and 25GB of Box, but I used less than 400MB combined
 
2013-03-29 12:45:57 PM
I've owned a lot of Macs over the years, and I have no idea why anyone would use iCloud.
 
2013-03-29 01:48:14 PM
I have tried iCloud to sync my PC running Outlook and my iphone. Sometimes it seems to work, mostly it is problematic. It has, at least twice, managed to sync my contacts with the null set, leaving me with a wiped out address book. Thank god for backups.

In short, I gave up. The solution was worse than the problem. Wired sync works just fine.
 
2013-03-29 02:53:52 PM
Ftp still works.
Someone make a sync app.
 
2013-03-29 03:23:06 PM

FlashHarry: ghare: Yes, but it's by APPLE! It costs more and does less than the competition

icloud is free.


Oh, burn! Once again, the loser who parrots anti-Apple propaganda doesn't know what the f**k he's talking about.
 
2013-03-29 04:20:55 PM
I use iCloud for music in the cloud. I have a huge collection and putting in the cloud for a nominal fee was worth it to me.

Find my iPhone is a lifesaver. Almost all the rest of it is unused or garbage in my opinion.
 
2013-03-29 04:48:53 PM

From Philly to Boston: I use iCloud for music in the cloud. I have a huge collection and putting in the cloud for a nominal fee was worth it to me.

Find my iPhone is a lifesaver. Almost all the rest of it is unused or garbage in my opinion.


That's the extent of my use. Bookmark syncing in Safari would be nice if I used Safari anywhere else (which I don't) so Chrome fills that gap.
 
2013-03-29 06:16:19 PM
After my iOS6 upgrade, it asked if I wanted to sync my contacts with iCloud. I was like "sure!", to which it replied "Ok your contacts are now deleted LOL problem?"

It's been working just fine since then I guess.
 
2013-03-29 09:08:23 PM
I'm unimpressed with my iPhone. Email pushes when it feels like it. I'm back to manually checking email. Of course, that is likely due to our moron IT at work.

I thought it would be nice to have another device with mp3s on it, but then I'd have to move my tunes to iTunes.

Apple: if it ain't broke, break it.
 
2013-03-29 09:20:40 PM

stewbert: I'm unimpressed with my iPhone. Email pushes when it feels like it. I'm back to manually checking email. Of course, that is likely due to our moron IT at work.

I thought it would be nice to have another device with mp3s on it, but then I'd have to move my tunes to iTunes.

Apple: if it ain't broke, break it.


0/10
 
2013-03-29 09:22:47 PM
Apple. Just use it biatches.
 
2013-03-29 10:42:30 PM
Well, this should be good news for JCPenney.
 
2013-03-29 11:58:12 PM

stewbert: I'm unimpressed with my iPhone. Email pushes when it feels like it. I'm back to manually checking email. Of course, that is likely due to our moron IT at work.

I thought it would be nice to have another device with mp3s on it, but then I'd have to move my tunes to iTunes.

Apple: if it ain't broke, break it.


yep. iPhone delivers mail pretty well for the most part, but is on a 5-10 minutes break more than a few times a day. BlackBerry usually beats my Outlook inbox, and works like clockwork.
 
2013-03-30 05:31:37 AM
Must use Apple Maps to get around on the cloud.
 
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