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(Mercury News)   Steve Jobs' first boss: "Very few companies would hire Steve, even today." Especially after October 5, 2011   (mercurynews.com) divider line 45
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2013-03-29 07:40:04 AM
why?  what happened then?  iPhone 5?

steve jobs is still alive and kickin.  right??  RIGHTT????
 
2013-03-29 08:20:34 AM
I don't know about that subby.  even after October 5, 2011, he's be more productive than some of the people at my office.
 
2013-03-29 08:37:57 AM
Hey, all you unemployed technological geniuses are just like Steve Jobs... who knew?
 
2013-03-29 08:45:15 AM
Yeah, it's Nolan Bushnell, founder of Chuck E Cheese.

Just something creepy there. Not making any accusations, but...
 
2013-03-29 09:02:58 AM

wildcardjack: Yeah, it's Nolan Bushnell, founder of Chuck E Cheese.

Just something creepy there. Not making any accusations, but...


Don't talk smack about the man who gave us the Atari 2600.
 
2013-03-29 09:11:14 AM
Nice headline, Subby.
 
2013-03-29 09:16:12 AM
Sometimes a broken clock becomes CEO.
 
Skr
2013-03-29 09:18:53 AM
That's why the crazy geniuses with grand ideas tend to employ their self to do what they want.
 
2013-03-29 09:36:01 AM
Bushnell? I've never met the guy, but some of the very "long time in the arcade business" people I know really don't like the guy because he uses the good will off of being related to pong to fleece people for investment money, without having any success for the last 35 years. It doesn't matter if the idea is good or not, or any promises get delivered, but being an industry legend, he gets the press and interest. Then again it could just be jealousy.

On the other hand, I have heard of his company uWink being called HoodWink on numerous occasions.
 
2013-03-29 09:36:40 AM
He was as successful as he was because he was in charge of the company from the start.  I could see most companies not hiring someone like him.  He wasn't exactly known for being a team player.
 
2013-03-29 09:44:09 AM
Could you imagine sitting across an interview table with Steve Jobs, while he's trying to play the humble role? Anyone with half a brain would know they are interviewing their future boss, and would refuse to hire the guy. "Not a good culture fit" is what they'd write, if they could stop shaking in fear long enough to type it up.
 
2013-03-29 10:00:36 AM
My new theory on meritocracy - Business doesn't want the best employees. They want competent employees for the wage they're willing to pay. They would rather shape the job description to meet the level of employee they can get. A company only needs a few stellar people at the top. The rest are role players.
And public sector jobs are different. The constitution says nothing about efficiency. It's all about equality. Government has an obligation to hire a cross-section of the population.
Meritocracy is a myth.
Jobs could have been nothing but a leader.
 
2013-03-29 10:16:11 AM

Dear Jerk: My new theory on meritocracy - Business doesn't want the best employees. They want competent employees for the wage they're willing to pay. They would rather shape the job description to meet the level of employee they can get. A company only needs a few stellar people at the top. The rest are role players.
And public sector jobs are different. The constitution says nothing about efficiency. It's all about equality. Government has an obligation to hire a cross-section of the population.
Meritocracy is a myth.
Jobs could have been nothing but a leader.


I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. This is exactly what I've seen throughout my career. A few extremely talented people at the top, with a lot of competent people to support them.
The notion that everyone is equal is quite disingenuous.
 
2013-03-29 10:29:05 AM
Brace yourselves. As the biopics start coming, everyone will be wanting a piece of the "I knew the real Steve Jobs " pie.
 
2013-03-29 10:43:41 AM

ABQGOD: Brace yourselves. As the biopics start coming, everyone will be wanting a piece of the "I knew the real Steve Jobs " pie.


My brother was cut off in traffic by Steve Jobs once.  The book comes out next month and a made-for-tv movie is already in the works with lifetime.
 
2013-03-29 10:59:05 AM

tdyak: ABQGOD: Brace yourselves. As the biopics start coming, everyone will be wanting a piece of the "I knew the real Steve Jobs " pie.

My brother was cut off in traffic by Steve Jobs once.  The book comes out next month and a made-for-tv movie is already in the works with lifetime.


Well your brother cut me off in traffic once. I have hired a writer and am shopping the screenplay as we speak.
 
2013-03-29 11:03:00 AM

WhippingBoy: I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. This is exactly what I've seen throughout my career. A few extremely talented people at the top, with a lot of competent people to support them.
The notion that everyone is equal is quite disingenuous.


And yet, this is the line of BS that the right - and much of America - has been pushing for the last 30 years. Before then , growing up to be a bank teller was something one could do and get by on. But with the shift to "rockstar individualism" positions at the top have been overvalued, and job at the bottom - like bank teller - have been deemed 'stepping stones' to those roles.

This has allowed somehow the squeezing of those bottom tier wages (after all, the computer is doing all the adding for you, right? But you still need a college degree ) to the point where new couples can't afford to buy a new home - they either live at home or rent forever ...
 
2013-03-29 11:31:40 AM
Steve Jobs was a neurotic dick, so I can see Bushnell's point.
 
2013-03-29 12:12:46 PM
I'm sure any company would hire him to their marketing department. That's the only thing Jobs did that could be considered "genius"
 
2013-03-29 12:22:30 PM
My experience has been that anyone who comes across as innovative and passionate and full of new ideas gets crushed by process and management fiefdoms.  It's kind of like being an actor in LA.  There may be lots of great ones, but the nepotism and process filters down to a manageable mediocrity unless on is crazy lucky and the gates aren't being watched.

/didn't care for Steve Jobs regardless
 
2013-03-29 12:22:56 PM
Even middle managers get Steve Jobs syndrome.  Steve Jobs wasn't a success because he was a neurotic a-hole, he was a success despite that fact.  Can't remember where I heard that

But, Bushnell was always really nice to me and my family.  Just wish I kept those 2600 demo cartridges, probably be worth something now
 
2013-03-29 12:47:28 PM
Companies these days hate success. Asshole or not, he put Apple on top.
 
2013-03-29 12:48:30 PM
So, basically, he was always an asshole.
 
2013-03-29 01:43:28 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: why?  what happened then?  iPhone 5?

steve jobs is still alive and kickin.  right??  RIGHTT????


His 3D printed clone runs operations from space. He took over the Tessier-Ashpool spindle.
 
2013-03-29 01:47:23 PM

Mad_Radhu: wildcardjack: Yeah, it's Nolan Bushnell, founder of Chuck E Cheese.

Just something creepy there. Not making any accusations, but...

Don't talk smack about the man who gave us the Atari 2600 VCS.


FIFY. It was renamed 2600 after Bushnell left.
 
2013-03-29 01:55:11 PM

Watubi: Even middle managers get Steve Jobs syndrome.  Steve Jobs wasn't a success because he was a neurotic a-hole, he was a success despite that fact.  Can't remember where I heard that

But, Bushnell was always really nice to me and my family.  Just wish I kept those 2600 demo cartridges, probably be worth something now


Jobs needed Woz as much as Woz needed Jobs to make Apple what it was. Without Jobs' marketing skills, the Apple Computer would have been little more than a hobby kit. Without Woz, Jobs would have had nothing to sell.
 
2013-03-29 03:54:17 PM

SN1987a goes boom: Steve Jobs was a neurotic dick, so I can see Bushnell's point.


You completely missed the point.
 
2013-03-29 03:58:42 PM

NeoCortex42: Watubi: Even middle managers get Steve Jobs syndrome.  Steve Jobs wasn't a success because he was a neurotic a-hole, he was a success despite that fact.  Can't remember where I heard that

But, Bushnell was always really nice to me and my family.  Just wish I kept those 2600 demo cartridges, probably be worth something now

Jobs needed Woz as much as Woz needed Jobs to make Apple what it was. Without Jobs' marketing skills, the Apple Computer would have been little more than a hobby kit. Without Woz, Jobs would have had nothing to sell.


Without Woz: No Apple II, no early success to fuel through the startup troubles, company eventually folds within a year after Jobs leaves.
Without Jobs: Nobody ever hears about Apple, cool but unpolished stuff sits in Woz's room unused by anyone except for a few sweaty geeks.  See OpenMoko, etc.
 
2013-03-29 05:48:23 PM

BafflerMeal: It's kind of like being an actor in LA.  There may be lots of great ones, but the nepotism and process filters down to a manageable mediocrity unless on is crazy lucky and the gates aren't being watched.


The more likely explanation is that most actors in LA are just mediocre (or worse) to begin with.

A cocky 19-year-old who has to be instructed to work nights because none of his coworkers can stand dealing with him may be the next Steve Jobs -- or he may just be a sociopathic asshole.
 
2013-03-29 05:50:11 PM

snowshovel: Bushnell? I've never met the guy, but some of the very "long time in the arcade business" people I know really don't like the guy because he uses the good will off of being related to pong to fleece people for investment money, without having any success for the last 35 years. It doesn't matter if the idea is good or not, or any promises get delivered, but being an industry legend, he gets the press and interest. Then again it could just be jealousy.

On the other hand, I have heard of his company uWink being called HoodWink on numerous occasions.


Anybody who invests in a Bushnell venture today based solely on things that happened in the 1970s almost deserves to have their money taken.
 
2013-03-29 06:27:42 PM
I don't think anyone ever claimed he was a model employee.
 
2013-03-29 06:32:40 PM
I have a theory on this that I've been having trouble disproving.  It's that people naturally tend towards being leaders and followers.  Leaders have a hard time being followers.  Some people are too ambitious to be anything else.  It's an interesting HR paradox.  Followers are the easiest and most tempting to hire.  They fit right into your company and get good reviews.  Companies need leaders to avoid stagnating to death, so they often end up developing followers into leaders.  Followers often make terrible leaders.  The nice thing is that natural leaders in this type of system are often forced to learn humility to get a follower job.  These experiences can be the most critical to their development especially if they learn respect for other business roles.  Employee reviews for leaders are often filled with criticisms about working well with others or not adhering to a policy they disagree with.  If they aren't fired, the ambitious leader-types often get more responsibility by either stepping forward or by not stepping back.  To me, this cycle explains this event and how he was viewed.
 
2013-03-29 06:58:21 PM
Some people are terrible leaders and done are bad followers. Most are somewhere in between. Being good/bad at one doesn't mean you'll be good/bad at the other. The view that you're either one or the other is too simplistic and doesn't hold up historically
 
2013-03-29 09:58:49 PM
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2013-03-29 11:55:44 PM

Surool: Companies these days hate success. Asshole or not, he put Apple on top.


nope companies want success.  it's just your boss doesn't want you to be more successful than him. and his boss doesn't want him to be more successful than him. all the way up. so they WANT success, but they built a system that prevents it.
 
2013-03-30 01:07:23 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Jon iz teh kewl: why?  what happened then?  iPhone 5?

steve jobs is still alive and kickin.  right??  RIGHTT????

His 3D printed clone runs operations from space. He took over the Tessier-Ashpool spindle.


Nice
 
2013-03-30 01:46:30 AM

theurge14: SN1987a goes boom: Steve Jobs was a neurotic dick, so I can see Bushnell's point.

You completely missed the point.


Which is what, exactly? Steve Jobs made for a good CEO because of his craziness, but that same quality would have made him a terrible employee for ANY company.
 
2013-03-30 03:01:09 AM
CSB:

I am a CEO of my own small company, but I've had many jobs where I was the employee.  I was a stockbroker for a few major firms, a wholesaler for another financial services company, and Sales Rep for another investment firm.  In EVERY SINGLE ONE of those jobs, I was fired.  7 for 7.

For a long time I thought the reason I kept getting fired was because I had some sort of personality disorder - I just didn't like listening to other people telling me what to do.  It turns out that that was exactly what my problem (and gift) was.  Having to listen to (incompetent) "superiors" drove me crazy, and as a consequence always led to my dismissal.  At one point, I was so desperate to conform, I even signed up for the military in the hopes that they would instill some discipline in to me.  In the end I turned them down because I couldn't even stand being told what to do for the few days I was there taking their aptitude tests.

At that point, I really began to question who I was.  What was my problem?  Why wasn't I following the same paths as all of my friends?  Shouldn't I be in Middle Management like everyone else by now?  It drove me crazy.

In time, through much trial and error, I came to an important realization:  some people are born to take directions, and some people are born to give them.  Finding (and accepting) which type of person YOU are can be a long, and painful experience - but ultimately one worth discovering.
 
2013-03-30 09:39:36 AM

SN1987a goes boom: theurge14: SN1987a goes boom: Steve Jobs was a neurotic dick, so I can see Bushnell's point.

You completely missed the point.

Which is what, exactly? Steve Jobs made for a good CEO because of his craziness, but that same quality would have made him a terrible employee for ANY company.


The point of the article that you missed was that companies sometimes make the mistake of only hiring people who fit their preconceived mold, that sometimes you have to take a chance on eccentrics.
 
2013-03-30 09:40:58 AM
And also refer to 8 Inches post above mine.  We're not all built the same.
 
2013-03-30 10:13:42 AM

Dear Jerk: My new theory on meritocracy - Business doesn't want the best employees. They want competent employees for the wage they're willing to pay. They would rather shape the job description to meet the level of employee they can get. A company only needs a few stellar people at the top. The rest are role players.


So why am I constantly turned down when I explain that I'm a Toreador burn-out archetype with an interesting fixation on exploiting the human erotic impulse for fun and profit?

/or a Nosferatu leatherface
//at least my interviews are entertaining
 
2013-03-30 12:42:41 PM

pxlboy: Quantum Apostrophe: Jon iz teh kewl: why?  what happened then?  iPhone 5?

steve jobs is still alive and kickin.  right??  RIGHTT????

His 3D printed clone runs operations from space. He took over the Tessier-Ashpool spindle.

Nice


Bah! Everyone knows that all the Tessier-Ashpool clones are vat grown. The cell cartridges are more expensive than weapons grade AIs.
 
2013-03-30 05:14:38 PM
Steve was a coont, a thief and a slave driver. He was a horrible father and a horrible husband. He was an awful person to work for or work with.

The only people who miss him are his worshipers.
 
2013-03-31 12:57:02 AM

ClockworkRingtail: Steve was a coont, a thief and a slave driver. He was a horrible father and a horrible husband. He was an awful person to work for or work with.

The only people who miss him are his worshipers.


I'm sure we'd all like to hear more about your personal interactions with him.
 
2013-04-02 09:56:46 AM

Do the needful: tdyak: ABQGOD: Brace yourselves. As the biopics start coming, everyone will be wanting a piece of the "I knew the real Steve Jobs " pie.

My brother was cut off in traffic by Steve Jobs once.  The book comes out next month and a made-for-tv movie is already in the works with lifetime.

Well your brother cut me off in traffic once. I have hired a writer and am shopping the screenplay as we speak.


Your profile is one of the best I have seen, but it results in an ABEND.

/Please do the needful.
//Do not miss that one bit.
///Slashies come in three
 
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