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2013-03-29 03:54:02 AM
This is a very serious escalation - Obama will find himself in a tricky situation: either take pre-emptive action based on a possibility that NK could have something which could damage US forces; or sit it out and deal with the consequences if it turned out he should have done something. Either way, a large (and different for each scenario) section of the public will have their own thoughts - no doubt.

Personally, I think Kim is hankering for a nukering.
 
2013-03-29 04:06:58 AM
Meh.
 
2013-03-29 04:10:08 AM
FTFA: "Mr Kim says the time has come to settle accounts with the United States"


326,000 American casualties of the Korean War agree.
 
2013-03-29 04:20:03 AM
I hope this is all just a show
 
2013-03-29 04:40:27 AM

cman: I hope this is all just a show


For the South Korean's and the average North Korean's sake.  Absolutely nobody has NK's back anymore, if they actually start a shooting war it won't last two days.
 
2013-03-29 04:41:18 AM
Hold on to your butts.
 
2013-03-29 04:42:34 AM
FTFA: Earlier, the United States warned the danger from North Korea was rising and that Washington was ready for "any eventuality" after flying two nuclear-capable B-2 stealth bombers over ally South Korea.
The US defied North Korean threats of retribution and took the rare step of announcing that the state-of-the-art jets flew from the US for the exercises.


Pyongyang pilates.
 
2013-03-29 04:44:29 AM
Mr Kim directed his rocket units on standby to strike at the United States and its Pacific bases at an overnight emergency meeting with top army commanders.

I won't be losing any sleep tonight.

And a quick scan of the news feeds shows that nobody else seems to be very worried either. Even South Korea is not unduly alarmed, it seems.
 
2013-03-29 04:44:48 AM
Does NK have any natural resources worth taking? What do we spend on SK versus how much they give us? Do we stand to profit financially?
 
2013-03-29 04:46:46 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-29 04:46:48 AM

Relatively Obscure: Meh.


I am with you on this one.
 
2013-03-29 04:48:15 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: For the South Korean's and the average North Korean's sake.  Absolutely nobody has NK's back anymore, if they actually start a shooting war it won't last two days.


Strategically NK has everything to lose by escalating this to an actual shooting war.

I am more curious about what aid or food shipments they are angling for with this round of escalations.

Remember that in the past they have gone so far as to sink ships.  In 2010 they killed 46 South Koreans when they sank the ROKS Cheonan.
 
2013-03-29 04:48:34 AM
Lil Kim so cray cray.
 
2013-03-29 04:49:20 AM
It's just tat for the tit of the American B-2 flights.

Posturing is posturing.
 
2013-03-29 04:49:22 AM
Whelp.
 
2013-03-29 04:49:38 AM
Vipers and Spirits flying together makes for good photo ops, though. Le sigh. I miss Red Flag.
 
2013-03-29 04:49:58 AM
Wake me when we start troop build ups and park carrier groups within striking range.
 
2013-03-29 04:53:50 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: cman: I hope this is all just a show

For the South Korean's and the average North Korean's sake.  Absolutely nobody has NK's back anymore, if they actually start a shooting war it won't last two days.


*sigh*
 
Skr
2013-03-29 04:56:14 AM
Movement eh?


"Okay missiles are coming out " @HansBrix
 
2013-03-29 04:56:56 AM
i47.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-29 04:58:18 AM
None of this sh*t is real.
 
2013-03-29 04:58:43 AM

paulseta: This is a very serious escalation - Obama will find himself in a tricky situation: either take pre-emptive action based on a possibility that NK could have something which could damage US forces; or sit it out and deal with the consequences if it turned out he should have done something. Either way, a large (and different for each scenario) section of the public will have their own thoughts - no doubt.

Personally, I think Kim is hankering for a nukering.


Dude, US intelligence knows more about what's going on militarily in NK than the North Koreans themselves, they have essentially no physical or legal defenses against our surveillance, and no other nation in the entire world has their back now that China's more or less told them to fark off.

If it was actually something threatening, the country would already be reduced mostly to ash and the letter of disapproval Obama would be getting over the affair wouldn't even be of the strongly-worded variety and would probably amount to a noise complaint by the Japanese.

//Also, re: "carrier groups within striking range", there are generally something like four of them in the Pacific at any given time, just basic statistics says that one is in striking distance.  They don't really need to park.  Also there are four major US Air Bases in Japan and a bunch of active units in South Korea.  We don't have to move shiat to blast the entire country to nothing.
 
2013-03-29 04:58:55 AM

robohobo: Does NK have any natural resources worth taking?


Give 'em a minute to check under their couch cushions. Wait, they don't have couches ...

/guess that's a no, then.
 
2013-03-29 04:58:59 AM

The Snow Dog: It's just tat for the tit of the American B-2 flights.

Posturing is posturing.


I suspect the order provocations happen are often reported in a fantasytic fashion.  I completely agree that the posturing goes both ways here.
 
2013-03-29 04:59:24 AM

Skr: Movement eh?

"Okay missiles are coming out " @HansBrix


This is what happens when Best Korea consumes too much Chinese fiber.
 
2013-03-29 04:59:31 AM
I am trying to imagine the meeting.
A group of stern looking senior officials surrounding a cutting edge  NK battle-map as Kim taps an area and says, "Here, Gentlemen; Indonesia.  We can spend turns building up and building up.  Late in the game we will Turtle the Capitalist Pigs!"
 
2013-03-29 05:00:04 AM
Those idiots are going to get people killed, and no good will come of it.
 
2013-03-29 05:01:33 AM
knowing it would piss off So Lonely Jr if they dropped loads miles from his door they go and drop loads miles from his door. tests can be performed in lots of places. this was unnecessary spitting in the guys eye. now he's going to want to whip his lil dick out and wave it around too.

/ look, a bear!
// let's poke it with a stick
 
2013-03-29 05:02:36 AM
This is all a ploy to get Dennis Rodman to return to Best Korea.
 
2013-03-29 05:03:43 AM

dudemanbro: Those idiots are going to get people killed, and no good will come of it.


Referring to the Obama Administration, I presume?
 
2013-03-29 05:04:17 AM

Jim_Callahan: Dude, US intelligence


We actually have that?

Who knew ...
 
2013-03-29 05:06:14 AM

robohobo: Does NK have any natural resources worth taking?


Depending on which report you read, anywhere from a trillion to six trillion dollars' worth of mineral wealth.

Let that sink in.
 
2013-03-29 05:07:12 AM

log_jammin: This is all a ploy to get Dennis Rodman to return to Best Korea.


Didn't Dennis date L'il Kim for a while? Maybe they'll get back together.
 
2013-03-29 05:07:17 AM

the8re: Referring to the Obama Administration, I presume?


Yeah, because they are totally propelling this situation. Keep your personal politics out of it; this is a tragedy waiting to happen.
 
2013-03-29 05:07:30 AM

the8re: dudemanbro: Those idiots are going to get people killed, and no good will come of it.

Referring to the Obama Administration, I presume?


That would be presumptuous.
 
2013-03-29 05:08:25 AM
SKYBIRD, this is DROPKICK with a Red-ALPHA message in two parts!
 
2013-03-29 05:09:01 AM
fta:  Despite the furious reaction, Pyongyang has been careful not to allow tensions to affect the Kaesong Industrial Complex, a joint South-North venture that provides the regime crucial with hard currency.

Go back to sleep.
 
2013-03-29 05:09:12 AM
Directly attacking the US is the best thing that could happen to NK. They'd get a whole new government from the ground up.
 
2013-03-29 05:10:01 AM

dudemanbro: the8re: Referring to the Obama Administration, I presume?

Yeah, because they are totally propelling this situation. Keep your personal politics out of it; this is a tragedy waiting to happen.


North Korea is a tragedy that already happened.  This is just bullsh*t amplified by the "newsflash" culture of controversy and uncertainty.
 
2013-03-29 05:10:02 AM

LazerFish: Directly attacking the US is the best thing that could happen to NK. They'd get a whole new government from the ground up.


not to mention several spiffy new craters and a whole slew of scrap metal to chew on.
 
2013-03-29 05:11:25 AM

paulseta: This is a very serious escalation - Obama will find himself in a tricky situation: either take pre-emptive action based on a possibility that NK could have something which could damage US forces; or sit it out and deal with the consequences if it turned out he should have done something. Either way, a large (and different for each scenario) section of the public will have their own thoughts - no doubt.

Personally, I think Kim is hankering for a nukering.


Take pre-emptive action. The longer we wait, the more difficult this war is going to be, and I don't see North Korea going away any time soon without a war. Furthermore, if we strike first we can minimize the damage to Seoul from artillery shelling by targeting North Korea's artillery bunkers before they have a chance to fire.

North Korea's not serious about an attack right now, this is just more posturing, but we're going to have to take real action at some point. For one thing, at this point allowing a country with such a horrible human rights record and history of belligerence off the hook sets an example for other countries: get nukes and the U.S. won't fight you, no matter how much you deserve it. For another, it's just the right thing to do to topple that regime, and the indoctrination and control they have over their people is strong enough that it's not going to topple any other way.
 
2013-03-29 05:11:44 AM
jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com

/really the first with this?
 
2013-03-29 05:12:55 AM

thamike: dudemanbro: the8re: Referring to the Obama Administration, I presume?

Yeah, because they are totally propelling this situation. Keep your personal politics out of it; this is a tragedy waiting to happen.

North Korea is a tragedy that already happened.  This is just bullsh*t amplified by the "newsflash" culture of controversy and uncertainty.


That is true, I just hope it doesn't escalate into a shooting war where innocent people die.
 
2013-03-29 05:15:43 AM
antron: [i47.tinypic.com image 450x212]

Wait, damn. That'll teach me to post after briefly skimming the thread.

/no it won't
 
2013-03-29 05:15:59 AM
I never understood why their military has never overthrew anyone.

You'd think some general would love to take over and be revered himself.
 
2013-03-29 05:16:14 AM
*sigh*


More wars of aggression. Keep fighting the banker's wars. They like to cull the herd.

/war is a racket
//all war
 
2013-03-29 05:16:58 AM

Todd300: *sigh*


More wars of aggression. Keep fighting the banker's wars. They like to cull the herd.

/war is a racket
//all war


war never changes.
 
2013-03-29 05:17:01 AM
Of course it's ridiculous to think they could hit us.  But an attack on Japan would bring us in to war by treaty - and such an attack would even be popular in the south since there is so much left over hatred from ww2.
 
2013-03-29 05:18:04 AM
Obama should send Michael Madsen to negotiate with the Young-un.

"Are you gonna bark all day little doggy, or are you gonna bite?"

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-29 05:18:45 AM

LazerFish: Directly attacking the US is the best thing that could happen to NK. They'd get a whole new government from the ground up.


www.sonymoviechannel.com
 
2013-03-29 05:19:20 AM

The Southern Dandy: Obama should send Michael Madsen to negotiate with the Young-un.


given how tall he is that would look hilarious
 
2013-03-29 05:19:29 AM
It is precisely because Obama is not taken seriously as a national leader that Lonely Jr. is pulling this BS.
 
2013-03-29 05:19:55 AM

log_jammin: I never understood why their military has never overthrew anyone.

You'd think some general would love to take over and be revered himself.


I think the entire country is brainwashed. A couple of days ago they had some phony baloney clip of them kicking ass in South Korea.

And the army guys are probably the ones who get fed first and all that.
 
2013-03-29 05:20:01 AM

theotherles: It is precisely because Obama is not taken seriously as a national leader that Lonely Jr. is pulling this BS.


oh wait, you're serious
 
2013-03-29 05:20:15 AM

sammyk: Wake me when we start troop build ups and park carrier groups within striking range.


dl.dropbox.com

We started moving equipment and manpower after the recent "nuke test" incident.
Its been non-stop saber rattling for the last month, with Little Kim trying to show muscle and the US playing along.
The questions are if he's going to cause more property damage and if we're going to respond with more than an angry memo.

/This guy is proving to be quite the bully but I doubt he's suicidal.
/He was careful not to break the deductible in the last artillery attack.
 
2013-03-29 05:21:13 AM

theotherles: It is precisely because Obama is not taken seriously as a national leader that Lonely Jr. is pulling this BS.


Pfft.  The norks having been playing this game since 1953, no matter who was in the White House.
 
2013-03-29 05:21:20 AM

theotherles: It is precisely because Obama is not taken seriously as a national leader that Lonely Jr. is pulling this BS.


huh?
 
2013-03-29 05:22:34 AM
Late-night military crises bring out the very best in Fark. :-)
 
2013-03-29 05:23:08 AM

The Southern Dandy: Obama should send Michael Madsen to negotiate with the Young-un.

"Are you gonna bark all day little doggy, or are you gonna bite?"

[25.media.tumblr.com image 850x1263]


See how Young-un likes walking around with only one ear.
 
2013-03-29 05:24:09 AM

KrispyKritter: knowing it would piss off So Lonely Jr if they dropped loads miles from his door they go and drop loads miles from his door. tests can be performed in lots of places. this was unnecessary spitting in the guys eye. now he's going to want to whip his lil dick out and wave it around too.

/ look, a bear!
// let's poke it with a stick


To be fair, I don't think the US military sees BK as a bear.
 
2013-03-29 05:24:40 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Late-night military crises bring out the very best in Fark. :-)


Hey, I *was* asleep...then my brain thought 'hey - lets switch into hyperdrive!  because reasons!'  i've been up since 3:30am and I couldn't get back to sleep if I tried.
 
2013-03-29 05:24:49 AM

monty666: And the army guys are probably the ones who get fed first and all that.


they always are. But there is usually some that would rather be the ruler rather than the lap dog.
 
2013-03-29 05:25:16 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Late-night military crises bring out the very best in Fark. :-)


Fark never sleeps. Kind of like rust, without the bad acid warnings on the loudspeakers.
 
2013-03-29 05:25:46 AM
img.gawkerassets.com

Anyone know if we have any airworthy F-4s? They seem of the right vintage for this sort of threat.
 
2013-03-29 05:26:15 AM

theotherles: It is precisely because Obama is not taken seriously as a national leader that Lonely Jr. is pulling this BS.


right. this is unprecedented. NK has never done this every year since the armistice.
 
2013-03-29 05:27:00 AM

Danger Avoid Death: BarkingUnicorn: Late-night military crises bring out the very best in Fark. :-)

Fark never sleeps. Kind of like rust, without the bad acid warnings on the loudspeakers.


images3.wikia.nocookie.net

the Great Eye is ever watchful.
 
2013-03-29 05:28:29 AM

Don Bigles: [jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com image 618x347]

/really the first with this?


Nope.  Look at  antron's post above.
 
2013-03-29 05:28:33 AM
North Korean leadership has no interest in dying. This is all show. Kim Jong Un needs this pose to show his people he is not afraid of the big bad capitalist yankees, and their south korean lapdogs. I don't think he was born on a mountain with rainbows and doves crying, or hit a worl record for hols in one, on his first try at golf. This bullshiat is for internal consumption.
 
2013-03-29 05:28:37 AM

WhyteRaven74: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

Anyone know if we have any airworthy F-4s? They seem of the right vintage for this sort of threat.


please. his system is at LEAST a celeron 300a. I bet his frames on QUAKE II rock.
 
2013-03-29 05:29:58 AM

digistil: KrispyKritter: knowing it would piss off So Lonely Jr if they dropped loads miles from his door they go and drop loads miles from his door. tests can be performed in lots of places. this was unnecessary spitting in the guys eye. now he's going to want to whip his lil dick out and wave it around too.

/ look, a bear!
// let's poke it with a stick

To be fair, I don't think the US military sees BK as a bear.


More like a yappy little Pomeranian.

/Dude, you made a vampire Pomeranian?!?!
 
2013-03-29 05:30:10 AM

Mixolydian Master: North Korean leadership has no interest in dying. This is all show. Kim Jong Un needs this pose to show his people he is not afraid of the big bad capitalist yankees, and their south korean lapdogs. I don't think he was born on a mountain with rainbows and doves crying, or hit a worl record for hols in one, on his first try at golf. This bullshiat is for internal consumption.


yeah, this reads like posturing.  maybe a bit more involved than most but posturing none the less.
 
2013-03-29 05:30:20 AM

log_jammin: WhyteRaven74: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

Anyone know if we have any airworthy F-4s? They seem of the right vintage for this sort of threat.

please. his system is at LEAST a celeron 300a. I bet his frames on QUAKE II rock.


They're clearly playing Missile Command.
 
2013-03-29 05:30:36 AM

Weaver95: theotherles: It is precisely because Obama is not taken seriously as a national leader that Lonely Jr. is pulling this BS.

huh?


Take it easy on him.  He's fragile.
 
2013-03-29 05:33:10 AM
His trackball is newer than mine.

/Best Korea Logitech
 
2013-03-29 05:33:46 AM

robohobo: Does NK have any natural resources worth taking? What do we spend on SK versus how much they give us? Do we stand to profit financially?


They have one of the world's largest deposits of rare earth metals. You know; the stuff that makes your smartphone and iPad actually exist. I can't believe we still aren't giving them some hard earned freedom yet.
http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2012/08/21/rare-earth-metals-north-kore as -new-trump-card/
 
2013-03-29 05:36:14 AM

thamike: Weaver95: theotherles: It is precisely because Obama is not taken seriously as a national leader that Lonely Jr. is pulling this BS.

huh?

Take it easy on him.  He's fragile.


He plays Traveler tho, so I'm prepared to forgive him for his Republican sins.  I'll bet he plays a hard core Solomani.  he seems the type.
 
2013-03-29 05:38:57 AM

log_jammin: I bet his frames on QUAKE II rock.


*golf clap*

Mixolydian Master: Kim Jong Un needs this pose to show his people


He has full control of the media, the people of North Korea have no means by which to find out what anyone thinks of him. He doesn't need to do this to look strong, all he has to do is say he's strong. That's the whole thing to propaganda.
 
2013-03-29 05:41:06 AM

WhyteRaven74: log_jammin: I bet his frames on QUAKE II rock.

*golf clap*

Mixolydian Master: Kim Jong Un needs this pose to show his people

He has full control of the media, the people of North Korea have no means by which to find out what anyone thinks of him. He doesn't need to do this to look strong, all he has to do is say he's strong. That's the whole thing to propaganda.


Well, the peasantry doesn't have access to media, but the elite class does. They are who matter in all of this bluster. I've never tried to impress my garbageman.
 
2013-03-29 05:41:30 AM
Interesting to see what the US does when a country actually does have WMDs.
 
2013-03-29 05:43:31 AM
We should tell China that if they take the ground war then we would blow up anything hinting at military.  We could then split profits of rare earth metals in thirds between China, the US and a combined Korea.
 
2013-03-29 05:45:12 AM
If Fatty DingDongs really does Full Retard, it'll be the bloodiest but shortest war ever.

Look up "Operation Paul Bunyan". The US forces brought up several armored divisions and a couple B-52 orbiting the zone just to cut down a tree in the DMZ that Best Korea was using to spy on the South.

And China would think hard about trying to help out their crazy adopted cousin this time. The US could freeze all owed payments to Beijing and the Yuan would crash overnight.
 
2013-03-29 05:46:11 AM

NephilimNexus: Interesting to see what the US does when a country actually does have WMDs.


Depends on if they are middle-eastern or east-asian.  East-asian = not a damn thing.
 
2013-03-29 05:47:39 AM

Malky: We should tell China that if they take the ground war then we would blow up anything hinting at military.  We could then split profits of rare earth metals in thirds between China, the US and a combined Korea.


nah.  if we invade, we'll pay the costs in dead soldiers, cash and equipment...then make sure that only 3 or 4 people (people, not companies) affiliated with the US reap massive profits.  maybe pay off one or two of the elites in china.  and then life will go on.  nobody will much care about veterans or the damage we caused, corporations will get richer, the elites will gain more territory, everyone else gets poorer and nothing much will change.
 
2013-03-29 05:47:44 AM

Malky: We should tell China that if they take the ground war then we would blow up anything hinting at military.  We could then split profits of rare earth metals in thirds between China, the US and a combined Korea.


Yeah. Russia and Germany already tried that with Poland. Didn't work out well for any of them.
 
2013-03-29 05:47:45 AM
I think we can all agree no matter what side of the aisle you sit, Kim Jong Un is one ridiculous looking motherfarker.
 
2013-03-29 05:49:35 AM

The WindowLicker: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: For the South Korean's and the average North Korean's sake.  Absolutely nobody has NK's back anymore, if they actually start a shooting war it won't last two days.

Strategically NK has everything to lose by escalating this to an actual shooting war.

I am more curious about what aid or food shipments they are angling for with this round of escalations.

Remember that in the past they have gone so far as to sink ships.  In 2010 they killed 46 South Koreans when they sank the ROKS Cheonan.


I've heard a lot of people say that North Korea isn't really a threat, since logic would dictate that they would only be turning their plush top-brass lives into an inferno.

But killing 46 South Koreans in an act of warfare is about as close to war as one can get. If they are really logical, why would they possibly risk everything in such a manner?

Hell even the Japanese apologized when they sunk the USS Panay, and that almost brought the two countries to war years before WWII.
 
2013-03-29 05:50:45 AM

Weaver95: thamike: Weaver95: theotherles: It is precisely because Obama is not taken seriously as a national leader that Lonely Jr. is pulling this BS.

huh?

Take it easy on him.  He's fragile.

He plays Traveler tho, so I'm prepared to forgive him for his Republican sins.  I'll bet he plays a hard core Solomani.  he seems the type.


Is that the thing with the cards, or the dice?  Or do the dudes who smell like jizzed-on socks just play it online?
 
2013-03-29 05:51:07 AM

TV's Vinnie: Look up "Operation Paul Bunyan". The US forces brought up several armored divisions and a couple B-52 orbiting the zone just to cut down a tree in the DMZ that Best Korea was using to spy on the South.


IIRC the squad that cut down the tree was either captured or killed. The b-52's and the rest of the build up was a result of that attack
 
2013-03-29 05:55:55 AM
thamike:
Is that the thing with the cards, or the dice?  Or do the dudes who smell like jizzed-on socks just play it online?

dice, maps and character sheets.  hex grid too, if you've actually got the older (and super spiffy) maps...which I do.  it's actually been around for a long time and is an extremely developed setting.  There's 'traveler', which is the main game.  Megatraveler and Traveler: New Era.  Megatraveler and New Era are somewhat controversial tho, for reasons I won't go into here.

Traveler is a tabletop RPG that can be played in any number of ways: wargame, economic simulation, role playing game, astrophysics thought experiment...space opera to semi-hard science.  you can do a lot with the setting.
 
2013-03-29 05:59:18 AM

ambassador_ahab: NephilimNexus: Interesting to see what the US does when a country actually does have WMDs.

Depends on if they are middle-eastern or east-asian.  East-asian = not a damn thing.


trialx.com

"North Korea is the country that the monkeys in the Wizard of Oz came from."

"And you don't fark with that kind of evil."
 
2013-03-29 05:59:22 AM
Time to break out Big MO.
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-29 06:01:20 AM

log_jammin: TV's Vinnie: Look up "Operation Paul Bunyan". The US forces brought up several armored divisions and a couple B-52 orbiting the zone just to cut down a tree in the DMZ that Best Korea was using to spy on the South.

IIRC the squad that cut down the tree was either captured or killed. The b-52's and the rest of the build up was a result of that attack


OPB was the follow-up after the NK batsh*ttery took place. It was the Allied forces showing Best Korea that if Uncle Sam wants that tree down, it WILL be cut down.
 
2013-03-29 06:01:59 AM
April 1st is gonna be epic...

/April fools motherfarker!
 
2013-03-29 06:03:12 AM

Weaver95: thamike:
Is that the thing with the cards, or the dice?  Or do the dudes who smell like jizzed-on socks just play it online?

dice, maps and character sheets.  hex grid too, if you've actually got the older (and super spiffy) maps...which I do.  it's actually been around for a long time and is an extremely developed setting.  There's 'traveler', which is the main game.  Megatraveler and Traveler: New Era.  Megatraveler and New Era are somewhat controversial tho, for reasons I won't go into here.

Traveler is a tabletop RPG that can be played in any number of ways: wargame, economic simulation, role playing game, astrophysics thought experiment...space opera to semi-hard science.  you can do a lot with the setting.


I never could get into those hex-grid things.
 
2013-03-29 06:06:44 AM
No economy; no infrastructure; crumbling cities; a malnourished, brainwashed populace that's 50 years behind the rest of the world and lacks the wherewithal to survive without their political and military overlords, to say nothing of the education and survival skills needed for a 21st century global economy.... Glassing the place would almost be doing them a favor.

Oh, and I was talking about North Korea, not us.
 
2013-03-29 06:07:49 AM
freedomslighthouse.net
"This business will get...you know what? I'm not too worried. If they pull any shiat, we'll probably just nuke the crap out of them and that'll be that.
 
2013-03-29 06:08:09 AM
Punk kid is gonna get his country destroyed.
 
2013-03-29 06:08:35 AM
Okay, two things. Firstly, it seems every thread about North Korea has the headline that ends with "shiat just got real", so I'm going to go ahead and assume it hasn't got real. I just hope that in 10 years time after war people don't look back through the Farkives like we did for the start of the Iraq war and laugh at those who got it terribly wrong.

Secondly, and most importantly, the Samsung Galaxy S4 is made in China right? So this won't affect that? Priorities, people!
 
2013-03-29 06:10:22 AM

Weaver95: Malky: We should tell China that if they take the ground war then we would blow up anything hinting at military.  We could then split profits of rare earth metals in thirds between China, the US and a combined Korea.

nah.  if we invade, we'll pay the costs in dead soldiers, cash and equipment...then make sure that only 3 or 4 people (people, not companies) affiliated with the US reap massive profits.  maybe pay off one or two of the elites in china.  and then life will go on.  nobody will much care about veterans or the damage we caused, corporations will get richer, the elites will gain more territory, everyone else gets poorer and nothing much will change.


Except for the North Korean civilians that survive. But their new corporate masters would be just as bad as the current regime, right?

If the North starts/continues the war, what would you suggest the response be?
 
2013-03-29 06:10:58 AM

robohobo: Does NK have any natural resources worth taking? What do we spend on SK versus how much they give us? Do we stand to profit financially?


They are blessed with vast amounts of bullsh*t
 
2013-03-29 06:12:15 AM

LazerFish: Directly attacking the US is the best thing that could happen to NK. They'd get a whole new government from the ground up.

 
Recent track records indicate that the US is really good at slapping around the "standing militaries" of other countries.  Subsequent laying of political infrastructure, not so much.  Mostly because it's easy to blow stuff up and move in under martial law...but things start getting stupid when you start asking the "conquered" what they WANT.


Maybe that's the idea, though.  Lil Kim recognizes what a mess his grandfather and father left, took a look over in Iraq, and said, "Heyyyy...Americans spent billions of dollars investing in rebuilding Iraq...I just gotta figure out how to go out like a hero.  Or fake my own death, fark it, most of the population doesn't know what I look like-they still think Gramps is in charge."
 
2013-03-29 06:12:54 AM

Mixolydian Master: They have one of the world's largest deposits of rare earth metals. You know; the stuff that makes your smartphone and iPad actually exist. I can't believe we still aren't giving them some hard earned

freedom yet.

Hippies are going to have a hard time with protest signs for that. "NO BLOOD FOR YTTERBIUM", "YOUR WAR SMELLS LIKE DYSPROSIUM", AND "I WILL NOT TRADE MY SON'S BLOOD FOR LUTETIUM" just don't have the same ring to them.
 
2013-03-29 06:17:34 AM

Todd300: *sigh*


More wars of aggression. Keep fighting the banker's wars. They like to cull the herd.

/war is a racket
//all war


War never changes..
 
2013-03-29 06:18:36 AM

Mixolydian Master: I've never tried to impress my garbageman.


You don't put fake caviar labels on your tuna fish cans to make him jealous? You don't know how much fun your missing. You should sticky-tape a BMW emblem to your Focus and really watch them turn green with envy.
 
2013-03-29 06:18:45 AM

Zenith: robohobo: Does NK have any natural resources worth taking? What do we spend on SK versus how much they give us? Do we stand to profit financially?

They are blessed with vast amounts of bullsh*t


You'd think we'd be on the same side then.
 
2013-03-29 06:19:41 AM

Ishidan: "Heyyyy...Americans spent billions of dollars investing in rebuilding Iraq


Ain't nuthin rebuilt over there.  I have good friends from Iraq.  Last time I was at their bodega, one of them was on the phone with one of his brothers (international call to Iraq.)  I was assured that there is still absolutely no infrastructure at all compared to what used to be over there.
 
2013-03-29 06:20:23 AM
Any reports from the Gulf of Tonkin?
 
2013-03-29 06:20:57 AM
But do they have matches big enough to light the fuses?
 
2013-03-29 06:22:26 AM
Israel wouldn't put up with shiat.  They've gotta have an embassy or something in Seoul they can use to claim self-defense while invading.
 
2013-03-29 06:23:24 AM

Kibbler: Any reports from the Gulf of Tonkin?


What about from the Gulf of Tonka or Strait of Mattel?
 
2013-03-29 06:23:30 AM

thamike: Weaver95: thamike:
Is that the thing with the cards, or the dice?  Or do the dudes who smell like jizzed-on socks just play it online?

dice, maps and character sheets.  hex grid too, if you've actually got the older (and super spiffy) maps...which I do.  it's actually been around for a long time and is an extremely developed setting.  There's 'traveler', which is the main game.  Megatraveler and Traveler: New Era.  Megatraveler and New Era are somewhat controversial tho, for reasons I won't go into here.

Traveler is a tabletop RPG that can be played in any number of ways: wargame, economic simulation, role playing game, astrophysics thought experiment...space opera to semi-hard science.  you can do a lot with the setting.

I never could get into those hex-grid things.


I'm gonna have to tell you about the new Wasteland game...
 
2013-03-29 06:25:37 AM

Deep Contact: Time to break out Big MO.
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 721x433]


Big Mo is gonna need some work.....may take a while.....and USS Iowa probably needs a paint job at least.

i.imgur.com
.
 
2013-03-29 06:26:31 AM

Digipr0f69: thamike: Weaver95: thamike:
Is that the thing with the cards, or the dice?  Or do the dudes who smell like jizzed-on socks just play it online?

dice, maps and character sheets.  hex grid too, if you've actually got the older (and super spiffy) maps...which I do.  it's actually been around for a long time and is an extremely developed setting.  There's 'traveler', which is the main game.  Megatraveler and Traveler: New Era.  Megatraveler and New Era are somewhat controversial tho, for reasons I won't go into here.

Traveler is a tabletop RPG that can be played in any number of ways: wargame, economic simulation, role playing game, astrophysics thought experiment...space opera to semi-hard science.  you can do a lot with the setting.

I never could get into those hex-grid things.

I'm gonna have to tell you about the new Wasteland game...


They made a game about Detroit?
 
2013-03-29 06:27:20 AM

Deep Contact: Time to break out Big MO.
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 721x433]


Museum piece, has been for over a decade.  Completely inoperable, and stupidly behind the times even if it was seaworthy.  That, and that photo is of its sister ship, the Iowa-which ALSO got the tourist-trap-lobotomy treatment.

While it's perhaps not so appealing for people who need an 18" DIAMETER penis substitute, small and agile guided missile destroyers are all the rage these days.
www.public.navy.mil
 
2013-03-29 06:29:11 AM
Im sure they start with making the Nuke insinde  that basketball player go off ?
 
2013-03-29 06:29:17 AM
This is all such bullshiat. North Korea? Vs. US? Good god, pull the other one.
 
2013-03-29 06:30:35 AM
Glad to see Hagel able to do his job.
It's not the first time he's had a chance, but still it's good to see.
 
2013-03-29 06:31:10 AM

LazerFish: Directly attacking the US is the best thing that could happen to NK. They'd get a whole new government from the ground up.


THIS

AND - US manufacturing would be shipping machinery over there like mad... John Deere, Caterpillar, and hopefully no more cannibalism... either that or the troops come back as zombies.

/Still not worth the lives lost.
//Smedley Butler was right.
 
2013-03-29 06:35:49 AM

ambassador_ahab: Ishidan: "Heyyyy...Americans spent billions of dollars investing in rebuilding Iraq

Ain't nuthin rebuilt over there.  I have good friends from Iraq.  Last time I was at their bodega, one of them was on the phone with one of his brothers (international call to Iraq.)  I was assured that there is still absolutely no infrastructure at all compared to what used to be over there.


So I wonder where all the money went?  Oh gee it didn't get to where it was supposed to be, construction projects that benefit the ordinary citizen.  What a mystery...
 
2013-03-29 06:38:03 AM

The Southern Dandy: theotherles: It is precisely because Obama is not taken seriously as a national leader that Lonely Ronery Jr. is pulling this BS.

Pfft.  The norks having been playing this game since 1953, no matter who was in the White House.


FIFY
 
2013-03-29 06:38:04 AM

Ishidan: small and agile guided missile destroyers are all the rage these days.


bah. They are just the screen for the TRUE bad asses of the ocean.

upload.wikimedia.org
Just one can level a small nation. We have ten.
 
2013-03-29 06:38:20 AM
You people are hilarious.

/boo
 
2013-03-29 06:40:14 AM

Mugato: I think we can all agree no matter what side of the aisle you sit, Kim Jong Un is one ridiculous looking motherfarker.


That's mean. I look identical to him.
 
2013-03-29 06:40:26 AM

BigBooper: Ishidan: small and agile guided missile destroyers are all the rage these days.

bah. They are just the screen for the TRUE bad asses of the ocean.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x209]
Just one can level a small nation. We have ten.


Only ten? That seems...not enough.
 
2013-03-29 06:41:18 AM
This is where we mention to China that this will disrupt some of the trade with us that they're focused their economy around.
 
2013-03-29 06:42:47 AM

kim jong-un: You people are hilarious.

/boo


Thread over. If we know what's good for us.
 
2013-03-29 06:44:11 AM

BigBooper: Ishidan: small and agile guided missile destroyers are all the rage these days.

bah. They are just the screen for the TRUE bad asses of the ocean.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x209]
Just one can level a small nation. We have ten.


Carriers = Instant win
 
2013-03-29 06:44:36 AM

robohobo: BigBooper: Ishidan: small and agile guided missile destroyers are all the rage these days.

bah. They are just the screen for the TRUE bad asses of the ocean.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x209]
Just one can level a small nation. We have ten.

Only ten? That seems...not enough.


i.usatoday.net
But one of them comes with MegaCheney, so it's all good.
 
2013-03-29 06:45:43 AM

Dracolich: This is where we mention to China that this will disrupt some of the  trade with us  U.S. debt they've gobbled up that they're focused their economy around.


FTFY
 
2013-03-29 06:46:26 AM
I'm a little despot, short and stout / Here are my missiles, here is my pout / When I want attention, hear me shout / I make the whole world live in doubt
 
2013-03-29 06:47:01 AM
The Alamo, the Main, the Lucitainia, Pearl Harbor, WTC,  wonder what "North Korea" will blow up to start WWIII?
 
2013-03-29 06:49:18 AM

uncaring_chimp: The Alamo, the Main, the Lucitainia, Pearl Harbor, WTC,  wonder what "North Korea" will blow up to start WWIII?


Hopefully themselves.
 
2013-03-29 06:49:42 AM
Blame Obama for whatever happens. Instead of being the Nobel Peace Prize winner and extending an olive branch to North Korea, he decides to provoke the situation by taunting them with stealth bombers.
 
2013-03-29 06:50:13 AM

uncaring_chimp: The Alamo, the Main, the Lucitainia, Pearl Harbor, WTC,  wonder what "North Korea" will blow up to start WWIII?


1/10 chump chops.
 
2013-03-29 06:50:48 AM
So, thanks for nothing, Dennis Rodman.
 
2013-03-29 06:51:14 AM
I won't be surprised if NK might be more mousy than originally thought.

www.opinion-maker.org
 
2013-03-29 06:51:55 AM

thamike: I never could get into those hex-grid things.


They're good if you want a decent simulation of melee or close-range combat without having to do a lot of math.  The nature of a convex tesselation also negates the need to do things like count every two diagonal steps as three steps (common when you're running a square grid) since there's no way to naturally "game the geometry" by taking 'diagonal" steps in the first place.  This is why the "game board" of ostensibly un-gridded RTS games like Starcraft and Age of Empires that you might not have noticed if you only play occasionally is usually hexes (it makes pathing calculations easier as well).

Albeit if you ever  don't have your grid board it's rather difficult to visualize the layout of your game-field since humans naturally tend to think at right angles.

//Hardcore strategy gamers use protractors, cords, and meter-sticks and don't have a grid at all.
 
2013-03-29 06:56:40 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Blame Obama for whatever happens. Instead of being the Nobel Peace Prize winner and extending an olive branch to North Korea, he decides to provoke the situation by taunting them with stealth bombers.


Lol...."This is because of Obama projecting weakness!"  "This is because of Obama provoking them!"

Less filling, tastes great, same old bs.  Whichever way the wind blows, it's Obama's fault.
 
2013-03-29 06:57:42 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Blame Obama for whatever happens. Instead of being the Nobel Peace Prize winner and extending an olive branch to North Korea, he decides to provoke the situation by taunting them with stealth bombers.


Please tell us what your peace plan is...
 
2013-03-29 06:58:36 AM
You know he's only doing this so he can be a member of Girls Generation, right?

Someone sew him a pair of sparkly short-shorts and teach him a few dance moves and the border will be open wider than Amanda Bynes backstage at a Jay-Z show.
 
2013-03-29 06:59:47 AM

uncaring_chimp: The Alamo, the Main, the Lucitainia, Pearl Harbor, WTC,  wonder what "North Korea" will blow up to start WWIII?


They'd have to sneak agents into China and have them launch missiles at us from Chinese soil. WWIII would not break out if NK attacked us. Nobody would side with them (except maybe Iran and even Iran wouldn't actively do anything). NK would be a smoking hole. (And because we wouldn't nuke them: not radioactive--except for any radioactivity caused by our guided missiles / bombs blowing up their facilities and weapons.)
 
2013-03-29 07:01:42 AM
But I thought we were supposed to fear the muslim hoards?
 
2013-03-29 07:02:51 AM
They are getting the photoshop ready.
 
2013-03-29 07:02:58 AM

ElPresidente: I'm a little despot, short and stout / Here are my missiles, here is my pout / When I want attention, hear me shout / I make the whole world live in doubt


*golf clap*
 
2013-03-29 07:04:16 AM
I have complained about Obama's drone strikes in the past. I won't complain if he sends a drone in on this guy. I promise.
 
2013-03-29 07:04:29 AM
Just f*cking kill this guy already, any of his senior brass that want to follow suit and then let these people finally have a chance at a real life. Once they're allowed to interact with the outside world, all of that brainwashing will slowly go away. Let's just stop dicking around and do it.
 
2013-03-29 07:04:50 AM
It's interesting that every one of these "reports" that I've seen in the news are based out of an "anonymous source" in South Korea, reported by Yonhap. Given the tight border, how would they know? And are there no spy satellites? Recon planes?
 
2013-03-29 07:06:07 AM
Who is telling us this? the government? Because I believe everything they say as fact, and that they would never blow smoke up peoples asses to manufacture opinions.
 
2013-03-29 07:06:51 AM
MacArthur was right shudda whudda

to late
 
2013-03-29 07:07:05 AM
So Daddy's high school kid is running the show now? I'm curious what (relax people) what's going on 4chan with it. If I made a bet, the money is on Lil Kim-bo being a dick just because, and not out of some medical issue that made him insane and put up rockets like....uh...syria or Palestine...or...fark. Pick something.

/That kid needs to go to ASU for a while and learn to party.
//make love not wa....godddammit just make something.
 
2013-03-29 07:07:34 AM
I'm not really concerned about all this, but is has made me raise an eyebrow considering I will be on the Big Island for 2 weeks starting April 24. I'll be sure to blog live during the takeover of our new NK overlords.
 
2013-03-29 07:08:17 AM

Rumplebluntskin: Who is telling us this? the government? Because I believe everything they say as fact, and that they would never blow smoke up peoples asses to manufacture opinions.


Who else would be telling us this?
 
2013-03-29 07:08:23 AM
We should carpet bomb the country with iPhones and S4s.  Establish strong signals all around the borders, flood the country with wifi.  Then broadcast a bunch of cooking shows.
 
2013-03-29 07:08:27 AM

Danger Avoid Death: FTFA: Earlier, the United States warned the danger from North Korea was rising and that Washington was ready for "any eventuality" after flying two nuclear-capable B-2 stealth bombers over ally South Korea.
The US defied North Korean threats of retribution and took the rare step of announcing that the state-of-the-art jets flew from the US for the exercises.

Pyongyang pilates.


My cuz. Good guy. A little reclusive.
 
2013-03-29 07:11:28 AM

uncaring_chimp: This is all such bullshiat. North Korea? Vs. US? Good god, pull the other one.


Agreed, though I do wonder if eventually BK will realize they need to sometimes make good on their threats. A threat is of no use if no one believes you'll follow through with it. Surely BK will figure that out.
 
2013-03-29 07:11:35 AM
Beat beat drums. Blow bugles blow.
 
2013-03-29 07:11:58 AM

Pontious Pilates: Danger Avoid Death: FTFA: Earlier, the United States warned the danger from North Korea was rising and that Washington was ready for "any eventuality" after flying two nuclear-capable B-2 stealth bombers over ally South Korea.
The US defied North Korean threats of retribution and took the rare step of announcing that the state-of-the-art jets flew from the US for the exercises.

Pyongyang pilates.

My cuz. Good guy. A little reclusive.


Where is the damn "like" button?
 
2013-03-29 07:13:41 AM

uncaring_chimp: But I thought we were supposed to fear the muslim hoards?


One sits on vast oil reserves, and has a military that is basically the equivalent of a ten year old that's been handed an AK-47. The other has no real mineral, or other wealth of any kind, and has one of the largest militaries in the world; including Nuclear weapons. Who do you think were going to mess with?
 
2013-03-29 07:14:16 AM
We just need to drop in some LuLuLemon pants and Nutella. Best Korea joins 21st century. Problem solved. Kim can work the LuLuLemons return desk if he wants.
 
2013-03-29 07:17:39 AM

digistil: uncaring_chimp: This is all such bullshiat. North Korea? Vs. US? Good god, pull the other one.

Agreed, though I do wonder if eventually BK will realize they need to sometimes make good on their threats. A threat is of no use if no one believes you'll follow through with it. Surely BK will figure that out.


BK?
graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2013-03-29 07:17:58 AM
Further proof that if you're born on that peninsula in late April to mid May, it's better to be a South Taurean than a North Taurean.
 
2013-03-29 07:18:07 AM
I don't think it's because we have a weak president
 this is just the time honored NK sabre rattlin'
They have demonstrated the ability to fight a war with the sea of japan
nothing more
When I was in Korea, we knew we were a speed bump for the mass of starving humanity
and they could be in pusan before lunch.
But that's it. Worst case scenario.
They'll never be able to send a missile anywhere important
and china would be almighty pissed.

now, if they are the one country that plays all cray-cray
shooting crap into the ocean
so we don't know that they're the only one keeping dread cthulhu from rising..
then shiat really DID get real
 
2013-03-29 07:19:24 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Just f*cking kill this guy already, any of his senior brass that want to follow suit and then let these people finally have a chance at a real life. Once they're allowed to interact with the outside world, all of that brainwashing will slowly go away. Let's just stop dicking around and do it.


Ha. Think Obama-man will grow a pair and do it? As in....react if 200k soldiers just say fark it on Lil Man's say so?  That is some damn serious loyalty if that happens. I'm not being a warmonger but you know he's getting 100 WTF? calls a day on it. Among the other shiat.
 
2013-03-29 07:20:05 AM

ambassador_ahab: Ishidan: "Heyyyy...Americans spent billions of dollars investing in rebuilding Iraq

Ain't nuthin rebuilt over there.  I have good friends from Iraq.  Last time I was at their bodega, one of them was on the phone with one of his brothers (international call to Iraq.)  I was assured that there is still absolutely no infrastructure at all compared to what used to be over there.


So which is better: representative gov't or infrastructure?
 
2013-03-29 07:21:37 AM
"Call me".
 
2013-03-29 07:22:06 AM
pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-03-29 07:22:31 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: We should carpet bomb the country with iPhones and S4s.  Establish strong signals all around the borders, flood the country with wifi.  Then broadcast a bunch of cooking shows.


Like Rachel Ray and the Food Porn G lady?  I already know how to steam goddam carrots and grill fish.

/North American people problems
//streaming and steaming video
 
2013-03-29 07:24:03 AM

fanbladesaresharp: Ha. Think Obama-man will grow a pair and do it? As in....react if 200k soldiers just say fark it on Lil Man's say so?  That is some damn serious loyalty if that happens. I'm not being a warmonger but you know he's getting 100 WTF? calls a day on it. Among the other shiat.


Well he has no problem getting involved in bullsh*t like Libya or drone strikes on Pakistan, just kill this one f*cking dude and let's be done with it. Unite that country and we can pull our bases out.
 
2013-03-29 07:27:07 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: cman: I hope this is all just a show

For the South Korean's and the average North Korean's sake.  Absolutely nobody has NK's back anymore, if they actually start a shooting war it won't last two days.


Echo, echo, echo. I've heard that before...
 
2013-03-29 07:27:23 AM
You have no chance to survive, make your time.
 
2013-03-29 07:28:25 AM
That's OK, the Community Organizer is on vacation and on top of the situation.  I wonder if this was Bush and he took as many vacations, what the media would be saying?  Insert sounds of crickets.  Anyone?
 
2013-03-29 07:29:03 AM
Bastard better not nuke DC. I'm driving through there this weekend.
 
2013-03-29 07:29:20 AM

BarkingUnicorn: LazerFish: Directly attacking the US is the best thing that could happen to NK. They'd get a whole new government from the ground up.

[www.sonymoviechannel.com image 640x360]


They have a Q bomb?
 
2013-03-29 07:29:23 AM

fanbladesaresharp: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: We should carpet bomb the country with iPhones and S4s.  Establish strong signals all around the borders, flood the country with wifi.  Then broadcast a bunch of cooking shows.

Like Rachel Ray and the Food Porn G lady?  I already know how to steam goddam carrots and grill fish.

/North American people problems
//streaming and steaming video


If you told me the cause of WWIII was Rachel Ray, I would not be shocked.
 
2013-03-29 07:30:11 AM

Tat'dGreaser: fanbladesaresharp: Ha. Think Obama-man will grow a pair and do it? As in....react if 200k soldiers just say fark it on Lil Man's say so?  That is some damn serious loyalty if that happens. I'm not being a warmonger but you know he's getting 100 WTF? calls a day on it. Among the other shiat.

Well he has no problem getting involved in bullsh*t like Libya or drone strikes on Pakistan, just kill this one f*cking dude and let's be done with it. Unite that country and we can pull our bases out.


We need our boogeymen. It's good for business.
 
2013-03-29 07:30:49 AM

ArtosRC: robohobo: Does NK have any natural resources worth taking?

Depending on which report you read, anywhere from a trillion to six trillion dollars' worth of mineral wealth.

Let that sink in.



We require more minerals.
static.ddmcdn.com
 
2013-03-29 07:31:37 AM

Nick Nostril: We need our boogeymen. It's good for business.


I wish you were wrong, but you're not
 
2013-03-29 07:31:39 AM

Dedmon: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: cman: I hope this is all just a show

For the South Korean's and the average North Korean's sake.  Absolutely nobody has NK's back anymore, if they actually start a shooting war it won't last two days.

Echo, echo, echo. I've heard that before...


Yeah, remember GWB's daddy and the 100 hours war?  It would be over faster than that, we have troops already in position instead of an ad-hoc force, and we've been planning this for thirty years.  Every single NK CnC position would disappear in the first hour.
 
2013-03-29 07:33:02 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Yeah, remember GWB's daddy and the 100 hours war?  It would be over faster than that, we have troops already in position instead of an ad-hoc force, and we've been planning this for thirty years.  Every single NK CnC position would disappear in the first hour.


Although this time we need a plan for after. We're pretty good at that kicking ass part, we just have no idea what we're doing after.
 
2013-03-29 07:34:23 AM
Everyone within 300 feet of these silos need to RUNNNNN
 
2013-03-29 07:35:43 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Although this time we need a plan for after. We're pretty good at that kicking ass part, we just have no idea what we're doing after.


Plan For After: Dust off hands, hand the occupation over to Worst Korea, bring everybody back home. Its a plan Beijing, Seoul, and Washington can all agree on.
 
2013-03-29 07:35:54 AM
If anyone hears reports of chemical refineries blowing up around Seoul, ect that is a strong indication that NK Rangers (whatever they are called) are preparing something special.

Until then it is just dicks being measured.
 
2013-03-29 07:37:10 AM
Fabulous!


 i6.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-29 07:37:24 AM
I was trying to explain this to my son last night.  And I think I came up with some pretty reasonable points...  Is goes like this:

1.  Best Korea's gov't is a dictatorship.  They keep their people completely in the dark about the reality of the world.  They use propaganda to make their people believe they are a world superpower and will crush anyone who opposes them with their incredible weaponry.
2.  They are not a world superpower, they have no such weaponry, or even the technology to develop it.  But as long as their common people believe that they do, the gov't will remain in power.
3.  If the people ever found out that they have been lied to and kept in subjugation and poverty for all this time, they would storm the castle and kill the king.
4.  The UN is NOT the United States.  But for whatever reason, the US seems to be the police force of it.  As such, countries like Iran and Best Korea are all pissed off at the US because the the sanctions levied against them, even though it's really NOT the US making these decisions.  In any case, the sanctions are there because they won't stop waving their great big nuclear weapon dicks in everyone's faces.  In other words, "Stop it with the threats of nuclear war, and the sanctions will be lifted, and your people can live normal lives as you are now allowed to rejoin the world stage."

And point #4 there seems to be the most relevant.  Best Korea could become part of the world stage.  But they are interfering with international laws.  Laws that the rest of the world seems perfectly content with.  Laws that are in place to prevent WWIII from happening any time soon.  They break those laws, the international body elected to keep them in line, imposes sanctions, which causes them to get angry and break the laws even further.

This is a cycle that will continue until the gov't is overthrown.  In the short term, it's a shame that the people in Best Korea are suffering.  But at least we don't have anything to worry about in terms of a war breaking out.
 
2013-03-29 07:37:52 AM
well - to be honest, they only have to launch a nuke over the sea of Japan (or even straight up for that matter) to create an EMP that would cover S. korea and Japan (and most of the US forces there), to bring those countries back to the 18th century. Its not like the NK's are used to electricity anyway...

Then launch another (if they still have the ability) nuke to set off another EMP once the bombers get there... then you also have to think that China has let their dog off the leash - maybe as a distraction from the Senkaku islands (would Japan/US be able to do anything after the initial EMP?) or even Taiwan... that could THEN be a spill over to distract from Syria/Iran/etc... then you've got the Indians and Pakis at it, dogs and cats... yadda yadda yadda...
 
2013-03-29 07:38:17 AM

Enemabag Jones: If anyone hears reports of chemical refineries blowing up around Seoul, ect that is a strong indication that NK Rangers (whatever they are called) are preparing something special.

Until then it is just dicks being measured.


There going to lose that war.
 
2013-03-29 07:38:35 AM
25.media.tumblr.com

Armstrong!

/The economy has been doing kinda bad, I guess a war would help us out.
 
2013-03-29 07:38:36 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Yeah, remember GWB's daddy and the 100 hours war?  It would be over faster than that, we have troops already in position instead of an ad-hoc force, and we've been planning this for thirty years.  Every single NK CnC position would disappear in the first hour.

Although this time we need a plan for after. We're pretty good at that kicking ass part, we just have no idea what we're doing after.


Unlike most places we invade, for the North Koreans, I'm not sure things could get much worse.  No electricity, no food, no hope.  Lil Kim pulling the trigger might be the best thing that could ever happen for most of them.
 
2013-03-29 07:40:11 AM
You folks in LA, DC and Austin, Texas need to hunker down...

Wait, whut?
 
2013-03-29 07:40:41 AM

log_jammin: I never understood why their military has never overthrew anyone.

You'd think some general would love to take over and be revered himself.


Anyone with ambition like that gets strapped to a pole and hit with a mortar.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles /2012/10/31/was_a_north_korean_g e neral_really_executed_by_mortar_fire
 
2013-03-29 07:41:44 AM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Plan For After: Dust off hands, hand the occupation over to Worst Korea, bring everybody back home. Its a plan Beijing, Seoul, and Washington can all agree on.


I would love to see that. Whatever happens, having South Korea do almost 100% of the work after the military action is key.

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Unlike most places we invade, for the North Koreans, I'm not sure things could get much worse.  No electricity, no food, no hope.  Lil Kim pulling the trigger might be the best thing that could ever happen for most of them.


Yea the only thing keeping these people from having a normal life is this dictatorship. Taking him and only his extreme top leaders is the only thing that will save them. They're not evil people, they're not lazy, they just need that chance to join with South Korea and get food and work.

We don't have to worry about Korea becoming some evil super power, they don't want that at all.
 
2013-03-29 07:42:54 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Yeah, remember GWB's daddy and the 100 hours war?  It would be over faster than that, we have troops already in position instead of an ad-hoc force, and we've been planning this for thirty years.  Every single NK CnC position would disappear in the first hour.

Although this time we need a plan for after. We're pretty good at that kicking ass part, we just have no idea what we're doing after.


The beautiful part about the peninsula is that we get to leave the nation building to the south. If the North starts some shiat, we kick ass and go home. Let the South Koreans deal with the nation building crap.
 
2013-03-29 07:43:04 AM

Nick Nostril: We need our boogeymen. It's good for business.


Not near as much as the N. Korea leadership needs theirs.
 
2013-03-29 07:43:56 AM
Deep Contact
Enemabag Jones: If anyone hears reports of chemical refineries blowing up around Seoul, ect that is a strong indication that NK Rangers (whatever they are called) are preparing something special.
Until then it is just dicks being measured.
There going to lose that war.


Agreed, they could create a whole bunch of troubles rolling south. Shell Seoul and no reason not to use chemical weapons really. But starting a real war is not in anybody's interest. Whereas with the dick measuring contest, assuming no misunderstandings happen, military leaders and government wins on both sides.

Cartman is proving his steel.
 
2013-03-29 07:44:42 AM

WhyteRaven74: Anyone know if we have any airworthy F-4s? They seem of the right vintage for this sort of threat.


Apparently you do ... and you use them for target practice:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/82d_Aerial_Targets_Squadron
 
2013-03-29 07:44:54 AM

Noam Chimpsky: Bastard better not nuke DC. I'm driving through there this weekend.


It's highly doubtful that he could even hit Honolulu, much less DC.
 
2013-03-29 07:44:56 AM

BigBooper: The beautiful part about the peninsula is that we get to leave the nation building to the south. If the North starts some shiat, we kick ass and go home. Let the South Koreans deal with the nation building crap.


I'm tired of this Team America sh*t, but we're just dicking around at this point and just need to end it. The hookers won't be happy but they'll get over it eventually
 
2013-03-29 07:46:28 AM
kim is obviously a troll.  if he wasn't trolling he deserves the nuclear wasteland of our planet's future
 
2013-03-29 07:46:31 AM

NobleHam: paulseta: This is a very serious escalation - Obama will find himself in a tricky situation: either take pre-emptive action based on a possibility that NK could have something which could damage US forces; or sit it out and deal with the consequences if it turned out he should have done something. Either way, a large (and different for each scenario) section of the public will have their own thoughts - no doubt.

Personally, I think Kim is hankering for a nukering.

Take pre-emptive action. The longer we wait, the more difficult this war is going to be, and I don't see North Korea going away any time soon without a war. Furthermore, if we strike first we can minimize the damage to Seoul from artillery shelling by targeting North Korea's artillery bunkers before they have a chance to fire.

North Korea's not serious about an attack right now, this is just more posturing, but we're going to have to take real action at some point. For one thing, at this point allowing a country with such a horrible human rights record and history of belligerence off the hook sets an example for other countries: get nukes and the U.S. won't fight you, no matter how much you deserve it. For another, it's just the right thing to do to topple that regime, and the indoctrination and control they have over their people is strong enough that it's not going to topple any other way.


They have a poor han rights record, quick, kill them!
 
2013-03-29 07:47:40 AM
My only worry is that little Un has a bit of a Napoleon complex and really really wants to make a name for himself in world history. I would like to see some fear put into him so he will shut the fark up like having Seal Team 6 wake him up in the middle of the night just to let him know he left the bathroom light on then disappear.
 
2013-03-29 07:53:17 AM

ItchyMcDoogle: My only worry is that little Un has a bit of a Napoleon complex and really really wants to make a name for himself in world history. I would like to see some fear put into him so he will shut the fark up like having Seal Team 6 wake him up in the middle of the night just to let him know he left the bathroom light on then disappear.


I hate to break it to you, but most of ST6 was killed in that chopper ambush some time ago...
 
2013-03-29 07:58:58 AM

BostonEMT: I hate to break it to you, but most of ST6 was killed in that chopper ambush some time ago...


Most? How many members are there? Because none of the ones that participated in the Bin Laden raid were among the 25 who dies in that crash.
 
2013-03-29 08:01:03 AM

WinoRhino: BostonEMT: I hate to break it to you, but most of ST6 was killed in that chopper ambush some time ago...

Most? How many members are there? Because none of the ones that participated in the Bin Laden raid were among the 25 who dies in that crash.


actually, most of only 1 platoon was killed - each team has roughly 75-100 SEALs.... 8 platoons... give or take - there are other SEALs not in official "teams"... roughly 3000 SEALs all around.
 
2013-03-29 08:01:21 AM
He's been playing to much StartCraft 2 and thinks that he can mobilize his troops to not get hit by the US Zerg forces
 
2013-03-29 08:01:31 AM

Mixolydian Master: North Korean leadership has no interest in dying. This is all show. Kim Jong Un needs this pose to show his people he is not afraid of the big bad capitalist yankees, and their south korean lapdogs. I don't think he was born on a mountain with rainbows and doves crying, or hit a worl record for hols in one, on his first try at golf. This bullshiat is for internal consumption.


Exactly, he knows the only real effect he can have on america on is to drive its population is insane by the rabid overwrought 24 hour news networks talking about war for the next few weeks.
 
2013-03-29 08:02:42 AM

Ishidan: Deep Contact: Time to break out Big MO.
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 721x433]

Museum piece, has been for over a decade.  Completely inoperable, and stupidly behind the times even if it was seaworthy.  That, and that photo is of its sister ship, the Iowa-which ALSO got the tourist-trap-lobotomy treatment.

While it's perhaps not so appealing for people who need an 18" DIAMETER penis substitute, small and agile guided missile destroyers are all the rage these days.
[www.public.navy.mil image 600x403]


Expendable guided missile destroyers are all the rage these days.
 
2013-03-29 08:03:09 AM

dudemanbro: the8re: Referring to the Obama Administration, I presume?

Yeah, because they are totally propelling this situation. Keep your personal politics out of it; this is a tragedy waiting to happen.


Everything is Obama's fault to these idiots. Because, see, Bush the Lesser was never President, Democrats have had a filibuster-proof majority since 1900, and Obama has been President now for 13 years, and the horrible messes he's been trying to clean up, he caused himself. Whatever.
 
2013-03-29 08:03:15 AM
Despite the furious reaction, Pyongyang has been careful not to allow tensions to affect the Kaesong Industrial Complex, a joint South-North venture that provides the regime crucial with hard currency.

Hey, I have this brilliant idea.
 
2013-03-29 08:07:02 AM

Mixolydian Master: North Korean leadership has no interest in dying. This is all show. Kim Jong Un needs this pose to show his people he is not afraid of the big bad capitalist yankees, and their south korean lapdogs. I don't think he was born on a mountain with rainbows and doves crying, or hit a worl record for hols in one, on his first try at golf. This bullshiat is for internal consumption.


It didn't really hit me until I thought on it some more, but, um.  Now that the North has "nukes" and "missiles", what happens if they get jack/squat out of their sabre-rattling? Just how much face do they stand to lose?

I can't quite shake the feeling there's a dead Archduke somewhere going 'Not this shiat again.'
 
2013-03-29 08:08:02 AM

Mixolydian Master: North Korean leadership has no interest in dying. This is all show. Kim Jong Un needs this pose to show his people he is not afraid of the big bad capitalist yankees, and their south korean lapdogs. I don't think he was born on a mountain with rainbows and doves crying, or hit a worl record for hols in one, on his first try at golf. This bullshiat is for internal consumption.


Yup.
 
2013-03-29 08:08:12 AM
Bomb Austin, TX?  Is Kim Jong Un an Aggie fan?
 
2013-03-29 08:09:24 AM
This is clearly all Bush's fault.

missmeyet?.jpg
 
2013-03-29 08:10:03 AM
Korea
Vietnam  "Never get involved in a land war in Asia"
Iraq
Afghanistan
Iraq 2.0 "Make Daddy Proud"

Korea "Ah geez not this shiat again"
 
2013-03-29 08:10:11 AM

StrikitRich: Bomb Austin, TX?  Is Kim Jong Un an Aggie fan?


tired of Alex Jones Maybe??
 
2013-03-29 08:10:53 AM
I kinda want them to do something stupid so that we can take them out and move on.  They are such an unnecessary distraction.  You don't hear AWing empty threats from Iraq anymore, now do you?  Dealing with NK is just a large waste of time and energy.
 
2013-03-29 08:16:54 AM

Don Bigles: [jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com image 618x347]

/really the first with this?


No, you're not. Pay more attention.
 
2013-03-29 08:16:57 AM
It's hard to figure the cute factor in this one. Both Obama and Kim look like ugly republicans.
 
2013-03-29 08:18:02 AM

Ishidan: digistil: uncaring_chimp: This is all such bullshiat. North Korea? Vs. US? Good god, pull the other one.

Agreed, though I do wonder if eventually BK will realize they need to sometimes make good on their threats. A threat is of no use if no one believes you'll follow through with it. Surely BK will figure that out.

BK?
[graphics8.nytimes.com image 650x434]



Wake up with the Kim!
i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2013-03-29 08:19:59 AM

cman: I hope this is all just a show


It almost certainly is.  The North Koreans have been crying "wolf" for the last 60 years.
 
2013-03-29 08:22:27 AM
If you want a war with China, go attack N. Korea.
 
2013-03-29 08:22:59 AM

Weaver95: thamike: Weaver95: theotherles: It is precisely because Obama is not taken seriously as a national leader that Lonely Jr. is pulling this BS.

huh?

Take it easy on him.  He's fragile.

He plays Traveler tho, so I'm prepared to forgive him for his Republican sins.  I'll bet he plays a hard core Solomani.  he seems the type.


Actually, I hate the Solomani.

Ditzie says Hi!
 
2013-03-29 08:24:49 AM

SlothB77: They are such an unnecessary distraction.


Yes, there is the important matter of, whatever it is the US military is doing in the desert. Obama's wife buying an expensive dress and gay marriage are also extremely important issues. A country with a very large military openly threatening to destroy the US is such a trivial matter in comparison.
 
2013-03-29 08:27:20 AM
So the US flies B2s over N Korea and nobody blinks, but NK readies missiles and WE CAN'T STAND FOR THIS SABRE RATTLING!!
 
2013-03-29 08:28:04 AM

Jim_Callahan: paulseta: This is a very serious escalation - Obama will find himself in a tricky situation: either take pre-emptive action based on a possibility that NK could have something which could damage US forces; or sit it out and deal with the consequences if it turned out he should have done something. Either way, a large (and different for each scenario) section of the public will have their own thoughts - no doubt.

Personally, I think Kim is hankering for a nukering.

Dude, US intelligence knows more about what's going on militarily in NK than the North Koreans themselves, they have essentially no physical or legal defenses against our surveillance, and no other nation in the entire world has their back now that China's more or less told them to fark off.

If it was actually something threatening, the country would already be reduced mostly to ash and the letter of disapproval Obama would be getting over the affair wouldn't even be of the strongly-worded variety and would probably amount to a noise complaint by the Japanese.

//Also, re: "carrier groups within striking range", there are generally something like four of them in the Pacific at any given time, just basic statistics says that one is in striking distance.  They don't really need to park.  Also there are four major US Air Bases in Japan and a bunch of active units in South Korea.  We don't have to move shiat to blast the entire country to nothing.


NK just happens to be in just about the worst geographical position to fight a war against the United States as is possible. So far that NK will have tremendous logistics demands that they cannot fill, while the US has global maneuverability. So far that NK currently doesn't have a chance of launching a weapon at the US mainland, while the US military can launch missiles or planes from the US mainland and hit a target the size of a cigarette pack.

I'm not sure why the Kims haven't realized, over the last few decades, that the US has only grown in relative military might, and manifold, at that. That even the pretense of fighting the US in a war is so ludicrous now that nobody even takes it all that seriously as a threat to the United States.

I mean, this isn't Iraq, where you go in, fight, and then the fight comes to you. Nobody's coming to North Korea's defense this time. This would be the most overwhelming victory in the history of warfare, if total war is declared. The USAF could carpet bomb the entire nation in a matter of days, with conventional bombs.
 
2013-03-29 08:29:07 AM

MugzyBrown: So the US flies B2s over N Korea

South Korea and nobody blinks, but NK readies missiles and WE CAN'T STAND FOR THIS SABRE RATTLING!!

Fixed that for you.  Its a significant distinction.
 
2013-03-29 08:29:44 AM
I'm not sure the Lil' Kim is crazy enough to do it.

I just don't think he's got any say at all in what's going on over there right now.
 
2013-03-29 08:31:04 AM

LavenderWolf: Jim_Callahan: paulseta: This is a very serious escalation - Obama will find himself in a tricky situation: either take pre-emptive action based on a possibility that NK could have something which could damage US forces; or sit it out and deal with the consequences if it turned out he should have done something. Either way, a large (and different for each scenario) section of the public will have their own thoughts - no doubt.

Personally, I think Kim is hankering for a nukering.

Dude, US intelligence knows more about what's going on militarily in NK than the North Koreans themselves, they have essentially no physical or legal defenses against our surveillance, and no other nation in the entire world has their back now that China's more or less told them to fark off.

If it was actually something threatening, the country would already be reduced mostly to ash and the letter of disapproval Obama would be getting over the affair wouldn't even be of the strongly-worded variety and would probably amount to a noise complaint by the Japanese.

//Also, re: "carrier groups within striking range", there are generally something like four of them in the Pacific at any given time, just basic statistics says that one is in striking distance.  They don't really need to park.  Also there are four major US Air Bases in Japan and a bunch of active units in South Korea.  We don't have to move shiat to blast the entire country to nothing.

NK just happens to be in just about the worst geographical position to fight a war against the United States as is possible. So far that NK will have tremendous logistics demands that they cannot fill, while the US has global maneuverability. So far that NK currently doesn't have a chance of launching a weapon at the US mainland, while the US military can launch missiles or planes from the US mainland and hit a target the size of a cigarette pack.

I'm not sure why the Kims haven't realized, over the last few decades, that the US has only grown in r ...


China has defeated the US in two wars.
 
2013-03-29 08:32:30 AM

MugzyBrown: So the US flies B2s over N Korea and nobody blinks, but NK readies missiles and WE CAN'T STAND FOR THIS SABRE RATTLING!!


N Korea/S Korea, How the Fark does that work?
 
2013-03-29 08:32:31 AM
To quote the inimitable Viggo Mortensen in Crimson Tide, "You don't put on a condom unless you're gonna fark!"
 
2013-03-29 08:33:07 AM

MugzyBrown: So the US flies B2s over N Korea and nobody blinks, but NK readies missiles and WE CAN'T STAND FOR THIS SABRE RATTLING!!


Hint: we're not laughing  with you.
 
2013-03-29 08:33:28 AM
The USAF could carpet bomb the entire nation in a matter of days, with conventional bombs.

But the US wouldn't do that.  You can't kill a few million people who don't even know what the hell is really going on the world because their gov't is being a prick.

I'm not going all Godwin here...  But ask the average German during WWII how they felt about being constantly bombed because their illustrious leader was being an outrageous prick.
 
2013-03-29 08:34:47 AM
Is Best Korea about to be featured on "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong?"
 
2013-03-29 08:35:57 AM
"Miss me yet?"

www.discovery.org
 
2013-03-29 08:36:12 AM
HOGWASH AS USUAL.

NK rattles the saber every time they run short of food and are about to starve, and every time we feed them and they do it again.

In a flat--out war they could probably last 20--30 days, but by then you would be looking at 22 million starving people, no infrastructure, no industry--no nothing; who wants that?

If you go to war for something, you might get it and who in his right mind would want North Korea?
 
2013-03-29 08:38:16 AM
If your nuke has a pull-start, you might be North Korean.
 
2013-03-29 08:38:32 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: if they actually start a shooting war it won't last two days.


I don't know.  Six days, maybe six weeks.  I think not six months.
 
2013-03-29 08:38:51 AM
This About That:
326,000 American casualties of the Korean War agree.

The US deployed a little over 300,000 troops total during the Korean War. They had around 35,000 casualties.

/Korean Casualties were MUCH worse
 
2013-03-29 08:41:17 AM

Voiceofreason01: This About That:
326,000 American casualties of the Korean War agree.

The US deployed a little over 300,000 troops total during the Korean War. They had around 35,000 casualties.

/Korean Casualties were MUCH worse


And the US lost, so what do you want,  congrats?
 
2013-03-29 08:41:57 AM

ghare: dudemanbro: the8re: Referring to the Obama Administration, I presume?

Yeah, because they are totally propelling this situation. Keep your personal politics out of it; this is a tragedy waiting to happen.

Everything is Obama's fault to these idiots. Because, see, Bush the Lesser was never President, Democrats have had a filibuster-proof majority since 1900, and Obama has been President now for 13 years, and the horrible messes he's been trying to clean up, he caused himself. Whatever.


Pleased to see "Bush the Lesser" making it into the lexicon. I'm rather pleased with that one.
 
2013-03-29 08:42:15 AM

durbnpoisn: But the US wouldn't do that. You can't kill a few million people who don't even know what the hell is really going on the world because their gov't is being a prick.


i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-03-29 08:43:12 AM

midigod: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: if they actually start a shooting war it won't last two days.

I don't know.  Six days, maybe six weeks.  I think not six months.


We'll be greeted as liberators.
 
2013-03-29 08:43:22 AM
I've always said I would see a nuclear weapon fired in anger in my lifetime. Turns out I maybe right.
 
2013-03-29 08:43:49 AM
Yep, I read the wrong chart.
 
2013-03-29 08:45:52 AM

durbnpoisn: I'm not going all Godwin here...  But ask the average German during WWII how they felt about being constantly bombed because their illustrious leader was being an outrageous prick.


Hitler was democratically elected, at one point in his career at least.  I get what you're saying, but there's a BIG difference.  The average NK citizen is MUCH more innocent in all of this than most Germans in WW2.
 
2013-03-29 08:48:56 AM

tonguedepressor: "Miss me yet?"

[www.discovery.org image 460x288]


No.

Do these idiots have a problem with the Sukhomlinov effect, or what?
 
2013-03-29 08:49:47 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: You folks in LA, DC and Austin, Texas need to hunker down...

Wait, whut?


No. The NK website "estimated" that one of the trajectories ended in Austin, Texas. If you look at the image, some guy's hat is blocking the end of it. The hat starts blocking somewhere in Texas. It could just as likely be ending somewhere in Georgia or Florida.  Look at the image.
 
2013-03-29 08:49:56 AM
China should invade them, you know for the lulz.
 
2013-03-29 08:50:31 AM
Hey Kim, look up...
 
2013-03-29 08:51:07 AM

wherewolf-therewolf: [pbs.twimg.com image 569x756]


Copyright 1981?
 
2013-03-29 08:51:33 AM

Publikwerks: Hey Kim, look up...


twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com
(take II)
 
2013-03-29 08:52:52 AM
HMS_Blinkin:The average NK citizen is MUCH more innocent in all of this than most Germans in WW2.

About as innocent as the 600,000 to 800,000 Cambodian civilians the US killed because Pol Pot was being a douche.

Things like that get forgotten so easily it's frightening. If the TV doesn't remind the herd frequently, it's as if they never happened.
 
2013-03-29 08:55:20 AM

paulseta: This is a very serious escalation - Obama will find himself in a tricky situation: either take pre-emptive action based on a possibility that NK could have something which could damage US forces; or sit it out and deal with the consequences if it turned out he should have done something. Either way, a large (and different for each scenario) section of the public will have their own thoughts - no doubt.

Personally, I think Kim is hankering for a nukering.


Some day the Truthers might be saying "Obama Knew"?
 
2013-03-29 08:56:32 AM
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-29 09:00:13 AM

The Snow Dog: It's just tat for the tit of the American B-2 flights.

Posturing is posturing.


That's kind of what I was thinking. At the moment, this is dick- waving from both sides. "See? Mine's bigger!" "Oh yeah? I haven't taken mine out all the way- here's a bit more!"
 
2013-03-29 09:00:24 AM

tonguedepressor: "Miss me yet?"

[www.discovery.org image 460x288]


Is that Helen Gurley Brown?
 
2013-03-29 09:01:11 AM

TommyDeuce: BarkingUnicorn: LazerFish: Directly attacking the US is the best thing that could happen to NK. They'd get a whole new government from the ground up.

[www.sonymoviechannel.com image 640x360]

They have a Q bomb?


www.theqrazysynthman.com
 
2013-03-29 09:01:14 AM
Well, at least one night, we'll be able to see North Korea in the dark.
 
2013-03-29 09:02:27 AM
If they want to attack, the ones in the back need to start walking towards the border now, because it will take them weeks to reach it on foot.
 
2013-03-29 09:02:53 AM
www.damninteresting.com

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The hands that threaten dooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmm
Two...minutes...to miiiiiiiiiiiiddddddddddniiiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhttttttttt
To kill the unborn in the woooooooommmmmmbbbbbbbb
 
2013-03-29 09:05:39 AM
Oh no, not personnel and vehicle movement.  Call me when one of their missiles crashes into the Sea of Japan again.
 
2013-03-29 09:07:34 AM
The good part of this is that maybe China will get sick and tired of backing their drunk psychotic buddy against their trading partner.
 
2013-03-29 09:08:07 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Hitler was democratically elected, at one point in his career at least.


He was never democratically elected to any post or position.  He was appointed to positions of power both through friendship with Hindenburg and through threats of violence, and once he got enough power, he steamrolled over everyone, abolishing laws that would limit his own power.

This guy is wrong about Hitler being elected; his party did receive a higher percentage of votes in the 1933 election, but Hitler himself did not.  Unfortunately, the author does not recognize the difference between a party's election-borne ability to govern and a specific individual's election to office.

These guys are correct in saying that he was not elected, and here's more info.
 
2013-03-29 09:09:09 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Absolutely nobody has NK's back anymore


This is the only thing that causes me any worry at all these days.  The only way the NK leaders will ever really act out is when they think there's no other way out.

/Not worried about this one.  They're just running off at the mouth again.  If they ever actually do launch an attack, it won't be when we've got extra forces in the area.
 
2013-03-29 09:09:38 AM

scubamage: [www.damninteresting.com image 240x240]

Two...minutes...to miiiiiiiiiiiidddddddddniiiiiiiiiiiiigggghhhhtttttt
The hands that threaten dooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmm
Two...minutes...to miiiiiiiiiiiiddddddddddniiiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhttttttttt
To kill the unborn in the woooooooommmmmmbbbbbbbb



The killer's breed or the demon's seed
The glamor, the fortune, the pain
Go to war again, blood is freedom's stain
Don't you pray for my soul anymore


ts2.mm.bing.net

Thanks, now i have to crank up some maiden
 
2013-03-29 09:12:03 AM
May you live in interesting times.
 
2013-03-29 09:13:38 AM

GameSprocket: The good part of this is that maybe China will get sick and tired of backing their drunk psychotic buddy against their trading partner.


No, they will push for things to settle. N Korea kinda has China by the balls.

1. China wants North Korea as a buffer to S Korea and the United States. That is why they will prop them up.
2. China knows that these moves are to sure up Kim Jong Un's regime. This is Kim standing up to America, getting cred with the military.
3. IfHostilities break out at all, China loses. If China backs a coup, the US will attack - just to take theopportunity and confusion to destroy the nukes. And if N Korea attacks, China loses it's buffer.

So China I bet sees this as a storm to weather - just keep it from becoming a shooting match, and China's happy.
 
2013-03-29 09:14:10 AM

WhyteRaven74: Anyone know if we have any airworthy F-4s? They seem of the right vintage for this sort of threat.


Both South Korea and Japan still operate quite a few of them.
 
2013-03-29 09:14:37 AM

MNguy: Voiceofreason01: This About That:
326,000 American casualties of the Korean War agree.

The US deployed a little over 300,000 troops total during the Korean War. They had around 35,000 casualties.

/Korean Casualties were MUCH worse

And the US lost, so what do you want,  congrats?


Korea was a tie, we lost Vietnam

/did you even read the post I was responding to?
 
2013-03-29 09:19:02 AM

Voiceofreason01: MNguy: Voiceofreason01: This About That:
326,000 American casualties of the Korean War agree.

The US deployed a little over 300,000 troops total during the Korean War. They had around 35,000 casualties.

/Korean Casualties were MUCH worse

And the US lost, so what do you want,  congrats?

Korea was a tie, we lost Vietnam

/did you even read the post I was responding to?


How was Korea a tie and Vietnam a loss?  Both of them got split.
 
2013-03-29 09:21:26 AM

Don't know how many times I have to say this, but...

THE SOUTH IS GONNA RISE AGAIN!!!

www.worldatlas.com
 
2013-03-29 09:21:35 AM
If they launch missiles at the US, they will probably splash down around Madagascar.
 
2013-03-29 09:25:29 AM

WhyteRaven74: img.gawkerassets.com


He's going to attack us with a Mellotron?

\confusion will be someone's epitaph
 
2013-03-29 09:25:44 AM

MythDragon: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x500]

Armstrong!

/The economy has been doing kinda bad, I guess a war would help us out.


Wars typically destroy economies.  The whole war builds an economy myth comes from America's economic boom following WWII.  The Great Depression of the 30's was overshadowed by the war, then America clawed it's way out in the late 40's and 50's.  The US had the only viable modern infrastructure left in the world,  it was no problem for American manufacturer's to take the lion's share of the world markets following the war.
 
2013-03-29 09:30:22 AM
Movement and heavy activity reported at North Korean missile sites. Shiat just got real

I'm starting to worry that the war hasn't even started and we're already running dangerously low on cliches to append to North Korea/WW3 headlines.
 
2013-03-29 09:30:56 AM

Joe Blowme: scubamage: [www.damninteresting.com image 240x240]

Two...minutes...to miiiiiiiiiiiidddddddddniiiiiiiiiiiiigggghhhhtttttt
The hands that threaten dooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmm
Two...minutes...to miiiiiiiiiiiiddddddddddniiiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhttttttttt
To kill the unborn in the woooooooommmmmmbbbbbbbb


The killer's breed or the demon's seed
The glamor, the fortune, the pain
Go to war again, blood is freedom's stain
Don't you pray for my soul anymore


[ts2.mm.bing.net image 300x225]

Thanks, now i have to crank up some maiden


Hells yeah!
metal.jpg!!!
 
2013-03-29 09:31:52 AM
Currently in South Korea...
dogfort.wdfiles.com

dawghousedogdaycare.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-29 09:33:08 AM

Feel_the_velvet: Movement and heavy activity reported at North Korean missile sites. Shiat just got real

I'm starting to worry that the war hasn't even started and we're already running dangerously low on cliches to append to North Korea/WW3 headlines.


Shiat has already gotten real at least 5 times already.

How much realer can shiat get? We can only wait and see.
 
2013-03-29 09:33:21 AM

chuggernaught: The US had the only viable modern infrastructure left in the world


Not only, just the most. Russia still had quite a bit, too.
 
2013-03-29 09:36:38 AM

Ishidan: While it's perhaps not so appealing for people who need an 18" DIAMETER penis substitute, small and agile guided missile destroyers are all the rage these days.


People needing an 18" diameter penis substitute will have to do some deep sea diving in the South CHina or Sibuyan seas.
 
2013-03-29 09:38:18 AM
North Korea is threatening everyone again? Must be the end of the week.

Say do they have any... rare earth metals for instance?... over there?....hmmm. LETS PRE-EMPT THE shiat OUT OF EM.
 
2013-03-29 09:39:54 AM

J. Frank Parnell: SlothB77: They are such an unnecessary distraction.

Yes, there is the important matter of, whatever it is the US military is doing in the desert. Obama's wife buying an expensive dress and gay marriage are also extremely important issues. A country with a very large military openly threatening to destroy the US is such a trivial matter in comparison.


NK has no money, no allies and its military is largely incompetent.  Its army is starving.  They do have nukes, but those nukes can't reach the US.  Most likely, they will just fall into the pacific ocean.  Those nukes can reach S Korea, though.
 
2013-03-29 09:41:54 AM
If Best Korea keeps amplifying their rhetoric, what happens when they run out of threats?  Based on my (limited) knowledge of the sabre rattling, they seem to be running out of "non-warlike" options.  I guess they could try to sink another ship or shell a contested (and largely inhabited) island, but sooner or later, they will run out of military units to reposition and feel compelled to pull a trigger.  This is the only logical conclusion that I can come up with when considering the nature of escalation.  (Abusers only scream, "Woman!  Get back in the kitchen" a limited number of times before they start reinforcing their statements with fists.)

Unfortunately, this (and the previous 2) regime is considered to be a descendant of god and the populace will swallow any propaganda whole.

Ref: Inside North Korea

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxLBywKrTf4


 I often wonder why a Nork commoner, typically a walking skeleton, doesn't question how so many of their "betters" got fat.  You would think that they would be pissed that they're reduced to eating lawn clippings, tree bark and their own kids.

http://ww w.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2269094/North-Korean-parents-e at-children-driven-mad-hunger-famine-hit-pariah-state.html

Such a strange (and gruesomely fascinating) place.
 
2013-03-29 09:44:48 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Feel_the_velvet: Movement and heavy activity reported at North Korean missile sites. Shiat just got real

I'm starting to worry that the war hasn't even started and we're already running dangerously low on cliches to append to North Korea/WW3 headlines.

Shiat has already gotten real at least 5 times already.

How much realer can shiat get? We can only wait and see.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-29 09:45:23 AM
I live in Portland, so right in Kim's crosshairs. But I would be more worried if I lived in Chahalis or Albany, considering the accuracy of his rockets.
 
2013-03-29 09:45:52 AM
Why is this not BIG news on radio and tv? Haven't seen or heard a thing other than here.
 
2013-03-29 09:46:30 AM

SlothB77: J. Frank Parnell: SlothB77: They are such an unnecessary distraction.

Yes, there is the important matter of, whatever it is the US military is doing in the desert. Obama's wife buying an expensive dress and gay marriage are also extremely important issues. A country with a very large military openly threatening to destroy the US is such a trivial matter in comparison.

NK has no money, no allies and its military is largely incompetent.  Its army is starving.  They do have nukes, but those nukes can't reach the US.  Most likely, they will just fall into the pacific ocean.  Those nukes can reach S Korea, though.


If North Korea nukes South Korea, the U.S. wouldn't have to respond.  China's response would be to send enough troops into North Korea that Dear Leader will think that China sprung a leak, resulting in North Korea becoming part of China and anyone of North Korean blood becoming as common as the dodo bird.
 
2013-03-29 09:47:00 AM

SlothB77: Those nukes can reach S Korea, though


Which would immediately endanger the lives of everyone in Kim Jong Twinkie's administration.  They're stupid, but not suicidal.  Nuking someone gains them nothing.
 
2013-03-29 09:47:50 AM

MNguy: Voiceofreason01: MNguy: Voiceofreason01: 

Korea was a tie, we lost Vietnam

/did you even read the post I was responding to?

How was Korea a tie and Vietnam a loss?  Both of them got split.


wut?  No.  Korea got split, we withdrew from Vietnam and they reunified into one nation.
 
2013-03-29 09:48:13 AM

durbnpoisn: But the US wouldn't do that. You can't kill a few million people who don't even know what the hell is really going on the world because their gov't is being a prick.


That's pretty much exactly what we do.  There is a lesson to be learned from Iraq.  If you don't want to be an innocent casualty in a war you never wanted find out what is really going in the world, especially if your government is being a prick.  Don't let your government be a prick.  I know it isn't realistic for a North Korean population that is eating each other because they are starving to death, but it is only a matter of time until the immature kid Kim does something petulant and some innocent bystander North Koreans are going to get caught in the crossfire.
 
2013-03-29 09:49:13 AM
At this point, I would say that any missile they launch should be targeted for a shootdown.  We kinda sorta have the technology for that.
 
2013-03-29 09:49:15 AM
StanleyPuff:  (and largely un-inhabited) island, )

FTFM
I've had caffein already, therefore I have no excuse.
(does a hangover count?)
 
2013-03-29 09:49:44 AM

SlothB77: NK has no money, no allies and its military is largely incompetent. Its army is starving. They do have nukes, but those nukes can't reach the US. Most likely, they will just fall into the pacific ocean. Those nukes can reach S Korea, though.


Underestimating your enemy never goes wrong, ever.
 
2013-03-29 09:51:35 AM

nekom: At this point, I would say that any missile they launch should be targeted for a shootdown.  We kinda sorta have the technology for that.


Actually, their telemetry and ability to track a missile are so poor that if a missile "just exploded" they would never know the cause unless we start bragging about it on Facebook.
 
2013-03-29 09:56:09 AM

Great Janitor: SlothB77: J. Frank Parnell: SlothB77: They are such an unnecessary distraction.

Yes, there is the important matter of, whatever it is the US military is doing in the desert. Obama's wife buying an expensive dress and gay marriage are also extremely important issues. A country with a very large military openly threatening to destroy the US is such a trivial matter in comparison.

NK has no money, no allies and its military is largely incompetent.  Its army is starving.  They do have nukes, but those nukes can't reach the US.  Most likely, they will just fall into the pacific ocean.  Those nukes can reach S Korea, though.

If North Korea nukes South Korea, the U.S. wouldn't have to respond.  China's response would be to send enough troops into North Korea that Dear Leader will think that China sprung a leak, resulting in North Korea becoming part of China and anyone of North Korean blood becoming as common as the dodo bird.


He's not that stupid, right?
 
2013-03-29 09:56:24 AM
I take back what I said upthread. MSN finally got around to reporting it.
 
2013-03-29 09:57:12 AM

WTFDYW: Why is this not BIG news on radio and tv? Haven't seen or heard a thing other than here.


Well, someone is paying attention.
LINK

/I hear the Mariana Trench is at defcon 2
 
2013-03-29 09:57:52 AM

MugzyBrown: So the US flies B2s over N Korea and nobody blinks, but NK readies missiles and WE CAN'T STAND FOR THIS SABRE RATTLING!!


South Korea, idiot.
 
2013-03-29 09:58:34 AM

MNguy: Voiceofreason01: MNguy: Voiceofreason01: This About That:
326,000 American casualties of the Korean War agree.

The US deployed a little over 300,000 troops total during the Korean War. They had around 35,000 casualties.

/Korean Casualties were MUCH worse

And the US lost, so what do you want,  congrats?

Korea was a tie, we lost Vietnam

/did you even read the post I was responding to?

How was Korea a tie and Vietnam a loss?  Both of them got split.


Ahh yes, that's why there are the separate countries of north vietnam and south vietnam.
 
2013-03-29 10:01:55 AM
Ok, I got to thinking about this last night and have a question for the Fark(tm) Political Pundits.

How likely is it that Junior might be getting paid by some OTHER world sand-kicker to make a lot of noise in an attempt to redirect some of our attention and resources off of them? (eyes Iran). I could see how it might be worth a couple million or so to Ahmadinnajacket if it pulled a carrier group or two out of his backyard.

/serious question
//not a political surgeon
 
2013-03-29 10:03:25 AM
"He's so ronry! Soo very ronry!"
Team America! fark Yeah!

Enough of this sabre-rattling scum. I'll sum it up in two words: preemptive strike. Bring on the boom!
 
2013-03-29 10:06:43 AM

J. Frank Parnell: About as innocent as the 600,000 to 800,000 Cambodian civilians the US killed because Pol Pot was being a douche.


Considering Pot turned around and killed everybody left, I'm not sure how you go in and authenticate who died when.
 
2013-03-29 10:08:08 AM
Until North Korea builds one of these, I think they should keep their mouths shut

t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-29 10:08:54 AM
I say bring on the Nuclear Holocaust. Our best years are behind us in the US. We might as well take the rest of the World with us. Our current president is destroying this country from within. Let's just finish the job. I'm ready to go. Check please.
 
2013-03-29 10:09:53 AM

Bisu: Dancin_In_Anson: You folks in LA, DC and Austin, Texas need to hunker down...

Wait, whut?

No. The NK website "estimated" that one of the trajectories ended in Austin, Texas. If you look at the image, some guy's hat is blocking the end of it. The hat starts blocking somewhere in Texas. It could just as likely be ending somewhere in Georgia or Florida.  Look at the image.


The NK must not be planning to use ballistic missiles, because those "trajectories" do not follow a great circle path. Maybe they have cruise missiles that like to plot a curvy course to match a Mercator projection of a line.

They're more advanced than I thought.
 
2013-03-29 10:10:43 AM
Bomb Austin, Texas???  But all of the good BBQ!  And I have friends and family there too.  But the BBQ!  We must save the BBQ!   And the friends and family as well, of course

artofbackpacking.com
 
2013-03-29 10:11:08 AM
While it's perhaps not so appealing for people who need an 18" DIAMETER penis substitute, small and agile guided missile destroyers are all the rage these days.

While I do agree they have impressive fire power, there is something about the visual of those old battle ship cannons firing.
 
2013-03-29 10:14:51 AM

GypsyJoker: WhyteRaven74: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

He's going to attack us with a Mellotron?

\confusion will be someone's epitaph


That's obviously a Vectrex.

/Eek! Spike!
//Molly!
 
2013-03-29 10:16:21 AM

MNguy: China has defeated the US in two wars.


We've only fought against China in one war. Vietnam was backed by Russia, not China. It was Cambodia that was backed by China. (Which is why Vietnam and China subsequently fought a war against each other)
 
2013-03-29 10:17:53 AM

SlothB77: NK has no money, no allies and its military is largely incompetent. Its army is starving. They do have nukes, but those nukes can't reach the US. Most likely, they will just fall into the pacific ocean. Those nukes can reach S Korea, though.


That sounds like a recipe for instability.
 
2013-03-29 10:18:31 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: You folks in LA, DC and Austin, Texas need to hunker down...

Wait, whut?


Goddammit.  I told them NOT to rescind his SXSW badge this year.

/he got a special badge
//prutonium -- even better than the gold and platinum badges
 
2013-03-29 10:20:06 AM
img.gawkerassets.com

This shall be a day for all to remember! Let us bravely charge the fields of Azeroth!
 
2013-03-29 10:21:06 AM
North Korea is a pure example of what would happen if a religious cult ever took over a country. It's actually a bit of a sociological PhD student dream if they could possibly study the society in depth.

THAT SAID... since it is a cult-lke organization, it is entirely possible that Kim Jong-Un and his predecessors are/were politically incapable of extending any serious olive branch to the U.S. or South Korea simply because the military would then assassinate them in their sleep and replace them. Cults exist because a population has had a significant portion of it's critical though suspended. You can't simply re-implant those thinking skills and get everyone on a different thought process overnight. Countries/organizations like best korea change course much like a runaway freight-train where the conductor can do only limited things to put his train on the right track, and if he tries to do too much he'll kill himself trying. Contrast this with any democracy, which while appearing chaotic and directionless, at least has 4-wheel drive and no tracks.

The Dear Leaders are just as likely to be prisoners of North Korea as anyone else there.
 
2013-03-29 10:24:08 AM
I blame Dennis Rodman.
 
2013-03-29 10:25:55 AM

scubamage: Currently in South Korea...


"Boggies"?
 
2013-03-29 10:26:50 AM

Big Man On Campus: North Korea is a pure example of what would happen if a religious cult ever took over a country. It's actually a bit of a sociological PhD student dream if they could possibly study the society in depth.

THAT SAID... since it is a cult-lke organization, it is entirely possible that Kim Jong-Un and his predecessors are/were politically incapable of extending any serious olive branch to the U.S. or South Korea simply because the military would then assassinate them in their sleep and replace them. Cults exist because a population has had a significant portion of it's critical though suspended. You can't simply re-implant those thinking skills and get everyone on a different thought process overnight. Countries/organizations like best korea change course much like a runaway freight-train where the conductor can do only limited things to put his train on the right track, and if he tries to do too much he'll kill himself trying. Contrast this with any democracy, which while appearing chaotic and directionless, at least has 4-wheel drive and no tracks.

The Dear Leaders are just as likely to be prisoners of North Korea as anyone else there.


No chance of that happening with this President. Socialists reject religion.
 
2013-03-29 10:31:26 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com

The North Koreans have threatened a launch against our country and are fueling their missiles.

/this will end very badly.
 
2013-03-29 10:33:00 AM

pjc51: WhyteRaven74: Anyone know if we have any airworthy F-4s? They seem of the right vintage for this sort of threat.

Apparently you do ... and you use them for target practice:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/82d_Aerial_Targets_Squadron


I was hoping to see this.
 
2013-03-29 10:34:51 AM
If Junior farks around too much, the only movement he's going to have is the bowel movement in his pants. This aint Xbox lLive.
 
2013-03-29 10:36:29 AM

GGracie: Bomb Austin, Texas???  But all of the good BBQ!  And I have friends and family there too.  But the BBQ!  We must save the BBQ!   And the friends and family as well, of course

[artofbackpacking.com image 640x426]


Uh, Salt Lick aint BBQ.  You should get out more.
 
2013-03-29 10:36:43 AM

camaroash: pjc51: WhyteRaven74: Anyone know if we have any airworthy F-4s? They seem of the right vintage for this sort of threat.

Apparently you do ... and you use them for target practice:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/82d_Aerial_Targets_Squadron

I was hoping to see this.


Can you guys explain what they do exactly? The wikipedia article keeps fapping on about the equipment that they use, with one sentence stating that they are aerial targets. They never actually explain what that means. Are they like the wild weasles?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-29 10:37:07 AM

way south: sammyk: Wake me when we start troop build ups and park carrier groups within striking range.

[dl.dropbox.com image 616x359]

We started moving equipment and manpower after the recent "nuke test" incident.
Its been non-stop saber rattling for the last month, with Little Kim trying to show muscle and the US playing along.
The questions are if he's going to cause more property damage and if we're going to respond with more than an angry memo.

/This guy is proving to be quite the bully but I doubt he's suicidal.



What a terrible dream.  I'm parched!
 
2013-03-29 10:39:27 AM

digistil: KrispyKritter: knowing it would piss off So Lonely Jr if they dropped loads miles from his door they go and drop loads miles from his door. tests can be performed in lots of places. this was unnecessary spitting in the guys eye. now he's going to want to whip his lil dick out and wave it around too.

/ look, a bear!
// let's poke it with a stick

To be fair, I don't think the US military sees BK as a bear.


No, definitely a twink.
 
2013-03-29 10:42:02 AM

Danger Avoid Death: digistil: KrispyKritter: knowing it would piss off So Lonely Jr if they dropped loads miles from his door they go and drop loads miles from his door. tests can be performed in lots of places. this was unnecessary spitting in the guys eye. now he's going to want to whip his lil dick out and wave it around too.

/ look, a bear!
// let's poke it with a stick

To be fair, I don't think the US military sees BK as a bear.

More like a yappy little Pomeranian.

/Dude, you made a vampire Pomeranian?!?!



www.nolasarina.com
But he's so cute!
 
2013-03-29 10:42:56 AM

Cer10Death: I say bring on the Nuclear Holocaust. Our best years are behind us in the US. We might as well take the rest of the World with us. Our current president is destroying this country from within. Let's just finish the job. I'm ready to go. Check please.


I'm sick and farking tired of people like you. You don't even know what you're saying or the evil you're perpetrating for the generations to follow. It is thanks to assholes like you that we are where we are in our dialogue today.

For the LAST FARKING TIME, it's CHEQUE, not CHECK.
 
2013-03-29 10:45:59 AM

LazerFish: Directly attacking the US is the best thing that could happen to NK. They'd get a whole new government from the ground up.


Seriously, ask Japan on that one.
 
2013-03-29 10:48:29 AM

NobleHam: paulseta: This is a very serious escalation - Obama will find himself in a tricky situation: either take pre-emptive action based on a possibility that NK could have something which could damage US forces; or sit it out and deal with the consequences if it turned out he should have done something. Either way, a large (and different for each scenario) section of the public will have their own thoughts - no doubt.

Personally, I think Kim is hankering for a nukering.

Take pre-emptive action. The longer we wait, the more difficult this war is going to be, and I don't see North Korea going away any time soon without a war. Furthermore, if we strike first we can minimize the damage to Seoul from artillery shelling by targeting North Korea's artillery bunkers before they have a chance to fire.

North Korea's not serious about an attack right now, this is just more posturing, but we're going to have to take real action at some point. For one thing, at this point allowing a country with such a horrible human rights record and history of belligerence off the hook sets an example for other countries: get nukes and the U.S. won't fight you, no matter how much you deserve it. For another, it's just the right thing to do to topple that regime, and the indoctrination and control they have over their people is strong enough that it's not going to topple any other way.


Pity Truman didn't have the sack to finish the "conflict".  How many people have starved because of Truman?  How many more will die because he allowed this mess to happen?  How hard would it really have been for him to nuke the Chinese out of North Korea?  How many less people would be dead (or will die) had that useless dolt prosecuted Korea as an actual war?
 
2013-03-29 10:49:48 AM

Litterbox: GGracie: Bomb Austin, Texas???  But all of the good BBQ!  And I have friends and family there too.  But the BBQ!  We must save the BBQ!   And the friends and family as well, of course

[artofbackpacking.com image 640x426]

Uh, Salt Lick aint BBQ.  You should get out more.


I liked Salt Lick, and Rudys and Smokey Moes, and a lot of places.  As far as getting out... I'm in Seattle now.  All the BBQ up here is soaked in liquid smoke and dry as a bone.  But I brought my own smoker with me, so I treat myself once in a while when I can actually find a brisket that still has some fat on it.  They shave the fat off the meat up here for some reason.  Ruins the meat.
 
2013-03-29 10:53:17 AM

janzee: "Call me".


maybe...
 
2013-03-29 10:54:33 AM
Well as long as they hit Kaliforniastan first, then it wouldn't be a big loss.
 
2013-03-29 11:04:05 AM
Wow, I havent seen this much optimism since the start of the Iraq war.

You will be able to rely on CIA to gauge whether the Chinese will intervene this time. I am sure the troops will be home by Christmas. Also your Eighth army should be able to break their old record.
 
2013-03-29 11:07:41 AM
North Korea:

www.macarthurschool.org

Everyone Else:

www.scottandtemphotography.com
 
2013-03-29 11:08:35 AM

scubamage: Can you guys explain what they do exactly?


They get blown up.

i4.ytimg.com

www.f-16.net

Their mission is to provide targets for weapons trials and training.  The aircraft are remotely controlled for the live fire exercises but some still have the ability to be flown by a pilot when they're employed in non-terminal exercises.
 
2013-03-29 11:09:14 AM

GGracie: Litterbox: GGracie: Bomb Austin, Texas???  But all of the good BBQ!  And I have friends and family there too.  But the BBQ!  We must save the BBQ!   And the friends and family as well, of course

[artofbackpacking.com image 640x426]

Uh, Salt Lick aint BBQ.  You should get out more.

I liked Salt Lick, and Rudys and Smokey Moes, and a lot of places.  As far as getting out... I'm in Seattle now.  All the BBQ up here is soaked in liquid smoke and dry as a bone.  But I brought my own smoker with me, so I treat myself once in a while when I can actually find a brisket that still has some fat on it.  They shave the fat off the meat up here for some reason.  Ruins the meat.


Next time you're down this way, head over to Lockhart, Luling or Gonzales and you will get the real deal (Blacks, City Market etc.)  Salt Lick is aimed at tourists hoping to see Sandra Bullock (sorry Im being so critical...had a bad experience at SL years ago and its stuck with me).  You're lucky you're brave enough to try doing your own BBQ...hate to admit it scares the hell out of me and I would hate to ruin a great hunk of meat.

\Blacks forever!
 
2013-03-29 11:10:53 AM

Skyd1v: Ok, I got to thinking about this last night and have a question for the Fark(tm) Political Pundits.

How likely is it that Junior might be getting paid by some OTHER world sand-kicker to make a lot of noise in an attempt to redirect some of our attention and resources off of them? (eyes Iran). I could see how it might be worth a couple million or so to Ahmadinnajacket if it pulled a carrier group or two out of his backyard.

/serious question
//not a political surgeon


LOL DINNAJACKET YOU SHOULD WRITE FOR JOHN STEWART MAD PROPS YO APPRECIATE TEH O.C.
 
2013-03-29 11:12:36 AM

log_jammin: I never understood why their military has never overthrew anyone.

You'd think some general would love to take over and be revered himself.


NK is essentially a feudal society. Each of the generals has their own military district and literally owns everything in that district (including the people). Each general is scheming against the other generals, doesn't trust the other generals, and Little Kim stays in power by playing them all off against each other.
 
2013-03-29 11:15:31 AM

GGracie: Bomb Austin, Texas???  But all of the good BBQ!  And I have friends and family there too.  But the BBQ!  We must save the BBQ!   And the friends and family as well, of course

[artofbackpacking.com image 640x426]


As much as joke about Texas, Austin is probably the one part that is worth saving.
 
2013-03-29 11:16:46 AM

Evil Mackerel: GGracie: Bomb Austin, Texas???  But all of the good BBQ!  And I have friends and family there too.  But the BBQ!  We must save the BBQ!   And the friends and family as well, of course

[artofbackpacking.com image 640x426]

As much as I joke about Texas, Austin is probably the one part that is worth saving.


FTFM
 
2013-03-29 11:17:35 AM
They must have a think tank that sits around and thinks of new things that they can threaten to do. "cut off hotline!" wait, already did that. "Threaten to nuke them" Hmmm. already did that too. "Cut off their cell phones!" oh, did that too. "load missile on the launcher!" oh, did that.. "make video!" did it. What's left? They are going to have to get creative.
 
2013-03-29 11:22:38 AM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-03-29 11:23:05 AM

Cer10Death: I say bring on the Nuclear Holocaust. Our best years are behind us in the US. We might as well take the rest of the World with us. Our current president is destroying this country from within. Let's just finish the job. I'm ready to go. Check please.


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2013-03-29 11:23:31 AM

starsrift: Cer10Death: I say bring on the Nuclear Holocaust. Our best years are behind us in the US. We might as well take the rest of the World with us. Our current president is destroying this country from within. Let's just finish the job. I'm ready to go. Check please.

I'm sick and farking tired of people like you. You don't even know what you're saying or the evil you're perpetrating for the generations to follow. It is thanks to assholes like you that we are where we are in our dialogue today.

For the LAST FARKING TIME, it's CHEQUE

CZECH, not CHECK.

FTFY

/pet peave
 
2013-03-29 11:24:00 AM
Lil Kim has seen the outside world. He knows he is just a figure head at the top of a massive pyramid scheme of shiat.
Let's say  you were lil Kim an d you wanted out and you wanted to take the NK people out from under it too.
How do you do that?
Who is gonna be opposed to that?
How does he get out of it alive?

The army/elite class aren't gonna like it one bit. too afraid of peasant reprisal. They wants things like they are.
If you wanna change NK you are gonna have to somehow beat the military.
Why not get them in a fight they can't win?
After the military gets the shiat kicked out of them and the NK brainwashing about their superiority is tarnished just a bit the people might be better able to see they have been living a lie. They might be more receptive to change. If their pride is hurt and they are a bit less amped up they might be willing to see that they have been wrong. If you were in charge and wanted change, what better position to be in to get er done?

Meh, it's a theory.
 
2013-03-29 11:27:37 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Austin


I'm ok with this, I think we've earned it.

/its a mercy killing.
 
2013-03-29 11:27:59 AM

Litterbox: Next time you're down this way, head over to Lockhart, Luling or Gonzales and you will get the real deal (Blacks, City Market etc.) Salt Lick is aimed at tourists hoping to see Sandra Bullock (sorry Im being so critical...had a bad experience at SL years ago and its stuck with me). You're lucky you're brave enough to try doing your own BBQ...hate to admit it scares the hell out of me and I would hate to ruin a great hunk of meat.

\Blacks forever!


Thats Racist!
 
2013-03-29 11:30:38 AM
Less filling, tastes great, same old bs.  Whichever way the wind blows, it's Obama's the current president's fault.

FTFY
 
2013-03-29 11:32:36 AM
two words. GLASS. PARKING. LOT.
 
2013-03-29 11:34:30 AM
I sure wish NK would just go straight to the "Invade The USA" plan.  That one I might actually get some sick pleasure out of watching.

"Look more Cuban refugees on a homemade raft!"  *pulls up binoculars*  "No!  Wait!  It's the North Korean navy!"

Nukes?  Not so much fun.  And I would sure hope we wouldn't even if they tried. :(
 
2013-03-29 11:34:47 AM

hiiamchris: two words. GLASS. PARKING. LOT.


That's three words.
 
2013-03-29 11:36:45 AM

hiiamchris: two words. GLASS. PARKING. LOT.


Public school education?
 
2013-03-29 11:37:12 AM
As someone who will admit joy thinking about the notion of the USA kicking the crap out of 'best Korea', I still am compelled to ask: Did we even try talking to these people first?
 
2013-03-29 11:40:52 AM

midigod: HMS_Blinkin: Hitler was democratically elected, at one point in his career at least.

He was never democratically elected to any post or position.  He was appointed to positions of power both through friendship with Hindenburg and through threats of violence, and once he got enough power, he steamrolled over everyone, abolishing laws that would limit his own power.


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2013-03-29 11:44:18 AM

Virtuoso80: As someone who will admit joy thinking about the notion of the USA kicking the crap out of 'best Korea', I still am compelled to ask: Did we even try talking to these people first?


We sent Ambassador Rodman.  What more do you want?!
 
2013-03-29 11:46:02 AM

Virtuoso80: As someone who will admit joy thinking about the notion of the USA kicking the crap out of 'best Korea', I still am compelled to ask: Did we even try talking to these people first?


Yes, I did. They responded with what I believe to be unintelligible gibberish.
 
2013-03-29 11:48:14 AM

Litterbox: GGracie: Litterbox: GGracie: Bomb Austin, Texas???  But all of the good BBQ!  And I have friends and family there too.  But the BBQ!  We must save the BBQ!   And the friends and family as well, of course

[artofbackpacking.com image 640x426]

Uh, Salt Lick aint BBQ.  You should get out more.

I liked Salt Lick, and Rudys and Smokey Moes, and a lot of places.  As far as getting out... I'm in Seattle now.  All the BBQ up here is soaked in liquid smoke and dry as a bone.  But I brought my own smoker with me, so I treat myself once in a while when I can actually find a brisket that still has some fat on it.  They shave the fat off the meat up here for some reason.  Ruins the meat.

Next time you're down this way, head over to Lockhart, Luling or Gonzales and you will get the real deal (Blacks, City Market etc.)  Salt Lick is aimed at tourists hoping to see Sandra Bullock (sorry Im being so critical...had a bad experience at SL years ago and its stuck with me).  You're lucky you're brave enough to try doing your own BBQ...hate to admit it scares the hell out of me and I would hate to ruin a great hunk of meat.

\Blacks forever!


Blacks is ok, but they dont hold a farking candle to Kreuz meat market and you farkING KNOW IT dontchya?!11one!   Blacks just has better dessert.  Hell Kruez has a onery old lady at the counter who is ALWAYS bitter and been there since before dirt.  Salt Lick is ok, good even for Austin quality but it juts doesnt stack up to the other BBQ shacks around Texas and its WAAAY overpriced.  But both Blacks and Kruez have better BBQ than anything in Austin.  My personal favorite is in Llano, Coopers, even though my mom got robbed there once.  If you can name a local critter then they probably have it in one of their smokers.

A damn good for Austin place btw is a new coach eatery off east 11th, Micklethwait Craft Meats, Pretty damn good.  Their slaw and potatoe salad is nothing to overlook either.  But yea if you want the best bbq in Texas, you have to leave Austin.

But I am not afraid of smoking em myself to save me a trip....
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/this is now a BBQ thread.
 
2013-03-29 11:51:17 AM
I have an idea...
www.guns.com
 
2013-03-29 11:51:37 AM
Oh hey, another Korea thread. Shocking the number of similarities I'm seeing between this and that Iraq thread from 10 years ago - "It'll be over in hours" "We'll be greeted as liberators" "Deposing dictators is what we're good at" "There won't be any unforeseen problems of any sort like the Shia/Sunni conflict in Iraq or the Pakistan-Taliban connection in Afghanistan"

Plus, we're just about to get out of a land war in Asia. Can we please not start another one just yet? It would be nice to have a brief period of peace, even just for the novelty's sake.
 
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2013-03-29 11:52:12 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: You folks in LA, DC and Austin, Texas need to hunker down...

Wait, whut?


Samsung (South Korean company) has a huge factory complex in Austin, as well as other tech companies.  It's also possible that if they are making random guesses, NK could be a few inches off the map in either direction to take out Ft Hood in Killeen or make a play for San Antonio's military bases (Ft. Sam, Lackland AFB, Randolph AFB).

My money's on Samsung.
 
905
2013-03-29 11:54:55 AM
Oh, and as far as BBQ goes... Smitty's in Lockhart (now occupies the building that Kreuz used to be in until there was a family squabble) or Chisholm Trail (also in Lockhart, but further down 183 past the Dairy Queen) is good eats for cheap.
 
2013-03-29 11:58:17 AM

phyrkrakr: Oh hey, another Korea thread. Shocking the number of similarities I'm seeing between this and that Iraq thread from 10 years ago - "It'll be over in hours" "We'll be greeted as liberators" "Deposing dictators is what we're good at" "There won't be any unforeseen problems of any sort like the Shia/Sunni conflict in Iraq or the Pakistan-Taliban connection in Afghanistan"

Plus, we're just about to get out of a land war in Asia. Can we please not start another one just yet? It would be nice to have a brief period of peace, even just for the novelty's sake.


There aren't any parallels to Iraq here. Iraq was a colossal clusterfark that never should have happened. This situation is one of the last cold war hold-outs that should have been resolved decades ago. And we're sure as hell not going to try to occupy it. We destroy their ability to make war and kill the dear leader and let Worst Korea deal with the aftermath.
 
2013-03-29 11:59:10 AM

JustGetItRight: hiiamchris: two words. GLASS. PARKING. LOT.

Public school education?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enJwYaeolXc&feature=player_detailpage #t =169s

two words for that...
 
2013-03-29 11:59:22 AM

starsrift: Cer10Death: I say bring on the Nuclear Holocaust. Our best years are behind us in the US. We might as well take the rest of the World with us. Our current president is destroying this country from within. Let's just finish the job. I'm ready to go. Check please.

I'm sick and farking tired of people like you. You don't even know what you're saying or the evil you're perpetrating for the generations to follow. It is thanks to assholes like you that we are where we are in our dialogue today.

For the LAST FARKING TIME, it's CHEQUE, not CHECK.


I'm glad your sick of people like me. I'm sick of people like you who think the world is a rosy place and we should all grab each others hand and sing "We Are the World". We are NOT the world and it's flaming bullshiat to think otherwise.

I do know exactly what I'm saying and why I feel this way. This World isn't worth saving. The banks are in a state of financial collapse. We are living the sins of our forefathers. They have depleted all of our natural resources, they are eroding every shred of freedom we have left, they are taxing us beyond our ability to pay our bills, they've corrupted any modicum of government with any integrity. Our votes are meaningless. Our governments don't care about what our needs our. They only care about their self-perpetuating bullshiat.

What's left? To sit here and become indentured servants to the governments around the World?  We have food and water shortages worldwide, the governments don't care. We are working for corrupt governments that plunder our hard earned wealth and then expect us to sit idly by only to have our wealth redistributed to people who refuse to pull their fair share and make it better for all of us. We have the wealthy getting wealthier across the globe.

Our "leaders" refuse to learn from errors of the past. We keep repeating the same mistakes including nuclear proliferation. I say use them. Just use them and get it the fark over with. I'm tired of the Sword of Damocles. Like I said, let 'er rip. I'm ready. I think the place sucks. fark it.

I think it's time for a hard reset. This planet needs an enema. A huge Plutonium and Uranium enema.

/ and no, I'm not trolling. I really do feel this way. I'm entitled to have my opinion. I respect yours, please respect mine. I don't care if you disagree as you should care if I do with your opinion. Your mileage may vary.
 
2013-03-29 11:59:39 AM
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North Korean foreign relations
 
2013-03-29 12:00:51 PM

JDJoeE: NobleHam: paulseta: This is a very serious escalation - Obama will find himself in a tricky situation: either take pre-emptive action based on a possibility that NK could have something which could damage US forces; or sit it out and deal with the consequences if it turned out he should have done something. Either way, a large (and different for each scenario) section of the public will have their own thoughts - no doubt.

Personally, I think Kim is hankering for a nukering.

Take pre-emptive action. The longer we wait, the more difficult this war is going to be, and I don't see North Korea going away any time soon without a war. Furthermore, if we strike first we can minimize the damage to Seoul from artillery shelling by targeting North Korea's artillery bunkers before they have a chance to fire.

North Korea's not serious about an attack right now, this is just more posturing, but we're going to have to take real action at some point. For one thing, at this point allowing a country with such a horrible human rights record and history of belligerence off the hook sets an example for other countries: get nukes and the U.S. won't fight you, no matter how much you deserve it. For another, it's just the right thing to do to topple that regime, and the indoctrination and control they have over their people is strong enough that it's not going to topple any other way.

Pity Truman didn't have the sack to finish the "conflict".  How many people have starved because of Truman?  How many more will die because he allowed this mess to happen?  How hard would it really have been for him to nuke the Chinese out of North Korea?  How many less people would be dead (or will die) had that useless dolt prosecuted Korea as an actual war?


Truman kept a disobedient MacArthur from escalating the conflict; that alone saved far more lives than have been lost.

Ike convinced the Chinese and the Russians that he was willing to use nukes on the Norks if there wasn't an armistice agreement that didn't force repatriation, but he knew goddamn well that if he became the second American president to use atomic weapons on yellow people, leaving Korea in stalemate would have looked like inspired statesmanship in contrast.
 
2013-03-29 12:05:02 PM

Cer10Death: I do know exactly what I'm saying and why I feel this way. This World isn't worth saving. The banks are in a state of financial collapse. We are living the sins of our forefathers. They have depleted all of our natural resources, they are eroding every shred of freedom we have left, they are taxing us beyond our ability to pay our bills, they've corrupted any modicum of government with any integrity. Our votes are meaningless. Our governments don't care about what our needs our. They only care about their self-perpetuating bullshiat.

What's left? To sit here and become indentured servants to the governments around the World? We have food and water shortages worldwide, the governments don't care. We are working for corrupt governments that plunder our hard earned wealth and then expect us to sit idly by only to have our wealth redistributed to people who refuse to pull their fair share and make it better for all of us. We have the wealthy getting wealthier across the globe.

Our "leaders" refuse to learn from errors of the past. We keep repeating the same mistakes including nuclear proliferation. I say use them. Just use them and get it the fark over with. I'm tired of the Sword of Damocles. Like I said, let 'er rip. I'm ready. I think the place sucks. fark it.

I think it's time for a hard reset. This planet needs an enema. A huge Plutonium and Uranium enema.

/ and no, I'm not trolling. I really do feel this way. I'm entitled to have my opinion. I respect yours, please respect mine. I don't care if you disagree as you should care if I do with your opinion. Your mileage may vary.


I hate to say this on Good Friday, but you know what? Kill yourself. You, and the people around you, will all be better off.

Guys like you who want to watch the world burn are the embodiment of evil.
 
2013-03-29 12:08:29 PM

LibertyHiller: Cer10Death: I do know exactly what I'm saying and why I feel this way. This World isn't worth saving. The banks are in a state of financial collapse. We are living the sins of our forefathers. They have depleted all of our natural resources, they are eroding every shred of freedom we have left, they are taxing us beyond our ability to pay our bills, they've corrupted any modicum of government with any integrity. Our votes are meaningless. Our governments don't care about what our needs our. They only care about their self-perpetuating bullshiat.

What's left? To sit here and become indentured servants to the governments around the World? We have food and water shortages worldwide, the governments don't care. We are working for corrupt governments that plunder our hard earned wealth and then expect us to sit idly by only to have our wealth redistributed to people who refuse to pull their fair share and make it better for all of us. We have the wealthy getting wealthier across the globe.

Our "leaders" refuse to learn from errors of the past. We keep repeating the same mistakes including nuclear proliferation. I say use them. Just use them and get it the fark over with. I'm tired of the Sword of Damocles. Like I said, let 'er rip. I'm ready. I think the place sucks. fark it.

I think it's time for a hard reset. This planet needs an enema. A huge Plutonium and Uranium enema.

/ and no, I'm not trolling. I really do feel this way. I'm entitled to have my opinion. I respect yours, please respect mine. I don't care if you disagree as you should care if I do with your opinion. Your mileage may vary.

I hate to say this on Good Friday, but you know what? Kill yourself. You, and the people around you, will all be better off.

Guys like you who want to watch the world burn are the embodiment of evil.


Then where are people like you when we need to be filling the streets to try to save this place? Sitting on your couch debating how crappy Miami played last night? Seems like a lot of you aren't willing to fight for it. Where are you people??? That's really my point.
 
2013-03-29 12:09:47 PM

Cer10Death: starsrift: Cer10Death: I say bring on the Nuclear Holocaust. Our best years are behind us in the US. We might as well take the rest of the World with us. Our current president is destroying this country from within. Let's just finish the job. I'm ready to go. Check please.

I'm sick and farking tired of people like you. You don't even know what you're saying or the evil you're perpetrating for the generations to follow. It is thanks to assholes like you that we are where we are in our dialogue today.

For the LAST FARKING TIME, it's CHEQUE, not CHECK.

I'm glad your sick of people like me. I'm sick of people like you who think the world is a rosy place and we should all grab each others hand and sing "We Are the World". We are NOT the world and it's flaming bullshiat to think otherwise.

I do know exactly what I'm saying and why I feel this way. This World isn't worth saving. The banks are in a state of financial collapse. We are living the sins of our forefathers. They have depleted all of our natural resources, they are eroding every shred of freedom we have left, they are taxing us beyond our ability to pay our bills, they've corrupted any modicum of government with any integrity. Our votes are meaningless. Our governments don't care about what our needs our. They only care about their self-perpetuating bullshiat.

What's left? To sit here and become indentured servants to the governments around the World?  We have food and water shortages worldwide, the governments don't care. We are working for corrupt governments that plunder our hard earned wealth and then expect us to sit idly by only to have our wealth redistributed to people who refuse to pull their fair share and make it better for all of us. We have the wealthy getting wealthier across the globe.

Our "leaders" refuse to learn from errors of the past. We keep repeating the same mistakes including nuclear proliferation. I say use them. Just use them and get it the fark over with. I'm tired of the Sword of Damocles. Like I said, let 'er rip. I'm ready. I think the place sucks. fark it.

I think it's time for a hard reset. This planet needs an enema. A huge Plutonium and Uranium enema.

/ and no, I'm not trolling. I really do feel this way. I'm entitled to have my opinion. I respect yours, please respect mine. I don't care if you disagree as you should care if I do with your opinion. Your mileage may vary.


Stopped reading your puke after the third word. Learn to grammar.
 
2013-03-29 12:11:27 PM

ransack.: Cer10Death: starsrift: Cer10Death: I say bring on the Nuclear Holocaust. Our best years are behind us in the US. We might as well take the rest of the World with us. Our current president is destroying this country from within. Let's just finish the job. I'm ready to go. Check please.

I'm sick and farking tired of people like you. You don't even know what you're saying or the evil you're perpetrating for the generations to follow. It is thanks to assholes like you that we are where we are in our dialogue today.

For the LAST FARKING TIME, it's CHEQUE, not CHECK.

I'm glad your sick of people like me. I'm sick of people like you who think the world is a rosy place and we should all grab each others hand and sing "We Are the World". We are NOT the world and it's flaming bullshiat to think otherwise.

I do know exactly what I'm saying and why I feel this way. This World isn't worth saving. The banks are in a state of financial collapse. We are living the sins of our forefathers. They have depleted all of our natural resources, they are eroding every shred of freedom we have left, they are taxing us beyond our ability to pay our bills, they've corrupted any modicum of government with any integrity. Our votes are meaningless. Our governments don't care about what our needs our. They only care about their self-perpetuating bullshiat.

What's left? To sit here and become indentured servants to the governments around the World?  We have food and water shortages worldwide, the governments don't care. We are working for corrupt governments that plunder our hard earned wealth and then expect us to sit idly by only to have our wealth redistributed to people who refuse to pull their fair share and make it better for all of us. We have the wealthy getting wealthier across the globe.

Our "leaders" refuse to learn from errors of the past. We keep repeating the same mistakes including nuclear proliferation. I say use them. Just use them and get it the fark over with. I'm tired of ...


How's this: fark you. "Learn to grammar"? And you talk about my post???
 
2013-03-29 12:11:55 PM

LibertyHiller: Cer10Death: I do know exactly what I'm saying and why I feel this way. This World isn't worth saving. The banks are in a state of financial collapse. We are living the sins of our forefathers. They have depleted all of our natural resources, they are eroding every shred of freedom we have left, they are taxing us beyond our ability to pay our bills, they've corrupted any modicum of government with any integrity. Our votes are meaningless. Our governments don't care about what our needs our. They only care about their self-perpetuating bullshiat.

What's left? To sit here and become indentured servants to the governments around the World? We have food and water shortages worldwide, the governments don't care. We are working for corrupt governments that plunder our hard earned wealth and then expect us to sit idly by only to have our wealth redistributed to people who refuse to pull their fair share and make it better for all of us. We have the wealthy getting wealthier across the globe.

Our "leaders" refuse to learn from errors of the past. We keep repeating the same mistakes including nuclear proliferation. I say use them. Just use them and get it the fark over with. I'm tired of the Sword of Damocles. Like I said, let 'er rip. I'm ready. I think the place sucks. fark it.

I think it's time for a hard reset. This planet needs an enema. A huge Plutonium and Uranium enema.

/ and no, I'm not trolling. I really do feel this way. I'm entitled to have my opinion. I respect yours, please respect mine. I don't care if you disagree as you should care if I do with your opinion. Your mileage may vary.

I hate to say this on Good Friday, but you know what? Kill yourself. You, and the people around you, will all be better off.

Guys like you who want to watch the world burn are the embodiment of evil.


True dat. Church, homie.
 
2013-03-29 12:16:51 PM

Cer10Death: ransack.: Cer10Death: starsrift: Cer10Death: I say bring on the Nuclear Holocaust. Our best years are behind us in the US. We might as well take the rest of the World with us. Our current president is destroying this country from within. Let's just finish the job. I'm ready to go. Check please.

I'm sick and farking tired of people like you. You don't even know what you're saying or the evil you're perpetrating for the generations to follow. It is thanks to assholes like you that we are where we are in our dialogue today.

For the LAST FARKING TIME, it's CHEQUE, not CHECK.

I'm glad your sick of people like me. I'm sick of people like you who think the world is a rosy place and we should all grab each others hand and sing "We Are the World". We are NOT the world and it's flaming bullshiat to think otherwise.

I do know exactly what I'm saying and why I feel this way. This World isn't worth saving. The banks are in a state of financial collapse. We are living the sins of our forefathers. They have depleted all of our natural resources, they are eroding every shred of freedom we have left, they are taxing us beyond our ability to pay our bills, they've corrupted any modicum of government with any integrity. Our votes are meaningless. Our governments don't care about what our needs our. They only care about their self-perpetuating bullshiat.

What's left? To sit here and become indentured servants to the governments around the World?  We have food and water shortages worldwide, the governments don't care. We are working for corrupt governments that plunder our hard earned wealth and then expect us to sit idly by only to have our wealth redistributed to people who refuse to pull their fair share and make it better for all of us. We have the wealthy getting wealthier across the globe.

Our "leaders" refuse to learn from errors of the past. We keep repeating the same mistakes including nuclear proliferation. I say use them. Just use them and get it the fark over with. I'm tired of ...

How's this: fark you. "Learn to grammar"? And you talk about my post???


blog.chron.com
I meant to do that!
 
2013-03-29 12:16:59 PM
 
2013-03-29 12:20:17 PM

ransack.: Cer10Death: ransack.: Cer10Death: starsrift: Cer10Death: I say bring on the Nuclear Holocaust. Our best years are behind us in the US. We might as well take the rest of the World with us. Our current president is destroying this country from within. Let's just finish the job. I'm ready to go. Check please.

I'm sick and farking tired of people like you. You don't even know what you're saying or the evil you're perpetrating for the generations to follow. It is thanks to assholes like you that we are where we are in our dialogue today.

For the LAST FARKING TIME, it's CHEQUE, not CHECK.

I'm glad your sick of people like me. I'm sick of people like you who think the world is a rosy place and we should all grab each others hand and sing "We Are the World". We are NOT the world and it's flaming bullshiat to think otherwise.

I do know exactly what I'm saying and why I feel this way. This World isn't worth saving. The banks are in a state of financial collapse. We are living the sins of our forefathers. They have depleted all of our natural resources, they are eroding every shred of freedom we have left, they are taxing us beyond our ability to pay our bills, they've corrupted any modicum of government with any integrity. Our votes are meaningless. Our governments don't care about what our needs our. They only care about their self-perpetuating bullshiat.

What's left? To sit here and become indentured servants to the governments around the World?  We have food and water shortages worldwide, the governments don't care. We are working for corrupt governments that plunder our hard earned wealth and then expect us to sit idly by only to have our wealth redistributed to people who refuse to pull their fair share and make it better for all of us. We have the wealthy getting wealthier across the globe.

Our "leaders" refuse to learn from errors of the past. We keep repeating the same mistakes including nuclear proliferation. I say use them. Just use them and get it the fark ov ...


OK... that's pretty funny. No shiat. Made me laugh. You win. Humor trumps. Nicely played, good sir.
 
2013-03-29 12:20:58 PM

Dazrin: I need one of those hats!

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 620x387]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9960933/No rt h-Korea-plan-to-attack-US-mainland-revealed-in-photographs.html


Which one? I bet you can find them on E-Bay.
 
2013-03-29 12:22:53 PM
orclover:

Why would you put your chimney on the same side as your firebox?  How does the meat at the far end get any heat?
 
2013-03-29 12:24:01 PM

905: Oh, and as far as BBQ goes... Smitty's in Lockhart (now occupies the building that Kreuz used to be in until there was a family squabble) or Chisholm Trail (also in Lockhart, but further down 183 past the Dairy Queen) is good eats for cheap.


Screw the hipsters downtown, our next fark party needs to be in Lockhart.  This needs to be a thing.
 
2013-03-29 12:26:02 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-29 12:32:52 PM

ransack.: Virtuoso80: As someone who will admit joy thinking about the notion of the USA kicking the crap out of 'best Korea', I still am compelled to ask: Did we even try talking to these people first?

Yes, I did. They responded with what I believe to be unintelligible gibberish.


Did you ask for the Kung Pao chicken?
 
2013-03-29 12:32:56 PM

Psycoholic_Slag: orclover:

Why would you put your chimney on the same side as your firebox?  How does the meat at the far end get any heat?


Its a reverse flow smoker.  Inside attached to the fire box is a channel that goes to the far side of the smoker.  Smoke goes through it and starts at the far end and then flows back around to the chimmeny so both sides get all the smoke over the trays as it flows around the long way.  Used it last night to smoke up two sides of pork ribs and some home made pastrami.
 
2013-03-29 12:34:03 PM

Cer10Death: ransack.: Cer10Death: ransack.: Cer10Death: starsrift: Cer10Death: I say bring on the Nuclear Holocaust. Our best years are behind us in the US. We might as well take the rest of the World with us. Our current president is destroying this country from within. Let's just finish the job. I'm ready to go. Check please.

I'm sick and farking tired of people like you. You don't even know what you're saying or the evil you're perpetrating for the generations to follow. It is thanks to assholes like you that we are where we are in our dialogue today.

For the LAST FARKING TIME, it's CHEQUE, not CHECK.

I'm glad your sick of people like me. I'm sick of people like you who think the world is a rosy place and we should all grab each others hand and sing "We Are the World". We are NOT the world and it's flaming bullshiat to think otherwise.

I do know exactly what I'm saying and why I feel this way. This World isn't worth saving. The banks are in a state of financial collapse. We are living the sins of our forefathers. They have depleted all of our natural resources, they are eroding every shred of freedom we have left, they are taxing us beyond our ability to pay our bills, they've corrupted any modicum of government with any integrity. Our votes are meaningless. Our governments don't care about what our needs our. They only care about their self-perpetuating bullshiat.

What's left? To sit here and become indentured servants to the governments around the World?  We have food and water shortages worldwide, the governments don't care. We are working for corrupt governments that plunder our hard earned wealth and then expect us to sit idly by only to have our wealth redistributed to people who refuse to pull their fair share and make it better for all of us. We have the wealthy getting wealthier across the globe.

Our "leaders" refuse to learn from errors of the past. We keep repeating the same mistakes including nuclear proliferation. I say use them. Just use them and get it the fark ov ...

OK... that's pretty funny. No shiat. Made me laugh. You win. Humor trumps. Nicely played, good sir.


Respect your way as well, I appreciate your civility. It was an extra bonus for me that my GIS happened to turn up a perfect Pee-Wee/Goatse hybrid image. I hope in the future that my people and your people may troll together in utopic brotherhood.
 
2013-03-29 12:35:43 PM
TIL:

There were 326,000 American casualties in the Korean War
and
China has defeated the US in two wars.

Lessons in history from Fark.com
 
2013-03-29 12:37:02 PM

orclover: Litterbox: GGracie: Litterbox: GGracie: Bomb Austin, Texas???  But all of the good BBQ!  And I have friends and family there too.  But the BBQ!  We must save the BBQ!   And the friends and family as well, of course

[artofbackpacking.com image 640x426]

Uh, Salt Lick aint BBQ.  You should get out more.

I liked Salt Lick, and Rudys and Smokey Moes, and a lot of places.  As far as getting out... I'm in Seattle now.  All the BBQ up here is soaked in liquid smoke and dry as a bone.  But I brought my own smoker with me, so I treat myself once in a while when I can actually find a brisket that still has some fat on it.  They shave the fat off the meat up here for some reason.  Ruins the meat.

Next time you're down this way, head over to Lockhart, Luling or Gonzales and you will get the real deal (Blacks, City Market etc.)  Salt Lick is aimed at tourists hoping to see Sandra Bullock (sorry Im being so critical...had a bad experience at SL years ago and its stuck with me).  You're lucky you're brave enough to try doing your own BBQ...hate to admit it scares the hell out of me and I would hate to ruin a great hunk of meat.

\Blacks forever!

Blacks is ok, but they dont hold a farking candle to Kreuz meat market and you farkING KNOW IT dontchya?!11one!   Blacks just has better dessert.  Hell Kruez has a onery old lady at the counter who is ALWAYS bitter and been there since before dirt.  Salt Lick is ok, good even for Austin quality but it juts doesnt stack up to the other BBQ shacks around Texas and its WAAAY overpriced.  But both Blacks and Kruez have better BBQ than anything in Austin.  My personal favorite is in Llano, Coopers, even though my mom got robbed there once.  If you can name a local critter then they probably have it in one of their smokers.

A damn good for Austin place btw is a new coach eatery off east 11th, Micklethwait Craft Meats, Pretty damn good.  Their slaw and potatoe salad is nothing to overlook either.  But yea if you want the best bbq in Texas, y ...


Fark. Where north korea quickly turns into an Austin BBQ thread.
 
2013-03-29 12:41:25 PM

Virtuoso80: ransack.: Virtuoso80: As someone who will admit joy thinking about the notion of the USA kicking the crap out of 'best Korea', I still am compelled to ask: Did we even try talking to these people first?

Yes, I did. They responded with what I believe to be unintelligible gibberish.

Did you ask for the Kung Pao chicken?


Yes and they only said "WAT NUMBAH?", the furthest I got from just messing around was that if I said "to" or "for" or "ate" they would ask for my "AJRESS". I never discovered what that meant. It was like playing Final Fantasy V before the fan-translated ROM.
 
2013-03-29 12:42:10 PM

Cer10Death: LibertyHiller: Cer10Death: I do know exactly what I'm saying and why I feel this way. This World isn't worth saving. The banks are in a state of financial collapse. We are living the sins of our forefathers. They have depleted all of our natural resources, they are eroding every shred of freedom we have left, they are taxing us beyond our ability to pay our bills, they've corrupted any modicum of government with any integrity. Our votes are meaningless. Our governments don't care about what our needs our. They only care about their self-perpetuating bullshiat.

What's left? To sit here and become indentured servants to the governments around the World? We have food and water shortages worldwide, the governments don't care. We are working for corrupt governments that plunder our hard earned wealth and then expect us to sit idly by only to have our wealth redistributed to people who refuse to pull their fair share and make it better for all of us. We have the wealthy getting wealthier across the globe.

Our "leaders" refuse to learn from errors of the past. We keep repeating the same mistakes including nuclear proliferation. I say use them. Just use them and get it the fark over with. I'm tired of the Sword of Damocles. Like I said, let 'er rip. I'm ready. I think the place sucks. fark it.

I think it's time for a hard reset. This planet needs an enema. A huge Plutonium and Uranium enema.

/ and no, I'm not trolling. I really do feel this way. I'm entitled to have my opinion. I respect yours, please respect mine. I don't care if you disagree as you should care if I do with your opinion. Your mileage may vary.

I hate to say this on Good Friday, but you know what? Kill yourself. You, and the people around you, will all be better off.

Guys like you who want to watch the world burn are the embodiment of evil.

Then where are people like you when we need to be filling the streets to try to save this place? Sitting on your couch debating how crappy Miami played last night? Seems like a lot of you aren't willing to fight for it. Where are you people??? That's really my point.


Who are you calling "You people"?

Now that I have the cheap joke out of the way, I don't join any mob until I know to where it's marching. For some strange reason, I don't care for pepper spray, tear gas or being truncheoned by paramilitary forces, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Nevertheless, my original suggestion stands; you'll feel better and so will we.
 
2013-03-29 12:47:58 PM

Mixolydian Master: North Korean leadership has no interest in dying. This is all show. Kim Jong Un needs this pose to show his people he is not afraid of the big bad capitalist yankees, and their south korean lapdogs. I don't think he was born on a mountain with rainbows and doves crying, or hit a worl record for hols in one, on his first try at golf. This bullshiat is for internal consumption.


^^^This^^^
I have a few more pages to read and catch up, but this is it. The only people on Earth who are not in on the joke are the ones under li'l kimjong
 
2013-03-29 12:48:24 PM

muck4doo: But both Blacks and Kruez have better BBQ than anything in Austin.


Clearly someone hasn't been to Frankin's.
 
2013-03-29 12:51:20 PM
 
2013-03-29 12:53:09 PM
I'm really curious as to what his end game is here.

Is it a show of strength against China?   He can't stand up to China directly.  That could result in the Chinese responding in kind and North Korea can't risk an invasion by a superior land force, particularly without any remaining allies.  The US is a "safe" proxy because they know that the US won't likely attack because NK isn't a direct threat since NK can't deliver a missile to US soil.

Is he looking for aid?  Perhaps the deal is that if you scale back your threats and we'll send aid.  This could have been worked out back-door already.  The US (either alone or as part of a multi-national coalition) agrees to this dog and pony show.  NK postures, countries offer to send aid in return for peace, NK scales back its threats.    Aid is given and politicians can say they did it for "peace."  (Because really, you just don't need a barrack of hungry soldiers selling a warhead for a cart of turnips.)

Is he looking for business?  Is this a ploy to get the US and other countries to the table?  Kim knows that his country is falling behind and needs to move towards the 21st century.  But to open the doors for US businesses to invest in NK he needs to first get the US government to allow it.

Or we can pretend that he's not really trying to stay off a military coup, a public uprising, and three neighbors that would like nothing more than to erase his borders and be done with him.
 
2013-03-29 12:57:58 PM

No Line For Beer: I'm really curious as to what his end game is here.

Is it a show of strength against China?   He can't stand up to China directly.  That could result in the Chinese responding in kind and North Korea can't risk an invasion by a superior land force, particularly without any remaining allies.  The US is a "safe" proxy because they know that the US won't likely attack because NK isn't a direct threat since NK can't deliver a missile to US soil.

Is he looking for aid?  Perhaps the deal is that if you scale back your threats and we'll send aid.  This could have been worked out back-door already.  The US (either alone or as part of a multi-national coalition) agrees to this dog and pony show.  NK postures, countries offer to send aid in return for peace, NK scales back its threats.    Aid is given and politicians can say they did it for "peace."  (Because really, you just don't need a barrack of hungry soldiers selling a warhead for a cart of turnips.)

Is he looking for business?  Is this a ploy to get the US and other countries to the table?  Kim knows that his country is falling behind and needs to move towards the 21st century.  But to open the doors for US businesses to invest in NK he needs to first get the US government to allow it.

Or we can pretend that he's not really trying to stay off a military coup, a public uprising, and three neighbors that would like nothing more than to erase his borders and be done with him.


He doesn't have an endgame. His grandpa didn't need one, and neither did his dad. Why would he?
 
2013-03-29 12:59:14 PM

Tax Boy: muck4doo: But both Blacks and Kruez have better BBQ than anything in Austin.

Clearly someone hasn't been to Frankin's.


Before that it was called Sam's I believe and while they did make an increadible batch of spicy chicken wings (not tiny buffulo but full size chicken wings) back in the 80's they were nothing extrodinary in terms of bbq.  Since Sams got bought out and I assume sold his recipe's/ect to the new (hipster?) owners they have been booming business with the new invading locals.  They are pretty good (for Austin), but cant really compete against other smoked meat distributors in Texas.
 
2013-03-29 01:00:21 PM

phyrkrakr: Oh hey, another Korea thread. Shocking the number of similarities I'm seeing between this and that Iraq thread from 10 years ago - "It'll be over in hours" "We'll be greeted as liberators" "Deposing dictators is what we're good at" "There won't be any unforeseen problems of any sort like the Shia/Sunni conflict in Iraq or the Pakistan-Taliban connection in Afghanistan"

Plus, we're just about to get out of a land war in Asia. Can we please not start another one just yet? It would be nice to have a brief period of peace, even just for the novelty's sake.


farm3.staticflickr.com


Poor sensitive seoul.
 
2013-03-29 01:03:04 PM

orclover: Psycoholic_Slag: orclover:

Why would you put your chimney on the same side as your firebox?  How does the meat at the far end get any heat?

Its a reverse flow smoker.  Inside attached to the fire box is a channel that goes to the far side of the smoker.  Smoke goes through it and starts at the far end and then flows back around to the chimmeny so both sides get all the smoke over the trays as it flows around the long way.  Used it last night to smoke up two sides of pork ribs and some home made pastrami.


Nice. Haven't seen one of those before.
 
2013-03-29 01:03:27 PM
Only question I have is why China hasn't biatched slapped Un and told him to behave.
 
2013-03-29 01:04:39 PM
Uh huh. Jesus Christ, so many pants wetters.
 
2013-03-29 01:13:25 PM

muck4doo: Fark. Where north korea quickly turns into an Austin BBQ thread.


Another Seattle boy looking for good local BBQ (although Old School in Monroe is a pleasant surprise), the one time I visited Austin on business, I was taken to a place called County Line that impressed me.  What to locals think of that place?

/ObKorea: brinksmanship only works if we consider them a credible threat.  We don't really plan to collect the complete set of "Axis of Evil" achievements
 
2013-03-29 01:14:12 PM

Virtuoso80: As someone who will admit joy thinking about the notion of the USA kicking the crap out of 'best Korea', I still am compelled to ask: Did we even try talking to these people first?


You mean like the 1994 Agreed Framework under the Clinton administration or the Six party talks during the Bush administration?
 
2013-03-29 01:14:35 PM

praxcelis: What to locals think of that place?


DO.  What DO locals think of the place?

/gah.  morecoffeenow
 
2013-03-29 01:15:07 PM

praxcelis: muck4doo: Fark. Where north korea quickly turns into an Austin BBQ thread.

Another Seattle boy looking for good local BBQ (although Old School in Monroe is a pleasant surprise), the one time I visited Austin on business, I was taken to a place called County Line that impressed me.  What to locals think of that place?

/ObKorea: brinksmanship only works if we consider them a credible threat.  We don't really plan to collect the complete set of "Axis of Evil" achievements


Its alright, for Austin.  You need to drive a bit to get to the really good stuff.
 
2013-03-29 01:15:39 PM

ransack.: No Line For Beer:  He doesn't have an endgame. His grandpa didn't need one, and neither did his dad. Why would he?


Because no matter how much some people would like him to be, he's not a Dick Tracy villain.  He wants to come out of this as leader of NK which requires two things: he retain control and there be a North Korea.

.

stuffy: Only question I have is why China hasn't biatched slapped Un and told him to behave.

They recently did indeed tell him to shut the fark up.  China was Kim's last friend in the whole world.
 
2013-03-29 01:22:03 PM

theotherles: It is precisely because Obama is not taken seriously as a national leader that Lonely Jr. is pulling this BS.


Guess who's really not taken seriously because of their BS?
 
2013-03-29 01:24:58 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Shiat has already gotten real at least 5 times already.

How much realer can shiat get? We can only wait and see.


North Korea....keepin' it real since 1952 (or something)
 
2013-03-29 01:28:30 PM

GypsyJoker: WhyteRaven74: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

He's going to attack us with a Mellotron?

\confusion will be someone's epitaph


Nicely played, sir!

/clapping while sitting on a stool
//in the dark
///to the side of the stage
 
m00
2013-03-29 01:33:51 PM
well, I called this.

Say hello to your new boogeyman folks. The politicians will milk this hard to get more of your unnecessary and dangerous freedoms curtailed.
 
2013-03-29 01:33:58 PM

Hollie Maea: I live in Portland, so right in Kim's crosshairs. But I would be more worried if I lived in Chahalis or Albany, considering the accuracy of his rockets.


Oh please, I'm in Newport and I'm pretty sure my RC airplanes will shoot down his missiles.  Hey, its at least as likely as his missiles making it this far.
 
2013-03-29 01:36:43 PM

Cer10Death: starsrift: Cer10Death: I say bring on the Nuclear Holocaust. Our best years are behind us in the US. We might as well take the rest of the World with us. Our current president is destroying this country from within. Let's just finish the job. I'm ready to go. Check please.

I'm sick and farking tired of people like you. You don't even know what you're saying or the evil you're perpetrating for the generations to follow. It is thanks to assholes like you that we are where we are in our dialogue today.

For the LAST FARKING TIME, it's CHEQUE, not CHECK.

I'm glad your sick of people like me. I'm sick of people like you who think the world is a rosy place and we should all grab each others hand and sing "We Are the World". We are NOT the world and it's flaming bullshiat to think otherwise.

I do know exactly what I'm saying and why I feel this way. This World isn't worth saving. The banks are in a state of financial collapse. We are living the sins of our forefathers. They have depleted all of our natural resources, they are eroding every shred of freedom we have left, they are taxing us beyond our ability to pay our bills, they've corrupted any modicum of government with any integrity. Our votes are meaningless. Our governments don't care about what our needs our. They only care about their self-perpetuating bullshiat.

What's left? To sit here and become indentured servants to the governments around the World?  We have food and water shortages worldwide, the governments don't care. We are working for corrupt governments that plunder our hard earned wealth and then expect us to sit idly by only to have our wealth redistributed to people who refuse to pull their fair share and make it better for all of us. We have the wealthy getting wealthier across the globe.

Our "leaders" refuse to learn from errors of the past. We keep repeating the same mistakes including nuclear proliferation. I say use them. Just use them and get it the fark over with. I'm tired of the Sword of ...


I'm pretty sure there's about seven billion people that disagree with your "Final Solution", even if some of them agree with your assessments leading to the conclusion.

Seriously, get out more.  Get your naughty bits manipulated by someone else.  Get a hobby.  Something.
 
2013-03-29 01:39:24 PM

JustGetItRight: Virtuoso80: As someone who will admit joy thinking about the notion of the USA kicking the crap out of 'best Korea', I still am compelled to ask: Did we even try talking to these people first?

You mean like the 1994 Agreed Framework under the Clinton administration or the Six party talks during the Bush administration?


Oh, well in that case, BOMB THEM!

Seriously though, if you haven't noticed the leader of North Korea during those talks is now dead. Why would we not try talking to Jong-Un? History is replete with times when war was not inevitable, but a result of incorrect perceptions bolstered by lack of communication. If we can avoid war, we should, yes?
 
2013-03-29 01:41:50 PM

muck4doo: Fark. Where north korea quickly turns into an Austin BBQ thread.


Since Kim is threatening to BBQ all of Austin, it's only appropriate.
 
2013-03-29 01:45:01 PM
They're going to launch an all out assault on the Pacific Ocean?
 
2013-03-29 01:48:18 PM
This... isn't good. :-(
 
2013-03-29 01:50:24 PM

Captain Steroid: This... isn't good. :-(


Eh, I'd call it "Business as Usual" for the Best Koreans.
 
2013-03-29 01:52:32 PM
b-29s-over-korea.com

FREE PARKING!! FREE PARKING ON OUR NEW GLASS PARKING LOT!! COME ON OVER AND GET YOUR FREE PARKING!!
 
2013-03-29 01:58:43 PM

Virtuoso80: JustGetItRight: Virtuoso80: As someone who will admit joy thinking about the notion of the USA kicking the crap out of 'best Korea', I still am compelled to ask: Did we even try talking to these people first?

You mean like the 1994 Agreed Framework under the Clinton administration or the Six party talks during the Bush administration?

Oh, well in that case, BOMB THEM!

Seriously though, if you haven't noticed the leader of North Korea during those talks is now dead. Why would we not try talking to Jong-Un? History is replete with times when war was not inevitable, but a result of incorrect perceptions bolstered by lack of communication. If we can avoid war, we should, yes?


If avoiding war just puts off the inevitable to when it would be actually worse, no.
 
2013-03-29 01:59:04 PM

dmax: theotherles: It is precisely because Obama is not taken seriously as a national leader that Lonely Jr. is pulling this BS.

Guess who's really not taken seriously because of their BS?


Obama?
 
2013-03-29 02:00:32 PM

Super Chronic: muck4doo: Fark. Where north korea quickly turns into an Austin BBQ thread.

Since Kim is threatening to BBQ all of Austin, it's only appropriate.


i1247.photobucket.com

Rather turn this into an Austin beer thread!!!
 
2013-03-29 02:01:00 PM
It's Korea. Shiat's only real until someone points out shiat is misspelled on the label.
 
2013-03-29 02:01:10 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: But one of them comes with MegaCheney, so it's all good.


I hate war but seeing MegaCheney on deck made me laugh.
 
2013-03-29 02:02:38 PM

Krowdaddy Chixdiggit: Super Chronic: muck4doo: Fark. Where north korea quickly turns into an Austin BBQ thread.

Since Kim is threatening to BBQ all of Austin, it's only appropriate.

[i1247.photobucket.com image 500x698]

Rather turn this into an Austin beer thread!!!


I wish Kim would threaten to Beer all of Austin.
 
2013-03-29 02:04:29 PM

No Line For Beer: ransack.: No Line For Beer:  He doesn't have an endgame. His grandpa didn't need one, and neither did his dad. Why would he?

Because no matter how much some people would like him to be, he's not a Dick Tracy villain.  He wants to come out of this as leader of NK which requires two things: he retain control and there be a North Korea.

.stuffy: Only question I have is why China hasn't biatched slapped Un and told him to behave.
They recently did indeed tell him to shut the fark up.  China was Kim's last friend in the whole world.


You're saying KJI was a Sick Tracy villain? More like Austin Powers villain.
 
2013-03-29 02:05:23 PM

ransack.: No Line For Beer: ransack.: No Line For Beer:  He doesn't have an endgame. His grandpa didn't need one, and neither did his dad. Why would he?

Because no matter how much some people would like him to be, he's not a Dick Tracy villain.  He wants to come out of this as leader of NK which requires two things: he retain control and there be a North Korea.

.stuffy: Only question I have is why China hasn't biatched slapped Un and told him to behave.
They recently did indeed tell him to shut the fark up.  China was Kim's last friend in the whole world.

You're saying KJI was a Sick Tracy villain? More like Austin Powers villain.


Sick=Dick FTFM
 
2013-03-29 02:08:02 PM

Litterbox: You're lucky you're brave enough to try doing your own BBQ...hate to admit it scares the hell out of me and I would hate to ruin a great hunk of meat.


Um, that's the whole idea behind BBQ.
 
2013-03-29 02:11:06 PM
If we don't do what Un wants, he's going to land a shiatload of broken missiles on an unsuspecting Pacific Ocean. The splashes they make will be enormous. Then we will know fear.
 
2013-03-29 02:11:16 PM
Do not care.

Is there somewhere I can go and talk about Bioshock instead?
 
2013-03-29 02:13:40 PM

Virtuoso80: JustGetItRight: Virtuoso80: As someone who will admit joy thinking about the notion of the USA kicking the crap out of 'best Korea', I still am compelled to ask: Did we even try talking to these people first?

You mean like the 1994 Agreed Framework under the Clinton administration or the Six party talks during the Bush administration?

Oh, well in that case, BOMB THEM!

Seriously though, if you haven't noticed the leader of North Korea during those talks is now dead. Why would we not try talking to Jong-Un? History is replete with times when war was not inevitable, but a result of incorrect perceptions bolstered by lack of communication. If we can avoid war, we should, yes?


NO.
EXPLODE EVERYTHING.
 
2013-03-29 02:17:26 PM

Strategeryz0r: Do not care.

Is there somewhere I can go and talk about Bioshock instead?


NO. THERE ISN'T.
 
2013-03-29 02:17:51 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: cman: I hope this is all just a show

For the South Korean's and the average North Korean's sake.  Absolutely nobody has NK's back anymore, if they actually start a shooting war it won't last two days.


The problem is that millions of people will die in those two days.
 
2013-03-29 02:18:34 PM
It's about time someone did something about taking down a nuclear-armed rogue nation with a horrible human rights record that steals from it's increasingly-impoverished citizens to feed a few fat bastards at the top.

Someone should also do something about North Korea.
 
2013-03-29 02:21:51 PM

shower_in_my_socks: If we don't do what Un wants, he's going to land a shiatload of broken missiles on an unsuspecting Pacific Ocean. The splashes they make will be enormous. Then we will know fear.


Will somebody please think of the fish.
 
2013-03-29 02:50:20 PM

Virtuoso80: If we can avoid war, we should, yes?


These guys agree

www.s9.com

These guys not so much

0.tqn.com

Having said that, we aren't going to war over this latest round of his antics.
 
2013-03-29 02:54:53 PM

JustGetItRight: Virtuoso80: If we can avoid war, we should, yes?

These guys agree

[www.s9.com image 237x300]

These guys not so much

[0.tqn.com image 475x370]

Having said that, we aren't going to war over this latest round of his antics.


Somehow this guy's picture got dropped even though it previewed fine.

t1.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-29 03:03:01 PM
"To know your Enemy, you must become your Enemy."
"Speed is the essence of war. Take advantage of the enemy's unpreparedness; travel by unexpected routes and strike him where he has taken no precautions."

And finally:

"If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him."

- Sun Tzu, The Art of War, 600 BC.

What did he know what we refuse to recognize?
 
2013-03-29 03:35:23 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: We should carpet bomb the country with iPhones and S4s.  Establish strong signals all around the borders, flood the country with wifi.  Then broadcast a bunch of cooking shows.


It's a little early to break out the Crimes Against Humanity playbook.
 
2013-03-29 03:56:29 PM
Cer10Death:
"If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him."

- Sun Tzu, The Art of War, 600 BC.

What did he know what we refuse to recognize?


In poker, it's called tilting.  Where they just get completely irrational/off-balance and start being super-aggressive which you can then take advantage of.

Get somebody pissed, they get off balance and do stupid stuff.

Of course, that whole thing assumes that you're in active combat and want to destroy the guy.

/See every time I've charged Cavalry into spears in Rome: Total War at 4 AM.
//Or that one crazy series of battles where 800 men destroyed the entire faction of Harad in Third Age: Total War, conquering 6 cities and killing about 15000 men in the process along with their entire family tree (which kills the faction).  Mind you, I ended up with 128 survivors, at an average experience of 1 gold, before I could get reserves down there.  I won, but I was tilting the entire time because I couldn't afford for them to get reinforcements, so I was doing these crazy attacks and winning by magic.
///God, Gondor gets screwed in that game.  There's 3 (eventually 4) separate defensive fronts, plus whatever offenses you're running, and you just don't have the cash.  So I sent the 800 men to distract Harad and buy time while I took some territory, and they ended up winning the war by themselves.
 
2013-03-29 04:28:37 PM

The Dog Ate My Homework: The problem is that millions of people will die in those two days.


No, they won't.
 
2013-03-29 05:18:09 PM

nekom: There aren't any parallels to Iraq here. Iraq was a colossal clusterfark that never should have happened. This situation is one of the last cold war hold-outs that should have been resolved decades ago. And we're sure as hell not going to try to occupy it. We destroy their ability to make war and kill the dear leader and let Worst Korea deal with the aftermath.


Hey, I sure hope you're right. But I kind of look at it like the Berlin Wall. That came down without any major military missions. Russia and China both had/have the ability to squash us completely and have had it for several decades of at times, very tense situations, yet they've never been crazy enough to pull the trigger. I don't see how North Korea is so different. I mean, MAD worked for 40 or 50 years. Why are we not okay with that again?
 
2013-03-29 05:19:03 PM

NobleHam: North Korea's not serious about an attack right now, this is just more posturing, but we're going to have to take real action at some point. For one thing, at this point allowing a country with such a horrible human rights record and history of belligerence off the hook sets an example for other countries: get nukes and the U.S. won't fight you, no matter how much you deserve it. For another, it's just the right thing to do to topple that regime


Have you learned nothing from Iraq?  Don't you ever consider consequences??
Pre-emptive war-starting is a bad idea, and doing it on 'principle' is the absolute WORST reason possible.  We can't simply march around destroying countries because their regimes "deserve" it.  What do you think is going to happen if we knock over what passes for NK's government, that some sort of democracy will magically spring up from the ground?  We (and the South Koreans) will be stuck paying HUGE amounts of money to help the North Koreans (who will probably NOT be cooperative!) rebuild, there will be a massive humanitarian disaster in NK as people starve even more than usual while every kind of service grinds to a halt because of destroyed infrastructure, and South Korea will be absolutely inundated with refugees that will drag their economy to the ground and clog up social services.  This guns-blazing cowboy bullsh*t is just NOT the way to go about fixing problems.  You have to be patient and take the long but stable road, or else you just end up doing a lot of violence and replacing one problem with a worse one that will take just as long to fix.
 
2013-03-29 05:27:32 PM

Gawdzila: NobleHam: North Korea's not serious about an attack right now, this is just more posturing, but we're going to have to take real action at some point. For one thing, at this point allowing a country with such a horrible human rights record and history of belligerence off the hook sets an example for other countries: get nukes and the U.S. won't fight you, no matter how much you deserve it. For another, it's just the right thing to do to topple that regime

Have you learned nothing from Iraq?  Don't you ever consider consequences??
Pre-emptive war-starting is a bad idea, and doing it on 'principle' is the absolute WORST reason possible.  We can't simply march around destroying countries because their regimes "deserve" it.  What do you think is going to happen if we knock over what passes for NK's government, that some sort of democracy will magically spring up from the ground?  We (and the South Koreans) will be stuck paying HUGE amounts of money to help the North Koreans (who will probably NOT be cooperative!) rebuild, there will be a massive humanitarian disaster in NK as people starve even more than usual while every kind of service grinds to a halt because of destroyed infrastructure, and South Korea will be absolutely inundated with refugees that will drag their economy to the ground and clog up social services.  This guns-blazing cowboy bullsh*t is just NOT the way to go about fixing problems.  You have to be patient and take the long but stable road, or else you just end up doing a lot of violence and replacing one problem with a worse one that will take just as long to fix.


It's annoying. On N.K., China and Russia are smart and wise. On Syria.... uhmmmmm China and Russia are........uhmmmm........hmmmmm.

No rikey.
 
2013-03-29 05:31:56 PM

Macular Degenerate: This is clearly all Bush's fault.

missmeyet?.jpg


Actually, it kind of is. NK got nukes while Bush had his head up his ass futzing around in Iraq.
 
2013-03-29 05:36:11 PM

Jim_Callahan: thamike


Eh, I was never hard core about that stuff.  I played D&D in my teens, until our DM invited a girl I liked and who apparently liked me as well to join us one day (now that's a DM!).  We both got a little bored with RPGs fairly early that night and put our characters on a suicide mission, retiring early.

At this point, the most detailed I get is Risk.  I can't even set up an Axis & Allies board without immediately wanting to do something else.
 
2013-03-29 05:56:28 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-29 06:10:43 PM
Break glass only in the event of war.
 
2013-03-29 06:14:48 PM

thamike: Jim_Callahan: thamike

Eh, I was never hard core about that stuff.  I played D&D in my teens, until our DM invited a girl I liked and who apparently liked me as well to join us one day (now that's a DM!).  We both got a little bored with RPGs fairly early that night and put our characters on a suicide mission, retiring early.

At this point, the most detailed I get is Risk.  I can't even set up an Axis & Allies board without immediately wanting to do something else.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-29 06:39:48 PM

kim jong-un: You people are hilarious.

/boo


cat is farting meh all over you because cat is indifferent

/pffrt
 
2013-03-29 07:07:32 PM

Gawdzila: NobleHam: North Korea's not serious about an attack right now, this is just more posturing, but we're going to have to take real action at some point. For one thing, at this point allowing a country with such a horrible human rights record and history of belligerence off the hook sets an example for other countries: get nukes and the U.S. won't fight you, no matter how much you deserve it. For another, it's just the right thing to do to topple that regime

Have you learned nothing from Iraq?  Don't you ever consider consequences??
Pre-emptive war-starting is a bad idea, and doing it on 'principle' is the absolute WORST reason possible.  We can't simply march around destroying countries because their regimes "deserve" it.  What do you think is going to happen if we knock over what passes for NK's government, that some sort of democracy will magically spring up from the ground?  We (and the South Koreans) will be stuck paying HUGE amounts of money to help the North Koreans (who will probably NOT be cooperative!) rebuild, there will be a massive humanitarian disaster in NK as people starve even more than usual while every kind of service grinds to a halt because of destroyed infrastructure, and South Korea will be absolutely inundated with refugees that will drag their economy to the ground and clog up social services.  This guns-blazing cowboy bullsh*t is just NOT the way to go about fixing problems.  You have to be patient and take the long but stable road, or else you just end up doing a lot of violence and replacing one problem with a worse one that will take just as long to fix.


For starters, Iraq is a completely different country and I'm not going to go into all of the ways an occupation of North Korea would be nothing like Iraq. There is no long but stable road with North Korea. We've tried to find one for decades, and it doesn't exist. One way or another the regime will have to be toppled, and I for one would prefer to do that before they have serious nuclear capabilities and before millions more die from abuse and neglect or in their prison camps which are no better than Auschwitz but we've let operate for 60 years. Will democracy magically spring up? No, it will migrate up from South Korea. North and South Koreans want unity. If South Korea takes control of rebuilding and economic adjustments, there will not be an insurgency or resistance. Yes, it will be expensive, but it will be lucrative and profitable in the long run, and frankly cost shouldn't be an issue when we're talking about something like this. And no, there won't be a humanitarian disaster in North Korea, no more than there is already. There already isn't much in the way of infrastructure outside of Pyongyang, food could be rapidly distributed once the military command is out of the way, and your worries for South Korea are just the same asinine crap we heard about West Germany in the 80s. South Korea will be fine.
 
2013-03-29 07:17:29 PM

kim jong-un: You people are hilarious.

/boo


No, no, no.

It's Hiraraious. Close. Try again.
 
2013-03-29 08:21:47 PM

phyrkrakr: Why are we not okay with that again?


Because it doesn't work with psychos.
 
2013-03-29 08:26:06 PM
I used to live in Korea. North Korea does this on at least a quarterly basis; far more often if they feel sad and want extra attention. Their declarations of imminent war are treated just one step less seriously than crazy drunken hoboes' declarations of war.

I think everyone believes that it could happen... and most probably believe that the head crazy drunken hobo probably WILL pull the trigger someday... but he has been hysterically threatening to do so every week for 60 years. And he knows that it is suicide if he does it.

Nobody there even hears it anymore.

The only new thing happening is that NewKim's press corps is actively seeking a new audience for their noise.
 
2013-03-29 10:17:44 PM

JDJoeE: Pity Truman didn't have the sack to finish the "conflict".  How many people have starved because of Truman?  How many more will die because he allowed this mess to happen?  How hard would it really have been for him to nuke the Chinese out of North Korea?  How many less people would be dead (or will die) had that useless dolt prosecuted Korea as an actual war?


Holy SHIATBALLS, did you just call Harry S Truman a pussy!?
 
2013-03-29 10:42:24 PM

Kittypie070: JDJoeE: Pity Truman didn't have the sack to finish the "conflict".  How many people have starved because of Truman?  How many more will die because he allowed this mess to happen?  How hard would it really have been for him to nuke the Chinese out of North Korea?  How many less people would be dead (or will die) had that useless dolt prosecuted Korea as an actual war?

Holy SHIATBALLS, did you just call Harry S Truman a pussy!?


Believe it or not, during the Korean War a lot of people felt the same way.  Truman was not a popular President during his administration.
 
2013-03-29 11:01:40 PM
Turbo Cojones:
Expendable guided missile destroyers are all the rage these days.

They're only "expendable" if the enemy has something that can hit them.  Unless China starts loaning them a blue-water navy (FAT CHANCE), DDGs could sit off shore and snipe away as they please.
 
2013-03-29 11:06:32 PM

JustGetItRight: Ishidan: While it's perhaps not so appealing for people who need an 18" DIAMETER penis substitute, small and agile guided missile destroyers are all the rage these days.

People needing an 18" diameter penis substitute will have to do some deep sea diving in the South CHina or Sibuyan seas.


Heh good detail catch!
(for those that missed it, the Iowa class has 16-not 18-inch diameter main guns.  Only the Japanese Yamato class had 18" diameter guns-and they're sunk in the aforementioned locations.)
 
2013-03-29 11:10:20 PM

Kittypie070: JDJoeE: Pity Truman didn't have the sack to finish the "conflict".  How many people have starved because of Truman?  How many more will die because he allowed this mess to happen?  How hard would it really have been for him to nuke the Chinese out of North Korea?  How many less people would be dead (or will die) had that useless dolt prosecuted Korea as an actual war?

Holy SHIATBALLS, did you just call Harry S Truman a pussy!?


I know they didn't have more bombs, but I've always questioned dropping nukes on civilian cities. It is the biggest thing preventing me personally from respecting Truman.  I often speculate what would have happened had the bombs been detonated over Mt. Fuji, or you know, not at all.
 
2013-03-29 11:35:40 PM
I just wish they'd get it over with. All this waiting around is annoying.
 
2013-03-30 12:10:33 AM

paulseta: This is a very serious escalation - Obama will find himself in a tricky situation: either take pre-emptive action based on a possibility that NK could have something which could damage US forces; or sit it out and deal with the consequences if it turned out he should have done something. Either way, a large (and different for each scenario) section of the public will have their own thoughts - no doubt.

Personally, I think Kim is hankering for a nukering.


You know Obama is in a no-win situation. Strike pre-emptively, and he's a war monger who didn't ask permission. Wait, and he should've acted sooner.

Personally, I don't think we should nuke them- yet. However, if a couple thousand Tomahawks and Patriots suddenly landed their way, I wouldn't be opposed.
 
2013-03-30 12:14:38 AM

Acharne: Kittypie070: JDJoeE: Pity Truman didn't have the sack to finish the "conflict".  How many people have starved because of Truman?  How many more will die because he allowed this mess to happen?  How hard would it really have been for him to nuke the Chinese out of North Korea?  How many less people would be dead (or will die) had that useless dolt prosecuted Korea as an actual war?

Holy SHIATBALLS, did you just call Harry S Truman a pussy!?


I know they didn't have more bombs, but I've always questioned dropping nukes on civilian cities. It is the biggest thing preventing me personally from respecting Truman.  I often speculate what would have happened had the bombs been detonated over Mt. Fuji, or you know, not at all.


Questions are always OK by me.

A) shoulda targeted strictly military installations with those weapons, yeah :(

B) invading would have been a shiatload worse as far as total death toll on both sides, probably

C) Soviets were watching too, we done spooked the unholy piss out of them and started the sucky-ass Cold War
 
2013-03-30 12:39:53 AM
The only way N. Korea can even fight the US is if the US goes over there.  There is no threat of N. Korea attacking the continental US.
 
2013-03-30 01:09:54 AM
www.silent-strike.org
 
2013-03-30 01:48:52 AM

Kittypie070: C) Soviets were watching too, we done spooked the unholy piss out of them and started the sucky-ass Cold War


If we hadn't dropped the atomic bombs, here's what might have happened: the Soviets, who had already invaded Manchuria, might have tried to take Japan for themselves.  Instead of alternately making fun of North Korea and feeling sorry for them, we might be thinking the same way about Japan.

If we hadn't dropped the atomic bombs, here's what unquestionably would have happened: MacArthur would have been allowed to use much worse weapons in Korea.  We're all better off having learned about the horrors of nuclear warfare with 1945-era bombs than with 1950s-era ones.
 
2013-03-30 01:58:14 AM

Man On Pink Corner: Kittypie070: C) Soviets were watching too, we done spooked the unholy piss out of them and started the sucky-ass Cold War

If we hadn't dropped the atomic bombs, here's what might have happened: the Soviets, who had already invaded Manchuria, might have tried to take Japan for themselves.  Instead of alternately making fun of North Korea and feeling sorry for them, we might be thinking the same way about Japan.

If we hadn't dropped the atomic bombs, here's what unquestionably would have happened: MacArthur would have been allowed to use much worse weapons in Korea.  We're all better off having learned about the horrors of nuclear warfare with 1945-era bombs than with 1950s-era ones.


Kind of sounds like you're saying we were determined to use a nuclear bomb on someone eventually.
 
2013-03-30 02:56:27 AM

Frederick: Kind of sounds like you're saying we were determined to use a nuclear bomb on someone eventually.


(Shrug) Somebody would've.  You have to keep in mind that they were just big bombs.  The totemistic aspects came later.
 
2013-03-30 03:39:38 AM

Man On Pink Corner: Kittypie070: C) Soviets were watching too, we done spooked the unholy piss out of them and started the sucky-ass Cold War

If we hadn't dropped the atomic bombs, here's what might have happened: the Soviets, who had already invaded Manchuria, might have tried to take Japan for themselves.  Instead of alternately making fun of North Korea and feeling sorry for them, we might be thinking the same way about Japan.

If we hadn't dropped the atomic bombs, here's what unquestionably would have happened: MacArthur would have been allowed to use much worse weapons in Korea.  We're all better off having learned about the horrors of nuclear warfare with 1945-era bombs than with 1950s-era ones.


That's correct.
 
2013-03-30 04:28:49 AM

Man On Pink Corner: Frederick: Kind of sounds like you're saying we were determined to use a nuclear bomb on someone eventually.

(Shrug) Somebody would've.  You have to keep in mind that they were just big bombs.  The totemistic aspects came later.


Probably true.  Probably also true that it will happen again.  As an American I have a lot of regret over it's use.  I know that is seen as the incorrect attitude.
 
2013-03-30 04:44:13 AM

Kittypie070: Man On Pink Corner: Kittypie070: C) Soviets were watching too, we done spooked the unholy piss out of them and started the sucky-ass Cold War

If we hadn't dropped the atomic bombs, here's what might have happened: the Soviets, who had already invaded Manchuria, might have tried to take Japan for themselves.  Instead of alternately making fun of North Korea and feeling sorry for them, we might be thinking the same way about Japan.

If we hadn't dropped the atomic bombs, here's what unquestionably would have happened: MacArthur would have been allowed to use much worse weapons in Korea.  We're all better off having learned about the horrors of nuclear warfare with 1945-era bombs than with 1950s-era ones.

That's correct.


It's Fark. Let it go.
 
2013-03-30 07:21:05 AM
People still think we will use these.
www.blog.markloiseau.com
That's hilarious. Because, hey, Japan and China would be so cool with that.
 
2013-03-30 08:15:19 AM

Ishidan: They're only "expendable" if the enemy has something that can hit them.


NK is one of the few countries that actually does have the potential to sink a US DDG.

i.cdn.turner.com

This was a dedicated anti-submarine platform.  Granted, it wasn't operating in war mode, but it got sunk by one of their small submarines.

Diesel electric boats in coastal waters are a PITA.  They've got to be in the right place at the right time, but if the circumstances fall right they'll bag anything.
 
2013-03-30 09:37:39 AM

muck4doo: Kittypie070: Man On Pink Corner: Kittypie070:

That's correct.


It's Fark. Let it go.


Why U getting all up in my grillz?
 
2013-03-30 09:50:19 AM

Kittypie070: muck4doo: Kittypie070: Man On Pink Corner: Kittypie070:

That's correct.

It's Fark. Let it go.

Why U getting all up in my grillz?


lol!
 
2013-03-30 03:46:33 PM

JustGetItRight: Diesel electric boats in coastal waters are a PITA.


Not like they can hide from us.
 
2013-03-30 04:35:11 PM

Frederick: As an American I have a lot of regret over it's use. I know that is seen as the incorrect attitude.


There was plenty to regret on both sides.  That's the whole problem with world wars, really -- they always seem to turn into a contest to see who can commit the worst atrocities.
 
2013-04-01 06:46:01 PM
JustGetItRight:

That hull number seems rather high to be a DDG, and the shape is ALL wrong.  (I often work at the Pearl Harbor Naval Station, I know what a farking DDG looks like, and that aint one.)  Let's ask around what ship that is.

...got it.  That's the South Korean Corvette Cheonan, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKS_Cheonan_%28PCC-772%29

CORVETTE, now.  Displacement, 1,200 tons, with sensors and survivability far inferior to current US warship designs.

The smallest thing that the US currently calls a capital ship would be the Perry class frigate, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Hazard_Perry_class_frigate
Three times larger, with better sensors.
Next step up the Burke class destroyer, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arleigh_Burke_class_destroyer
A good six times larger, with survivability upgrades to match.

So yeahhhh...no.  I don't think that North Korean minisubs would have quite so much luck.
 
2013-04-02 10:13:39 AM

Ishidan: JustGetItRight:

That hull number seems rather high to be a DDG, and the shape is ALL wrong.  (I often work at the Pearl Harbor Naval Station, I know what a farking DDG looks like, and that aint one.)  Let's ask around what ship that is.

...got it.  That's the South Korean Corvette Cheonan, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKS_Cheonan_%28PCC-772%29

CORVETTE, now.  Displacement, 1,200 tons, with sensors and survivability far inferior to current US warship designs.

The smallest thing that the US currently calls a capital ship would be the Perry class frigate, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Hazard_Perry_class_frigate
Three times larger, with better sensors.
Next step up the Burke class destroyer, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arleigh_Burke_class_destroyer
A good six times larger, with survivability upgrades to match.

So yeahhhh...no.  I don't think that North Korean minisubs would have quite so much luck.


I am well aware that's a corvette.  Specifically, it is the dedicated anti-submarine warfare one sunk by the NK's a year or so ago.

My post was more regarding detection capabilities vs. diesel/electric subs rather than survivability, but since you want to talk about survivability, does this help?

www.fbi.gov

In case you don't remember, that's the USS Cole, struck  above the waterline by a zodiac-borne IED in the 500-700 pound range.  Had the Cole been underway, she would have been at serious risk of sinking.

The warheads of the torpedoes carried by the NK mini-subs carry 815 pounds of explosives designed to break the keel of its target in an underwater explosion.

In 1991, the USS Princeton - a Ticonderoga class cruiser roughly the same size as a Burke DDG - had the ill fortune to sail over and trigger a sea bed laid mine.  That mine's explosion triggered a second nearby one.  Only one was actually under the ship.

Princeton nearly broke in half.  She went dead in the water, had to be towed to safety by a Canadian destroyer, and spent two months in dry dock being made seaworthy before she could sail back home.

www.militaryspot.com
www.militaryspot.com

You can see more photos here: http://www.militaryspot.com/gallery/search.php?searchid=84621

The mine that caused this damage had a 250 pound warhead.  Less than 1/3 that of a NK torpedo.

A successful NK torpedo attack on a US DDG or CG would result in catastrophic damage.  If she didn't sink outright, the vessel would be a total constructive loss.  Odds are great that she would sink with a single hit.  More than one would be an absolute sinking.

An aircraft carrier (and possibly their amphibious assault ship cousins) is the only US warship that would certainly survive and possibly remain operational after a single torpedo hit.  It is the only ship that could survive multiple torpedo hits.

Before you even say 'they'll never get close enough', you might want to ask the Kitty Hawk's battle group.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-C hi nese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-fac ed.html

Those subs are a real threat.  Hopefully we've got a dozen or so SSNs watching their arse most all the time.
 
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