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2013-03-28 07:07:08 PM
7 votes:
Seniors who use scooters unnecessarily can become sedentary, which can exacerbate obesity and other disorders.

Which can also be covered by Medicare. (The ciiiiiircle of life...)

You couldn't design a better program of big-government self-perpetuation combined with corporate welfare for the medical-industrial complex if you tried - and the best part is, it's dressed up as compassion for seniors so no politician dares touch a bit of it.
2013-03-28 08:17:47 PM
6 votes:
I think one big problem with scooters is that they're made very, very cheaply, don't hold up to daily use, and are pretty expensive. As the article points out, it doesn't help with 90% of the people using them are indeed just lazy & obese people.

My brother has chronic progressive MS and has been wheelchair bound for about 15 years now. Since he doesn't have the upper body strength to push a chair, but isn't disabled enough to require a power wheelchair, he rolls around in a scooter. A Pride mobility scooter typically lasts him about 12-18 months before it breaks down (at ~$2,000 a pop, they aren't cheap). Almost everything on them are plastic, including the drive gears. Since they're low to the ground, it isn't uncommon to ground out the bottom and end up chafing and breaking the electrical harness. I wish they'd make them a little more durable.

It's not like my bro is a very big guy - his leg muscles are mostly atrophied. He hates being lumped in with all the scooter/handicapped cheaters out there. Most of those landwhales are also taking up all the handicapped hotel rooms, parking spaces, airplane seats, etc - farking over truly handicapped people.sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
2013-03-28 07:59:39 PM
6 votes:
One more reason why medical devices and prescription drugs should not be allowed to advertise.  If you need a scooter, your GP should bring it up, not the other way around.
2013-03-28 07:35:59 PM
6 votes:
I'm fat because my knees and back are bad

No. Your knees and back are bad because you are fat.
2013-03-28 06:39:48 PM
6 votes:
Government says 80% of scooters and electric wheelchairs Medicare buys go to lazy fat people who complain incessantly about Big Government waste, taxes and helping the poors.
2013-03-28 07:51:03 PM
5 votes:

i_dig_chicks: I used to work for a company the supplied powerchairs.  It's not that easy to get Medicare to pay for these even for people that really need them.


Your company isn't trying hard slimy enough.

I (as a doc) get these requests all the time from companies that advertise "We'll give you your chair for free, and if Medicare doesn't cover it, it's still yours!"

I had a patient who needed just a walker but got one of these.  The chair company sent the form back to me 4 times, as how I filled it out would not get the chair approved, each time more specific about how they needed it filled out (highlighted sections, post-it notes).  The last time I had to write "This patient does not require a power chair" in the margin.

farking thieves.
2013-03-28 07:50:51 PM
5 votes:
You know what drives me nuts? A good chunk of the stereotypical "old tea party guy on a scooter" types will tell you that they don't have government healthcare, they have private insurance and they can show you their Aetna/Blue Cross/etc card to prove it. Apparently they're convinced Medicare Advantage means they are independent of government support, even when the government spends more for them to get private insurance than they would just covering it in-house.
2013-03-28 08:21:55 PM
4 votes:

giftedmadness: but but but Medicare....it's so efficient! how is this possible???????


That's the scary thing: despite the number of scams it's still significantly cheaper to cover someone through Medicare than through Medicare Advantage. The private market hasn't been any better at controlling the costs of this sort of abuse. Hope the hammer comes down hard.
2013-03-28 07:48:22 PM
4 votes:

Isitoveryet: onlyadistraction: Fat people disgust me. I saw an obese woman driving her scooter back to her government housing project the other day with 48 cans of soda in her basket... Americans make me sick

Technically, you make yourself sick.


No, sometimes it is the fat people. Bathing becomes an issue sometimes and the BO is absolutely flattening. Takes all I can to keep from hurling.
2013-03-28 07:34:50 PM
4 votes:
The Scooter Store idiots should have learned from those boneheads that used to advertise about tax settlements, where people claimed that they settled with the IRS for pennies on the dollar. When your tagline involves taking advantage of government largesse, you WILL get punished or shut down.
2013-03-28 06:45:06 PM
4 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-03-29 12:40:15 AM
3 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: WhippingBoy: No, it's always laziness and greed.

Not sure why that viewpoint consistently amazes me, all of fark's armchair experts argue from the point of view limited to their own very narrow experience but it always shows the brightest in these threads.

Hell, if a signature of intelligence is the ability to recognize a reality that is larger and more varied than your existence, mankind fails as a whole.

I want to see a chart that demonstrates your(collective you) prejudice on other issues. Of course you say you aren't ...

If only science were on your side...


I guess it's a good thing it is on his side... that is of course if you believe Medicine is science and not voodoo... on Fark, however, who knows what someone believes.

/oh and oblig


Hm, except it's not. Because here's what your very own link actually says, in full:

Causes Although there are genetic and hormonal influences on body weight, obesity occurs when you take in more calories than you burn through exercise and normal daily activities. Your body stores these excess calories as fat. Obesity usually results from a combination of causes and contributing factors, including:
Inactivity. If you're not very active, you don't burn as many calories. With a sedentary lifestyle, you can easily take in more calories every day than you use through exercise and normal daily activities.
Unhealthy diet and eating habits. Having a diet that's high in calories, eating fast food, skipping breakfast, eating most of your calories at night, drinking high-calorie beverages and eating oversized portions all contribute to weight gain.
Pregnancy. During pregnancy, a woman's weight necessarily increases. Some women find this weight difficult to lose after the baby is born. This weight gain may contribute to the development of obesity in women
Lack of sleep. Getting less than seven hours of sleep a night can cause changes in hormones that increase your appetite. You may also crave foods high in calories and carbohydrates, which can contribute to weight gain.
Certain medications. Some medications can lead to weight gain if you don't compensate through diet or activity. These medications include some antidepressants, anti-seizure medications, diabetes medications, antipsychotic medications, steroids and beta blockers.
Medical problems. Obesity can sometimes be traced to a medical cause, such as Prader-Willi syndrome, Cushing's syndrome, polycystic ovary syndrome, and other diseases and conditions. Some medical problems, such as arthritis, can lead to decreased activity, which may result in weight gain. A low metabolism is unlikely to cause obesity, as is having low thyroid function.(source: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/obesity/DS00314/DSECTION=causes)

It seems the Mayo Clinic agrees more with overeating and lack of exercise as a cause of fatness, rather than metabolism or hormones.
2013-03-28 08:31:42 PM
3 votes:

MrSteve007: I think one big problem with scooters is that they're made very, very cheaply, don't hold up to daily use, and are pretty expensive. As the article points out, it doesn't help with 90% of the people using them are indeed just lazy & obese people.

My brother has chronic progressive MS and has been wheelchair bound for about 15 years now. Since he doesn't have the upper body strength to push a chair, but isn't disabled enough to require a power wheelchair, he rolls around in a scooter. A Pride mobility scooter typically lasts him about 12-18 months before it breaks down (at ~$2,000 a pop, they aren't cheap). Almost everything on them are plastic, including the drive gears. Since they're low to the ground, it isn't uncommon to ground out the bottom and end up chafing and breaking the electrical harness. I wish they'd make them a little more durable.

It's not like my bro is a very big guy - his leg muscles are mostly atrophied. He hates being lumped in with all the scooter/handicapped cheaters out there. Most of those landwhales are also taking up all the handicapped hotel rooms, parking spaces, airplane seats, etc - farking over truly handicapped people.[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x564]


Your brother, and his obvious sense of adventure and life, rocks:)
My spine is damaged due to a car accident. I can walk a small amount - but without the all new (well second hand) electric wheelchair (with bonus omg so helping the pain recline function), previously the super scooter(tm), I would not be able to work. As I do research on mobile infrastructure free software for emergencies and disasters, and lecture in computer science, that makes a difference to to the world, my family - and my state of mind.

So yar boo sucks to those who don't need it - but wish the world would stop judging us all the same. Because I can walk a small amount, I am not able - I am the highest category of disability there is, and in such pain that some days I am vomiting from it, and a whimpering into the darkness to die (quietly so my family doesn't hear)...

And again, you usurpers of car parks and othr aids to life that we cannot function without, but just make your life a bit quicker, sod off.
2013-03-28 07:57:31 PM
3 votes:

p51d007: You see the same thing when you drive into any retail store parking lot.  How many times do you
see someone with a handicap placard, or license plate, get out of the vehicle and sprint into the
store?  Doctors give these things out like candy.  I think that if you aren't in a wheelchair, walker,
cane, or a heart condition, you should be able to shoot em in the foot so they have a REAL NEED
for the handicap placard....unless it means MENTAL handicap.


My dad's not wheelchair bound, but he makes legitimate use of handicap places.  Much of his back is fused rigid while his elbows and ankles have been mashed to pulp from decades of hard labor(despite having asthma from a very young age) and broken off bone spurs. He's only able to walk or stand up for very short periods of time.

I find it annoying when people who do not suffer try to tell others when their suffering is enough.

Like this asshole:

pounddawg: I'm fat because my knees and back are bad

No. Your knees and back are bad because you are fat.


Yes, there are some fat entitled pricks out there.  Your prejudice is as clear as that of Westboro Baptist's prejudice against gays.  Fat people are gross, we get it.  No need to actively villify them, they're not harming you.

Please, go get hit by a train.
/preferably on a section of track my dad laid in the 1960s
2013-03-28 07:49:43 PM
3 votes:

p51d007: You see the same thing when you drive into any retail store parking lot.  How many times do you
see someone with a handicap placard, or license plate, get out of the vehicle and sprint into the
store?  Doctors give these things out like candy.  I think that if you aren't in a wheelchair, walker,
cane, or a heart condition, you should be able to shoot em in the foot so they have a REAL NEED
for the handicap placard....unless it means MENTAL handicap.


I am certain it's the family members that are taking the placard & using it in their own vehicles.
to me that's worse, they know how beneficial the parking space is when it's necessary for their family and then go on to abuse it and FARK other people.
2013-03-28 07:40:20 PM
3 votes:
I used to work for a company the supplied powerchairs.  It's not that easy to get Medicare to pay for these even for people that really need them.
2013-03-29 12:55:14 AM
2 votes:

pounddawg: I'm fat because my knees and back are bad

No. Your knees and back are bad because you are fat.


Spoken by a person who never had to exercise for a living.  Our laborers and military veterans salute you, with one finger.
2013-03-28 10:45:09 PM
2 votes:

incrdbil: There are no reasonable screening practices applied to many of our safety net programs, whihc is why I'm in favor of chucking many of them for reliance on proivate Charity. Our government perhaps can run some of them better, but it chooses not to, and is far more prone to waste.



So if someone has a birth defect, is disabled due to a botched operation, gets injured on the job, etc, their entire existence should be supported by charities that barely even support themselves and don't even operate in many regions of the country?

Why not just bring out the death panels and be done with it. At least that way those ebil leeching cripples won't be taking your precious charity money away from worthwhile causes like handing out free guns to people in high-crime areas.
2013-03-28 10:05:03 PM
2 votes:

PeregrineBF: There are many legitimate reasons to use a powered wheelchair/scooter. Being obese is not one of them. Giving obese people an excuse to not exercise is being an enabler. we don't give free pyrex to meth heads, why help those addicted to food fulfill their desires?


Not sure if troll.
Body is a temple zealot?

Obese =/= Food addiction
Obese =/= Doesn't excercise

Fun fact, some people eat "right" and do a lot of work/exercise and still gain weight.  But having not read the thread, you probably won't see this either.  The way the body functions, it has a wide variety of things it can do with the food it gets, it is not nearly so simple as haters try to make it sound.

Some girls get nice big tits. or a nice full ass, and if it stops there, great!  Perfectly healthy!  If it is distributed elsewhere in differing amounts, it's seen as a gross negligence.  You people think going bald is a result from wearing hats too often as well?  Chocolate gives zits?

It's never mental illness? Crazy hormones? (do you people not meet many women? some go farking nuts once a month from a not so very drastic and normal change in hormones, known pregnant ladies that cannot stop eating?  Seen dudes roid rage?  That's not "drugs" that's a testosterone overload. How about people with pituitary issues that are like 7 feet tall.  Hormones can seriously fark a person up, mentally and physically.  ) Physical injury? Debilitating nervous system damage from disease or trauma?

No, it's always laziness and greed.

Not sure why that viewpoint consistently amazes me, all of fark's armchair experts argue from the point of view limited to their own very narrow experience but it always shows the brightest in these threads.

Hell, if a signature of intelligence is the ability to recognize a reality that is larger and more varied than your existence, mankind fails as a whole.

I want to see a chart that demonstrates your(collective you) prejudice on other issues.  Of course you say you aren't racist, that's a legally protected thing, but it's the very same mentality here.  Hell, it still doesn't even stop some of you from being blatantly bigoted in those areas, racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.
2013-03-28 09:24:32 PM
2 votes:
Obama, keep your government hands off our Medicare!

www.idiotsholdingsigns.com
2013-03-28 08:31:49 PM
2 votes:
CSB

I have a buddy who worked at a for profit college. I asked him once about the whole college loan debacle and how broke people who barely graduated from high school could get massive student loans. He said "it's like that commercial for the scooter place where the guy says 'we'll work with your doctor, insurance, and medicare. if there's a way we'll find it'. They're scamming a government program and cashing in. The for profit colleges are running the same scam but on a bigger government program that is immensely more profitable. They will do whatever it takes to get that federal student loan money. They know every trick of the system."

/He called their corporate HQ building in Schaumburg 'the scam palace'
2013-03-28 08:24:17 PM
2 votes:
I spent a week at Disney World recently, and these damn things are the scourge of humanity. I look forward to the day they become self aware and terminate their occupants.
2013-03-28 08:17:54 PM
2 votes:

prjindigo: BAN CORN SYRUP YOU STUPID farkS


Please note, there is a major difference between "corn syrup" (such as Karo) and "high fructose corn syrup" (such as found in US sodas).

The former is pretty much an innocuous confectioner's tool used to prevent early crystallization during candy making. It's little more than liquid glucose. Any health issues from this are simply from eating too many sweets habitually, as glucose is a barely-sweet form of sugar your body makes by default. It's quite literally blood-sugar.

The latter is the much-demonized sweetener that's omnipresent in processed foods and (possibly) has strange metabolic effects and fattening qualities. Its resemblance to regular "corn syrup" is in name only.
2013-03-28 08:14:14 PM
2 votes:
Fark is a funny place. People make the snarkiest jokes about anything and everything, with the full support of the other denizens.
Until someone's Sacred Cow is stepped on. Then we're all a"bunch of assholes".

/no one better say anything about the Starland Vocal Band. No one.
2013-03-28 08:02:11 PM
2 votes:

i_dig_chicks: I used to work for a company the supplied powerchairs.  It's not that easy to get Medicare to pay for these even for people that really need them.


That's the thing: according to the Scooter Store they already screen out nearly the same percent of people who don't qualify and still a vast majority of people don't meet the qualifications to get one. Strictly speaking Medicare is only supposed to buy them for people so bad off they can't function using a cane, walker, or wheelchair. By that definition a hell of a lot of people shouldn't qualify. This is always a problem with benefits: you limit the definition to prevent abuse, but you're always stuck with some people getting away with fraud and others getting legitimate claims denied.
2013-03-28 07:42:48 PM
2 votes:
i2.cdnds.net
2013-03-28 07:39:56 PM
2 votes:
www.bannedinhollywood.com
2013-03-28 07:33:14 PM
2 votes:
That's why my mom refuses to get one.  She can hardly get around anymore.  She sees a mobility scooter as the end of the road.  You get one when you've given up and become worthless.
2013-03-29 03:40:33 PM
1 votes:

kiwimoogle84: I'm well aware that people can't get over altered mental states in a snap of fingers, but they do need to realize that they need help, and listen to physicians when they tell them that very thing. It's just a hard place to get to, and it's a shame these people don't seek help when it first becomes a problem- it's a much shallower hole to climb out of.


One physician that tells them they need change isn't enough.  Our perception as a society isn't healthy enough for that.  look at the autism -vs- vaccine debate.  A lot of people listened to one guy, and still a lot of people don't listen to the plethora of evidence against that.  Physicians themselves are held up to a skeptical light, because people don't like to hear news they don't like, and are validated by others that have more legitimate skepticism.

Again, it boils down to flawed human reasoning.

I think it's similar to the gun control debate about the state of mental health care system.  The populace just doesn't care enough to make it better, same with public education.  Sure, we all would support the change, but no one really pushes for it.  There are other concerns, so, despite the growing evidence of problems, we shove it to the side and worry about other things, and it lies forgotten.

Neither is really a vote changing concept at large(people won't change their vote because of other issues they care more about), so even politicians can "afford" to take a neutral stance, and nothing gets done.

The systems falter, or don't grow with the need, then they become stagnant and fetid. It is a self sustaining problem, we lack education, and because of that, we don't see the problem growing, and the problem compounds.

We're still suffering from the mentality of teaching people what to think, now how to think.
2013-03-29 03:22:55 PM
1 votes:

omeganuepsilon: kiwimoogle84: Snap out of it.

Sometimes that can work, but only for the simplest of cases and early enough where thought patterns are not too established.

Very seldom to people just "snap out of it", they got that way from being snapped and there aren't typically easy cures for change. I think this is a misconception stemming from the concept displayed in cartoons.  Character gets hit in the head, and remembers when he'shiat again.  More usually that will result in a concussion or disability.

Demonstration of the flawed theory:  Telling a rape victim to just snap out of it.  To get over it.

I agree, some of it is stupidity.  Like I said, some people can talk themselves into thinking they're doing right.  It's what's known as rationalization.  People rationalize things like racism, bigotry, and even anti-fat people sentiments, as you've witnessed in this thread, and a million other little fallacies.  In actuality it's a defense mechanism.  It's a way of coping with life's woe's and problems.  If we didn't have it, we'd snap more often.

Although, while the human psyche can be resilient in some cases, it an also be brittle and just snap.  Once it snaps, it takes not just effort on her part, but likely therapy and the support of others, and spoiled as the kid is, he'd maybe need assistance as well.

That's why we use the word "spoiled" by the way, no longer good or viable.  Some people are salvagable, they can be repaired, but are not all able to repair themselves.  If that were the case if we were all capable of making a simple decision and sticking to it, fat people depressed they're fat wouldn't mostly stay that way.

It'd be nice if we were all able to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, but that's not the way reality works, it's a fairly rare thing.  Human beings are flawed things, only creationists and similar zealots will argue otherwise.  There are no magical solutions and quite often we can't get to a healthy place by ourselves.

This is why we have docto ...


I'm well aware that people can't get over altered mental states in a snap of fingers, but they do need to realize that they need help, and listen to physicians when they tell them that very thing. It's just a hard place to get to, and it's a shame these people don't seek help when it first becomes a problem- it's a much shallower hole to climb out of.
2013-03-29 01:58:36 PM
1 votes:

DrExplosion: omeganuepsilon: DrExplosion: You always have the physical ability to shove less food down your gullet. Fat people just lack the will to do so.

Your "perfect" argument lacks 2 ideas.

They assume perfect knowledge and mental function.

Comatose people have the physical ability to tie their shoes, anyone who doesn't tie their shoes just lacks the will.

Newsflash: Brain function plays a huge roll in what we are able to accomplish.  It is a limiting factor for a lot of people, in a wide variety of ways.  This amount of people is so numerous that people are only half joking when they say "Everyone has one mental problem or another."

/speaking of not having the decency to die
//walk in front of a bus moran

Anyone who is not severely retarded is aware that eating lots of food makes you fat, and that you can stop being fat by eating less food. It hardly requires "perfect knowledge." And if someone is so lacking in mental function that they truly can't stop eating, then they're also incapable of feeding themselves in the first place. In that case, it is an abusive caregiver who is forcing them to be fat.

Is it possible that a caregiver would grossly overfeed a severely disabled person? Yes, I have to admit that it is, and I wouldn't even be surprised to see recorded instances of it happening. But it's ridiculous to use such an unlikely scenario as an excuse for the overwhelming majority of people who could stop being fat if they would just limit themselves to one Big Mac a day instead of three.


Found myself watching half ton teen once, and there was this kid who was like 600 lbs, and his mom was the enabler- gave him everything he wanted since his dad died to make him happy. She totally tried to justify the groceries she was buying too, like "Oh he likes vegetables too, he loves broccoli with cheese sauce." Woman, that kid didn't get to be three times the size of a normal human from eating broccoli. Snap out of it.
2013-03-29 01:37:34 PM
1 votes:

omeganuepsilon: DrExplosion: You always have the physical ability to shove less food down your gullet. Fat people just lack the will to do so.

Your "perfect" argument lacks 2 ideas.

They assume perfect knowledge and mental function.

Comatose people have the physical ability to tie their shoes, anyone who doesn't tie their shoes just lacks the will.

Newsflash: Brain function plays a huge roll in what we are able to accomplish.  It is a limiting factor for a lot of people, in a wide variety of ways.  This amount of people is so numerous that people are only half joking when they say "Everyone has one mental problem or another."

/speaking of not having the decency to die
//walk in front of a bus moran


Anyone who is not severely retarded is aware that eating lots of food makes you fat, and that you can stop being fat by eating less food. It hardly requires "perfect knowledge." And if someone is so lacking in mental function that they truly can't stop eating, then they're also incapable of feeding themselves in the first place. In that case, it is an abusive caregiver who is forcing them to be fat.

Is it possible that a caregiver would grossly overfeed a severely disabled person? Yes, I have to admit that it is, and I wouldn't even be surprised to see recorded instances of it happening. But it's ridiculous to use such an unlikely scenario as an excuse for the overwhelming majority of people who could stop being fat if they would just limit themselves to one Big Mac a day instead of three.
2013-03-29 01:11:19 PM
1 votes:

omeganuepsilon: Gyrfalcon: It seems the Mayo Clinic agrees more

Bolding parts at random and pretending the other words don't exist does not back up the absolute claim of gluttony/sloth that we're pointing out as false.


She completely shredded your unsubstantiated argument with facts presented in your own link. Bail, dude,
B-A-I-L while you can!
2013-03-29 12:43:49 PM
1 votes:

p51d007: You see the same thing when you drive into any retail store parking lot.  How many times do you
see someone with a handicap placard, or license plate, get out of the vehicle and sprint into the
store?  Doctors give these things out like candy.  I think that if you aren't in a wheelchair, walker,
cane, or a heart condition
, you should be able to shoot em in the foot so they have a REAL NEED
for the handicap placard....unless it means MENTAL handicap.


You don't seem to realize how debilitating Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease can be, do you?  My daughter in her 20's is constantly taking inhalers and breathing treatments, and even walking short distances can render her barely able to breath.  Feel free to glare at her though as her healthy appearing self gets out of her car in the handicapped spot, since you seem to think every handicap is visible to the naked eye.  Of course, you did list heart condition in your criteria - that's not visible either, is it?  So how do you know the person you're judging doesn't have it?
2013-03-29 11:44:12 AM
1 votes:

Atomic Spunk: The Scooter Store idiots should have learned from those boneheads that used to advertise about tax settlements, where people claimed that they settled with the IRS for pennies on the dollar. When your tagline involves taking advantage of government largesse, you WILL get punished or shut down.


I still see those ads on TV pretty regularly.  I have to draw the conclusion that it would be cheaper to not pay your income tax and hire one of these lawyers to get the IRS to settle for pennies on the dollar.  There's no downside, right?
2013-03-29 06:14:27 AM
1 votes:

Gwyrddu: Gergesa: I forget what it was called but awhile ago there was an anime movie where a company produced a sort of mobile health care unit for the elderly.  The unit would provide medical care while at the same time taking the elderly patient out for exercise.  The plot line involved a nurse who was assigned to oversee a patient that was put into one of these units(the unit somehow acquired the personality of his deceased wife) and the unit went crazy and refused to obey its program directives.

Instead, through a series of comical events, it took its patient on a wild and crazy ride through the city and eventually the company CEO(who was a sympathetic character) got involved and had to promise the machine he would handle the elderly with a more human approach.  Oh and the machine squared off against some military version of itself and the two machines battled it out but anyway I am looking forward to when that becomes a reality.

I saw that Anime as well, probably 15 years ago. Damn if I remember what it was called though (It wasn't Gyo).


It was Roujin Z http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102812/

Image for reference
upload.wikimedia.org
2013-03-29 02:16:30 AM
1 votes:

Dinjiin: One more reason why medical devices and prescription drugs should not be allowed to advertise.  If you need a scooter, your GP should bring it up, not the other way around.


They don't just advertise, they're relentless. Somehow I got on a mailing list for a scooter company, and I've been sending their business-reply envelopes back with increasingly vitriolic comments, but so far I've been unable to convince them that I'm quite able-bodied and have utterly no need for a scooter. I'm thinking I'm going to have to climb a tree and send them a picture of me perched in the branches to convince them, because so far, nothing else has.
2013-03-29 02:09:46 AM
1 votes:

kiwimoogle84: but I'll GO. As long as I have mobility, I'm ok with suffering for it later.


As time goes on, you'll notice that "later" bit gets sooner and sooner and maybe lasts longer as well

You'll probably notice it within five-ten years.  Then it'll seem to plateau but it's just a slow downgrade(as long as you don't further damage it) from normal wear and tear.  Within another ten years you'll certainly be avoiding some things, possibly many except special occasions, and it gets progressively worse from there if you insist on using it.

/have a big family and I'm the youngest, seen all their ailments catch up with them, the ones that played sports were the worst off by far,
//just getting to that point now where I'm noticing suffering for it sooner
2013-03-29 02:05:01 AM
1 votes:

Doom MD: Banned on the Run: i_dig_chicks: I used to work for a company the supplied powerchairs.  It's not that easy to get Medicare to pay for these even for people that really need them.

Your company isn't trying hard slimy enough.

I (as a doc) get these requests all the time from companies that advertise "We'll give you your chair for free, and if Medicare doesn't cover it, it's still yours!"

I had a patient who needed just a walker but got one of these.  The chair company sent the form back to me 4 times, as how I filled it out would not get the chair approved, each time more specific about how they needed it filled out (highlighted sections, post-it notes).  The last time I had to write "This patient does not require a power chair" in the margin.

farking thieves.

Drives me goddamn nuts. Even worse lately are the skeezy diabetic supply outfits from Florida. I had one patient they were faxing over 4 forms a week for who wasn't even a diabetic.


Miami mostly? My wife sells capital medical equipment and we used to live in FL. Always enjoyed the stories of sketchy docs, mostly in miami who ran blood tests all the time just because it was profitable. I hate to stereotype but it was mostly latin people. Different culture I suppose.
2013-03-29 01:56:53 AM
1 votes:
I worked at a doctor's office and there was a patient who was trying to get a scooter through disability. The doctor I worked for wanted the patient to get out and walk and with diet and exercise she would have a better quality of life. Needless to say he refused to sign off on the scooter.  She complained to his boss and got her scooter.
2013-03-29 12:34:27 AM
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Goddamn how lazy do you have to be to give up on walking?!?


You've obviously never had significant foot/knee/back/hip issues.

I had a persistent arch injury, but I kept walking anyways, just not as much. Luckily I found 2 perfect pairs of soft hikers that almost eliminated the pain(If you have these kind of issues, pain can return in hips and back and knees while sitting later). It's been about two and a half years since the injury and I've been recovered pretty much completely for several months at least. i have to wear proper cushioned/supporting footwear pretty much always, but I'm back to normal and can walk long distances without trouble again.
2013-03-29 12:33:10 AM
1 votes:
On principle I agree with the scooter store that they should be allowed to make their potential customers aware of the product.  That is advertising. What crosses the line for me is when the company works as an agent, contacting doctors and actively assisting clients with filing government forms.  At this point, the customer can almost be forgiven for committing fraud in collusion with the scooter store because they are victims of the company's brainwashing.  They may not realize the extent of their crime because they are told "just call and see if you qualify to get a scooter".  Ultimately a person knows whether they are using the scooter for convenience or necessity, and that information should be discussed with a physician, with the decision left in the physician's hands, along with the rest of the medical history.  I do have a serious problem with marketing to physicians. Physicians need to remain unbiased.
2013-03-28 11:54:20 PM
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Government says 80% of scooters and electric wheelchairs Medicare buys go to lazy fat people who complain incessantly about Big Government waste, taxes and helping the poors.


The fundraiser where Mitt Romney made his infamous "47% of people are dependent on the government" comment, was hosted by Marc Leder, the CEO of Sun Capital.  I'll give you one guess as to what one of their most profitable subsidiary companies is
2013-03-28 11:38:14 PM
1 votes:

Molavian: nocturnal001: Phineas: Nadie_AZ: Government says 80% of scooters and electric wheelchairs Medicare buys go to lazy fat people who complain incessantly about Big Government waste, taxes and helping the poors.

Right, because poor people are never fat and lazy

You libs should be thrilled about this anyway, since you get hard-ons from giving stuff away to fat, lazy people.

Well, we do send a lot of money to the red states...

Even more to buy the urban vote.


Yup, those folks in the ghetto are living high off the hog!

Seriously though, it is definitely a fact that red states receive more federal tax money than they contribute.  Can you back up the claim that urban areas receive the same benefit? (aside from claiming that they are being "bought")   I don't think you can.
2013-03-28 11:34:29 PM
1 votes:

omeganuepsilon: PeregrineBF: There are many legitimate reasons to use a powered wheelchair/scooter. Being obese is not one of them. Giving obese people an excuse to not exercise is being an enabler. we don't give free pyrex to meth heads, why help those addicted to food fulfill their desires?

Not sure if troll.
Body is a temple zealot?

Obese =/= Food addiction
Obese =/= Doesn't excercise

Fun fact, some people eat "right" and do a lot of work/exercise and still gain weight.  But having not read the thread, you probably won't see this either.  The way the body functions, it has a wide variety of things it can do with the food it gets, it is not nearly so simple as haters try to make it sound.

Some girls get nice big tits. or a nice full ass, and if it stops there, great!  Perfectly healthy!  If it is distributed elsewhere in differing amounts, it's seen as a gross negligence.  You people think going bald is a result from wearing hats too often as well?  Chocolate gives zits?

It's never mental illness? Crazy hormones? (do you people not meet many women? some go farking nuts once a month from a not so very drastic and normal change in hormones, known pregnant ladies that cannot stop eating?  Seen dudes roid rage?  That's not "drugs" that's a testosterone overload. How about people with pituitary issues that are like 7 feet tall.  Hormones can seriously fark a person up, mentally and physically.  ) Physical injury? Debilitating nervous system damage from disease or trauma?

No, it's always laziness and greed.

Not sure why that viewpoint consistently amazes me, all of fark's armchair experts argue from the point of view limited to their own very narrow experience but it always shows the brightest in these threads.

Hell, if a signature of intelligence is the ability to recognize a reality that is larger and more varied than your existence, mankind fails as a whole.

I want to see a chart that demonstrates your(collective you) prejudice on other issues.  Of course you say you aren't ...


I think you are half right.

The people who yell out "lol put down the fork!" dont' know what the hell they are talking about. Our world is full of toxic food designed to make you over eat, and you are either vulernable to that or you have some lucky combination of genetics that allows you to be unaffected. It would not be nearly as acceptable to tell alcoholics to "lol just don't drink!", and that is compounded by the fact that everyone HAS to eat some food so anyone with food issues is always exposed to their drug of choice. There is something wrong in their makeup, mental issues, or physical ones that make them overeat. Thyroid issues for example can cause people that eat very normaly to continue putting on weight as the medical issue they have is slowing down their metabolism. Once people are fat, they tend to be miserable and food is what makes them happy again for a bit.  Sadly, this is much more likely in the poor as they have the combo of lower average intelligence and lower education. These people are miserable.  We may find them gross to look at, but they don't need so much hatred. That is easy to say, but hard to practice.  I fly for work several times a month, and it makes my life hell when a big fatty sits next to me for example.

On the other hand, there are of course degrees of weight issues.  I was chubby as a kid, and I've worked my whole life (early 30s) to stay fit.  I am successful, but it's not always as easy as people claim.  There are some people out there who can eat whatever and not gain weight, while others (like me) have to be selective in order avoid gaining. At the other end of the scale are people that gain weight much easier than I do and they have it that much harder.  But, and this is a big but, probably wouldn't fit in a scooter, food intake still follows the rules of physics.  It can be super hard for somebody to control their eating due to a chemical issue in their brain, but that doesn't mean that if they eat less they won't lose weight. At the end of the day it's calories in vs calories out, and even a low metabolism still needs X calories to run your brain, heart etc.

We are all on different spots on the "how easy is it to stay in shape scale" (note I didn't say healthy as plenty of naturaly skinny folks eat like shiat and punish their bodies) but that doesn't mean that it is impossible for people to lose weight.  It's not disimiliar from the arguments about being able to succede if you are born poor vs rich.  Anyone can do it (assuming you get mental help if needed) but it's a fark of a lot harder for some.
2013-03-28 10:11:38 PM
1 votes:

omeganuepsilon: PeregrineBF: There are many legitimate reasons to use a powered wheelchair/scooter. Being obese is not one of them. Giving obese people an excuse to not exercise is being an enabler. we don't give free pyrex to meth heads, why help those addicted to food fulfill their desires?

Not sure if troll.
Body is a temple zealot?

Obese =/= Food addiction
Obese =/= Doesn't excercise

Fun fact, some people eat "right" and do a lot of work/exercise and still gain weight.  But having not read the thread, you probably won't see this either.  The way the body functions, it has a wide variety of things it can do with the food it gets, it is not nearly so simple as haters try to make it sound.

Some girls get nice big tits. or a nice full ass, and if it stops there, great!  Perfectly healthy!  If it is distributed elsewhere in differing amounts, it's seen as a gross negligence.  You people think going bald is a result from wearing hats too often as well?  Chocolate gives zits?

It's never mental illness? Crazy hormones? (do you people not meet many women? some go farking nuts once a month from a not so very drastic and normal change in hormones, known pregnant ladies that cannot stop eating?  Seen dudes roid rage?  That's not "drugs" that's a testosterone overload. How about people with pituitary issues that are like 7 feet tall.  Hormones can seriously fark a person up, mentally and physically.  ) Physical injury? Debilitating nervous system damage from disease or trauma?

No, it's always laziness and greed.

Not sure why that viewpoint consistently amazes me, all of fark's armchair experts argue from the point of view limited to their own very narrow experience but it always shows the brightest in these threads.

Hell, if a signature of intelligence is the ability to recognize a reality that is larger and more varied than your existence, mankind fails as a whole.

I want to see a chart that demonstrates your(collective you) prejudice on other issues.  Of course you say you aren't ...


If only science were on your side...
2013-03-28 09:48:51 PM
1 votes:

Phineas: Nadie_AZ: Government says 80% of scooters and electric wheelchairs Medicare buys go to lazy fat people who complain incessantly about Big Government waste, taxes and helping the poors.

Right, because poor people are never fat and lazy

You libs should be thrilled about this anyway, since you get hard-ons from giving stuff away to fat, lazy people.


Well, we do send a lot of money to the red states...
2013-03-28 09:16:43 PM
1 votes:
I'm wondering if the only reason I don't have a job yet in this economy is because my heart simply isn't black enough.

At least the Fed raid on The Scooter Store made for good entertainment.
2013-03-28 08:35:01 PM
1 votes:

Isitoveryet: p51d007: You see the same thing when you drive into any retail store parking lot.  How many times do you
see someone with a handicap placard, or license plate, get out of the vehicle and sprint into the
store?  Doctors give these things out like candy.  I think that if you aren't in a wheelchair, walker,
cane, or a heart condition, you should be able to shoot em in the foot so they have a REAL NEED
for the handicap placard....unless it means MENTAL handicap.

I am certain it's the family members that are taking the placard & using it in their own vehicles.
to me that's worse, they know how beneficial the parking space is when it's necessary for their family and then go on to abuse it and FARK other people.


I once saw a guy I knew - my age, young - pull into a place with a handicapped placard. He said it was his grandma's, and he used it to get good parking. I flipped out and told him I'd fark his car up if he walked into the store without moving his car.

I couldn't handle it because he was this pious, annoying Christian who could never shut up about his religion. And besides his obnoxious proselytizing, a decent person anyway. It was insane that he would pull shiat like that.
2013-03-28 08:32:38 PM
1 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: people like that simply do not get it, nor do they care to. they are emotional children in adult bodies. i suspect their mental capacity is similar to their emotional capacity for compassion, and therefore, logic escapes them.


Well, yeah.  I just entertain myself by calling them out.
It's also the principle of the thing though, if they go unopposed other people may begin to think it's suitable behavior.

Meh, I get up to stupid shiat when I'm bored.
/laid up with a broken foot myself
//wasn't just that it broke down because I'm fat either
///farking ice
2013-03-28 08:32:15 PM
1 votes:

pounddawg: I'm fat because my knees and back are bad

No. Your knees and back are bad because you are fat.


Im now fat (not like hover round, just like a beer gut) because I fracked up my feet and ankles in a stairs accident.

I was never fat before said accident, but my ankles are bad because Im fat according to your professional diagnosis, right?
2013-03-28 08:28:25 PM
1 votes:
One sad, yet interesting, side-effect of the Scooter Store's downfall is that a large number of ex-employees (including my mother, unfortunately) place the blame squarely on Obama, rather than the company's questionable business practices.
2013-03-28 08:08:50 PM
1 votes:

Lehk: Gulper Eel: You couldn't design a better program of big-government self-perpetuation combined with corporate welfare for the medical-industrial complex if you tried - and the best part is, it's dressed up as compassion for seniors so no politician dares touch a bit of it.

and now everyone can tell that you didn't bother to read the article.

"big government" is doing something about it and one of the parasite companies is being gutted by reduced payments and stricter review of eligibility.


It's for show. The people running the Scooter Store are the low-hanging fruit.

There are hundreds, maybe thousands of Medicare scams. When the heat comes down on one, the perpetrators move on to a different scam.
2013-03-28 08:05:39 PM
1 votes:
Mr Theologian's doctor told us up front that she had to examine him and his medical records before filing the paperwork. His back is messed up, and he had a few falls. And she said: yup, he needed it. Later, the Scooter Store rep called us and mentioned that the doctor's report was the most extensive and stringent they ever read. The rep came with the power chair, and he told us that it was a good thing Mr Theologian got the chair before the New Year as rules and regs would be much stricter and the patient would have to pay more out-of-pocket. (Looking back, I wondered if he was waiting for the feds to raid the company.)
2013-03-28 08:05:31 PM
1 votes:
BAN CORN SYRUP YOU STUPID farkS
2013-03-28 08:05:24 PM
1 votes:

Gergesa: I forget what it was called but awhile ago there was an anime movie where a company produced a sort of mobile health care unit for the elderly.  The unit would provide medical care while at the same time taking the elderly patient out for exercise.  The plot line involved a nurse who was assigned to oversee a patient that was put into one of these units(the unit somehow acquired the personality of his deceased wife) and the unit went crazy and refused to obey its program directives.

Instead, through a series of comical events, it took its patient on a wild and crazy ride through the city and eventually the company CEO(who was a sympathetic character) got involved and had to promise the machine he would handle the elderly with a more human approach.  Oh and the machine squared off against some military version of itself and the two machines battled it out but anyway I am looking forward to when that becomes a reality.


We remember Gyo very very differently methinks
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2013-03-28 08:04:26 PM
1 votes:

Isitoveryet: kidgenius: Isitoveryet: onlyadistraction: Fat people disgust me. I saw an obese woman driving her scooter back to her government housing project the other day with 48 cans of soda in her basket... Americans make me sick

Technically, you make yourself sick.

No, sometimes it is the fat people. Bathing becomes an issue sometimes and the BO is absolutely flattening. Takes all I can to keep from hurling.

you can rest assured that they'll die soon & you won't have to be offended anymore.
poor snowflake.


I have a co-worker who uses two of those things--one at home and one at work, since his car isn't able to transport it.  He has severe diabetes from the fact that he is nearly 500 pounds, and eats, at the office, on a daily basis, about 8 packages of various little debbies snacks, a 1200-calorie lunch, 6-10 sodas, and then talks about how he gorges himself "for supper".  His desk is the most disgusting place in the building, covered in dead skin and the floor has been caked in food stuffs that have been ground into the carpet after he missed his face with his spoon or fork, and the food managed to roll down his belly where it was rolled over by the chair.  He farts about 20 times an hour, sleeps a third of any given work day, and makes life generally difficult for everyone else.
But he works for the government, so his "benefits" are untouchable.  But he has spent a huge portion of the last few months biatching about how he deserves more and the sequester is going to screw him up.
But don't worry, he's going to retire soon, with his benefits maxed out.  And he'll probably be dead by Christmas, probably from Thanksgiving dinner.
2013-03-28 08:02:10 PM
1 votes:

Allen262: Atomic Spunk: The Scooter Store idiots should have learned from those boneheads that used to advertise about tax settlements, where people claimed that they settled with the IRS for pennies on the dollar. When your tagline involves taking advantage of government largesse, you WILL get punished or shut down.

Strange.. I still see them.


Even when people like Roni Deutch, American Tax Relief and Taxmasters are shut down, other firms jump in to take their place because it's such an extremely lucrative business. The newer ones have toned down their message from their predecessors, though, because the government usually goes after them on fraud charges. They can't overinflate their success rates, which is what the Scooter Store appears to be doing.
2013-03-28 07:58:45 PM
1 votes:

pxlboy: p51d007: You see the same thing when you drive into any retail store parking lot.  How many times do you
see someone with a handicap placard, or license plate, get out of the vehicle and sprint into the
store?  Doctors give these things out like candy.  I think that if you aren't in a wheelchair, walker,
cane, or a heart condition, you should be able to shoot em in the foot so they have a REAL NEED
for the handicap placard....unless it means MENTAL handicap.

This.


Pretty much. I've known people who had the placard because they were in fact psychologically disabled--but usually that meant the family member was doing the driving and grandma had Alzheimers or whatever and needed the close-in parking space so they didn't lose her on the way back to the car.

What it should be is, there should be different grades of tags--if you yourself are disabled but can drive, you get one kind of tag; if you need to drive around a disabled family member, you get another, and that one is ONLY good if the person is actually in the car. You don't get to use grammy's tag to run down and pick up her meds or do some quick shopping.
2013-03-28 07:56:17 PM
1 votes:

pxlboy: I remember when I worked for the local mall a number of years back and the *really* elderly folks complaining to management because either what you described would happen or it was some random asshole parking there just because s/he was an asshole.


and that's just it, assholes.

i say scrap the handicap spaces & make it a first come first serve situation at least that way the spaces won't be available to the assholes OR the handicap!  I say, let'em walk, scoot, coast or crawl.
2013-03-28 07:54:57 PM
1 votes:

Isitoveryet: kidgenius: Isitoveryet: onlyadistraction: Fat people disgust me. I saw an obese woman driving her scooter back to her government housing project the other day with 48 cans of soda in her basket... Americans make me sick

Technically, you make yourself sick.

No, sometimes it is the fat people. Bathing becomes an issue sometimes and the BO is absolutely flattening. Takes all I can to keep from hurling.

you can rest assured that they'll die soon & you won't have to be offended anymore.
poor snowflake.


This may come as a surprise to you, but most people are fat by choice
2013-03-28 07:53:25 PM
1 votes:
Goddamn how lazy do you have to be to give up on walking?!?
2013-03-28 07:51:45 PM
1 votes:

kidgenius: Isitoveryet: onlyadistraction: Fat people disgust me. I saw an obese woman driving her scooter back to her government housing project the other day with 48 cans of soda in her basket... Americans make me sick

Technically, you make yourself sick.

No, sometimes it is the fat people. Bathing becomes an issue sometimes and the BO is absolutely flattening. Takes all I can to keep from hurling.


you can rest assured that they'll die soon & you won't have to be offended anymore.
poor snowflake.
2013-03-28 07:50:16 PM
1 votes:

p51d007: You see the same thing when you drive into any retail store parking lot.  How many times do you
see someone with a handicap placard, or license plate, get out of the vehicle and sprint into the
store?  Doctors give these things out like candy.  I think that if you aren't in a wheelchair, walker,
cane, or a heart condition, you should be able to shoot em in the foot so they have a REAL NEED
for the handicap placard....unless it means MENTAL handicap.


This.
2013-03-28 07:44:42 PM
1 votes:
You see the same thing when you drive into any retail store parking lot.  How many times do you
see someone with a handicap placard, or license plate, get out of the vehicle and sprint into the
store?  Doctors give these things out like candy.  I think that if you aren't in a wheelchair, walker,
cane, or a heart condition, you should be able to shoot em in the foot so they have a REAL NEED
for the handicap placard....unless it means MENTAL handicap.
2013-03-28 07:42:31 PM
1 votes:

BSABSVR: [www.bannedinhollywood.com image 500x375]


Is that even a person? Surely you jest.
2013-03-28 07:42:01 PM
1 votes:
I forget what it was called but awhile ago there was an anime movie where a company produced a sort of mobile health care unit for the elderly.  The unit would provide medical care while at the same time taking the elderly patient out for exercise.  The plot line involved a nurse who was assigned to oversee a patient that was put into one of these units(the unit somehow acquired the personality of his deceased wife) and the unit went crazy and refused to obey its program directives.

Instead, through a series of comical events, it took its patient on a wild and crazy ride through the city and eventually the company CEO(who was a sympathetic character) got involved and had to promise the machine he would handle the elderly with a more human approach.  Oh and the machine squared off against some military version of itself and the two machines battled it out but anyway I am looking forward to when that becomes a reality.
2013-03-28 07:41:26 PM
1 votes:

Atomic Spunk: The Scooter Store idiots should have learned from those boneheads that used to advertise about tax settlements, where people claimed that they settled with the IRS for pennies on the dollar. When your tagline involves taking advantage of government largesse, you WILL get punished or shut down.


Strange.. I still see them.
2013-03-28 07:39:30 PM
1 votes:

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Don't worry.  Under ObamaCare, those scooters will be programmed to terminate their occupants at random, thus resolving the problem.


I knew I liked Obooma.
2013-03-28 07:38:06 PM
1 votes:

pounddawg: I'm fat because my knees and back are bad

No. Your knees and back are bad because you are fat.


No, I hurt both my back and knees long before I got fat.  The weight came from eating too much good food and drinking too much rum and whiskey.
2013-03-28 06:55:15 PM
1 votes:
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2013-03-28 06:46:23 PM
1 votes:
crazy rascals
 
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