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2013-03-28 08:37:31 PM

Barricaded Gunman: Smeggy Smurf: No, I hurt both my back and knees long before I got fat. The weight came from eating too much good food and drinking too much rum and whiskey.

Which is in no way your fault. I declare you scooter-eligible. Cheers!  :-)


Bullshiat.  I earned this spare tire.  It's a requirement of all members of my cycling team:

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-28 08:43:54 PM

omeganuepsilon: HindiDiscoMonster: people like that simply do not get it, nor do they care to. they are emotional children in adult bodies. i suspect their mental capacity is similar to their emotional capacity for compassion, and therefore, logic escapes them.

Well, yeah.  I just entertain myself by calling them out.
It's also the principle of the thing though, if they go unopposed other people may begin to think it's suitable behavior.

Meh, I get up to stupid shiat when I'm bored.
/laid up with a broken foot myself
//wasn't just that it broke down because I'm fat either
///farking ice

ice baby

you missed a golden opportunity... here... let me get that for you:
 
2013-03-28 08:45:02 PM
lovethesepicture.files.wordpress.com
My ride
 
2013-03-28 08:48:51 PM

ModernLuddite: I once saw a guy I knew - my age, young - pull into a place with a handicapped placard. He said it was his grandma's, and he used it to get good parking. I flipped out and told him I'd fark his car up if he walked into the store without moving his car.



Handicap placards/tags generally come with a card issued to the disabled person. If a cop asks to check that card, and it's missing or issued to someone not in the car, the fine is identical to parking without a placard.

Unfortunately, it's almost never enforced unless someone calls the police to report it.
 
2013-03-28 08:51:01 PM

stuffy: [lovethesepicture.files.wordpress.com image 850x387]
My ride


I find the lack of a roll bar and a calvin pissing on a Ford logo to be disturbing
 
2013-03-28 08:51:19 PM

stuffy: lovethesepicture.files.wordpress.com
My ride

totoz.eu
 
2013-03-28 09:00:13 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: ///farking ice ice baby


Not bad.  We've had a lot of Snow this winter, many people found an unfortunate licky boom boom down.  Starting to get nice though(50F today), I should be able to enjoy a nice Ice-T outside in about a month.  Not a single Ice Cube though, waters down the drink.

/so terrible
 
2013-03-28 09:09:05 PM

Gergesa: I forget what it was called but awhile ago there was an anime movie where a company produced a sort of mobile health care unit for the elderly.  The unit would provide medical care while at the same time taking the elderly patient out for exercise.  The plot line involved a nurse who was assigned to oversee a patient that was put into one of these units(the unit somehow acquired the personality of his deceased wife) and the unit went crazy and refused to obey its program directives.

Instead, through a series of comical events, it took its patient on a wild and crazy ride through the city and eventually the company CEO(who was a sympathetic character) got involved and had to promise the machine he would handle the elderly with a more human approach.  Oh and the machine squared off against some military version of itself and the two machines battled it out but anyway I am looking forward to when that becomes a reality.


I saw that Anime as well, probably 15 years ago. Damn if I remember what it was called though (It wasn't Gyo).
 
2013-03-28 09:15:15 PM
WhippingBoy:Until someone's Sacred Cow is stepped on. Then we're all a"bunch of assholes".
/no one better say anything about the Starland Vocal Band. No one.


Lolz. Afternoon Delight was atrocious. just kidding
 
2013-03-28 09:16:06 PM
Dr. Jerome Epplin of Litchfield, Ill., who also testified before the Senate, estimates that only about one out of every 10 patients who ask him for a scooter actually needs one. But he said that sales representatives from some scooter companies put pressure on him by accompanying patients to his office. The effect is coercive, he says.

Hey Doc.  You want to fix that?  Here is the line.

"I will write the prescription right after you sign this document stating that you asked me to commit Medicare fraud."

I bet you never see another scooter store representative again!
 
2013-03-28 09:16:43 PM
I'm wondering if the only reason I don't have a job yet in this economy is because my heart simply isn't black enough.

At least the Fed raid on The Scooter Store made for good entertainment.
 
2013-03-28 09:17:44 PM
My friend, who is 80% disabled according to the VA even though I've gone paintballing with him numerous times since he got out of the military, qualified for handicapped tags. He had them put on his wife's SUV. His ailments include a "bad back," a bad ankle, and memory problems. Pisses me off to no end especially when I see an 80+ year old man struggling for at least 5-8 minutes just to get out of his car in the parking lot of the local grocery store and taking another 10 minutes to walk in because all the handicapped spots are full. For God's sake, just because you qualify for something doesn't mean you should take advantage of it!
 
2013-03-28 09:19:58 PM
Isn't being lazy and fat a disability? I think they're not ABLE to do very much.
 
2013-03-28 09:24:32 PM
Obama, keep your government hands off our Medicare!

www.idiotsholdingsigns.com
 
2013-03-28 09:25:01 PM

WhippingBoy: rolladuck: His desk is the most disgusting place in the building, covered in dead skin...

What the hell????


You don't get that fat without molting a few times.
 
2013-03-28 09:26:43 PM

MrSteve007: I think one big problem with scooters is that they're made very, very cheaply, don't hold up to daily use, and are pretty expensive. As the article points out, it doesn't help with 90% of the people using them are indeed just lazy & obese people.

My brother has chronic progressive MS and has been wheelchair bound for about 15 years now. Since he doesn't have the upper body strength to push a chair, but isn't disabled enough to require a power wheelchair, he rolls around in a scooter. A Pride mobility scooter typically lasts him about 12-18 months before it breaks down (at ~$2,000 a pop, they aren't cheap). Almost everything on them are plastic, including the drive gears. Since they're low to the ground, it isn't uncommon to ground out the bottom and end up chafing and breaking the electrical harness. I wish they'd make them a little more durable.

It's not like my bro is a very big guy - his leg muscles are mostly atrophied. He hates being lumped in with all the scooter/handicapped cheaters out there. Most of those landwhales are also taking up all the handicapped hotel rooms, parking spaces, airplane seats, etc - farking over truly handicapped people.[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x564]


If I am not mistaken that is a Go-Go HD traveller. That should not cost 2k, like $1600 tops. If he needs something with suspension they make them but you loose the break down ability of the Go-Go. have him look into a Victory sport, should be no more than $2200. They have suspension but are 4 wheel and not as maneuverable. Or check this outhttp://www.invacare.com/cgi-bin/imhqprd/inv_catalog/prod_cat_detai l.js p?s=0&prodID=AIRPTMBDY20&catOID=-536891673
It breaks down and is very comfortable, plus easy to fix and so far, durable. its 4k but I could ship him one for almost half that. if he wanted it.
/posted from my phone.
 
2013-03-28 09:31:40 PM
There are many legitimate reasons to use a powered wheelchair/scooter. Being obese is not one of them. Giving obese people an excuse to not exercise is being an enabler. we don't give free pyrex to meth heads, why help those addicted to food fulfill their desires?
 
2013-03-28 09:44:05 PM

drjekel_mrhyde:


Came here to see pretty much this. Done and done.
 
2013-03-28 09:46:02 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Once the food collapse and zombie apocalypse begins, this will be the new resource of protein.  We should encourage it.


Very little protein content. Very high in triglycerides though.
 
2013-03-28 09:46:16 PM

Gergesa: I forget what it was called but awhile ago there was an anime movie where a company produced a sort of mobile health care unit for the elderly.  The unit would provide medical care while at the same time taking the elderly patient out for exercise.  The plot line involved a nurse who was assigned to oversee a patient that was put into one of these units(the unit somehow acquired the personality of his deceased wife) and the unit went crazy and refused to obey its program directives.

Instead, through a series of comical events, it took its patient on a wild and crazy ride through the city and eventually the company CEO(who was a sympathetic character) got involved and had to promise the machine he would handle the elderly with a more human approach.  Oh and the machine squared off against some military version of itself and the two machines battled it out but anyway I am looking forward to when that becomes a reality.


Robocop. Yeah, we all saw that one.
 
2013-03-28 09:48:51 PM

Phineas: Nadie_AZ: Government says 80% of scooters and electric wheelchairs Medicare buys go to lazy fat people who complain incessantly about Big Government waste, taxes and helping the poors.

Right, because poor people are never fat and lazy

You libs should be thrilled about this anyway, since you get hard-ons from giving stuff away to fat, lazy people.


Well, we do send a lot of money to the red states...
 
2013-03-28 10:05:03 PM

PeregrineBF: There are many legitimate reasons to use a powered wheelchair/scooter. Being obese is not one of them. Giving obese people an excuse to not exercise is being an enabler. we don't give free pyrex to meth heads, why help those addicted to food fulfill their desires?


Not sure if troll.
Body is a temple zealot?

Obese =/= Food addiction
Obese =/= Doesn't excercise

Fun fact, some people eat "right" and do a lot of work/exercise and still gain weight.  But having not read the thread, you probably won't see this either.  The way the body functions, it has a wide variety of things it can do with the food it gets, it is not nearly so simple as haters try to make it sound.

Some girls get nice big tits. or a nice full ass, and if it stops there, great!  Perfectly healthy!  If it is distributed elsewhere in differing amounts, it's seen as a gross negligence.  You people think going bald is a result from wearing hats too often as well?  Chocolate gives zits?

It's never mental illness? Crazy hormones? (do you people not meet many women? some go farking nuts once a month from a not so very drastic and normal change in hormones, known pregnant ladies that cannot stop eating?  Seen dudes roid rage?  That's not "drugs" that's a testosterone overload. How about people with pituitary issues that are like 7 feet tall.  Hormones can seriously fark a person up, mentally and physically.  ) Physical injury? Debilitating nervous system damage from disease or trauma?

No, it's always laziness and greed.

Not sure why that viewpoint consistently amazes me, all of fark's armchair experts argue from the point of view limited to their own very narrow experience but it always shows the brightest in these threads.

Hell, if a signature of intelligence is the ability to recognize a reality that is larger and more varied than your existence, mankind fails as a whole.

I want to see a chart that demonstrates your(collective you) prejudice on other issues.  Of course you say you aren't racist, that's a legally protected thing, but it's the very same mentality here.  Hell, it still doesn't even stop some of you from being blatantly bigoted in those areas, racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.
 
2013-03-28 10:08:39 PM

omeganuepsilon: HindiDiscoMonster: ///farking ice ice baby

Not bad.  We've had a lot of Snow this winter, many people found an unfortunate licky boom boom down.  Starting to get nice though(50F today), I should be able to enjoy a nice Ice-T outside in about a month.  Not a single Ice Cube though, waters down the drink.

/so terrible


now, that was win.
 
2013-03-28 10:09:42 PM
Government says 80% of scooters and electric wheelchairs Medicare buys go to lazy fat people teabaggers
 
2013-03-28 10:11:38 PM

omeganuepsilon: PeregrineBF: There are many legitimate reasons to use a powered wheelchair/scooter. Being obese is not one of them. Giving obese people an excuse to not exercise is being an enabler. we don't give free pyrex to meth heads, why help those addicted to food fulfill their desires?

Not sure if troll.
Body is a temple zealot?

Obese =/= Food addiction
Obese =/= Doesn't excercise

Fun fact, some people eat "right" and do a lot of work/exercise and still gain weight.  But having not read the thread, you probably won't see this either.  The way the body functions, it has a wide variety of things it can do with the food it gets, it is not nearly so simple as haters try to make it sound.

Some girls get nice big tits. or a nice full ass, and if it stops there, great!  Perfectly healthy!  If it is distributed elsewhere in differing amounts, it's seen as a gross negligence.  You people think going bald is a result from wearing hats too often as well?  Chocolate gives zits?

It's never mental illness? Crazy hormones? (do you people not meet many women? some go farking nuts once a month from a not so very drastic and normal change in hormones, known pregnant ladies that cannot stop eating?  Seen dudes roid rage?  That's not "drugs" that's a testosterone overload. How about people with pituitary issues that are like 7 feet tall.  Hormones can seriously fark a person up, mentally and physically.  ) Physical injury? Debilitating nervous system damage from disease or trauma?

No, it's always laziness and greed.

Not sure why that viewpoint consistently amazes me, all of fark's armchair experts argue from the point of view limited to their own very narrow experience but it always shows the brightest in these threads.

Hell, if a signature of intelligence is the ability to recognize a reality that is larger and more varied than your existence, mankind fails as a whole.

I want to see a chart that demonstrates your(collective you) prejudice on other issues.  Of course you say you aren't ...


If only science were on your side...
 
2013-03-28 10:15:53 PM

nocturnal001: Phineas: Nadie_AZ: Government says 80% of scooters and electric wheelchairs Medicare buys go to lazy fat people who complain incessantly about Big Government waste, taxes and helping the poors.

Right, because poor people are never fat and lazy

You libs should be thrilled about this anyway, since you get hard-ons from giving stuff away to fat, lazy people.

Well, we do send a lot of money to the red states...


Even more to buy the urban vote.
 
2013-03-28 10:19:27 PM

WhippingBoy: No, it's always laziness and greed.

Not sure why that viewpoint consistently amazes me, all of fark's armchair experts argue from the point of view limited to their own very narrow experience but it always shows the brightest in these threads.

Hell, if a signature of intelligence is the ability to recognize a reality that is larger and more varied than your existence, mankind fails as a whole.

I want to see a chart that demonstrates your(collective you) prejudice on other issues. Of course you say you aren't ...

If only science were on your side...



I guess it's a good thing it is on his side... that is of course if you believe Medicine is science and not voodoo... on Fark, however, who knows what someone believes.

/oh and oblig
 
2013-03-28 10:23:00 PM

WhippingBoy: Is anyone allowed to use those courtesy scooters at WalMart and/or Costco?

/just askin'



Yep, anyone can use 'em. I hate the fact that I have to use one. I developed a severe form of arthritis in my teens and my ability to walk has been diminishing year by year. It's all I can do to hobble on my crutches or my walker from the handicapped spaces to the front of the store.
   Our local Walmart polices this pretty well and keeps the kids off of them. Still. some people abuse them.
I've learned that the best time to get to Walmart is early in the morning while the carts are fully charged and the dullards are still asleep.
   I may well be part of the 20% who need a power chair (I have one, which I paid for) but I only use it when the pain is at its worst.
 
2013-03-28 10:26:03 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: /oh and oblig


I would lean more towards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaGKxAgCguU

For Whipping's theme song, even fits his fark handle.
 
2013-03-28 10:29:01 PM
Farl welfare, medicare and food stamps for fatties.

Disability money os going to grow more and more of a problem as the lazy entitlement generation continues to claim 'disability' for anything--and these agencies relaize the more poeple they cover, the more budget money/positiosn they get.

There are no reasonable screening practices applied to many of our safety net programs, whihc is why I'm in favor of chucking many of them for reliance on proivate Charity. Our government perhaps can run some of them better, but it chooses not to, and is far more prone to waste.
 
2013-03-28 10:45:09 PM

incrdbil: There are no reasonable screening practices applied to many of our safety net programs, whihc is why I'm in favor of chucking many of them for reliance on proivate Charity. Our government perhaps can run some of them better, but it chooses not to, and is far more prone to waste.



So if someone has a birth defect, is disabled due to a botched operation, gets injured on the job, etc, their entire existence should be supported by charities that barely even support themselves and don't even operate in many regions of the country?

Why not just bring out the death panels and be done with it. At least that way those ebil leeching cripples won't be taking your precious charity money away from worthwhile causes like handing out free guns to people in high-crime areas.
 
2013-03-28 11:15:27 PM

WhippingBoy: rolladuck: His desk is the most disgusting place in the building, covered in dead skin...

What the hell????


The way my boss explained it to me is his body is so eaten up with fungal infections caused by diabetes that his skin falls off in waxy clumps.  Since he doesn't clean up anything, his phone, keyboard, monitor, mouse, mousepad and every book he uses to do his job is covered in a yellow, scaly crust.  It is a kind of disgusting that no person should have to deal with in a work environment, and yet, the government is willing to put up with the medical problems he subjects his coworkers to, rather than force him to retire as a medical risk.
The sad thing is, he can be a pleasant person, and he once was.  But he's become so physically disgusting that it magnifies is overall technical ineptitude, and creates one festering pile of filth that walks in, smiles, talks to you, pollutes the air with gas and disease and turns me into a cynical, hateful, angry fark of a man.
 
2013-03-28 11:19:58 PM
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2013-03-28 11:34:29 PM

omeganuepsilon: PeregrineBF: There are many legitimate reasons to use a powered wheelchair/scooter. Being obese is not one of them. Giving obese people an excuse to not exercise is being an enabler. we don't give free pyrex to meth heads, why help those addicted to food fulfill their desires?

Not sure if troll.
Body is a temple zealot?

Obese =/= Food addiction
Obese =/= Doesn't excercise

Fun fact, some people eat "right" and do a lot of work/exercise and still gain weight.  But having not read the thread, you probably won't see this either.  The way the body functions, it has a wide variety of things it can do with the food it gets, it is not nearly so simple as haters try to make it sound.

Some girls get nice big tits. or a nice full ass, and if it stops there, great!  Perfectly healthy!  If it is distributed elsewhere in differing amounts, it's seen as a gross negligence.  You people think going bald is a result from wearing hats too often as well?  Chocolate gives zits?

It's never mental illness? Crazy hormones? (do you people not meet many women? some go farking nuts once a month from a not so very drastic and normal change in hormones, known pregnant ladies that cannot stop eating?  Seen dudes roid rage?  That's not "drugs" that's a testosterone overload. How about people with pituitary issues that are like 7 feet tall.  Hormones can seriously fark a person up, mentally and physically.  ) Physical injury? Debilitating nervous system damage from disease or trauma?

No, it's always laziness and greed.

Not sure why that viewpoint consistently amazes me, all of fark's armchair experts argue from the point of view limited to their own very narrow experience but it always shows the brightest in these threads.

Hell, if a signature of intelligence is the ability to recognize a reality that is larger and more varied than your existence, mankind fails as a whole.

I want to see a chart that demonstrates your(collective you) prejudice on other issues.  Of course you say you aren't ...


I think you are half right.

The people who yell out "lol put down the fork!" dont' know what the hell they are talking about. Our world is full of toxic food designed to make you over eat, and you are either vulernable to that or you have some lucky combination of genetics that allows you to be unaffected. It would not be nearly as acceptable to tell alcoholics to "lol just don't drink!", and that is compounded by the fact that everyone HAS to eat some food so anyone with food issues is always exposed to their drug of choice. There is something wrong in their makeup, mental issues, or physical ones that make them overeat. Thyroid issues for example can cause people that eat very normaly to continue putting on weight as the medical issue they have is slowing down their metabolism. Once people are fat, they tend to be miserable and food is what makes them happy again for a bit.  Sadly, this is much more likely in the poor as they have the combo of lower average intelligence and lower education. These people are miserable.  We may find them gross to look at, but they don't need so much hatred. That is easy to say, but hard to practice.  I fly for work several times a month, and it makes my life hell when a big fatty sits next to me for example.

On the other hand, there are of course degrees of weight issues.  I was chubby as a kid, and I've worked my whole life (early 30s) to stay fit.  I am successful, but it's not always as easy as people claim.  There are some people out there who can eat whatever and not gain weight, while others (like me) have to be selective in order avoid gaining. At the other end of the scale are people that gain weight much easier than I do and they have it that much harder.  But, and this is a big but, probably wouldn't fit in a scooter, food intake still follows the rules of physics.  It can be super hard for somebody to control their eating due to a chemical issue in their brain, but that doesn't mean that if they eat less they won't lose weight. At the end of the day it's calories in vs calories out, and even a low metabolism still needs X calories to run your brain, heart etc.

We are all on different spots on the "how easy is it to stay in shape scale" (note I didn't say healthy as plenty of naturaly skinny folks eat like shiat and punish their bodies) but that doesn't mean that it is impossible for people to lose weight.  It's not disimiliar from the arguments about being able to succede if you are born poor vs rich.  Anyone can do it (assuming you get mental help if needed) but it's a fark of a lot harder for some.
 
2013-03-28 11:38:14 PM

Molavian: nocturnal001: Phineas: Nadie_AZ: Government says 80% of scooters and electric wheelchairs Medicare buys go to lazy fat people who complain incessantly about Big Government waste, taxes and helping the poors.

Right, because poor people are never fat and lazy

You libs should be thrilled about this anyway, since you get hard-ons from giving stuff away to fat, lazy people.

Well, we do send a lot of money to the red states...

Even more to buy the urban vote.


Yup, those folks in the ghetto are living high off the hog!

Seriously though, it is definitely a fact that red states receive more federal tax money than they contribute.  Can you back up the claim that urban areas receive the same benefit? (aside from claiming that they are being "bought")   I don't think you can.
 
2013-03-28 11:40:02 PM
Thanks, Obama
 
2013-03-28 11:51:30 PM

Banned on the Run: i_dig_chicks: I used to work for a company the supplied powerchairs.  It's not that easy to get Medicare to pay for these even for people that really need them.

Your company isn't trying hard slimy enough.

I (as a doc) get these requests all the time from companies that advertise "We'll give you your chair for free, and if Medicare doesn't cover it, it's still yours!"

I had a patient who needed just a walker but got one of these.  The chair company sent the form back to me 4 times, as how I filled it out would not get the chair approved, each time more specific about how they needed it filled out (highlighted sections, post-it notes).  The last time I had to write "This patient does not require a power chair" in the margin.

farking thieves.


Drives me goddamn nuts. Even worse lately are the skeezy diabetic supply outfits from Florida. I had one patient they were faxing over 4 forms a week for who wasn't even a diabetic.
 
2013-03-28 11:52:31 PM
Ebenezer Scrooge: Health care for fat and lazy people! Are there no graveyards? Are there no crematoria?

Do-Gooder McLibtard: But sir! Some people are fat and lazy and would sooner die than walk!

Ebenezer Scrooge: Then let them die and decrease the surplus population.

Do-Gooder McLibtard: Why do you think we're encouraging them not to walk? It's well known that fat lazy stupid white people don't vote Democratic--they're deeply conservatvive and vote Republican. It's only costing us about $1,000 a head to fatten up these Sheeple and kill them off with kindness.

Ebenezer Scrooge: Killing people with kindness? Is that possble? Hey, I'm all for killing poor people of any description without kindness, but maybe I have the wrong end of the stick. And only $1,000 a calf's head?

OMG! That's a tiny fraction of the cost of prisons, insane asylums and corrupt, mismanaged old folks homes.

Come back tomorrow gentlemen. I think I may have a giant novelty cheque for you made out to a princely sum!

Do-Gooder McLibtar: Oh, bless you Mr. Scrooge! You'll make this the Best Christmas ever for Liberals and Conservatives, Democrats and Republicans alike. We have hit upon a perfect final solution to the problem of the 50% of the populaton that is too stupid and lazy to work, too stupid and lazy to be Conservative Republicans or Liberal Democrats, and even too stupid to vote us both out!
 
2013-03-28 11:54:20 PM

Nadie_AZ: Government says 80% of scooters and electric wheelchairs Medicare buys go to lazy fat people who complain incessantly about Big Government waste, taxes and helping the poors.


The fundraiser where Mitt Romney made his infamous "47% of people are dependent on the government" comment, was hosted by Marc Leder, the CEO of Sun Capital.  I'll give you one guess as to what one of their most profitable subsidiary companies is
 
2013-03-28 11:59:49 PM
And so Ebenezer Scrooge saw the light and lived happily ever after. In fact he became one of the greatest conservative Republican philanthropists of all time--greater than Andrew Carnagie, greater than John D. Rockefeller, and even greater than Adolf Hitler.

He funded "health care" for the fat and lazy, free housing for illegal immgrants in boncentration bamps, sorry, INS conctration camps, and education in the schools that taught poor children how to eat badly, drop out, and live on starch, salt, sugar, fat, vegetable oil, soyabean byproduct, and Egyptian cotton sold below cost at a tremendous profi by Milo Mindbender Industries.

And the best thing was that destroying the poor was something Republicans and Libertarians and Democrats and Communists could all agree on because it meant that the little bastards wouldn't compete with their children for cushy jobs as government employees and lobbyists, or for rare and expensive places at the few decent universities in th country.

Everybody lived happily ever after ... everybody that survived, that is! Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, know what I mean?
 
2013-03-29 12:09:30 AM

nocturnal001: We are all on different spots on the "how easy is it to stay in shape scale" (note I didn't say healthy as plenty of naturaly skinny folks eat like shiat and punish their bodies) but that doesn't mean that it is impossible for people to lose weight.


Oh, I agree, I was just arguing against the absolutes put forth that it's always a gluttony/sloth issue, and why those people come off as zealotic puritans.

It's not "impossible", but it is entirely out of a select few's power to do so(ie mental illness), and as you said, for others it is extremely difficult.

Some people, to get thin, they'd quite literally have to life a christian life of sacrifice to get and stay thin.  Everyone deserves some vice as long as it's not harmful to others, that's how we cope with life.  If you aren't allowed to enjoy it, what's the point?

I don't think we need to villify any of them. I don't think it's a rational position.

I see the issue as equal parts loathing(I find fat offensive, so they shouldn't exist), and some that old conservative value(you shouldn't enjoy yourself), and simple ignorance.  It's similar to any anti-issue in that regard.

Even the money argument, unhealthy people die sooner and faster.  It's that curmudgeonly old fark that lives to 98 that really costs you tax money.

*shrugs*
 
2013-03-29 12:10:50 AM

omeganuepsilon: PeregrineBF: There are many legitimate reasons to use a powered wheelchair/scooter. Being obese is not one of them. Giving obese people an excuse to not exercise is being an enabler. we don't give free pyrex to meth heads, why help those addicted to food fulfill their desires?

Not sure if troll.
Body is a temple zealot?

Obese =/= Food addiction
Obese =/= Doesn't excercise

Fun fact, some people eat "right" and do a lot of work/exercise and still gain weight.  But having not read the thread, you probably won't see this either.  The way the body functions, it has a wide variety of things it can do with the food it gets, it is not nearly so simple as haters try to make it sound.

Some girls get nice big tits. or a nice full ass, and if it stops there, great!  Perfectly healthy!  If it is distributed elsewhere in differing amounts, it's seen as a gross negligence.  You people think going bald is a result from wearing hats too often as well?  Chocolate gives zits?

It's never mental illness? Crazy hormones? (do you people not meet many women? some go farking nuts once a month from a not so very drastic and normal change in hormones, known pregnant ladies that cannot stop eating?  Seen dudes roid rage?  That's not "drugs" that's a testosterone overload. How about people with pituitary issues that are like 7 feet tall.  Hormones can seriously fark a person up, mentally and physically.  ) Physical injury? Debilitating nervous system damage from disease or trauma?

No, it's always laziness and greed.

Not sure why that viewpoint consistently amazes me, all of fark's armchair experts argue from the point of view limited to their own very narrow experience but it always shows the brightest in these threads.

Hell, if a signature of intelligence is the ability to recognize a reality that is larger and more varied than your existence, mankind fails as a whole.

I want to see a chart that demonstrates your(collective you) prejudice on other issues.  Of course you say you aren't racist, that's a legally protected thing, but it's the very same mentality here.  Hell, it still doesn't even stop some of you from being blatantly bigoted in those areas, racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.


I will admit, that's what happened to me in the decade since I graduated high school. I went from playing three sports to a sedentary work/school lifestyle. I've put on over thirty pounds since graduation but honestly? It served to make me curvy, since none of it really went to my waist, and I carry it well, thankfully.

Personally, I think people with a severe weight problem should be forced to park the furthest from the grocery store, because the walk will do them good. Remember that story about the guy who lost 600 lbs just because he started by walking from his bed to his front door a couple times per day? He eventually ran marathons once he was under 225.
 
2013-03-29 12:11:15 AM

Banned on the Run: i_dig_chicks: I used to work for a company the supplied powerchairs.  It's not that easy to get Medicare to pay for these even for people that really need them.

Your company isn't trying hard slimy enough.

I (as a doc) get these requests all the time from companies that advertise "We'll give you your chair for free, and if Medicare doesn't cover it, it's still yours!"

I had a patient who needed just a walker but got one of these.  The chair company sent the form back to me 4 times, as how I filled it out would not get the chair approved, each time more specific about how they needed it filled out (highlighted sections, post-it notes).  The last time I had to write "This patient does not require a power chair" in the margin.

farking thieves.


Yep. Used to work in an orthopedics practice. Had to do that multiple times, including calling the supplier to tell them to stop faxing forms.
 
2013-03-29 12:12:07 AM

Gulper Eel: Seniors who use scooters unnecessarily can become sedentary, which can exacerbate obesity and other disorders.

Which can also be covered by Medicare. (The ciiiiiircle of life...)

You couldn't design a better program of big-government self-perpetuation combined with corporate welfare for the medical-industrial complex if you tried - and the best part is, it's dressed up as compassion for seniors so no politician dares touch a bit of it.


This bears repeating!
 
2013-03-29 12:20:31 AM

kiwimoogle84: I will admit, that's what happened to me in the decade since I graduated high school. I went from playing three sports to a sedentary work/school lifestyle. I've put on over thirty pounds since graduation but honestly? It served to make me curvy, since none of it really went to my waist, and I carry it well, thankfully.

Personally, I think people with a severe weight problem should be forced to park the furthest from the grocery store, because the walk will do them good. Remember that story about the guy who lost 600 lbs just because he started by walking from his bed to his front door a couple times per day? He eventually ran marathons once he was under 225.


Meh, everyone has a different physiological potential.  On top of that human physiology has different modes that it can kick into such as starvation mode(We're in a crisis, store everything you can!).  On top of that you get situations as talked about in a different thread, where something breaks down and you get stuck or miss part of the process(very crude summation, it was brought up in detail in this thread)
http://www.fark.com/comments/7669998/Last-week-was-a-bad-week-I-ate- to o-many-biscuits

I think, over all, we all need to lower our standards for others.  We all have different levels of what we can do and put up with, so we do the best we can to get by.
 
2013-03-29 12:25:04 AM
I take it you have a problem with people getting some of their tax money back to spend on something they want?

I will never ask Medicare to pay for anything I do if you simply let me keep the money I would have paid in to it for myself. Sound like a square deal?
 
2013-03-29 12:33:10 AM
On principle I agree with the scooter store that they should be allowed to make their potential customers aware of the product.  That is advertising. What crosses the line for me is when the company works as an agent, contacting doctors and actively assisting clients with filing government forms.  At this point, the customer can almost be forgiven for committing fraud in collusion with the scooter store because they are victims of the company's brainwashing.  They may not realize the extent of their crime because they are told "just call and see if you qualify to get a scooter".  Ultimately a person knows whether they are using the scooter for convenience or necessity, and that information should be discussed with a physician, with the decision left in the physician's hands, along with the rest of the medical history.  I do have a serious problem with marketing to physicians. Physicians need to remain unbiased.
 
2013-03-29 12:34:27 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Goddamn how lazy do you have to be to give up on walking?!?


You've obviously never had significant foot/knee/back/hip issues.

I had a persistent arch injury, but I kept walking anyways, just not as much. Luckily I found 2 perfect pairs of soft hikers that almost eliminated the pain(If you have these kind of issues, pain can return in hips and back and knees while sitting later). It's been about two and a half years since the injury and I've been recovered pretty much completely for several months at least. i have to wear proper cushioned/supporting footwear pretty much always, but I'm back to normal and can walk long distances without trouble again.
 
2013-03-29 12:40:15 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: WhippingBoy: No, it's always laziness and greed.

Not sure why that viewpoint consistently amazes me, all of fark's armchair experts argue from the point of view limited to their own very narrow experience but it always shows the brightest in these threads.

Hell, if a signature of intelligence is the ability to recognize a reality that is larger and more varied than your existence, mankind fails as a whole.

I want to see a chart that demonstrates your(collective you) prejudice on other issues. Of course you say you aren't ...

If only science were on your side...


I guess it's a good thing it is on his side... that is of course if you believe Medicine is science and not voodoo... on Fark, however, who knows what someone believes.

/oh and oblig


Hm, except it's not. Because here's what your very own link actually says, in full:

Causes Although there are genetic and hormonal influences on body weight, obesity occurs when you take in more calories than you burn through exercise and normal daily activities. Your body stores these excess calories as fat. Obesity usually results from a combination of causes and contributing factors, including:
Inactivity. If you're not very active, you don't burn as many calories. With a sedentary lifestyle, you can easily take in more calories every day than you use through exercise and normal daily activities.
Unhealthy diet and eating habits. Having a diet that's high in calories, eating fast food, skipping breakfast, eating most of your calories at night, drinking high-calorie beverages and eating oversized portions all contribute to weight gain.
Pregnancy. During pregnancy, a woman's weight necessarily increases. Some women find this weight difficult to lose after the baby is born. This weight gain may contribute to the development of obesity in women
Lack of sleep. Getting less than seven hours of sleep a night can cause changes in hormones that increase your appetite. You may also crave foods high in calories and carbohydrates, which can contribute to weight gain.
Certain medications. Some medications can lead to weight gain if you don't compensate through diet or activity. These medications include some antidepressants, anti-seizure medications, diabetes medications, antipsychotic medications, steroids and beta blockers.
Medical problems. Obesity can sometimes be traced to a medical cause, such as Prader-Willi syndrome, Cushing's syndrome, polycystic ovary syndrome, and other diseases and conditions. Some medical problems, such as arthritis, can lead to decreased activity, which may result in weight gain. A low metabolism is unlikely to cause obesity, as is having low thyroid function.(source: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/obesity/DS00314/DSECTION=causes)

It seems the Mayo Clinic agrees more with overeating and lack of exercise as a cause of fatness, rather than metabolism or hormones.
 
2013-03-29 12:42:02 AM

octopied: It's been about two and a half years since the injury and I've been recovered pretty much completely for several months at least.


Jesus!   I hope my broke foot is just an occult fracture which means only about 3-4 more weeks off at a max
/xrays showed nothing I found out today, need to schedule ortho tomorrow
//work on my feet and on ladders, I would probably have to find a new job if it's something persistent

octopied: You've obviously never had significant foot/knee/back/hip issues.


Young and/or apathetic...
 
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