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2013-03-28 07:57:31 PM

p51d007: You see the same thing when you drive into any retail store parking lot.  How many times do you
see someone with a handicap placard, or license plate, get out of the vehicle and sprint into the
store?  Doctors give these things out like candy.  I think that if you aren't in a wheelchair, walker,
cane, or a heart condition, you should be able to shoot em in the foot so they have a REAL NEED
for the handicap placard....unless it means MENTAL handicap.


My dad's not wheelchair bound, but he makes legitimate use of handicap places.  Much of his back is fused rigid while his elbows and ankles have been mashed to pulp from decades of hard labor(despite having asthma from a very young age) and broken off bone spurs. He's only able to walk or stand up for very short periods of time.

I find it annoying when people who do not suffer try to tell others when their suffering is enough.

Like this asshole:

pounddawg: I'm fat because my knees and back are bad

No. Your knees and back are bad because you are fat.


Yes, there are some fat entitled pricks out there.  Your prejudice is as clear as that of Westboro Baptist's prejudice against gays.  Fat people are gross, we get it.  No need to actively villify them, they're not harming you.

Please, go get hit by a train.
/preferably on a section of track my dad laid in the 1960s
 
2013-03-28 07:58:00 PM

kidgenius: This may come as a surprise to you, but most people are fat by choice


nah, it's no surprise.
 
2013-03-28 07:58:27 PM

pxlboy: I remember when I worked for the local mall a number of years back and the *really* elderly folks complaining to management because either what you described would happen or it was  some random asshole parking there just because s/he was an asshole.


Were they making their Handicapped Faces?
 
2013-03-28 07:58:30 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: [i.imgur.com image 720x588]


That picture is amazing! Where did you find it?
 
2013-03-28 07:58:45 PM

pxlboy: p51d007: You see the same thing when you drive into any retail store parking lot.  How many times do you
see someone with a handicap placard, or license plate, get out of the vehicle and sprint into the
store?  Doctors give these things out like candy.  I think that if you aren't in a wheelchair, walker,
cane, or a heart condition, you should be able to shoot em in the foot so they have a REAL NEED
for the handicap placard....unless it means MENTAL handicap.

This.


Pretty much. I've known people who had the placard because they were in fact psychologically disabled--but usually that meant the family member was doing the driving and grandma had Alzheimers or whatever and needed the close-in parking space so they didn't lose her on the way back to the car.

What it should be is, there should be different grades of tags--if you yourself are disabled but can drive, you get one kind of tag; if you need to drive around a disabled family member, you get another, and that one is ONLY good if the person is actually in the car. You don't get to use grammy's tag to run down and pick up her meds or do some quick shopping.
 
2013-03-28 07:59:39 PM
One more reason why medical devices and prescription drugs should not be allowed to advertise.  If you need a scooter, your GP should bring it up, not the other way around.
 
2013-03-28 07:59:52 PM
I used to think Ayn Rand was a nutjob. Now I'm not so sure...
 
2013-03-28 08:00:13 PM

WhippingBoy: Is anyone allowed to use those courtesy scooters at WalMart and/or Costco?



Yeah, but if you use them to ram the other scooters, they'll probably throw you out.
 
2013-03-28 08:02:10 PM

Allen262: Atomic Spunk: The Scooter Store idiots should have learned from those boneheads that used to advertise about tax settlements, where people claimed that they settled with the IRS for pennies on the dollar. When your tagline involves taking advantage of government largesse, you WILL get punished or shut down.

Strange.. I still see them.


Even when people like Roni Deutch, American Tax Relief and Taxmasters are shut down, other firms jump in to take their place because it's such an extremely lucrative business. The newer ones have toned down their message from their predecessors, though, because the government usually goes after them on fraud charges. They can't overinflate their success rates, which is what the Scooter Store appears to be doing.
 
2013-03-28 08:02:11 PM

i_dig_chicks: I used to work for a company the supplied powerchairs.  It's not that easy to get Medicare to pay for these even for people that really need them.


That's the thing: according to the Scooter Store they already screen out nearly the same percent of people who don't qualify and still a vast majority of people don't meet the qualifications to get one. Strictly speaking Medicare is only supposed to buy them for people so bad off they can't function using a cane, walker, or wheelchair. By that definition a hell of a lot of people shouldn't qualify. This is always a problem with benefits: you limit the definition to prevent abuse, but you're always stuck with some people getting away with fraud and others getting legitimate claims denied.
 
2013-03-28 08:04:26 PM

Isitoveryet: kidgenius: Isitoveryet: onlyadistraction: Fat people disgust me. I saw an obese woman driving her scooter back to her government housing project the other day with 48 cans of soda in her basket... Americans make me sick

Technically, you make yourself sick.

No, sometimes it is the fat people. Bathing becomes an issue sometimes and the BO is absolutely flattening. Takes all I can to keep from hurling.

you can rest assured that they'll die soon & you won't have to be offended anymore.
poor snowflake.


I have a co-worker who uses two of those things--one at home and one at work, since his car isn't able to transport it.  He has severe diabetes from the fact that he is nearly 500 pounds, and eats, at the office, on a daily basis, about 8 packages of various little debbies snacks, a 1200-calorie lunch, 6-10 sodas, and then talks about how he gorges himself "for supper".  His desk is the most disgusting place in the building, covered in dead skin and the floor has been caked in food stuffs that have been ground into the carpet after he missed his face with his spoon or fork, and the food managed to roll down his belly where it was rolled over by the chair.  He farts about 20 times an hour, sleeps a third of any given work day, and makes life generally difficult for everyone else.
But he works for the government, so his "benefits" are untouchable.  But he has spent a huge portion of the last few months biatching about how he deserves more and the sequester is going to screw him up.
But don't worry, he's going to retire soon, with his benefits maxed out.  And he'll probably be dead by Christmas, probably from Thanksgiving dinner.
 
2013-03-28 08:04:50 PM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: WhippingBoy: Is anyone allowed to use those courtesy scooters at WalMart and/or Costco?


Yeah, but if you use them to ram the other scooters, they'll probably throw you out.


There's worse things in life than being thrown out of a Wal-Mart.
 
2013-03-28 08:05:24 PM

Gergesa: I forget what it was called but awhile ago there was an anime movie where a company produced a sort of mobile health care unit for the elderly.  The unit would provide medical care while at the same time taking the elderly patient out for exercise.  The plot line involved a nurse who was assigned to oversee a patient that was put into one of these units(the unit somehow acquired the personality of his deceased wife) and the unit went crazy and refused to obey its program directives.

Instead, through a series of comical events, it took its patient on a wild and crazy ride through the city and eventually the company CEO(who was a sympathetic character) got involved and had to promise the machine he would handle the elderly with a more human approach.  Oh and the machine squared off against some military version of itself and the two machines battled it out but anyway I am looking forward to when that becomes a reality.


We remember Gyo very very differently methinks
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-28 08:05:31 PM
BAN CORN SYRUP YOU STUPID farkS
 
2013-03-28 08:05:39 PM
Mr Theologian's doctor told us up front that she had to examine him and his medical records before filing the paperwork. His back is messed up, and he had a few falls. And she said: yup, he needed it. Later, the Scooter Store rep called us and mentioned that the doctor's report was the most extensive and stringent they ever read. The rep came with the power chair, and he told us that it was a good thing Mr Theologian got the chair before the New Year as rules and regs would be much stricter and the patient would have to pay more out-of-pocket. (Looking back, I wondered if he was waiting for the feds to raid the company.)
 
2013-03-28 08:06:12 PM

rolladuck: His desk is the most disgusting place in the building, covered in dead skin...


What the hell????
 
2013-03-28 08:08:04 PM
omeganuepsilon:

I find it annoying when people who do not suffer try to tell others when their suffering is enough.

Like this asshole:

pounddawg: I'm fat because my knees and back are bad

No. Your knees and back are bad because you are fat.

Yes, there are some fat entitled pricks out there.  Your prejudice is as clear as that of Westboro Baptist's prejudice against gays.  Fat people are gross, we get it.  No need to actively villify them, they're not harming you.

Please, go get hit by a train.
/preferably on a section of track my dad laid in the 1960s


I never said they were gross and the obesity epidemic is hurting health care cost for everyone. You have assumed way to much about me from my simple statement that applies to many people. Also you must have missed my second post in this thread.

//The above may not apply to 100% of the populace.

///please go find your own train.
 
2013-03-28 08:08:50 PM

Lehk: Gulper Eel: You couldn't design a better program of big-government self-perpetuation combined with corporate welfare for the medical-industrial complex if you tried - and the best part is, it's dressed up as compassion for seniors so no politician dares touch a bit of it.

and now everyone can tell that you didn't bother to read the article.

"big government" is doing something about it and one of the parasite companies is being gutted by reduced payments and stricter review of eligibility.


It's for show. The people running the Scooter Store are the low-hanging fruit.

There are hundreds, maybe thousands of Medicare scams. When the heat comes down on one, the perpetrators move on to a different scam.
 
2013-03-28 08:09:11 PM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Don't worry.  Under ObamaCare, those scooters will be programmed to terminate their occupants at random, thus resolving the problem.


I heard he was combining medicare scooters with drones - exploding 3mph elderly fat drones.
 
2013-03-28 08:09:41 PM

rolladuck: Thanksgiving dinner.


icky right? why can't everyone just look & be exactly how we want them to be!

i add snark to these types of comments but i understand you position & sympathize with it & at the same time share that sympathy.  People live life differently for different reasons I don't know what those reasons are & they could be as farked up as i could imagine and that's pretty farked up.
 
2013-03-28 08:10:28 PM
"Patients have been brainwashed by The Scooter Store,"


Must get scooter. MUST  GET  SCOOTER!! KILL ALL WHO STAND IN WAY OF SCOOTER!!!

SCOO-TER.


SCOO-TER.



SCOO-TER
 
2013-03-28 08:11:34 PM
so i try not to be overly critical of what i see given what i know i don't know.
 
2013-03-28 08:12:45 PM
but but but Medicare....it's so efficient! how is this possible???????
 
2013-03-28 08:13:42 PM

pounddawg: You have assumed way to much about me from my simple statement


You blithely make a statement of an absolute that has a very much implied sentiment of disgust and backpedal entirely too hard when called on it.
 
2013-03-28 08:14:14 PM
Fark is a funny place. People make the snarkiest jokes about anything and everything, with the full support of the other denizens.
Until someone's Sacred Cow is stepped on. Then we're all a"bunch of assholes".

/no one better say anything about the Starland Vocal Band. No one.
 
2013-03-28 08:15:27 PM

Banned on the Run: ...I (as a doc)

...

I honestly thought you just spent all day just cataloging photos of women to post in TNA threads.

Huh.
 
2013-03-28 08:17:08 PM
www.pumpispumping.com
 
2013-03-28 08:17:22 PM

onlyadistraction: Fat people disgust me. I saw an obese woman driving her scooter back to her government housing project the other day with 48 cans of soda in her basket... Americans make me sick


i411.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-28 08:17:33 PM
Hoveroud takes me where I want to go.
 
2013-03-28 08:17:47 PM
I think one big problem with scooters is that they're made very, very cheaply, don't hold up to daily use, and are pretty expensive. As the article points out, it doesn't help with 90% of the people using them are indeed just lazy & obese people.

My brother has chronic progressive MS and has been wheelchair bound for about 15 years now. Since he doesn't have the upper body strength to push a chair, but isn't disabled enough to require a power wheelchair, he rolls around in a scooter. A Pride mobility scooter typically lasts him about 12-18 months before it breaks down (at ~$2,000 a pop, they aren't cheap). Almost everything on them are plastic, including the drive gears. Since they're low to the ground, it isn't uncommon to ground out the bottom and end up chafing and breaking the electrical harness. I wish they'd make them a little more durable.

It's not like my bro is a very big guy - his leg muscles are mostly atrophied. He hates being lumped in with all the scooter/handicapped cheaters out there. Most of those landwhales are also taking up all the handicapped hotel rooms, parking spaces, airplane seats, etc - farking over truly handicapped people.sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-03-28 08:17:54 PM

prjindigo: BAN CORN SYRUP YOU STUPID farkS


Please note, there is a major difference between "corn syrup" (such as Karo) and "high fructose corn syrup" (such as found in US sodas).

The former is pretty much an innocuous confectioner's tool used to prevent early crystallization during candy making. It's little more than liquid glucose. Any health issues from this are simply from eating too many sweets habitually, as glucose is a barely-sweet form of sugar your body makes by default. It's quite literally blood-sugar.

The latter is the much-demonized sweetener that's omnipresent in processed foods and (possibly) has strange metabolic effects and fattening qualities. Its resemblance to regular "corn syrup" is in name only.
 
2013-03-28 08:18:33 PM

BSABSVR: [www.bannedinhollywood.com image 500x375]


www.the-leaping-lamp.com
 
2013-03-28 08:18:54 PM

WhippingBoy: Fark is a funny place. People make the snarkiest jokes about anything and everything, with the full support of the other denizens.
Until someone's Sacred Cow is stepped on. Then we're all a"bunch of assholes".

/no one better say anything about the Starland Vocal Band. No one.


Well, some of them started out as assholes and have simply gotten away with it until now.
Also, some of the "jokes" in these threads go well beyond "snark" and invoke Poe's Law.
 
2013-03-28 08:20:35 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Once the food collapse and zombie apocalypse begins, this will be the new resource of protein.  We should encourage it.


well, actually there is more fat and less protein, but on the upside, there should be fantastic marbling in the meat and therefore nice and tender and juicy.
 
2013-03-28 08:21:55 PM

giftedmadness: but but but Medicare....it's so efficient! how is this possible???????


That's the scary thing: despite the number of scams it's still significantly cheaper to cover someone through Medicare than through Medicare Advantage. The private market hasn't been any better at controlling the costs of this sort of abuse. Hope the hammer comes down hard.
 
2013-03-28 08:24:17 PM
I spent a week at Disney World recently, and these damn things are the scourge of humanity. I look forward to the day they become self aware and terminate their occupants.
 
2013-03-28 08:24:20 PM

kidgenius: Isitoveryet: kidgenius: Isitoveryet: onlyadistraction: Fat people disgust me. I saw an obese woman driving her scooter back to her government housing project the other day with 48 cans of soda in her basket... Americans make me sick

Technically, you make yourself sick.

No, sometimes it is the fat people. Bathing becomes an issue sometimes and the BO is absolutely flattening. Takes all I can to keep from hurling.

you can rest assured that they'll die soon & you won't have to be offended anymore.
poor snowflake.

This may come as a surprise to you, but most people are fat by choice


that's probably true, but don't let that stop you from grouping the sick ones in with them.
 
2013-03-28 08:24:22 PM
How did Ric Romero miss this story? Does he not shop at Walmart?
 
2013-03-28 08:27:41 PM

omeganuepsilon: p51d007: You see the same thing when you drive into any retail store parking lot.  How many times do you
see someone with a handicap placard, or license plate, get out of the vehicle and sprint into the
store?  Doctors give these things out like candy.  I think that if you aren't in a wheelchair, walker,
cane, or a heart condition, you should be able to shoot em in the foot so they have a REAL NEED
for the handicap placard....unless it means MENTAL handicap.

My dad's not wheelchair bound, but he makes legitimate use of handicap places.  Much of his back is fused rigid while his elbows and ankles have been mashed to pulp from decades of hard labor(despite having asthma from a very young age) and broken off bone spurs. He's only able to walk or stand up for very short periods of time.

I find it annoying when people who do not suffer try to tell others when their suffering is enough.

Like this asshole:

pounddawg: I'm fat because my knees and back are bad

No. Your knees and back are bad because you are fat.

Yes, there are some fat entitled pricks out there.  Your prejudice is as clear as that of Westboro Baptist's prejudice against gays.  Fat people are gross, we get it.  No need to actively villify them, they're not harming you.

Please, go get hit by a train.
/preferably on a section of track my dad laid in the 1960s


people like that simply do not get it, nor do they care to. they are emotional children in adult bodies. i suspect their mental capacity is similar to their emotional capacity for compassion, and therefore, logic escapes them.
 
2013-03-28 08:28:25 PM
One sad, yet interesting, side-effect of the Scooter Store's downfall is that a large number of ex-employees (including my mother, unfortunately) place the blame squarely on Obama, rather than the company's questionable business practices.
 
2013-03-28 08:28:48 PM

Grungehamster: You know what drives me nuts? A good chunk of the stereotypical "old tea party guy on a scooter" types will tell you that they don't have government healthcare, they have private insurance and they can show you their Aetna/Blue Cross/etc card to prove it. Apparently they're convinced Medicare Advantage means they are independent of government support, even when the government spends more for them to get private insurance than they would just covering it in-house.


Ah, you know your health insurance I see. I spent a year paying Seniority Plus claims. Yup, you just traded your Medicare for a plan that's even more expensive, although to be fair, the reimbursement rates to providers are better.

CSS- I once saw a giant lady in a scooter try to get up the ramp in front of a McDonalds. She was so fat, even while gunning it, that her fat husband had to push her from behind to get the rest of the way up.

/I openly laughed
 
2013-03-28 08:30:58 PM

rolladuck: Isitoveryet: kidgenius: Isitoveryet: onlyadistraction: Fat people disgust me. I saw an obese woman driving her scooter back to her government housing project the other day with 48 cans of soda in her basket... Americans make me sick

Technically, you make yourself sick.

No, sometimes it is the fat people. Bathing becomes an issue sometimes and the BO is absolutely flattening. Takes all I can to keep from hurling.

you can rest assured that they'll die soon & you won't have to be offended anymore.
poor snowflake.

I have a co-worker who uses two of those things--one at home and one at work, since his car isn't able to transport it.  He has severe diabetes from the fact that he is nearly 500 pounds, and eats, at the office, on a daily basis, about 8 packages of various little debbies snacks, a 1200-calorie lunch, 6-10 sodas, and then talks about how he gorges himself "for supper".  His desk is the most disgusting place in the building, covered in dead skin and the floor has been caked in food stuffs that have been ground into the carpet after he missed his face with his spoon or fork, and the food managed to roll down his belly where it was rolled over by the chair.  He farts about 20 times an hour, sleeps a third of any given work day, and makes life generally difficult for everyone else.
But he works for the government, so his "benefits" are untouchable.  But he has spent a huge portion of the last few months biatching about how he deserves more and the sequester is going to screw him up.
But don't worry, he's going to retire soon, with his benefits maxed out.  And he'll probably be dead by Christmas, probably from Thanksgiving dinner.


after reading that, all i gotta say is...i hope so too man!
 
2013-03-28 08:31:42 PM

MrSteve007: I think one big problem with scooters is that they're made very, very cheaply, don't hold up to daily use, and are pretty expensive. As the article points out, it doesn't help with 90% of the people using them are indeed just lazy & obese people.

My brother has chronic progressive MS and has been wheelchair bound for about 15 years now. Since he doesn't have the upper body strength to push a chair, but isn't disabled enough to require a power wheelchair, he rolls around in a scooter. A Pride mobility scooter typically lasts him about 12-18 months before it breaks down (at ~$2,000 a pop, they aren't cheap). Almost everything on them are plastic, including the drive gears. Since they're low to the ground, it isn't uncommon to ground out the bottom and end up chafing and breaking the electrical harness. I wish they'd make them a little more durable.

It's not like my bro is a very big guy - his leg muscles are mostly atrophied. He hates being lumped in with all the scooter/handicapped cheaters out there. Most of those landwhales are also taking up all the handicapped hotel rooms, parking spaces, airplane seats, etc - farking over truly handicapped people.[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x564]


Your brother, and his obvious sense of adventure and life, rocks:)
My spine is damaged due to a car accident. I can walk a small amount - but without the all new (well second hand) electric wheelchair (with bonus omg so helping the pain recline function), previously the super scooter(tm), I would not be able to work. As I do research on mobile infrastructure free software for emergencies and disasters, and lecture in computer science, that makes a difference to to the world, my family - and my state of mind.

So yar boo sucks to those who don't need it - but wish the world would stop judging us all the same. Because I can walk a small amount, I am not able - I am the highest category of disability there is, and in such pain that some days I am vomiting from it, and a whimpering into the darkness to die (quietly so my family doesn't hear)...

And again, you usurpers of car parks and othr aids to life that we cannot function without, but just make your life a bit quicker, sod off.
 
2013-03-28 08:31:49 PM
CSB

I have a buddy who worked at a for profit college. I asked him once about the whole college loan debacle and how broke people who barely graduated from high school could get massive student loans. He said "it's like that commercial for the scooter place where the guy says 'we'll work with your doctor, insurance, and medicare. if there's a way we'll find it'. They're scamming a government program and cashing in. The for profit colleges are running the same scam but on a bigger government program that is immensely more profitable. They will do whatever it takes to get that federal student loan money. They know every trick of the system."

/He called their corporate HQ building in Schaumburg 'the scam palace'
 
2013-03-28 08:32:15 PM

pounddawg: I'm fat because my knees and back are bad

No. Your knees and back are bad because you are fat.


Im now fat (not like hover round, just like a beer gut) because I fracked up my feet and ankles in a stairs accident.

I was never fat before said accident, but my ankles are bad because Im fat according to your professional diagnosis, right?
 
2013-03-28 08:32:38 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: people like that simply do not get it, nor do they care to. they are emotional children in adult bodies. i suspect their mental capacity is similar to their emotional capacity for compassion, and therefore, logic escapes them.


Well, yeah.  I just entertain myself by calling them out.
It's also the principle of the thing though, if they go unopposed other people may begin to think it's suitable behavior.

Meh, I get up to stupid shiat when I'm bored.
/laid up with a broken foot myself
//wasn't just that it broke down because I'm fat either
///farking ice
 
2013-03-28 08:35:00 PM

WhippingBoy: Fark is a funny place. People make the snarkiest jokes about anything and everything, with the full support of the other denizens.
Until someone's Sacred Cow is stepped on. Then we're all a"bunch of assholes".



You stupid, horrible dumbshiat. How dare you post crap like that!

The proper collective noun for assholes is a "loafpinch".
 
2013-03-28 08:35:01 PM

Isitoveryet: p51d007: You see the same thing when you drive into any retail store parking lot.  How many times do you
see someone with a handicap placard, or license plate, get out of the vehicle and sprint into the
store?  Doctors give these things out like candy.  I think that if you aren't in a wheelchair, walker,
cane, or a heart condition, you should be able to shoot em in the foot so they have a REAL NEED
for the handicap placard....unless it means MENTAL handicap.

I am certain it's the family members that are taking the placard & using it in their own vehicles.
to me that's worse, they know how beneficial the parking space is when it's necessary for their family and then go on to abuse it and FARK other people.


I once saw a guy I knew - my age, young - pull into a place with a handicapped placard. He said it was his grandma's, and he used it to get good parking. I flipped out and told him I'd fark his car up if he walked into the store without moving his car.

I couldn't handle it because he was this pious, annoying Christian who could never shut up about his religion. And besides his obnoxious proselytizing, a decent person anyway. It was insane that he would pull shiat like that.
 
2013-03-28 08:35:16 PM

WhippingBoy: Fark is a funny place. People make the snarkiest jokes about anything and everything, with the full support of the other denizens.
Until someone's Sacred Cow is stepped on. Then we're all a"bunch of assholes".

/no one better say anything about the Starland Vocal Band. No one.


How can anyone put down a group that wrote the music for one of the best porn scenes in history
 
2013-03-28 08:36:58 PM

Nadie_AZ: Government says 80% of scooters and electric wheelchairs Medicare buys go to lazy fat people who complain incessantly about Big Government waste, taxes and helping the poors.


Right, because poor people are never fat and lazy

You libs should be thrilled about this anyway, since you get hard-ons from giving stuff away to fat, lazy people.
 
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