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(C|Net)   What's better than your new Windows 8 start screen? Your new Windows 8 start screen on ALL of your screens   (news.cnet.com) divider line 175
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2013-03-28 04:25:29 PM  
Not going to bash Win8, because I haven't used it... but what's the purpose of the start screen.  Or, what's the difference between it and a desktop with widgets... which we've had forever?

(Well, I think the widgets came with Vista.)
 
2013-03-28 04:26:46 PM  
Aaaaaand what's better than your Windows 8 start screen across ALL of your screens?

Not that.
 
2013-03-28 04:42:51 PM  

MaxxLarge: Aaaaaand what's better than your Windows 8 start screen across ALL of your screens?

Not that.


THIS
 
2013-03-28 04:46:02 PM  
Oh, yeah, they'll be clamoring for that one.
 
2013-03-28 04:46:14 PM  

downstairs: but what's the purpose of the start screen


To annoy the living shiat out of people.


Honestly, I can't think of another reason. My new PC has Win 8 and I'm none too fond of it. The laptop I use the most has XP, which I like. The other laptop I use occasionally has Win 7, which I don't like as much as XP, but even Win 7 is better than Win 8.
 
2013-03-28 04:50:10 PM  

downstairs: Not going to bash Win8, because I haven't used it... but what's the purpose of the start screen.  Or, what's the difference between it and a desktop with widgets... which we've had forever?

(Well, I think the widgets came with Vista.)


The idea is a touch compatible full-screen start menu.
 
2013-03-28 04:50:48 PM  
DO NOT WANT
 
2013-03-28 05:00:23 PM  
I just bought a new laptop with Windows 8 and I like it. I liked XP too. I also like the Apple products I own.

I'm sorry, I just can't be arsed to have strong, political opinions about f*cking electronics. I use this sh*t to check my fantasy teams, watch MLB.TV, and read @DadBoner tweets. I don't attach my ego to it.

People who have strong opinions about this crap confuse and frighten me. Maybe it's a generational thing.

Point being, I'm better than you all. More evolved.
 
2013-03-28 05:06:09 PM  
Windows 8 looks like a GUI got sick and started projectile vomiting everywhere. Every time I see it, my eyes bleed.
 
2013-03-28 05:06:23 PM  

downstairs: Not going to bash Win8, because I haven't used it... but what's the purpose of the start screen.  Or, what's the difference between it and a desktop with widgets... which we've had forever?

(Well, I think the widgets came with Vista.)


Technically the start screen widgets  (Metro) can only be obtained from Microsoft's store, so its like using Android or iOS. From there, ONE of your widgets is the classic windows desktop which you have to run ontop of the Metro framework.
 
2013-03-28 05:06:32 PM  
IE 11 for the desktop will offer a

That's an amazing feature, considering that none of my HD monitors have a touch interface.
 
2013-03-28 05:07:12 PM  
Damn the filters!
 
2013-03-28 05:09:50 PM  
Windows 8 is a damn fine, speedy OS.

Unfortunately the UI blows goats.  I understand the need for the start screen on touchscreens, but the way it is implemented and the way that people have to interact with it is horrible.  Why do the "charms" (little buttons that become visible when you swipe the right side of the screen) change their behavior depending on whether or not you are on the start screen?  Try this: from the desktop bring up the charms, click (or press) the settings one, and bring up the control panel.  Now try to do the same from the start screen.  Once you finally notice the "Change PC Settings" buried near the bottom of the menu, you'll end up floundering around a pretty settings page that is absolutely no help to you 90% of the time.

You want to make a UI that doesn't suck?  Start with consistency and don't make it a headache to do something as simple as setting up a wireless connection that doesn't rely on the default manufacturer settings.
 
2013-03-28 05:09:50 PM  

downstairs: Not going to bash Win8, because I haven't used it... but what's the purpose of the start screen.  Or, what's the difference between it and a desktop with widgets... which we've had forever?

(Well, I think the widgets came with Vista.)


The only use I've found is that it's good for old people with failing vision and poor coordination.  We got my grandmother using a touch-screen thingy, it's sort of the large-print-edition version of a computer interface.

Probably good for very small children with similar issues, I'd imagine.

//The experience is sort of like playing Eve online to get to your programs, or run your stuff through the DOS interface everything's in an arbitrarily nested menu structure that you have to memorize, the ability to shortcut things to your desktop/start menu has largely been removed apart from a few entries.  So also probably fine if you literally only do a couple things with your machine.
 
2013-03-28 05:10:36 PM  
It really looks like what Microsoft has done is to take the "pictures of food" concept you see in fast food restaurants and apply it to computers. What they are saying is that you are no smarter as a computer user than the kid running a cash register at McDonald's. How's it feel to be considered the lowest common denominator?
 
2013-03-28 05:11:16 PM  
2002: XP Tablet edition is terrible to use on tablets, the touch interface is impossible to use.
2006: Vista is terrible to use on tablets, the touch interface isn't much improved.
2010: Windows 7 is terrible to use on tablets, the touch interface isn't near as polished as it could be.
2013: Windows 8 is terrible to use on desktops, the touch interface shows up for a few seconds a day and gives me a reason to biatch about things that are different.

/pretty well sums it up.
 
2013-03-28 05:16:29 PM  
From my most trusted source of technology.

"If you take 30 minutes to figure it out, it works better than 7. You just can't be a lazy cry-baby bastard."

/seriously
 
2013-03-28 05:17:46 PM  
I like Windows 8, there's a lot of really good improvements over 7. The new file handling features are very nice, and boot/shutdown times are really good. However, they should have dropped MetroUI from non-touchscreen desktops because it isn't really suited to mouse driven computers (It would probably be fine on tablets and phones), and made the start menu/screen changes optional. The entire thing should have also been a service pack for Windows 7, but they sort of made up for that with the low prices that they initially offered the upgrades for.

Also a lot of the new Metro apps are absolute shiat, and forcing them on desktop users introduces a lot of inconsistencies in the UI. If I open a metro app, then close it, I should be returned to where I was last at, not returned to the start screen. There's no reason that Freecell should be an 80MB download that requires you to play in full screen, and no reason for the media player to be full screen.
 
2013-03-28 05:17:54 PM  
... wait, the new Windows is called Windows Blew?

tiwibzone.tiwib.netdna-cdn.com
 
2013-03-28 05:20:14 PM  

PainInTheASP: Windows 8 is a damn fine, speedy OS.

Unfortunately the UI blows goats.  I understand the need for the start screen on touchscreens, but the way it is implemented and the way that people have to interact with it is horrible.  Why do the "charms" (little buttons that become visible when you swipe the right side of the screen) change their behavior depending on whether or not you are on the start screen?  Try this: from the desktop bring up the charms, click (or press) the settings one, and bring up the control panel.  Now try to do the same from the start screen.  Once you finally notice the "Change PC Settings" buried near the bottom of the menu, you'll end up floundering around a pretty settings page that is absolutely no help to you 90% of the time.

You want to make a UI that doesn't suck?  Start with consistency and don't make it a headache to do something as simple as setting up a wireless connection that doesn't rely on the default manufacturer settings.


Start8   orClassic Shell

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/stardock_start8_vs_classic _s hell2013

I have Win8 on my ultrabook and either one of these works just fine.  Just hot-keyed the charms to fn-Win if I ever want to see them.  (and I don't)  Honestly, I hated the OS when it was first released but it's starting to grow on me a bit.
 
2013-03-28 05:21:35 PM  

SoCalChris: I like Windows 8, there's a lot of really good improvements over 7. The new file handling features are very nice, and boot/shutdown times are really good. However, they should have dropped MetroUI from non-touchscreen desktops because it isn't really suited to mouse driven computers (It would probably be fine on tablets and phones), and made the start menu/screen changes optional. The entire thing should have also been a service pack for Windows 7, but they sort of made up for that with the low prices that they initially offered the upgrades for.

Also a lot of the new Metro apps are absolute shiat, and forcing them on desktop users introduces a lot of inconsistencies in the UI. If I open a metro app, then close it, I should be returned to where I was last at, not returned to the start screen. There's no reason that Freecell should be an 80MB download that requires you to play in full screen, and no reason for the media player to be full screen.


There is also no reason for the new Visual Studio to be as ugly as it is, but man is it ugly.  Someone sucked the colors right out and said, "There, that's hideous!  Let's ship it!"
 
2013-03-28 05:22:15 PM  
W8 Start screen? What's that?

/Has Classic Shell.
//Loves Windows 8.
///As long as it has Classic Shell.
////Other solutions are available, such as Start8.
 
2013-03-28 05:23:36 PM  
downstairs

Not going to bash Win8, because I haven't used it...

Go ahead and bash away, for anything other than a tablet or phone the metro tile interface is retarded.

The rest of is like Win7 with some well, and not so well thought out changes.
 
2013-03-28 05:25:50 PM  
Also Metro app Spider Solitaire sucks donkey balls. It's clunky and just not as responsive as the old XP version. XP also had a fairly useful video editor Movie maker but the W8 version is just dire. It's taken away the core timeline and editing features but added a Facebook button. Whoopdi do.
 
2013-03-28 05:26:37 PM  
Also, for those of you who are confused: "Windows Blue" = "Windows 8 SP1"

It's not a new OS, it's just an update akin to XP SP2.
 
2013-03-28 05:26:59 PM  
Now I can sync Microsoft Bob 2.0 across everything. How will I contain my excitement?
 
2013-03-28 05:28:01 PM  

BunkyBrewman: PainInTheASP: Windows 8 is a damn fine, speedy OS.

Unfortunately the UI blows goats.  I understand the need for the start screen on touchscreens, but the way it is implemented and the way that people have to interact with it is horrible.  Why do the "charms" (little buttons that become visible when you swipe the right side of the screen) change their behavior depending on whether or not you are on the start screen?  Try this: from the desktop bring up the charms, click (or press) the settings one, and bring up the control panel.  Now try to do the same from the start screen.  Once you finally notice the "Change PC Settings" buried near the bottom of the menu, you'll end up floundering around a pretty settings page that is absolutely no help to you 90% of the time.

You want to make a UI that doesn't suck?  Start with consistency and don't make it a headache to do something as simple as setting up a wireless connection that doesn't rely on the default manufacturer settings.

Start8   orClassic Shell

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/stardock_start8_vs_classic _s hell2013

I have Win8 on my ultrabook and either one of these works just fine.  Just hot-keyed the charms to fn-Win if I ever want to see them.  (and I don't)  Honestly, I hated the OS when it was first released but it's starting to grow on me a bit.


Yeah, I'm still debating the start button replacements.  At first I held off because I figured I needed to learn the new way anyway, but you really do need one for a true laptop.  It's sad that they tried to change so much so fast.  There's so much to like about it.  I actually noticed better battery time from my laptop after I installed it.

I suppose I could fire up the Fedora partition while I wait for Windows 9.  Linux ain't gonna learn itself.
 
2013-03-28 05:30:12 PM  

Guuberre: It really looks like what Microsoft has done is to take the "pictures of food" concept you see in fast food restaurants and apply it to computers. What they are saying is that you are no smarter as a computer user than the kid running a cash register at McDonald's. How's it feel to be considered the lowest common denominator?


To me it looks like a Wired Magazine from the 1990's.
 
2013-03-28 05:33:23 PM  
Windows ever so slowly is morphing into a virus.
 
2013-03-28 05:33:38 PM  
SoCalChris: There's no reason that Freecell should be an 80MB download that requires you to play in full screen, and no reason for the media player to be full screen.

My wife is a serious Freecell junkie and loathes the Win7 version. So I just copied the tiny .EXE file from her old XP box and Bob's your uncle. (I also grabbed her stats from the XP's registry and imported it to her Win7 box because I'm a nice guy.)
 
2013-03-28 05:37:18 PM  
When they're touting simple synchronization as an amazing new feature you know they're struggling.
 
2013-03-28 05:39:59 PM  

downstairs: Not going to bash Win8, because I haven't used it... but what's the purpose of the start screen.  Or, what's the difference between it and a desktop with widgets... which we've had forever?

(Well, I think the widgets came with Vista.)


To make you embrace it as if it were a touch device... You have widgets and tiles on the screen instead of application shortcuts, files and folders.
 
2013-03-28 05:40:30 PM  
Then we're missing the point about having different devices, aren't we? I'm cool with Chrome sharing notes about bookmarks, but my living room laptop does different things than my office PC, and thus have very different program loads.
 
2013-03-28 05:40:33 PM  

SoCalChris: I like Windows 8, there's a lot of really good improvements over 7. The new file handling features are very nice, and boot/shutdown times are really good. However, they should have dropped MetroUI from non-touchscreen desktops because it isn't really suited to mouse driven computers (It would probably be fine on tablets and phones), and made the start menu/screen changes optional. The entire thing should have also been a service pack for Windows 7, but they sort of made up for that with the low prices that they initially offered the upgrades for.

Also a lot of the new Metro apps are absolute shiat, and forcing them on desktop users introduces a lot of inconsistencies in the UI. If I open a metro app, then close it, I should be returned to where I was last at, not returned to the start screen. There's no reason that Freecell should be an 80MB download that requires you to play in full screen, and no reason for the media player to be full screen.


Yep i'm having to show my inlaws how to use 8. Under the UI it seems really good and i can see how metro would work very well on a touch screen. The problem is that most desktop computers have the monitor beyond arms reach and most laptop screens are beyond arms reach as well. So you have a UI that is as useless for keyboard and mouse as the XP UI was for touchscreens.

Like most things Microsoft does it feels like it was put together by nerds who are far too wrapped up in a cool bit of technology than by people who understand how people use technology.
 
2013-03-28 05:41:15 PM  
"What's better than your new Windows 8 start screen?"

How about a C:\ prompt?  I'd prefer a C:\ prompt.
 
2013-03-28 05:42:22 PM  
I think my win7 desktop is better then both of those stupid things.  Am I right in hearing something involved with the UI that shall not be named is called a 'charm'?  Way to apple it up, Microsoft.
 
2013-03-28 05:42:49 PM  

wildcardjack: Then we're missing the point about having different devices, aren't we? I'm cool with Chrome sharing notes about bookmarks, but my living room laptop does different things than my office PC, and thus have very different program loads.


...and they're not forcing you to change that. They're giving you the option to change it, if you want.
 
2013-03-28 05:49:41 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Windows 8 looks like a GUI got sick and started projectile vomiting everywhere. Every time I see it, my eyes bleed.


this. well put.
 
2013-03-28 05:53:17 PM  
I know it's Microsoft, but couldn't they have put a little more effort into the start screen? It looks like it was made in MS Paint circa 1993.
 
2013-03-28 05:55:20 PM  
Oh look, more features that would be completely useless to me.

When I upgrade my PC, I'm still getting 7, not 8.
 
2013-03-28 05:59:23 PM  
Stardock just sent out this thing on "ModernMix", an app that does what Microsoft apparently couldn't... put Metro apps in windows, with close buttons and everything!

img2u.info

See, Mr. Ballmer, it's not rocket science.... desktop users can remain productive and you get to keep your walled garden of Metro apps for desktop and tablets.
 
2013-03-28 06:00:19 PM  

Mikey1969: downstairs: Not going to bash Win8, because I haven't used it... but what's the purpose of the start screen.  Or, what's the difference between it and a desktop with widgets... which we've had forever?

(Well, I think the widgets came with Vista.)

To make you embrace it as if it were a touch device... You have widgets and tiles on the screen instead of application shortcuts, files and folders.



Yup. I upgraded to Win8 recently, and while on my desktop gaming machine I hate the new start screen with the burning passion of a thousand suns..... I could actually imagine liking it on a tablet or smartphone. Just not on my desktop PC.

Overall my experience has been pretty lackluster. Even after I escape out of the metro start screen the UI in general (like opening folders, copying files) has a slight delay that it didn't have when I had Win7 on the same hardware. My wife or my grandma probably wouldn't notice it, but this is my gaming machine and I have my Win7 experience to compare it to onthe same hardware, so I notice it. And with 16 friggin' gigs of RAM like my machine has the UI - with no programs running - should be DAMN responsive.

It also crashes more than 7 did, though since Win 8 is so new - and 7 is relatively mature at this point - I imagine there will be a service pack or patch soon which will probably increase stability to closer to Win7.

Overall I don't see any compelling reason to upgrade to Win 8 at all. When it's good it's because it's pretty much like Win7. The things which are different are mostly things I like less than I did on 7, except for the file copy window which I like a LOT - like a whole lot - better than 7. But then again.... I'd installed a 3rd party program to improve the file copy box in 7 anyway...

So my advice is if you have 7 already stick with that, but a Windows 8 (PRO, not the stupid NT) tablet might actually be worth checking out. I'm actually seriously considering a Windows 8 pro tablet, as it would be awesome to run some of the exact same PC programs I have installed on my desktop on the tablet and be able to browse my LAN and stream my media directly over it like I can with my PC. As for my desktop, I'll probably get around to downgrading back to 7 at some point in the near future.
 
2013-03-28 06:01:21 PM  
PUT YOUR WINDOWS 8 START SCREEN ON ALL THE SCREENS!
 
2013-03-28 06:06:09 PM  
I just upgraded a Win7 touchscreen tablet with external 23" touch monitor to Windows 8.  The external touch monitor is not supported by Windows 8.  WTF?  If you build a touch-oriented UI, try supporting some touch monitors, you morons! It goes without saying that the monitor worked fine with Windows 7.

Microsoft decided to go "all-in" on Windows 8.  Looks to me like they bet on a losing hand.  And now they're doubling-down with Blue, which is shows how much they're aping Apple's business model.  Apple at one point had a bunch of features they wanted in the next OS.  Those they felt they could deliver went in the 'pink' stack.  Those that would wait for the next release went in the 'blue' stack.  If I had any MSFT stock I would trade it all for a sandwich.
 
2013-03-28 06:07:51 PM  
I thought this was about making Win8 work properly on multi-monitor setups.  Then I thought this could be cool for domain users without roaming profiles.

*rtfa*

Oh, of course, Microsoft account login only.  Balls.
 
2013-03-28 06:07:56 PM  
oddly enough, when my elderly single core PC needed replacing & I got lazy and bought a built PC, I had only 1 requirement...No Win8
 
2013-03-28 06:10:31 PM  

Geotpf: PUT YOUR WINDOWS 8 START SCREEN ON ALL THE SCREENS!


i218.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-28 06:11:15 PM  

mongbiohazard: Yup. I upgraded to Win8 recently, and while on my desktop gaming machine I hate the new start screen with the burning passion of a thousand suns..... I could actually imagine liking it on a tablet or smartphone. Just not on my desktop PC.


Problem is; both M$ and Apple think we WANT our tablet experience and our desktop experience to be the same. I want my tablet and phone to work similarly, but NOT work in the same way my desktop and laptop do.

And yeah, at this job and my last job, my bosses(IT Directors of each respective place) have told me that I am free to install Win 8 and play with it, but that it's not worth my time, really . 7 is nice and stable, and failing that, XP is still a good OS, I just see nothing that they've done right with 8 at this point.
 
2013-03-28 06:12:37 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Damn the filters!


...AND the torpedoes!
 
2013-03-28 06:14:57 PM  

downstairs: Not going to bash Win8, because I haven't used it... but what's the purpose of the start screen.  Or, what's the difference between it and a desktop with widgets... which we've had forever?

(Well, I think the widgets came with Vista.)


Mail, Facebook messages, reddit messages, news, all in one spot without having to login or go to any of those sites one by one. Here's mine i.imgur.com

I wish they would come up with a way to lock the start screen to my second monitor and I'll be all set
 
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