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(Boston.com)   Judge gives convicted rapist time "to get his affairs in order" before sentencing. So he takes 35 years and raises a family   (boston.com ) divider line 113
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2013-03-28 03:26:41 PM  
I don't get it. Was it legitimate rape?
 
2013-03-28 03:39:17 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: I don't get it. Was it legitimate rape?


by the looks of him
 
2013-03-28 03:40:20 PM  
Thank God, his bright and promising future wasn't taken away from him because of that awful, whorish rape victim of his.

I'm sorry, it's a bit dusty in here.
 
2013-03-28 03:42:01 PM  
Massachusetts State Police arrested Gary Alan Irving, 52, who raped three young women in the summer of 1978, in his South Street home at around 9:15 p.m.


They're awfully precise about when the crime occurred...
 
2013-03-28 03:42:35 PM  

STOP!

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RAPIST TIME!

 
2013-03-28 03:43:02 PM  
CLASSY GUY TRIFECTA, FTW!!!!!
 
2013-03-28 03:43:27 PM  
So a Boston-area fugitive "flees" to Portland-area Maine, all the while changing only his first name. At least put a few countries of distance between yourself and undergo a sex change or something. Make it interesting, you dull, boring, rapey f*ck.
 
2013-03-28 03:45:32 PM  

Killer Cars: So a Boston-area fugitive "flees" to Portland-area Maine, all the while changing only his first name. At least put a few countries of distance between yourself and undergo a sex change or something. Make it interesting, you dull, boring, rapey f*ck.


In the olden days it was much easier to change your identity.

Don't ask me how I know this.
 
2013-03-28 03:45:43 PM  

Killer Cars: So a Boston-area fugitive "flees" to Portland-area Maine, all the while changing only his first name. At least put a few countries of distance between yourself and undergo a sex change or something. Make it interesting, you dull, boring, rapey f*ck.


And he was still able to dodge the law for 35 years... will be interesting to find out what finally gave him away.
 
2013-03-28 03:47:03 PM  

Oenjamin Brr: In the olden days it was much easier to change your identity.

Don't ask me how I know this.

 
2013-03-28 03:47:26 PM  

Benjamin Orr: Killer Cars: So a Boston-area fugitive "flees" to Portland-area Maine, all the while changing only his first name. At least put a few countries of distance between yourself and undergo a sex change or something. Make it interesting, you dull, boring, rapey f*ck.

In the olden days it was much easier to change your identity.

Don't ask me how I know this.


No problem Don Draper..... I assume you mean even late 70s when this guy did it being "olden", since he was successful for 35 years.
 
2013-03-28 03:48:35 PM  

Benjamin Orr: In the olden days it was much easier to change your identity.


Yup.  FARK makes you wait a day before you can start posting again.
 
2013-03-28 03:49:13 PM  
At least he's not a repeat offender. Hell of a conversation around Thanksgiving dinner, though.
 
2013-03-28 03:49:32 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: I don't get it. Was it legitimate rape?


Three women at his house?  Chances are no.
 
2013-03-28 03:51:52 PM  

dletter: Benjamin Orr: Killer Cars: So a Boston-area fugitive "flees" to Portland-area Maine, all the while changing only his first name. At least put a few countries of distance between yourself and undergo a sex change or something. Make it interesting, you dull, boring, rapey f*ck.

In the olden days it was much easier to change your identity.

Don't ask me how I know this.

No problem Don Draper..... I assume you mean even late 70s when this guy did it being "olden", since he was successful for 35 years.


Pre-internet. *shrug*
 
2013-03-28 03:52:20 PM  

dletter: And he was still able to dodge the law for 35 years... will be interesting to find out what finally gave him away.


True. Also, he could've just kept his legal name if he relocated damn near anywhere further away from Portland. If the Soviets worked with the martians and installed advanced weaponry silos somewhere north of Bangor, we may never have found out and they'd still probably be there. Northern Maine is spooky nothingness.
 
2013-03-28 03:52:54 PM  
Guy kept out of trouble for 35 years.  Kind of torn on this one.  If the purpose of prison is rehabilitation what is it going to achieve now?
 
2013-03-28 03:55:45 PM  
I read it, and missed the M. Night Shamaylan  moment. I don't get it.
 
2013-03-28 03:56:16 PM  

Bastard_Lunatic: Guy kept out of trouble for 35 years.  Kind of torn on this one.  If the purpose of prison is rehabilitation what is it going to achieve now?


Well, as far as we know... maybe he just got better after his first screw-up.
 
2013-03-28 03:56:33 PM  

Killer Cars: So a Boston-area fugitive "flees" to Portland-area Maine, all the while changing only his first name. At least put a few countries of distance between yourself and undergo a sex change or something. Make it interesting, you dull, boring, rapey f*ck.


Had he moved further inland in Maine they never would have found him.  That's better than leaving the country, it's like getting in a time machine back to before the crime was even committed.
 
2013-03-28 03:56:38 PM  
But, but, but,  he's lead a productive life as a non-raping member of society since fleeing.
Won't somebody think of the grandchild???
 
2013-03-28 03:56:48 PM  

Bastard_Lunatic: Guy kept out of trouble for 35 years.  Kind of torn on this one.  If the purpose of prison is rehabilitation what is it going to achieve now?


Rehabilitation is not the sole purpose of prison.
 
2013-03-28 03:56:50 PM  

dletter: Benjamin Orr: Killer Cars: So a Boston-area fugitive "flees" to Portland-area Maine, all the while changing only his first name. At least put a few countries of distance between yourself and undergo a sex change or something. Make it interesting, you dull, boring, rapey f*ck.

In the olden days it was much easier to change your identity.

Don't ask me how I know this.

No problem Don Draper..... I assume you mean even late 70s when this guy did it being "olden", since he was successful for 35 years.


Yes the 70s count as the olden days now. Just ask any college student for confirmation.
 
2013-03-28 03:57:23 PM  

RKade: At least he's not a repeat offender. Hell of a conversation around Thanksgiving dinner, though.


How do you know that? He could have just gotten better at not being caught.
 
2013-03-28 03:59:01 PM  
Also, just got this ad on the this....

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Nice use of your money dude.
 
2013-03-28 04:00:24 PM  

Bastard_Lunatic: Guy kept out of trouble for 35 years.  Kind of torn on this one.  If the purpose of prison is rehabilitation what is it going to achieve now?


Let's ask the three women he raped.
 
2013-03-28 04:01:16 PM  

Bastard_Lunatic: Guy kept out of trouble for 35 years.  Kind of torn on this one.  If the purpose of prison is rehabilitation what is it going to achieve now?


Deterrence, Retribution, Rehabilitation, Confinement are the goals of prison.  I'd go with retribution here.

Considering most perpetrators of the worst crimes, including, have little hope for deterrence and rehabilitation.  And since this man has proven by your measure that he doesn't require confinement, he and his victim deserve that justice is done.
 
2013-03-28 04:01:40 PM  
He's 52, been on the run for 34 years, so he was  18 years old when he allegedly raped three women in his own home? Was it statutory rape from before the Romeo & Juliet laws?
 
2013-03-28 04:04:02 PM  
Really?  Dude evaded the police for 35 years by changing his name from Gary Irving to Gregg Irving?

Reminds me of an old Turkey TV skit where the guy hated his name and changed it from Irving Snotpockets to Sydney Snotpockets.
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2013-03-28 04:04:18 PM  
Benjamin Orr:
In the olden days it was much easier to change your identity.

Don't ask me how I know this.


When I turned 16 I need an SS card to work - you didn't get one a birth in those days - so I went to town hall with my school ID and got my birth certificate.  I only need my birth certificate to get the SS card and I only need the SS card to get my drivers license.  With my drivers license I got credit cards and a passport.  Every bit of ID I have started as a laminated picture with my school name an logo on a card.  If I had been thinking I would have done it twenty times more.
 
2013-03-28 04:07:47 PM  

AugieDoggyDaddy: Bastard_Lunatic: Guy kept out of trouble for 35 years.  Kind of torn on this one.  If the purpose of prison is rehabilitation what is it going to achieve now?

Let's ask the three women he raped.


That would probably be the best idea.  This guy probably even paid taxes for those 35 years, now he's a 35k a year burden on the taxpayers until he dies.

I can't pass judgement on what kind of rape it was since the article does not say.  Do you think the judge would give him a few days to get his affairs in order if it was Legitimate™ rape?
 
2013-03-28 04:07:53 PM  
You would think when someone is running from the law they would at least put a few states between them and the crime scene. Maybe change coast or something.
 
2013-03-28 04:10:38 PM  

Cheron: Benjamin Orr:
In the olden days it was much easier to change your identity.

Don't ask me how I know this.

When I turned 16 I need an SS card to work - you didn't get one a birth in those days - so I went to town hall with my school ID and got my birth certificate.  I only need my birth certificate to get the SS card and I only need the SS card to get my drivers license.  With my drivers license I got credit cards and a passport.  Every bit of ID I have started as a laminated picture with my school name an logo on a card.  If I had been thinking I would have done it twenty times more.


You needed to do a little research and find birth certificates for kids that died very young.  That's how the scam worked.  You get legit ID's for dead people your age, or a little older so you can buy booze.
 
2013-03-28 04:11:36 PM  

dletter: Bastard_Lunatic: Guy kept out of trouble for 35 years.  Kind of torn on this one.  If the purpose of prison is rehabilitation what is it going to achieve now?

Well, as far as we know... maybe he just got better after his first screw-up.


thank you.  Given the hell most victims are put through today, I can't imagine how many assaults went unreported in the early eighties for fear of having your entire private life thrown out as evidence of whether you deserved it or not.  It also says that he had a wife and children.  Could be he found a a woman that took the brunt of his abuse for 35 years.  But, as others have said, rehabilitation is not the sole purpose of imprisonment and telling a rape victim "well, we lost the guy...but as long as promises not to do it again, you're ok with it, right?" doesn't seem plausible.
 
2013-03-28 04:12:25 PM  
What Massachusetts State police may look like

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2013-03-28 04:13:33 PM  

Squeebee: He's 52, been on the run for 34 years, so he was  18 years old when he allegedly raped three women in his own home? Was it statutory rape from before the Romeo & Juliet laws?


You should probably read the article again. Maybe parse a few commas or something.
 
2013-03-28 04:15:53 PM  
"At the end of the day, good old-fashioned police work solved the problem," said Morrissey.

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You read this in Police Chief Wiggum's voice.
 
2013-03-28 04:16:50 PM  

Bastard_Lunatic: Guy kept out of trouble for 35 years.  Kind of torn on this one.  If the purpose of prison is rehabilitation what is it going to achieve now?


Well, that's kind of in question now, isn't it?  I'd wager that he's a person of interest in several local unsolved crimes now that the connection has been made, statistically "kept out of trouble" and "wanted fugitive" don't have a strong correlation there.
 
2013-03-28 04:16:58 PM  

Benjamin Orr: Squeebee: He's 52, been on the run for 34 years, so he was  18 years old when he allegedly raped three women in his own home? Was it statutory rape from before the Romeo & Juliet laws?

You should probably read the article again. Maybe parse a few commas or something.


To be clear, he was arrested in his current home... the rapes we really don't know anything about other than it was 3 "young" women 35 years ago.
 
2013-03-28 04:18:37 PM  
"How do you know that? He could have just gotten better at not being caught."And he could have been a fine, upstanding citizen. I doubt he was squeaky but it's a lot harder to rape when you have a family to lie to as opposed to being in a single-room apartment or wherever the hell he used to live.
 
2013-03-28 04:20:56 PM  

Benjamin Orr: Squeebee: He's 52, been on the run for 34 years, so he was  18 years old when he allegedly raped three women in his own home? Was it statutory rape from before the Romeo & Juliet laws?

You should probably read the article again. Maybe parse a few commas or something.


"A convicted rapist from Rockland who fled Massachusetts in 1979 and has spent the last 34 years on the Massachusetts State Police Most Wanted list was captured last night in Gorham, Maine, where he had started a new life under a fake name with a wife, two children, and a granddaughter."

"Massachusetts State Police arrested Gary Alan Irving, 52, "

52 - 34 = 18 last I checked.
 
2013-03-28 04:21:20 PM  
chubby muppet
Really? Dude evaded the police for 35 years by changing his name from Gary Irving to Gregg Irving?


Good thing he didn't take his wife's name when he got married..

Then again, doing the paperwork for the name change could've caused some unwanted attention.
 
2013-03-28 04:21:39 PM  
The police in TFA seem awfully cocky about taking 30 years to catch the guy.

It's like, wow, the police really pwned that convicted criminal by letting him live free for half a lifetime.
 
2013-03-28 04:21:51 PM  
"At the end of the day, good old-fashioned police work solved the problem," said Morrissey.

It works, if speed isn't an issue.
 
2013-03-28 04:22:04 PM  

Benjamin Orr: Squeebee: He's 52, been on the run for 34 years, so he was  18 years old when he allegedly raped three women in his own home? Was it statutory rape from before the Romeo & Juliet laws?

You should probably read the article again. Maybe parse a few commas or something.


Stop blaming the victim (of bad journalism). They should re-write the article to get rid of that ridiculous, misleading paragraph.
 
2013-03-28 04:22:16 PM  
Raped 3 women at the same time? I don't even have enough stamina for 1.
 
2013-03-28 04:23:40 PM  

Bastard_Lunatic: Cheron: Benjamin Orr:
In the olden days it was much easier to change your identity.

Don't ask me how I know this.

When I turned 16 I need an SS card to work - you didn't get one a birth in those days - so I went to town hall with my school ID and got my birth certificate.  I only need my birth certificate to get the SS card and I only need the SS card to get my drivers license.  With my drivers license I got credit cards and a passport.  Every bit of ID I have started as a laminated picture with my school name an logo on a card.  If I had been thinking I would have done it twenty times more.

You needed to do a little research and find birth certificates for kids that died very young.  That's how the scam worked.  You get legit ID's for dead people your age, or a little older so you can buy booze.


I was figuring this guy went from from G Irving to another G Irving because he happened to have a family member roughly his age who died young.  He's know enough background to be able to talk his way past the records clerk, get the SS card, and after that he's good to go.  Although really he should have headed for the West Coast and eventually a foreign country.  Just be an expat teaching English in Japan or some inland city in China and sending a tax form back to Uncle Sam every year.  Stay off social media and all that mess and figure the odds of the MSP making it to Osaka or Wuhan are about zero.
 
2013-03-28 04:23:41 PM  
Man, Michael Palin has really let himself go.

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/actually, the truth is even more horrifying
 
2013-03-28 04:23:43 PM  

Squeebee: He's 52, been on the run for 34 years, so he was  18 years old when he allegedly raped three women in his own home? Was it statutory rape from before the Romeo & Juliet laws?


Romeo raped Juliet??
 
2013-03-28 04:25:54 PM  
"At the end of the day, good old-fashioned police work solved the problem,"

You mean at the end of 12,325 days.
 
2013-03-28 04:26:36 PM  

Squeebee: He's 52, been on the run for 34 years, so he was  18 years old when he allegedly raped three women in his own home? Was it statutory rape from before the Romeo & Juliet laws?


This and raped three young women in the summer of 1978, in his South Street home at around 9:15 p.m. this guy has the shortest refractory period ever.
 
2013-03-28 04:26:39 PM  

Oznog: "At the end of the day, good old-fashioned police work solved the problem," said Morrissey.

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You read this in Police Chief Wiggum's voice.


Guilty.

/not of rape
 
2013-03-28 04:27:17 PM  

Bastard_Lunatic: Guy kept out of trouble for 35 years.  Kind of torn on this one.  If the purpose of prison is rehabilitation what is it going to achieve now?


I might be torn because of the possibility that he has reformed.  But he did do a serious crime -- the only thing he could done worse would have been is to have been a murderer.  "Sorry" is not enough.   And the message needs to be sent: if you rape a woman then you are screwed.
 
2013-03-28 04:27:25 PM  
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2013-03-28 04:27:28 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: Benjamin Orr: In the olden days it was much easier to change your identity.

Yup.  FARK makes you wait a day before you can start posting again.


lulz......or in some cases two days...or a week...
 
2013-03-28 04:28:24 PM  

johnperkins: Massachusetts State Police arrested Gary Alan Irving, 52, who raped three young women in the summer of 1978, in his South Street home at around 9:15 p.m.

They're awfully precise about when the crime occurred...


What's really incredible is that he managed all three women within the space of a single minute. (Well, OK, let's call it three minutes. They did say "around".)

One minute each ladies, time to hop onboard the rapey train!
 
2013-03-28 04:29:21 PM  

mcreadyblue: Squeebee: He's 52, been on the run for 34 years, so he was  18 years old when he allegedly raped three women in his own home? Was it statutory rape from before the Romeo & Juliet laws?

Romeo raped Juliet??


She asked for it

'Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,
And for that name which is no part of thee
Take all myself.
 
2013-03-28 04:30:12 PM  

Bastard_Lunatic: Guy kept out of trouble for 35 years.  Kind of torn on this one.  If the purpose of prison is rehabilitation what is it going to achieve now?


Or managed not to get caught again for 35 years, depending upon how you look at it. Who's to say if there's a string of new victims stretching back three decades?
 
2013-03-28 04:32:49 PM  

TheMysteriousStranger: Bastard_Lunatic: Guy kept out of trouble for 35 years.  Kind of torn on this one.  If the purpose of prison is rehabilitation what is it going to achieve now?

I might be torn because of the possibility that he has reformed.  But he did do a serious crime -- the only thing he could done worse would have been is to have been a murderer.  "Sorry" is not enough.   And the message needs to be sent: if you rape a woman then you are screwed.


As others have said, it was rape in that the laws were shiatty and they nailed an 18 year year for sleeping some high school girls, I can't really muster much outrage.  In fact it was consensual sex that just got classified as stat rape,  I'd say give the guy a pardon assuming he has 32 years of keeping his nose clean because really all his problems stem from shiatty laws.  Doubly so with the pardon if other people were released once the state realized the law was stupid, changed it, and handed out parole/early release to everyone they convicted with it.

Whereas if it was violent rape, date rape, or any such thing, off to the jail cell with him.
 
2013-03-28 04:37:24 PM  
My bet is he pissed a family member (from 'before') or friend off and they turned him in.
Total rubbish from the police praising 1) their tenacity and 2) their clever detective work.
 
2013-03-28 04:39:57 PM  
'Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,
And for that name which is no part of thee
Take all myself.


WTF? Go home Shakespeare, you're drunk!
 
2013-03-28 04:40:08 PM  
Ok since we're all speculating I went and found the real story:

In June 1979 Irving was convicted of the ambush rapes of three young women from Cohasset, Weymouth and Holbrook. All the attacks were committed in the summer of 1978.
 
2013-03-28 04:41:01 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Bastard_Lunatic: Guy kept out of trouble for 35 years.  Kind of torn on this one.  If the purpose of prison is rehabilitation what is it going to achieve now?

Well, that's kind of in question now, isn't it?  I'd wager that he's a person of interest in several local unsolved crimes now that the connection has been made, statistically "kept out of trouble" and "wanted fugitive" don't have a strong correlation there.


This.
This guy raped 3 girls. It's not like he got into a he said she said situation and was convicted of rape. He raped three girls. That is a person who knows what he likes, and what he likes is rape. He wasn't stopping after those girl like he got all of the rape out of his system with them.

On another note, what kind of judge lets a person who is facing decades in prison out before sentencing to get his affairs in order? It wasn't like he was facing a few months or years. What did he think would happen? I wonder if the judge was related to him in some way, a friend of a family member or if this guy's family wasn't well connected.
 
2013-03-28 04:41:47 PM  
Three rapes at 9:15?

What'd he do with the other 30 seconds?
 
2013-03-28 04:43:48 PM  

ongbok: On another note, what kind of judge lets a person who is facing decades in prison out before sentencing to get his affairs in order? It wasn't like he was facing a few months or years. What did he think would happen? I wonder if the judge was related to him in some way, a friend of a family member or if this guy's family wasn't well connected.


Also from the better article:

Irving's father was an auxiliary Rockland police officer, so then-Norfolk County Superior Court Judge Robert Prince didn't consider Irving a flight risk.

"I extended him a privilege, and he ran out on it," Prince said in a 2005 Patriot Ledger interview.
 
2013-03-28 04:44:23 PM  

FARK rebel soldier: Ok since we're all speculating I went and found the real story:

In June 1979 Irving was convicted of the ambush rapes of three young women from Cohasset, Weymouth and Holbrook. All the attacks were committed in the summer of 1978.


Well, jail for him I'd say then. Nowhere near as innocent as the potential teenage foursome turned into a stat rape case the lack of facts made possible.
 
2013-03-28 04:47:12 PM  
"At the end of the day, good old-fashioned police work solved the problem"

If it takes 35 years to solve a crime the old-fashioned way I think I prefer the modern way.  And, I'm sure the judge in this case had zero guilt in his escape and has/is basking in retirement.
 
2013-03-28 04:48:58 PM  

MagSeven: Bastard_Lunatic: Guy kept out of trouble for 35 years.  Kind of torn on this one.  If the purpose of prison is rehabilitation what is it going to achieve now?

Rehabilitation is not the sole purpose of prison.


Its the reckonin.
 
2013-03-28 04:53:07 PM  
So Gary Irving flees Boston for Portland, Maine and uses the alias Gregg Irving.  Some good police work there.
 
2013-03-28 04:57:21 PM  
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It's....?

...hot
 
2013-03-28 05:01:05 PM  
They let a convicted rapist facing life in prison have a week to themselves unsupervised before sentencing? Brilliant!
 
2013-03-28 05:01:29 PM  

Ned Stark: Three rapes at 9:15?

What'd he do with the other 30 seconds?


Smoke 3 cigarettes at once?
 
2013-03-28 05:01:30 PM  
Out of curiosity - IANAL - aside from the duties of the legal system, will his victims have any say over the matter?  If he hasn't committed any other crimes - leaving that likelihood out for a moment - do their views count?  There are no hard and fast rules for how one deals with these things; they mightn't want it all dredged up again.
 
2013-03-28 05:03:12 PM  

Bastard_Lunatic: Guy kept out of trouble for 35 years.  Kind of torn on this one.  If the purpose of prison is rehabilitation what is it going to achieve now?


Torn? Like the vaginas of the girls he raped?
 
2013-03-28 05:03:58 PM  

Bastard_Lunatic: Guy kept out of trouble for 35 years.  Kind of torn on this one.


Yeah.  I'll bet the women that he raped are kind of torn, too.
 
2013-03-28 05:05:00 PM  

ACunningPlan: Out of curiosity - IANAL - aside from the duties of the legal system, will his victims have any say over the matter?  If he hasn't committed any other crimes - leaving that likelihood out for a moment - do their views count?  There are no hard and fast rules for how one deals with these things; they mightn't want it all dredged up again.


He's already convicted.  He just needs to be sentenced and incarcerated.  The victims can voice opinions on the sentence, but the judge(or sentencing laws) make the decision.  This is the same situation as Roman Polanski.
 
2013-03-28 05:05:05 PM  
Another man going to prison for a victimless crime...
 
2013-03-28 05:05:23 PM  
OK, since we're speculating wildly here, why not: What if he fled because he'd been wrongly accused/convicted, and DNA evidence will now exonerate him?

/My point? I don't really have one. Just wanted to join the fun.
 
2013-03-28 05:06:42 PM  

johnperkins: Massachusetts State Police arrested Gary Alan Irving, 52, who raped three young women in the summer of 1978, in his South Street home at around 9:15 p.m.


They're awfully precise about when the crime occurred...


9:15 p.m.

Judea

About tea time.
 
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2013-03-28 05:07:25 PM  
ACunningPlan

The victims will have an opportunity to make a victim impact statement if the prosecutor can find them. There's little chance of the prosecutor dropping charges because the guy was already convicted. Maybe there was some legal issue at trial that was not a problem 35 years ago but is reversible error now. Then he would deal for a lower sentence in return for waiving appeal. You can't appeal if you flee after sentencing but I'm not sure the so-called "fugitive disentitlement doctrine" would apply to flight before sentencing.
 
2013-03-28 05:07:35 PM  

Lost Thought 00: They let a convicted rapist facing life in prison have a week to themselves unsupervised before sentencing? Brilliant!


In their defense, it was 1979.  Back then, in Southeastern Massachusetts we were encouraged to go on outings with Catholic priests, accept candy from strangers, throw Jets fans off the back of stadiums, and break other various laws then blame it on a nonexistent minority. If you forgot to blame a minority, the cops would just do it for us.  Times were different.
 
2013-03-28 05:09:21 PM  

JesusJuice: Another man going to prison for a victimless crime...


The vicitmless crime of hiding in bushes with a knife and raping women?

Al-righty then.
 
2013-03-28 05:09:46 PM  
ongbok:

On another note, what kind of judge lets a person who is facing decades in prison out before sentencing to get his affairs in order? It wasn't like he was facing a few months or years. What did he think would happen? I wonder if the judge was related to him in some way, a friend of a family member or if this guy's family wasn't well connected.

The judge must post here on Fark.
 
2013-03-28 05:14:01 PM  

Bastard_Lunatic: Guy kept out of trouble for 35 years.  Kind of torn on this one.  If the purpose of prison is rehabilitation what is it going to achieve now?


You'd keep out of trouble too if you were wanted for 3 rapes. Shoot him between the eyes and dump his body in a lake.
 
2013-03-28 05:22:19 PM  

Lost Thought 00: They let a convicted rapist facing life in prison have a week to themselves unsupervised before sentencing? Brilliant!


They did that with a guy here in Portland who was about to be sentenced for sex abuse and child porn charges. Judge just had an ankle tracker slapped on him and let him go on his merry way. Of course he cut it off and fled to Mexico.

Link
 
2013-03-28 05:28:22 PM  
Bet he wishes he had gotten a tattoo to cover up that scar. But really, they didn't have farking finger print ink that day or what?
 
2013-03-28 05:29:45 PM  
He's all set for retirement.
Free medical care for life, etc.
Awesome.

/And Assachusettes cops are douchebags.
 
2013-03-28 05:33:19 PM  

GORDON: The police in TFA seem awfully cocky about taking 30 years to catch the guy.

It's like, wow, the police really pwned that convicted criminal by letting him live free for half a lifetime.


I have $20 that says they only caught him because he confessed to the wrong person or else the police pulled him over for speeding and couldn't verify his ID.  They probably just got lucky and are now calling that "tenacity."
 
2013-03-28 05:34:57 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Killer Cars: So a Boston-area fugitive "flees" to Portland-area Maine, all the while changing only his first name. At least put a few countries of distance between yourself and undergo a sex change or something. Make it interesting, you dull, boring, rapey f*ck.

Had he moved further inland in Maine they never would have found him.  That's better than leaving the country, it's like getting in a time machine back to before the crime was even committed.


As someone who lives on the very edge of this nothingness, and yet has a short-ish commute to the Portland area, I concur.  My PO box came with my rental.  Let THAT sink in for a minute..  Our Post office is the front room of the farmhouse at the corner.  I'm the neighborhood arsehole because I dont wave to anything that moves.  This shiat is the setting of a Stephen King novel.

/Bet all my neighbors are rapists.  The 'purty mouth' kind.
 
2013-03-28 05:40:59 PM  
I'd run, too, if I were facing a really long prison sentence.

Let's say he didn't do anything else bad after the three rapes - what's the point in imprisoning him now?  It's not like rehabilitation would be required.
 
2013-03-28 05:41:47 PM  

Squeebee: Benjamin Orr: Squeebee: He's 52, been on the run for 34 years, so he was  18 years old when he allegedly raped three women in his own home? Was it statutory rape from before the Romeo & Juliet laws?

You should probably read the article again. Maybe parse a few commas or something.

"A convicted rapist from Rockland who fled Massachusetts in 1979 and has spent the last 34 years on the Massachusetts State Police Most Wanted list was captured last night in Gorham, Maine, where he had started a new life under a fake name with a wife, two children, and a granddaughter."

"Massachusetts State Police arrested Gary Alan Irving, 52, "

52 - 34 = 18 last I checked.


Yes you can do math. Now find the part that said he raped 3 girls in his own home.
 
2013-03-28 05:47:35 PM  

Mr Rogers is aroused: As someone who lives on the very edge of this nothingness, and yet has a short-ish commute to the Portland area, I concur.  My PO box came with my rental.  Let THAT sink in for a minute..  Our Post office is the front room of the farmhouse at the corner.  I'm the neighborhood arsehole because I dont wave to anything that moves.  This shiat is the setting of a Stephen King novel.

/Bet all my neighbors are rapists.  The 'purty mouth' kind.


No doubt.  The only reason I know is that my grandfather built a house on one of the smaller ponds west of Portland (less than an hour drive) that I've been going to my entire life.  The phrase "turn off the paved road" is featured in the driving directions.  Same deal with the PO Box, my parents spend the summer up there now, still have to include the post office on their weekly errands.
 
2013-03-28 05:54:36 PM  

Bastard_Lunatic: Guy kept out of trouble for 35 years.  Kind of torn on this one.  If the purpose of prison is rehabilitation what is it going to achieve now?


prison is to punish and rehab
the rapist has not paid ANY debt to society by staying free
 
2013-03-28 05:56:38 PM  

ZAZ: ACunningPlan

The victims will have an opportunity to make a victim impact statement if the prosecutor can find them. There's little chance of the prosecutor dropping charges because the guy was already convicted. Maybe there was some legal issue at trial that was not a problem 35 years ago but is reversible error now. Then he would deal for a lower sentence in return for waiving appeal. You can't appeal if you flee after sentencing but I'm not sure the so-called "fugitive disentitlement doctrine" would apply to flight before sentencing.


fark
lock him up and throw the key away
you dont think that she has lived in fear that he was out there??
 
2013-03-28 06:03:49 PM  

MagSeven: Bastard_Lunatic: Guy kept out of trouble for 35 years.  Kind of torn on this one.  If the purpose of prison is rehabilitation what is it going to achieve now?

Rehabilitation is not the sole purpose of prison.


Yeah, don't forget the profit.
 
2013-03-28 06:04:59 PM  

ZAZ: ACunningPlan

The victims will have an opportunity to make a victim impact statement if the prosecutor can find them. There's little chance of the prosecutor dropping charges because the guy was already convicted. Maybe there was some legal issue at trial that was not a problem 35 years ago but is reversible error now. Then he would deal for a lower sentence in return for waiving appeal. You can't appeal if you flee after sentencing but I'm not sure the so-called "fugitive disentitlement doctrine" would apply to flight before sentencing.


bhcompy: He's already convicted.  He just needs to be sentenced and incarcerated.  The victims can voice opinions on the sentence, but the judge(or sentencing laws) make the decision.  This is the same situation as Roman Polanski.



Thank you both:)
 
2013-03-28 06:09:09 PM  

Benjamin Orr: Squeebee: Benjamin Orr: Squeebee: He's 52, been on the run for 34 years, so he was  18 years old when he allegedly raped three women in his own home? Was it statutory rape from before the Romeo & Juliet laws?

You should probably read the article again. Maybe parse a few commas or something.

"A convicted rapist from Rockland who fled Massachusetts in 1979 and has spent the last 34 years on the Massachusetts State Police Most Wanted list was captured last night in Gorham, Maine, where he had started a new life under a fake name with a wife, two children, and a granddaughter."

"Massachusetts State Police arrested Gary Alan Irving, 52, "

52 - 34 = 18 last I checked.

Yes you can do math. Now find the part that said he raped 3 girls in his own home.


You're being a pain in the donkey about something that was not clear in the article - which is why I went and found the other one.
 
2013-03-28 06:11:52 PM  

FARK rebel soldier: Benjamin Orr: Squeebee: Benjamin Orr: Squeebee: He's 52, been on the run for 34 years, so he was  18 years old when he allegedly raped three women in his own home? Was it statutory rape from before the Romeo & Juliet laws?

You should probably read the article again. Maybe parse a few commas or something.

"A convicted rapist from Rockland who fled Massachusetts in 1979 and has spent the last 34 years on the Massachusetts State Police Most Wanted list was captured last night in Gorham, Maine, where he had started a new life under a fake name with a wife, two children, and a granddaughter."

"Massachusetts State Police arrested Gary Alan Irving, 52, "

52 - 34 = 18 last I checked.

Yes you can do math. Now find the part that said he raped 3 girls in his own home.

You're being a pain in the donkey about something that was not clear in the article - which is why I went and found the other one.


Welcome to fark?
 
2013-03-28 06:19:03 PM  
Bangor?
 
2013-03-28 06:19:45 PM  

namatad: ZAZ: ACunningPlan

The victims will have an opportunity to make a victim impact statement if the prosecutor can find them. There's little chance of the prosecutor dropping charges because the guy was already convicted. Maybe there was some legal issue at trial that was not a problem 35 years ago but is reversible error now. Then he would deal for a lower sentence in return for waiving appeal. You can't appeal if you flee after sentencing but I'm not sure the so-called "fugitive disentitlement doctrine" would apply to flight before sentencing.

fark
lock him up and throw the key away
you dont think that she has lived in fear that he was out there??


Well there are three victims.  And I agree with you about fear, but also one [maybe more] could have moved away, started over completely & not necessarily shared what happened to her with anyone else.  W/o being in her shoes, it's not possible to judge whether she would want it revealed/dragged out etc., etc.  That's why I was wondering about the victim[s] pov.

The court proceedings sometimes only offer comfort because the person is locked up and can't [shouldn't] be able to do it again.  In terms of what happened on a personal level, locking the guy away doesn't undo what happened and for some it's easier to simply try and leave that behind.  Some find talking about it helps, some don't.
 
2013-03-28 06:20:57 PM  
Great, the only times my town gets in the news is this guy and when Jeff Probst's girlfriend was from here.
 
2013-03-28 06:21:29 PM  

Myria: I'd run, too, if I were facing a really long prison sentence.

Let's say he didn't do anything else bad after the three rapes - what's the point in imprisoning him now? It's not like rehabilitation would be required.


Justice? Punishment?
 
2013-03-28 06:43:05 PM  

Hassan Ben Sobr: Bangor?


Hardly knew her!
 
2013-03-28 07:10:31 PM  

GORDON: The police in TFA seem awfully cocky about taking 30 years to catch the guy.

It's like, wow, the police really pwned that convicted criminal by letting him live free for half a lifetime.


Ya..... FTFA:
"'We're the Massachusetts State Police, and we always get our man.' I think that's the simple answer."

Did you just tough talk a dead guy?
 
2013-03-28 07:16:50 PM  

Myria: I'd run, too, if I were facing a really long prison sentence.

Let's say he didn't do anything else bad after the three rapes - what's the point in imprisoning him now?  It's not like rehabilitation would be required.


Well, only if you think that the "point' of laws are to punish and imprison the actual offender, and not, for instance, to assure the community at large that the rule of law is in fact enforced. It's a true and statistically and empirically proven fact, for instance, that the majority of murderers only commit one murder; if they are not caught (and punished) they're not going to commit another murder ever again. John List is an obvious example: He murdered his entire family one day, and was found something like 35 years later (with another whole family) having never acquired so much as a parking ticket in the meantime. Another guy in Southern California killed two cops after kidnapping four teenagers and raping one of them; he was found so many years later that he was a great-grandfather and the rape victim was in her 80's. He also had not reoffended in all that time.

Shall we say, Oh, well, then, no harm no foul? These guys are clearly no threat to society so let's just overlook the fact that they killed people a long time ago? I guess we could--if the only purpose of laws is to punish the offender. However, laws are also meant to stabilize society and assure the community that justice is a concrete thing and not merely an abstract concept. Laws and the guarantee of their execution--even after many years and no further offense--is what keeps people from taking justice into their own hands; the assurance that the authorities have things under control.
 
2013-03-28 07:40:04 PM  

Bastard_Lunatic: Guy kept out of trouble for 35 years.  Kind of torn on this one.  If the purpose of prison is rehabilitation what is it going to achieve now?


I feel like this would actually be a really good sentencing program.  Assuming you haven't been convicted of major like murder or, well, rape, you get put on a super-probation.  Your prison sentence is suspended and you are free to go on about your life on one condition: if you get so much as a parking ticket, we're bringing you in.  Seems like it would be a pretty good incentive to play it straight.
 
2013-03-28 07:42:48 PM  
I don't get this "getting your affairs in order" crap. In the UK as soon as you are sentenced to imprisonment you are taken down to the holding cells then they whisk your ass straight off to prison.
 
2013-03-28 07:50:33 PM  

RKade: At least he's not a repeat offender. Hell of a conversation around Thanksgiving dinner, though.


That we know of.
 
2013-03-28 08:02:09 PM  

ukexpat: I don't get this "getting your affairs in order" crap. In the UK as soon as you are sentenced to imprisonment you are taken down to the holding cells then they whisk your ass straight off to prison.


In some cases, like Federal fraud crimes, where the offender is a business person and they're going to be going to prison and doing 85% of their time before they get parole; or where the offender has a clean record; US courts will sometimes release him between the trial and the start of his sentence to get everything taken care of--hand over the shop keys, sign the bank accounts over to his partner, kiss the kids goodbye. Not always. And not usually for violent crimes, so this is kind of odd.
 
2013-03-28 08:07:14 PM  

ha-ha-guy: TheMysteriousStranger: Bastard_Lunatic: Guy kept out of trouble for 35 years.  Kind of torn on this one.  If the purpose of prison is rehabilitation what is it going to achieve now?

I might be torn because of the possibility that he has reformed.  But he did do a serious crime -- the only thing he could done worse would have been is to have been a murderer.  "Sorry" is not enough.   And the message needs to be sent: if you rape a woman then you are screwed.

As others have said, it was rape in that the laws were shiatty and they nailed an 18 year year for sleeping some high school girls, I can't really muster much outrage.  In fact it was consensual sex that just got classified as stat rape,  I'd say give the guy a pardon assuming he has 32 years of keeping his nose clean because really all his problems stem from shiatty laws.  Doubly so with the pardon if other people were released once the state realized the law was stupid, changed it, and handed out parole/early release to everyone they convicted with it.

Whereas if it was violent rape, date rape, or any such thing, off to the jail cell with him.


it's like you guys didn't read the article.  the prosecutor described the circumstances of his crime:  "...would ambush teenaged girls or young woman when he chanced upon them while driving his car. Once he saw a woman he wanted to sexually assault, Sabadini said Irving would drive ahead on the road the woman was walking on, park his car, and then lurk in the bushes until the woman came nearby."
 
2013-03-28 11:29:18 PM  
While it's awesome they crack the cold cases from time to time this case is a classic example of what's wrong with out legal system. It's slow as all hell and doesn't provide justice.

Put yourself in those women's shoes. I'm jogging, this kid rapes me. I call the police, they catch him, try him, and convict him, and then lose him. He's out there for 34 years. It's a lifetime and they guy who attacked me is still out there lurking. Who knows where he is? Catching him now won't give me back my safety during those 34 years. Regardless of what happens now, it's an L.

Hell, even if he went to federal prison what's stopping him from raping other people? Prisoners are people, too. You can rape 'em. Ask the Booty Warrior.

www.baltimore-club.com

If he ever gets out, he'll be nothing but an unemployable rapist with years upon years of training under his belt. Maybe you'll never be attacked again by him, but a hobo with a black belt in rapeyujitsu is what is smelted from the crucible of long incarceration. Still not safety, still not justice.

But doglover, how can we give the legal system true justice? I'm glad you asked. When two men argued over ownership of a goat, wise king solomon had the goat cut in half to teach them. If we just cut rapists in half I'm pretty sure it will all work out.
 
2013-03-28 11:32:28 PM  
He must have had a lot of affairs.
 
2013-03-28 11:36:26 PM  

Gyrfalcon: However, laws are also meant to stabilize society and assure the community that justice is a concrete thing and not merely an abstract concept.


But there's no justice in the legal system.
 
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