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(Washington Post)   In today's episode of "good things happen to bad people", Powerball lotto winner who is getting $152 Million lump sum, after taxes, owes $29K in back child support   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 394
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2013-03-28 03:57:13 PM

nocturnal001: Sure is, stupid and irrational behaviors that somebody else pays the price for (his kids and taxpayers respectively).


Interesting, that's not what I've come to expect from Fark.
 
2013-03-28 03:57:15 PM
And THIS is one of the reasons why I'm ever-so-picky about when getting a girlfriend/wife.

"What?! You've never had a girlfriend/wife yet?!"

Correct. Because this is one of the reasons why: because the child support and alimony system is too far too crazy.

/guy seems like a deadbeat, btw
 
2013-03-28 03:57:36 PM

Quigs: 4.bp.blogspot.com


Oh, boy, that Mallard Fillmore sure has some competition now...
 
2013-03-28 03:58:27 PM

PsyLord: Isitoveryet: shda5582: Why am I not surprised he's mexican?

Dominican Republics =/= Mexican.

seeing that you are in the Chino area, i can understand your generalization but c'mon, that's just bad form.

[i3.ytimg.com image 320x180]
/obscure?


Dominicans roll crêpes much too tightly.
 
2013-03-28 03:58:33 PM

sammyk: Slaxl: what_now: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.

Perhaps he doesn't have any money?

I wonder if maybe there was some sort of economic factor beyond his control. Something like a worldwide recession and unprecedented high unemployment.


Are you sure you know what the word unprecedented means?
 
2013-03-28 03:59:28 PM

PsyLord: Isitoveryet: shda5582: Why am I not surprised he's mexican?

Dominican Republics =/= Mexican.

seeing that you are in the Chino area, i can understand your generalization but c'mon, that's just bad form.

[i3.ytimg.com image 320x180]
/obscure?


"The English Patient"
 
2013-03-28 03:59:48 PM
I wonder what the media would say about me if I won (I have no kids... that I know of). Like what kind of dirt would come up with crazy people. I'd still like a $100+ million. But I'd get the hell out of the US.
 
2013-03-28 03:59:55 PM

tylerdurden217: Masta Kronix: That says more about you than the people you are using your own arbitrary, moral compass to pass judgment on.

I don't think you have ever used a compass, because that was a flawed analogy. There are certain specific behaviors that people exhibit that are some indication of how they treat other people. If you don't agree with that concept, I really don't want to meet the scum that you associate with.

If some dude beats his girlfriend, date rapes at college, doesn't pay child support, abuses animals/children/friends/strangers/..., kills people, steals, etc. I don't feel like I need to take a step back and look at their other qualities that may or may not be good. You are right, that does say something about me. You are right, I pass judgement. You should admit that you also do. You know almost nothing about me, but still felt comfortable telling me that I could do "society a favor" by changing the way I think.

I think you could do society a favor by being a little less tolerant of assholes. When friends ignore the douchebaggery of their asshole friends, it makes them think that it's really not all that bad, but it really is.


This is Fark.  Such rational, free-thinking individualism is not tolerated herein.
Oh, and,,,,bravo!
 
2013-03-28 04:00:59 PM

DrewCurtisJr: olddinosaur: /// Sick and tired of seeing my tax money feed someone else's bastards.

Just because you are behind on child support doesn't mean the kids are on welfare and the kids are starving.


Don't taunt the dynamite monkey. The sign clearly states this message.
 
2013-03-28 04:01:14 PM

SquiggsIN: Who knows what trouble he's had to keep him from paying that back support... maybe he is really just a deadbeat.  I hope his baby-mommas are all planning on taking him back to court for a readjustment.  He now has the money to truly provide everything his children will ever need and let's hope that he's required he chooses to do so.

 
2013-03-28 04:01:15 PM
Quigs:

4.bp.blogspot.com

You know when feminism is going to actually mean something in the west?  Seriously?  The actual "HA!" moment?  About an hour after women stop going, "nuh UH, whatEVER, cause vaGIna!"  That's when.  Not holding my hand on my butt waiting.
 
2013-03-28 04:01:22 PM

sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.


I agree with the family court part.  That place is mind boggling and if you've never been... you can't be told, you have to go yourself.

However, child support is not negotiable.  Your child, your money, not your choice.  Failing to have any money is also not acceptable.  If you aren't literally starving to death, you had better be putting money toward that kid.  Anything else is uncivilized.  (hey, don't like it, don't have kids)
 
2013-03-28 04:01:39 PM
My son grabbed my wallet one time and said, "I'm going to take all your money."  I responded, "Your mom already did that."  The wallet had no cash.

CSB

2 more years and I am done paying for her new appliances and just pay my son directly.

"Dad can I borrow..."

"Yes...yes you can."
 
2013-03-28 04:02:22 PM

tylerdurden217: Masta Kronix: That says more about you than the people you are using your own arbitrary, moral compass to pass judgment on.

I don't think you have ever used a compass, because that was a flawed analogy. There are certain specific behaviors that people exhibit that are some indication of how they treat other people. If you don't agree with that concept, I really don't want to meet the scum that you associate with.

If some dude beats his girlfriend, date rapes at college, doesn't pay child support, abuses animals/children/friends/strangers/..., kills people, steals, etc. I don't feel like I need to take a step back and look at their other qualities that may or may not be good. You are right, that does say something about me. You are right, I pass judgement. You should admit that you also do. You know almost nothing about me, but still felt comfortable telling me that I could do "society a favor" by changing the way I think.

I think you could do society a favor by being a little less tolerant of assholes. When friends ignore the douchebaggery of their asshole friends, it makes them think that it's really not all that bad, but it really is.


No it doesn't.

Plenty of people are told how much of an asshole they are being and it doesn't change their behavior.

That asshole who beats his girlfriend, date rapes in college and doesn't pay child support has reasons for their behavior.

Rape isn't inherent, it's learned. Anger isn't inherent, it's learned. Violence isn't inherent, it's learned.

You want them to change, teach them new ways instead of expecting them to just know what you know and act how you act.

You're taking the easy way out. It's much harder to understand and help than it is to persecute and judge.
 
2013-03-28 04:04:22 PM

ekdikeo4: I didn't pay any from 2003 to 2009, because I was not employed, yet the court refused to reduce my payment, which was based on my high water earnings at my previous employer .. so, the last 3 years I was there, I wasn't able to foot the bill, as my earnings had gone down (but the court argued that since I was still at the same job, I should be still making the same amount of money .. irrelevant to the fact that on that high water year they measured by, I had set virtually every sales and profit record in the company, so the vast majority of my income was "bonus"), by the time I was no longer employed there, I owed 4k, and by the time I was re-employed, it was up to 20k.

Of course, during this whole time I was unemployed, the child's mother also was unemployed, so therefore, I was expected to foot her part of everything, as well.  Which is pretty damn difficult with -0- income.

Sooooooooooooooooo..... yeah, child support courts can be really difficult to work with.


Maybe your problem was telling the court you weren't employed while you were still employed?
 
2013-03-28 04:05:49 PM

rkiller1: How do you know? He could be Panamanian, Guatemalan, El Salvadoran. Colombian, Venezuelan or Spanish.


All of those are just differente words for Mexican.
 
2013-03-28 04:07:03 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: shda5582: Why am I not surprised he's mexican?

Because you're a racist.


I'd guess that 85% of Fark is racist - the other 15% is some weird melange of ethnic origin.
/i keed
 
2013-03-28 04:07:49 PM

Quigs: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x308]


dyurrrrp
 
2013-03-28 04:07:59 PM
The oppressed, protected class fandango applies to the following people.

People with dark skin.  People with a vagina.  People who are gay.  People with billions of dollars.  The rest of you better start kissing the aforementioned asses rosy and cutting checks.

No seriously.

Look into it.
 
2013-03-28 04:08:20 PM

Trance354: knew a guy once that had several kids by several women, and he was working as a cabbie so that he could make money under the table.  Speaking as someone who may not have the ability to have kids(not for lack of trying, though), this man looks so happy, though he should have had the money in check form at the mother's house, on one knee, begging forgiveness.  Any child I may father would be the light of my life.  This dirt bag cabbie was shirking his duty so he could buy lotto tickets and booze.  It is a long and painful time, is parenting.  Can't handle it?  It's a $2 condom.  You don't deserve to be the biological father with actions like his.  Neither does the lotto winner.  Give it to someone who can regulate their bodily functions a little better.

/here I thought subby was going somewhere else with the headline.
//chances are good that we hear about this moron in the news
///dead with his wife pointing to a string of mistresses as the cause of her temporary insanity
[temeez.com image 600x300]


You sound sterile
 
2013-03-28 04:08:56 PM

Bippal: As someone engaged to a person owed 7 grand in back support plus 10k in birthing costs getting a kick etc. But she's constantly getting the run around from the courts on getting him to pay anything. The judge even said once that the sperm donor would get special consideration because of a tour of duty in Iraq. Now here we sit, myself raising his kids, him taking off to oregon and knocking up an 18 year old, and us trying to get him to give up legal rights. Id rather him have nothing at all to do with them, it's not like he is anyways.


So adopt the kid and take over or stufu
 
2013-03-28 04:11:16 PM

Masta Kronix: One can argue there are actions that hurt society as a whole when it comes to quality of life and progress however you would then have to define a Universal Metric for what Quality of Life and Progress means and prove that's the undisputed metric by which we should use.


Sadly, proving such a metric is not possible without sufficient precognitive powers to foresee every single challenge to the definition for the rest of eternity. Perhaps a rewording is in order, such as creating a metric that is capable of adapting to a wide variety of circumstances, and can even be suspended or abandoned if survival can be proven to depend on doing so.

/here in the USA, we have this thing we call a Constitution
//it's worked for 200 or so years, though it didn't account for the possibility that representation without taxation could be just as damaging as taxation without representation
 
2013-03-28 04:13:52 PM

Tatterdemalian: /here in the USA, we have this thing we call a Constitution//it's worked for 200 or so years


Wait for it.  *taps watch*
 
2013-03-28 04:14:34 PM

BarkingUnicorn: And a thoughtful family court judge will order it placed in trust for the children, with an income stream to the custodial parent(s) for the kids' reasonable support until they turn 18.


Why should this guy have to set a trust up for his children?  Parents that stay together and raise their kids together aren't required to, even if they are loaded.
 
2013-03-28 04:15:03 PM
http://www.fark.com/comments/7671033/83297902#c83297902" target="_blank">Masta Kronix: No I didn't, what I did was give a scientific and based in reality explanation for why human beings act the way they do sometimes.

You're the individual who can't get past this binary everything is broken down into "Good/Bad" actions and those who commit "bad" actions are bad and those who commit "good" actions are good.

How one judges an action is based solely on their own personal interpretation of said actions. How one forms an interpretation of actions is based on their own moral and philosophical view.

One can argue there are actions that hurt society as a whole when it comes to quality of life and progress however you would then have to define a Universal Metric for what Quality of Life and Progress means and prove that's the undisputed metric by which we should use.

It's easy to judge others actions as bad/good, any idiot can do it, it's much more difficult to understand their actions and the underlying causes without prejudice or bias.


You got all that from a few lines of text? Amazing.

Can you tell me what the next powerball numbers will be?


See, here is the difference between you and me (or at least the you that you are presenting). I do live in the real world. In the real world there are consequences for your actions. A rational person looks at the world and not being omniscient takes what information he does have and fills in what he doesn't based on his knowledge and experiences.


We have an article about a guy who got way behind on his child support, owns a small business, and just won the lottery. Now, apparently Fark is the repository for all the men in the US that have fallen victim to conniving women out to steal their wealth, but in the real world most guys that are behind on child support have decided not to pay. Either that decision is active (I literally won't pay or I'm going to take a cash job so I don't have to) or passive (I don't want to get a job, or work more hours, or get a second job). Sure, no doubt some are genuinely well intentioned guys that either got screwed over in court or fell on hard times, but odds are odds. He has a small business, judging by his area I can also suspect that he might be dealing in a lot of cash sales (easy to hide his income). He also bought at least one lottery ticket, and knowing how much the average lotto buyer spends compared to their income we can also assume he has purchased more than that in his life.


At bare minimum he has been pissing away a few bucks here and there that could have gone to help pay for his kid or at worst alleviate his legal obligation. Now, for all of these dead beat dads who are so innocent in all of this, who get's to pick up the tab? I do, as a taxpayer. This selfish or lazy fark is probably causing his child to receive government assistance. He may not be a "bad" person, but he can surely do better and in my book not taking care of your children is fairly bad. I don't care what in his past led him to be a deadbeat dad.I am not tasked with fixing him, nor am I tasked with punishing him. I never said good and bad were simple concepts, I simply stated that he was probably a deadbeat.


Pretend you aren't human all you want, but you are very ignorant if you do not understand that this IS human nature (this has been studied extensively, scientifically). As a survival mechanism humans take what they know and then fill in the gaps as best they can. Sometimes they do so incorrectly, usually they are correct though. I am going to make another guess in that you just think you are so evolved as to be above our silly concepts of right and wrong, or judging people. It is a shame though to see a creature so advanced wasting his time on a website famous for a squirrel with giant nuts.
 
2013-03-28 04:15:08 PM

Descartes: Mo money, less problems.


In theory, but that clown in WV who won the assload of money proves that hilarity can ensue at any moment.
 
2013-03-28 04:16:19 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: shda5582: Why am I not surprised he's mexican?

Because you're a racist.


I once naively thought a person born in Mexico was a Mexican, but now I learn Mexico = race.  Perhaps because there's no such word as "countryist" and screaming "racist" packs a bigger emotional and political whollop.
 
2013-03-28 04:16:54 PM
Uh, this dude IS a bad person. Period. Not paying child support makes you a bad person. Yes there are reasons you get behind. There are legal remedies. Yes family court sucks. It is burdensome and slow and can be expensive. However...... just because you lose your job and can't pay doesn't mean squat. Your unemployment doesn't mean your children don't get hungry, or need clothes, or a roof over their head, or water to drink, etc etc etc. He obviously found a mean to support himself, so he obviously realizes the need for necessities, he just chose to not extend that to his own children. That makes him a bad person.

/Pays a lot of child support, before any other bill
//Doesn't biatch about it
///Wife is owed $12k in support from her ex. He is a bad person.
 
2013-03-28 04:17:19 PM

stevenboof: Why should this guy have to set a trust up for his children?  Parents that stay together and raise their kids together aren't required to, even if they are loaded.


Because he's worth over a tenth of a billion dollars and nobody cries at a douchebag's funeral while they shovel his remaining wealth into the casket.
 
2013-03-28 04:17:31 PM

tylerdurden217: xanadian: Ya know, it's funny when someone immediately jumps to the conclusion that just because he's a dude and owes child support that he must be a bad person.

Either submitter is trolling or is a woman.

Please describe a scenario in which a person avoids paying child support for years and is still a good person.


Easy enough.

A friend of mine met a woman. Went on a few dates, did the sexual thing with her, and then found out she was married. He dumped her immediately.

Few years goes by, and a man shows up at his door with a notice saying he needs to take a paternity test. He then finds out he has a 3 year old. During that time, he didn't know he had a child, but due to the test showing a match, he now owes back child support.

/Poor bastard. Both him and his child.
 
2013-03-28 04:17:43 PM

Tatterdemalian: Masta Kronix: One can argue there are actions that hurt society as a whole when it comes to quality of life and progress however you would then have to define a Universal Metric for what Quality of Life and Progress means and prove that's the undisputed metric by which we should use.

Sadly, proving such a metric is not possible without sufficient precognitive powers to foresee every single challenge to the definition for the rest of eternity. Perhaps a rewording is in order, such as creating a metric that is capable of adapting to a wide variety of circumstances, and can even be suspended or abandoned if survival can be proven to depend on doing so.

/here in the USA, we have this thing we call a Constitution
//it's worked for 200 or so years, though it didn't account for the possibility that representation without taxation could be just as damaging as taxation without representation


Expect the Constitution hasn't really worked all that well for the past 200 years when you consider the condition America is in at this moment in time.

If the Constitution was such a great document, we wouldn't be in the situation we find ourselves in as a country.

We constantly ranked below other countries in almost all measurable metrics.

We're just now getting around to deciding whether or not states have the right to deny Marriage Equality to a whole section of the United States Populace, using the constitution as a reference.

Yes, surely the Constitution is the end all document that we should all refer to when making decisions based on current issues.

Human Beings 200 years ago knew more about the complexities of society and how to solve those complexities then current human beings today.
 
2013-03-28 04:18:19 PM

Masta Kronix: shda5582: Why am I not surprised he's mexican?

Probably because you hold racist views and use race as a metric to judge others.


Weird, I had assumed he was white.  Guess I'm self hating?
 
2013-03-28 04:18:24 PM

GoldSpider: nocturnal001: Sure is, stupid and irrational behaviors that somebody else pays the price for (his kids and taxpayers respectively).

Interesting, that's not what I've come to expect from Fark.


I'm new here, give me time.
 
2013-03-28 04:19:07 PM

Thespecialistkc: However...... just because you lose your job and can't pay doesn't mean squat


Math begs to differ.  I suppose you can start robbing liquor stores but the prison wood shop doesn't pay much, either.
 
2013-03-28 04:19:26 PM
Why is it everytime there's a big payout only 1 person wins?  Would much rather see 10 different winners splitting that $320 mil.


/luck of the balls I guess
 
2013-03-28 04:20:53 PM

Masta Kronix: No it doesn't.

Plenty of people are told how much of an asshole they are being and it doesn't change their behavior.

That asshole who beats his girlfriend, date rapes in college and doesn't pay child support has reasons for their behavior.

Rape isn't inherent, it's learned. Anger isn't inherent, it's learned. Violence isn't inherent, it's learned.

You want them to change, teach them new ways instead of expecting them to just know what you know and act how you act.

You're taking the easy way out. It's much harder to understand and help than it is to persecute and judge.


Yeah, I think we're done here. I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. If you meet someone who is an admitted serial rapist, who commits acts of violence on defenseless people and animals you are saying that you wouldn't classify them as a bad person, but I would. Got it. You might like to get to try to understand this person. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, I just don't have that kind of time on my hands. I've got shiat to deal with that is infinitely more important.

I would not tolerate inhumane treatment of (what I consider to be bad) people. But I also will not tolerate their behavior that I consider to be bad. I'll even go as far as to just label them bad and move about my day. When it becomes my responsibility to deal with someone like this (ie. one of my own children exhibits criminal or otherwise bad behavior) then I'll deal with it then. Until then, it's just not something I'm too concerned with.

People need to be good parents and make sure their children behave and do well in school and also provide for them financially. Period.
 
2013-03-28 04:21:10 PM
I think what's important here is that we never bother to take a good long gaze at how we treat each other over money.
 
2013-03-28 04:21:17 PM

Masta Kronix: Tatterdemalian: Masta Kronix: One can argue there are actions that hurt society as a whole when it comes to quality of life and progress however you would then have to define a Universal Metric for what Quality of Life and Progress means and prove that's the undisputed metric by which we should use.

Sadly, proving such a metric is not possible without sufficient precognitive powers to foresee every single challenge to the definition for the rest of eternity. Perhaps a rewording is in order, such as creating a metric that is capable of adapting to a wide variety of circumstances, and can even be suspended or abandoned if survival can be proven to depend on doing so.

/here in the USA, we have this thing we call a Constitution
//it's worked for 200 or so years, though it didn't account for the possibility that representation without taxation could be just as damaging as taxation without representation

Expect the Constitution hasn't really worked all that well for the past 200 years when you consider the condition America is in at this moment in time.

If the Constitution was such a great document, we wouldn't be in the situation we find ourselves in as a country.

We constantly ranked below other countries in almost all measurable metrics.

We're just now getting around to deciding whether or not states have the right to deny Marriage Equality to a whole section of the United States Populace, using the constitution as a reference.

Yes, surely the Constitution is the end all document that we should all refer to when making decisions based on current issues.

Human Beings 200 years ago knew more about the complexities of society and how to solve those complexities then current human beings today.


dgt1.net
 
2013-03-28 04:22:53 PM

Okieboy: Why is it everytime there's a big payout only 1 person wins?  Would much rather see 10 different winners splitting that $320 mil.


/luck of the balls I guess


Astoundingly astronomical odds, or so it's said.  The odds of two people hitting those odds at once are like Andromeda astronomical.
 
2013-03-28 04:25:20 PM

nocturnal001: http://www.fark.com/comments/7671033/83297902#c83297902" target="_blank">Masta Kronix: No I didn't, what I did was give a scientific and based in reality explanation for why human beings act the way they do sometimes.

You're the individual who can't get past this binary everything is broken down into "Good/Bad" actions and those who commit "bad" actions are bad and those who commit "good" actions are good.

How one judges an action is based solely on their own personal interpretation of said actions. How one forms an interpretation of actions is based on their own moral and philosophical view.

One can argue there are actions that hurt society as a whole when it comes to quality of life and progress however you would then have to define a Universal Metric for what Quality of Life and Progress means and prove that's the undisputed metric by which we should use.

It's easy to judge others actions as bad/good, any idiot can do it, it's much more difficult to understand their actions and the underlying causes without prejudice or bias.

You got all that from a few lines of text? Amazing.

Can you tell me what the next powerball numbers will be?


See, here is the difference between you and me (or at least the you that you are presenting). I do live in the real world. In the real world there are consequences for your actions. A rational person looks at the world and not being omniscient takes what information he does have and fills in what he doesn't based on his knowledge and experiences.


We have an article about a guy who got way behind on his child support, owns a small business, and just won the lottery. Now, apparently Fark is the repository for all the men in the US that have fallen victim to conniving women out to steal their wealth, but in the real world most guys that are behind on child support have decided not to pay. Either that decision is active (I literally won't pay or I'm going to take a cash job so I don't have to) or passive (I don't want to get ...


Again that whole reply can be summed up as

"This guy isn't behaving the way I say he should and therefore is a bad person because I deem him so"

When in reality, this guy is behaving in a manner that is perfectly reasonable given his life experiences and physiological make up.

People have reasons for their behavior that is much more complicated than your nuanced approach of "We all know what's up and should be able to figure shiat out accordingly."

Case and point you said " As a survival mechanism humans take what they know and then fill in the gaps as best they can "

So why doesn't this apply to this man? He's doing the best he can given the circumstance he find himself in.
 
2013-03-28 04:25:55 PM

foxyshadis: fickenchucker: I used to be harsh about this stuff, until a friend of mine was put through the wringer by the lazy twat he married.

Eh, nobody's perfect. He probably wasn't a saint either, and might have even had a clue about her beforehand. Hell, I asked a crazy latina to marry me, god knows if I don't end up in a ditch if I get divorced, I'll be lucky to escape with the shirt off my back. It'd be no one's fault but mine; even if I have complaints about her, I knew them before hand, so I can't cry ignorance.

Not many deserve the shiat they get, but the real world is a harsh mistress. We take our lumps and move on.



You're correct--he now admits he was infatuated and ignored the warning signs.  And ignored all of his friends and family who tried to warn him, myself included.

He's pulled through the divorce well and loves his kids.  He gets 50% of the time with the kids and looks for ways to get more, since the kids flat-out dislike their mom for breaking up the family.  The ex is verging on dirt-poor because she is still too lazy to work, while he runs a fairly large IT department and was able to cut the alimony time short.

He makes over $150,000, and the child support he has to pay out is $28,800, which starts declining in a few years.
 
2013-03-28 04:27:20 PM

bunner: stevenboof: Why should this guy have to set a trust up for his children?  Parents that stay together and raise their kids together aren't required to, even if they are loaded.

Because he's worth over a tenth of a billion dollars and nobody cries at a douchebag's funeral while they shovel his remaining wealth into the casket.


Hey, if your comfortable with the government telling you that if you have over X amount of money, it may redistribute it as it sees fit, then that's cool.
 
2013-03-28 04:28:23 PM

Masta Kronix: Anger isn't inherent, it's learned.


Dafuq? Anger is a feeling, not a behavior - and I suspect that you're pedantic diatribes here are nothing more than learned behavior, either by some cognitive behavioral therapy, self-help books - or most likely a court appointed anger management class.
 
2013-03-28 04:29:34 PM

SearchN: Easy enough.

A friend of mine met a woman. Went on a few dates, did the sexual thing with her, and then found out she was married. He dumped her immediately.

Few years goes by, and a man shows up at his door with a notice saying he needs to take a paternity test. He then finds out he has a 3 year old. During that time, he didn't know he had a child, but due to the test showing a match, he now owes back child support.

/Poor bastard. Both him and his child.


OK, that's a really good (albeit unfortunate) example. My original statement was a bit of a generalization and so I clarified a bit above with "A person might have many great qualities, but if they don't take care of their children's financial needs, that's a deal breaker for me. There are no doubt exceptions, but that's the rule"

You have presented an exception. He does have 3+15 years of financial responsibility, but he's not a deadbeat. This is definitely an exception.
 
2013-03-28 04:30:02 PM

stevenboof: Hey, if your comfortable with the government telling you that if you have over X amount of money, it may redistribute it as it sees fit, then that's cool.


I'm comfortable with the idea that we start using money for what it's for and conscionable men doing ethical things.  Like we're supposed to and tell ourselves we do.
 
2013-03-28 04:30:17 PM

special20: Masta Kronix: Anger isn't inherent, it's learned.

Dafuq? Anger is a feeling, not a behavior - and I suspect that you're pedantic diatribes here are nothing more than learned behavior, either by some cognitive behavioral therapy, self-help books - or most likely a court appointed anger management class.


You got me :lol:

Anger is in no way a learned, everyone is born Angry!

Why I can remember wanting to slap my mother the second I came out the womb for no apparent reason at all.
 
2013-03-28 04:30:23 PM

Masta Kronix: no

cturnal001: Again that whole reply can be summed up as

"This guy isn't behaving the way I say he should and therefore is a bad person because I deem him so"

When in reality, this guy is behaving in a manner that is perfectly reasonable given his life experiences and physiological make up.

People have reasons for their behavior that is much more complicated than your nuanced approach of "We all know what's up and should be able to figure shiat out accordingly."

Case and point you said " As a survival mechanism humans take what they know and then fill in the gaps as best they can "

So why doesn't this apply to this man? He's doing the best he can given the circumstance he find himself in.


This is how human society works.  We get together and say "we like these actions, we do not like these other actions".  It is simple really.

So, "he is doing the best he can"?  How is that NOT giving anyone and everyone a pass?

You know.  When my car breaks down, I like to figure out why the issue happened.  Why did my serpentine belt break?  It's good information to know so that maybe I can prevent that from happening in the fugure.  Just because I figured out why it broke doesn't mean that it's not broken.
 
2013-03-28 04:31:00 PM

Masta Kronix: Human Beings 200 years ago knew more about the complexities of society and how to solve those complexities then current human beings today.


If that were true, I wouldn't have to talk in riddles to sneak anything past the people who would take away my voice.
 
2013-03-28 04:31:24 PM

bunner: stevenboof: Hey, if your comfortable with the government telling you that if you have over X amount of money, it may redistribute it as it sees fit, then that's cool.

I'm comfortable with the idea that we start using money for what it's for and conscionable men doing ethical things.  Like we're supposed to and tell ourselves we do.


Who decided that money was "for" anything?
 
2013-03-28 04:32:38 PM

what_now: Slaxl:

Perhaps he doesn't have any money?

so..why's he playing the lotto?


Ever been in a convenience store on welfare day?
 
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