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(Washington Post)   In today's episode of "good things happen to bad people", Powerball lotto winner who is getting $152 Million lump sum, after taxes, owes $29K in back child support   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 394
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2013-03-28 03:30:30 PM

John Buck 41: I'm sure this has been mentioned but he apparently scraped up enough for a Powerball ticket.

F**k this a**hole.


Oh man, he scraped up an entire dollar? That monster!
 
2013-03-28 03:30:38 PM
Maybe guys should be a little more cautious about where they put their dick.
 
2013-03-28 03:30:40 PM
The guy ran a farking bodega in Passiac. His entire business is selling Dutchmasters, booze, Newports......and lotto tickets. Of course, you might play yourself on a lark after clicking off Powerball tickets all day.

My advice for this guy: Cut a check and hire a expensive attorney before you lose everything from baby-mama drama. Hide cash offshore if you have to.
 
2013-03-28 03:30:47 PM

sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.


Yup, shiat happens.  It is good that this will be cleared up with the winnings regardless of the moral standing of the deadbeat.  (still gonna call him a deadbeat)
 
2013-03-28 03:31:19 PM

what_now: Slaxl: what_now: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.

Perhaps he doesn't have any money?

so..why's he playing the lotto?


In this case, it has beaten my sandwich-heavy portfolio.

www.pequepuzzle.com
 
2013-03-28 03:31:20 PM
And now he can pay it.  Welcome to the new wives tales.  He might have just been poor.  A lot of poor people pay the lottery.  Now, he's not poor.  Worked out.
 
2013-03-28 03:31:51 PM

nocturnal001: Masta Kronix: Rurouni: This is the deadbeat dad apologists thread apparently.

Funny, it seemed more along the lines of "jump on the moral superiority and self-righteous bandwagon to make ourselves feel better about ourselves" thread?

I wonder why it isn't the "She should have made a better choice in men and making decisions" thread if we want to start placing blame instead of understanding.

Surely she should have known what type of character the individual was she willingly opening up her legs for him, right?

I mean, she had a choice with whom to have a child with? Wouldn't it be her fault for not picking a more "good" person? Anyone?

It sure as hell isn't his kid's fault.


Never said it was, what I said was it didn't make this individual a bad person and reducing the subject down to such a ridiculous binary Good/Evil is doing more harm than good.

Bad father perhaps, but not a bad person deserving of all this hatred and self-righteous drivel taking place in this thread.
 
2013-03-28 03:31:52 PM

SquiggsIN: I hope his baby-mommas are all planning on taking him back to court for a readjustment.  He now has the money to truly provide everything his children will ever need and let's hope that he's required to do so.


Baby momma is entitled to the original award.
Nothing more.
 
2013-03-28 03:32:09 PM
Do the right thing and set up a college fund. Don't be a cheapass.
 
2013-03-28 03:32:28 PM

Mugato: Maybe guys should be a little more cautious about where they put their dick.


100% this.
 
2013-03-28 03:32:53 PM

DrewCurtisJr: olddinosaur: If ya can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em.

Throw the bum in jail, teach him a lesson.

Would you throw a guy in jail if he lost his job and had to cut back on his family spending?


If he could work and would not, yeah I would. And if he had the money and would not pay, doubly so.

If he flips burgers all day, delivers pizzas all night and mows lawns all weekend, he would have the money. If he is not crippled, retarded or blind he gets no sympathy from me.

/// Sick and tired of seeing my tax money feed someone else's bastards.
 
2013-03-28 03:33:48 PM
Countdown to the exes filing lawsuits to get more than 29k in 3...
 
2013-03-28 03:34:00 PM
I once met a woman who used her child support payments to get drunk. Grandma took care of the kid and didn't bother asking for the support payments because it would have been more trouble than it was worth. I wouldn't have blame the guy involved if he fell behind...
 
2013-03-28 03:34:28 PM
Pay her off.  Make your kids millionaires.  Sell the bodega or hire people to run it and create jobs.  Don't be a douche.
 
2013-03-28 03:34:36 PM

PiffMan420: The guy ran a farking bodega in Passiac. His entire business is selling Dutchmasters, booze, Newports......and lotto tickets. Of course, you might play yourself on a lark after clicking off Powerball tickets all day.

My advice for this guy: Cut a check and hire a expensive attorney before you lose everything from baby-mama drama. Hide cash offshore if you have to.


He needs a whole financial team that he can trust, Lawyer is just one part.

He has a new full time job now.   Learning how to manage that much money effectively and not getting it stolen from him by a whole slew of scumbags.

Fortunately, I don't know any of the scumbags that will try to rip him off.   I don't have enough money for them to be interested in me.
 
2013-03-28 03:35:09 PM
Why am I not surprised he's mexican?
 
2013-03-28 03:35:22 PM

tylerdurden217: Masta Kronix: tylerdurden217: xanadian: Ya know, it's funny when someone immediately jumps to the conclusion that just because he's a dude and owes child support that he must be a bad person.

Either submitter is trolling or is a woman.

Please describe a scenario in which a person avoids paying child support for years and is still a good person.

Every scenario.

Good/Evil is to binary, try to think a little more outside the box. It'll do you and society a favor.

This man is more than just whether or not he pays child support and these knee jerk reactions based on emotion and self-righteousness are part of the problem.

It's not like we just had a debilitating recession and the job market right now is dismal at best.

Living in a "Just World" is fun because it makes you the "Good" guy and other people the "Bad" guys.


Unemployment at 8% means there's a pretty good chance that a person who doesn't pay child support, is doing so for selfish reasons. Man or woman, if you don't intend on providing for your offspring until they can provide for themselves, get fixed. I have known MANY people who did everything they could to avoid child support and not ONE of them was doing it for any reason other than selfish. A person might have many great qualities, but if they don't take care of their children's financial needs, that's a deal breaker for me. There are no doubt exceptions, but that's the rule. There might be some people who are 99% amazing human beings, but beat their dog at home. That's a deal breaker for me. I don't give a fark what their situation is, I can neatly file that under "no me gusta"... bad person.


That says more about you than the people you are using your own arbitrary, moral compass to pass judgment on.
 
2013-03-28 03:35:44 PM

fickenchucker: I used to be harsh about this stuff, until a friend of mine was put through the wringer by the lazy twat he married.


Eh, nobody's perfect. He probably wasn't a saint either, and might have even had a clue about her beforehand. Hell, I asked a crazy latina to marry me, god knows if I don't end up in a ditch if I get divorced, I'll be lucky to escape with the shirt off my back. It'd be no one's fault but mine; even if I have complaints about her, I knew them before hand, so I can't cry ignorance.

Not many deserve the shiat they get, but the real world is a harsh mistress. We take our lumps and move on.
 
2013-03-28 03:36:43 PM

Masta Kronix: nocturnal001: Masta Kronix: Rurouni: This is the deadbeat dad apologists thread apparently.

Funny, it seemed more along the lines of "jump on the moral superiority and self-righteous bandwagon to make ourselves feel better about ourselves" thread?

I wonder why it isn't the "She should have made a better choice in men and making decisions" thread if we want to start placing blame instead of understanding.

Surely she should have known what type of character the individual was she willingly opening up her legs for him, right?

I mean, she had a choice with whom to have a child with? Wouldn't it be her fault for not picking a more "good" person? Anyone?

It sure as hell isn't his kid's fault.

Never said it was, what I said was it didn't make this individual a bad person and reducing the subject down to such a ridiculous binary Good/Evil is doing more harm than good.

Bad father perhaps, but not a bad person deserving of all this hatred and self-righteous drivel taking place in this thread.


Well jeez, with that standard.  As much hate and bile there is on the net I think the only people ever really worth are Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ghengis Kahn, and maybe that girl from South Carolina that wanted to give maps to African children or something.
 
2013-03-28 03:37:03 PM

BunkoSquad: I wonder what the overlap is between the "sometimes men can't pay child support for reasons beyond their control" crowd and the "keeps your legs closed if you don't want kids, lady" crowd.


It's just one circle.
 
2013-03-28 03:37:38 PM

shda5582: Why am I not surprised he's mexican?


Probably because you hold racist views and use race as a metric to judge others.
 
2013-03-28 03:38:06 PM
Investment bankers steal billions, tank it, pick our pockets to get it back and blow the money on bonuses.  Job creators.  Pillars of the community.  Some schnook lucks out, nail him up.  Corporations love it when people start eating each other cause "that money should be MINE" while they steal our pensions and eat out of our pantries.  Ha ha.
 
2013-03-28 03:38:21 PM

olddinosaur: /// Sick and tired of seeing my tax money feed someone else's bastards.


Just because you are behind on child support doesn't mean the kids are on welfare and the kids are starving.
 
2013-03-28 03:39:33 PM
I have a friend who was 35k in arrearages  before his daughter was 6 months old.

How did that happen you ask. Well when his daughter was born he went and petitioned the state to set child support payments.  When his daughter was about a month old she got an ear infection and had to be admitted to the hospital. He had health insurance for his daughter, but instead of using his health insurance his daughter's mother used her medicaid or medicare, what ever it is, card because his health insurance had a $75 copay and she didn't want to pay it. He didn't find out about this until 2 months later when they were at the child support hearing and they told him he had an arrearage of 35k. So I guess if the article was about him and it said that he owed child support of 35k - what ever he paid off, dating back to 2008, some of you would be screaming that he was a deadbeat also.

And for those of you saying that he should have asked for a reduction if he couldn't pay, the court doesn't automatically give out reductions. I know a few people that ask for reductions when they were laid off and couldn't find work, or found other jobs that paid far less than they were making before, and refused reductions and told to get two or three jobs if they had to.
 
2013-03-28 03:39:53 PM
I think my father still owes that much for me from decades ago. Really it's child support, by the time you get to that point you know the payor won't be paying.
 
2013-03-28 03:41:00 PM

nocturnal001: Masta Kronix: nocturnal001: Masta Kronix: Rurouni: This is the deadbeat dad apologists thread apparently.

Funny, it seemed more along the lines of "jump on the moral superiority and self-righteous bandwagon to make ourselves feel better about ourselves" thread?

I wonder why it isn't the "She should have made a better choice in men and making decisions" thread if we want to start placing blame instead of understanding.

Surely she should have known what type of character the individual was she willingly opening up her legs for him, right?

I mean, she had a choice with whom to have a child with? Wouldn't it be her fault for not picking a more "good" person? Anyone?

It sure as hell isn't his kid's fault.

Never said it was, what I said was it didn't make this individual a bad person and reducing the subject down to such a ridiculous binary Good/Evil is doing more harm than good.

Bad father perhaps, but not a bad person deserving of all this hatred and self-righteous drivel taking place in this thread.

Well jeez, with that standard.  As much hate and bile there is on the net I think the only people ever really worth are Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ghengis Kahn, and maybe that girl from South Carolina that wanted to give maps to African children or something.


Or we are all human beings and given the same situation and circumstances we'd be just as likely to exhibit the behavior of those individuals as you would any other.

You're not special, your the result of your life experiences and how your physiological make up allows you to respond and learn from those experiences.

See, it's fun to degrade and judge others whom we deem less human or morally corrupt according to our own moral compass because it makes us feel better about ourselves.

See I'm a "good" person, so therefore they must be a "bad" person since I manage to follow rules A,B,C!

Must easier to live in that world than the real world.
 
2013-03-28 03:41:12 PM

Masta Kronix: shda5582: Why am I not surprised he's mexican?

Probably because you hold racist views and use race as a metric to judge others.


North Jersey......my money's on Domincian or Puerto Rican.

If you must stereotype other races, do it right!
 
2013-03-28 03:44:01 PM

puffy999: Do you know what "unemployment," in the context in which you are using it, means?


I understand the actual unemployment statistic from the BLS quite well. I used it to suggest that most people looking for a job, have a job. If you have a mouth to feed other than your own and you are free from the custody of that responsibility, the LEAST you can do is search a little harder than the other unemployed people.

"Can't find a job" doesn't cut it. I'm not talking about someone who makes a late payment occasionally .. I'm saving my criticism for those that NEVER pay or are so far behind that the figure is totaling in the thousands or worse yet, 10's of thousands.
 
2013-03-28 03:44:37 PM

shda5582: Why am I not surprised he's mexican?


Because you're a racist.
 
2013-03-28 03:44:41 PM

kronicfeld: Slaxl: what_now: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.

Perhaps he doesn't have any money?

Maybe, but if he has no money and didn't move for a reduction then he has no one but himself to blame. And of course if he has no money through his own fault, then that's no excuse.


How do you know he didn't move for a reduction?  Maybe the 29K is after the reduction.
 
2013-03-28 03:45:13 PM
The common practice is for whores to marry a foolish man, bear a few miserable brats, sue for divorce and child support, and then begin a downward spiral of serial monogamy and loose alliances until the meal tickets come of age and the money stops.

An especially crafty whore can start the first round of leeching at 18 to 20 years old, and still be able to repeat the exercise with a new fallguy at the end of her practical childbearing years -- around 38 to 40 years old.
 
2013-03-28 03:45:42 PM

WhippingBoy: A Shambling Mound: With any luck they just garnish his unpaid amount from his winnings so at least his kid will see some money before this newly minted millionaire gets back about the very serious business of shirking his responsibilities in a much nicer car.

Garnish? GARNISH???


HAHAHAHAHAHA


What are you laughing about?  Do you think Shambling meant, "stick a pickle slice on his winnings?"
 
2013-03-28 03:47:49 PM

PiffMan420: Masta Kronix: shda5582: Why am I not surprised he's mexican?

Probably because you hold racist views and use race as a metric to judge others.

North Jersey......my money's on Domincian or Puerto Rican.

If you must stereotype other races, do it right!


My bad.

/Trolling aside, I work collections for a living and every single mexican, dom, or PR that we deal with is always (and I don't stereotype, I literally mean always) have some form of civil judgement against them, and 9/10 times it's for unpaid child support.
 
2013-03-28 03:48:03 PM

Masta Kronix: nocturnal001: Masta Kronix: nocturnal001: Masta Kronix: Rurouni: This is the deadbeat dad apologists thread apparently.

Funny, it seemed more along the lines of "jump on the moral superiority and self-righteous bandwagon to make ourselves feel better about ourselves" thread?

I wonder why it isn't the "She should have made a better choice in men and making decisions" thread if we want to start placing blame instead of understanding.

Surely she should have known what type of character the individual was she willingly opening up her legs for him, right?

I mean, she had a choice with whom to have a child with? Wouldn't it be her fault for not picking a more "good" person? Anyone?

It sure as hell isn't his kid's fault.

Never said it was, what I said was it didn't make this individual a bad person and reducing the subject down to such a ridiculous binary Good/Evil is doing more harm than good.

Bad father perhaps, but not a bad person deserving of all this hatred and self-righteous drivel taking place in this thread.

Well jeez, with that standard.  As much hate and bile there is on the net I think the only people ever really worth are Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ghengis Kahn, and maybe that girl from South Carolina that wanted to give maps to African children or something.

Or we are all human beings and given the same situation and circumstances we'd be just as likely to exhibit the behavior of those individuals as you would any other.

You're not special, your the result of your life experiences and how your physiological make up allows you to respond and learn from those experiences.

See, it's fun to degrade and judge others whom we deem less human or morally corrupt according to our own moral compass because it makes us feel better about ourselves.

See I'm a "good" person, so therefore they must be a "bad" person since I manage to follow rules A,B,C!

Must easier to live in that world than the real world.


That's bullcrap.  You just gave everyone who ever did something bad a pass.
 
2013-03-28 03:49:35 PM
I just know he isn't going to only give $29K. I bet he gives them a $1 million. If he is a good hearted man.
 
2013-03-28 03:49:56 PM

asmodeus224: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Yup, shiat happens.  It is good that this will be cleared up with the winnings regardless of the moral standing of the deadbeat.  (still gonna call him a deadbeat)


"Deadbeat" is for those who refuse to pay, not for those who cannot.  I'll go along with "failure" for the latter, noting that failure is not always a choice.
 
2013-03-28 03:53:30 PM
$1000 says he will blow it within 5 years
 
2013-03-28 03:53:34 PM

nocturnal001: Doesn't have money to take care of this kids?

Of course we don't know his story, but odds are he is a deadbeat. Of course he had enough expendible income to buy friggin lottery tickets so yeah, pretty damned sure he was a deadbeat.


I'd venture to guess that your opinion of welfare recipients buying things like cigarettes and lottery tickets is totally consistent with your condemnation of deadbeat dads.
 
2013-03-28 03:53:52 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-28 03:53:57 PM

vudukungfu: Mugato: Maybe guys should be a little more cautious about where they put their dick.

100% this.


I'd go along with that if I didn't know that women change their minds... you know, as it is their prerogative to do so. Say in the unlikely case that one who is cautious about where he deposits his sperm, and the willing recipient agrees that he is great dad material - then suddenly, out of the blue, she decides she is no longer happy and BAM... you got pwned by family court. Caution has nothing at all to do with any of it.
 
2013-03-28 03:54:13 PM

shda5582: Why am I not surprised he's mexican?


Dominican Republics =/= Mexican.

seeing that you are in the Chino area, i can understand your generalization but c'mon, that's just bad form.
 
2013-03-28 03:54:17 PM
Hey, if he didn't waste his money on the lottery, he would have never paid that back child support.  Since he is such an idiot, they should just make him pre-pay the child support.  I have a feeling it's going to get a little more expensive.
 
2013-03-28 03:54:48 PM

shda5582: Why am I not surprised he's mexican?


How do you know?  He could be Panamanian, Guatemalan, El Salvadoran. Colombian, Venezuelan or Spanish.
Who am I kidding, you're right.
 
2013-03-28 03:55:13 PM

Masta Kronix: That says more about you than the people you are using your own arbitrary, moral compass to pass judgment on.


I don't think you have ever used a compass, because that was a flawed analogy. There are certain specific behaviors that people exhibit that are some indication of how they treat other people. If you don't agree with that concept, I really don't want to meet the scum that you associate with.

If some dude beats his girlfriend, date rapes at college, doesn't pay child support, abuses animals/children/friends/strangers/..., kills people, steals, etc. I don't feel like I need to take a step back and look at their other qualities that may or may not be good. You are right, that does say something about me. You are right, I pass judgement. You should admit that you also do. You know almost nothing about me, but still felt comfortable telling me that I could do "society a favor" by changing the way I think.

I think you could do society a favor by being a little less tolerant of assholes. When friends ignore the douchebaggery of their asshole friends, it makes them think that it's really not all that bad, but it really is.
 
2013-03-28 03:55:29 PM
Ever been to Passaic, NJ?  It's not Beverly Hills.  This dude didn't even own a car.   Give it a rest.
 
2013-03-28 03:55:34 PM

Pick: I just know he isn't going to only give $29K. I bet he gives them a $1 million. If he is a good hearted man.


He may end up "giving" much more when this year's support obligation is recalculated.  And a thoughtful family court judge will order it placed in trust for the children, with an income stream to  the custodial parent(s) for the kids' reasonable support until they turn 18.
 
2013-03-28 03:55:41 PM

GoldSpider: nocturnal001: Doesn't have money to take care of this kids?

Of course we don't know his story, but odds are he is a deadbeat. Of course he had enough expendible income to buy friggin lottery tickets so yeah, pretty damned sure he was a deadbeat.

I'd venture to guess that your opinion of welfare recipients buying things like cigarettes and lottery tickets is totally consistent with your condemnation of deadbeat dads.


Sure is, stupid and irrational behaviors that somebody else pays the price for (his kids and taxpayers respectively).
 
2013-03-28 03:55:45 PM

nocturnal001: Masta Kronix: nocturnal001: Masta Kronix: nocturnal001: Masta Kronix: Rurouni: This is the deadbeat dad apologists thread apparently.

Funny, it seemed more along the lines of "jump on the moral superiority and self-righteous bandwagon to make ourselves feel better about ourselves" thread?

I wonder why it isn't the "She should have made a better choice in men and making decisions" thread if we want to start placing blame instead of understanding.

Surely she should have known what type of character the individual was she willingly opening up her legs for him, right?

I mean, she had a choice with whom to have a child with? Wouldn't it be her fault for not picking a more "good" person? Anyone?

It sure as hell isn't his kid's fault.

Never said it was, what I said was it didn't make this individual a bad person and reducing the subject down to such a ridiculous binary Good/Evil is doing more harm than good.

Bad father perhaps, but not a bad person deserving of all this hatred and self-righteous drivel taking place in this thread.

Well jeez, with that standard.  As much hate and bile there is on the net I think the only people ever really worth are Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ghengis Kahn, and maybe that girl from South Carolina that wanted to give maps to African children or something.

Or we are all human beings and given the same situation and circumstances we'd be just as likely to exhibit the behavior of those individuals as you would any other.

You're not special, your the result of your life experiences and how your physiological make up allows you to respond and learn from those experiences.

See, it's fun to degrade and judge others whom we deem less human or morally corrupt according to our own moral compass because it makes us feel better about ourselves.

See I'm a "good" person, so therefore they must be a "bad" person since I manage to follow rules A,B,C!

Must easier to live in that world than the real world.

That's bullcrap.  You just gave everyone w ...


No I didn't, what I did was give a scientific and based in reality explanation for why human beings act the way they do sometimes.

You're the individual who can't get past this binary everything is broken down into "Good/Bad" actions and those who commit "bad" actions are bad and those who commit "good" actions are good.

How one judges an action is based solely on their own personal interpretation of said actions. How one forms an interpretation of actions is based on their own moral and philosophical view.

One can argue there are actions that hurt society as a whole when it comes to quality of life and progress however you would then have to define a Universal Metric for what Quality of Life and Progress means and prove that's the undisputed metric by which we should use.

It's easy to judge others actions as bad/good, any idiot can do it, it's much more difficult to understand their actions and the underlying causes without prejudice or bias.
 
2013-03-28 03:56:18 PM

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Oh dear...
 
2013-03-28 03:56:54 PM

Isitoveryet: shda5582: Why am I not surprised he's mexican?

Dominican Republics =/= Mexican.

seeing that you are in the Chino area, i can understand your generalization but c'mon, that's just bad form.


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