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(Washington Post)   In today's episode of "good things happen to bad people", Powerball lotto winner who is getting $152 Million lump sum, after taxes, owes $29K in back child support   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 394
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2013-03-28 03:13:17 PM
If ya can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em.

Throw the bum in jail, teach him a lesson.
 
2013-03-28 03:13:48 PM
You didn't get a raw deal from the courts.  You got what every man got before you.  You were simply ignorant of the risks.

Your real problem was knocking up a terrible woman.
 
2013-03-28 03:14:24 PM
Be afraid wealthy people. They are looking for a home in your neighborhood.   www.washingtonpost.com
 
2013-03-28 03:15:17 PM
Also, they are idiots for showing their mugs like that.
 
2013-03-28 03:15:17 PM

puffy999: Here comes the part where, because this is the US, someone will now say that a) his child support should be increased to a million bucks a year, and/or b) the mother of said child deserves some of this lottery windfall because she had to deal with the financial pain and suffering of not receiving his money, while simultaneously, if her luck is down and out, receiving literally every single legal allowable financial government benefit under the sun, assuming the child is under 18.


What will happen is that he'll pay a handsome lump sum to his children out of his winnings and future payments will be based on his income, as usual.
 
2013-03-28 03:15:25 PM

Rurouni: This is the deadbeat dad apologists thread apparently.


It's the oversimplistic jump to conclusions thread for the self-righteous.
 
2013-03-28 03:16:13 PM
Child support is a racket. Non-custodial fathers get screwed.

There, I said it.
 
2013-03-28 03:16:34 PM
Im sure he will be broke in about 5 years.
 
2013-03-28 03:16:35 PM

Rurouni: This is the deadbeat dad apologists thread apparently.


And the deadbeat dad absolutists thread, as usual.
 
2013-03-28 03:19:05 PM

what_now: drewogatory: Why should he pay a dime more than he owes?

Because he fathered five children. When you do that, when you make the conscious decision to have your own farking basketball team, you support them.


Basketball team? Watch yourself...
 
2013-03-28 03:19:13 PM
In my State, any parent that is unemployed is treated as earning minimum wage for child support calculations.

I had 50/50 custody with my ex for many years.   She kept suing for readjustments asking for $400-$500 per month for 1 kid, because all of her friends told her that is what she deserved.

She was always shocked when the support was ordered at $75-$150 because that is what the formula said she got.  Now I have 100% custody, and she gets 0.

My State also has a maximum child support of $63000 per year.    Yes, his ex will ask for a readjustment and will probably get it.

I wonder if New Jersey has a maximum child support level
 
2013-03-28 03:20:28 PM

Bippal: As someone engaged to a person owed 7 grand in back support plus 10k in birthing costs getting a kick etc.


Run. Now.
 
2013-03-28 03:20:45 PM

Slaxl: what_now: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.

Perhaps he doesn't have any money?


I'm sure this has been mentioned but he apparently scraped up enough for a Powerball ticket.

F**k this a**hole.
 
2013-03-28 03:21:04 PM

Master Sphincter: Be afraid wealthy people. They are looking for a home in your neighborhood.   [www.washingtonpost.com image 569x404]


He used his wife as an interpreter at the news conference. It seems that over twenty years isn't enough time to learn the language of the country you moved to.
 
2013-03-28 03:21:11 PM

Bippal: him taking off to oregon


If this person you speak of stays in Oregon, he'll pay if he gets a job... but, there's a caveat.

I live in Oregon, ex-roommate was a man who owed child support in another state. See, he had over $10,000 of child support collected from his paychecks in the state of Oregon since, I think, 2004 (this was based on a statement from a couple years ago).
About this same time, he received a statement from his home state, to which this child support is supposed to be going, stated that they had received ZERO dollars and was subject to arrest if he were to ever enter that state again (he's actually been held in jail for hours in Oregon for a non-criminal offense BECAUSE of this child support case).

Oregon had collected child support, but had not distributed it, is what happened. I still do not know if they've distributed it. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of dollars of stuff has been sold off and given to the son involved in this case by his father, through family members (since he's banished from his home state), but that does not get to be accounted in his child support. And, hey, the mother is currently in jail for child abuse.
 
2013-03-28 03:21:16 PM

A Shambling Mound: With any luck they just garnish his unpaid amount from his winnings so at least his kid will see some money before this newly minted millionaire gets back about the very serious business of shirking his responsibilities in a much nicer car.


Garnish? GARNISH???


HAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2013-03-28 03:21:31 PM
My ex-wife has to pay me child support, so I'm getting a kick.....
 
2013-03-28 03:21:37 PM

Master Sphincter: Be afraid wealthy people. They are looking for a home in your neighborhood.   [www.washingtonpost.com image 569x404]


As long as they drive up the price of my home, come on down!
/Won't live here long because we don't cotton to their kind (nouveau riche)
 
2013-03-28 03:21:59 PM

Masta Kronix: tylerdurden217: xanadian: Ya know, it's funny when someone immediately jumps to the conclusion that just because he's a dude and owes child support that he must be a bad person.

Either submitter is trolling or is a woman.

Please describe a scenario in which a person avoids paying child support for years and is still a good person.

Every scenario.

Good/Evil is to binary, try to think a little more outside the box. It'll do you and society a favor.

This man is more than just whether or not he pays child support and these knee jerk reactions based on emotion and self-righteousness are part of the problem.

It's not like we just had a debilitating recession and the job market right now is dismal at best.

Living in a "Just World" is fun because it makes you the "Good" guy and other people the "Bad" guys.



Unemployment at 8% means there's a pretty good chance that a person who doesn't pay child support, is doing so for selfish reasons. Man or woman, if you don't intend on providing for your offspring until they can provide for themselves, get fixed. I have known MANY people who did everything they could to avoid child support and not ONE of them was doing it for any reason other than selfish. A person might have many great qualities, but if they don't take care of their children's financial needs, that's a deal breaker for me. There are no doubt exceptions, but that's the rule. There might be some people who are 99% amazing human beings, but beat their dog at home. That's a deal breaker for me. I don't give a fark what their situation is, I can neatly file that under "no me gusta"... bad person.
 
2013-03-28 03:22:00 PM

Slaxl: what_now: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.

Perhaps he doesn't have any money?


Doesn't have money to take care of this kids?

Of course we don't know his story, but odds are he is a deadbeat. Of course he had enough expendible income to buy friggin lottery tickets so yeah, pretty damned sure he was a deadbeat.
 
2013-03-28 03:22:09 PM
As a dad who adopted his step-son from his second marriage, and who's crazy ex is filing for support even though I have custody of THOSE kids as well, I'm getting a kick...

/seriously, she's expecting me to pay child support when I have them 70% of the time
//she's filed in another jurisdiction because the first judge only gave her 4 extra days per month
 
2013-03-28 03:22:38 PM

Rurouni: This is the deadbeat dad apologists thread apparently.


Funny, it seemed more along the lines of "jump on the moral superiority and self-righteous bandwagon to make ourselves feel better about ourselves" thread?

I wonder why it isn't the "She should have made a better choice in men and making decisions" thread if we want to start placing blame instead of understanding.

Surely she should have known what type of character the individual was she willingly opening up her legs for him, right?

I mean, she had a choice with whom to have a child with? Wouldn't it be her fault for not picking a more "good" person? Anyone?
 
2013-03-28 03:22:41 PM

retarded: Child support is a racket. Non-custodial fathers get screwed.

There, I said it.


Agreed, at least he isn't in Michigan where they can take up to 50% of your take home pay after taxes, even if it is one kid.

/currently getting screwed by the state or MI
//Don't give me the you shouldn't have kids BS, I was married and was never expecting to be a single dad
///slashes FTW
 
2013-03-28 03:22:52 PM

Bippal: plus 10k in birthing costs


Did the state not pick that up? In almost all cases of the mother not having health insurance the state picks up the tab.

Subby is a troll, or a woman without a doubt. My daughters birth was a csection in 1999. Regular costs would have been around 6k or so, because the state paid they PAID the full amount the hospital was asking. Around 18k and change, for a damn birth... They hit me with every red cent.

/Pays child support monthly
// Still owes more than 10k on the birthing costs
/// Is a good person
 
2013-03-28 03:23:06 PM
I had a deadbeat dad.  I resented him like hell as a kid, but now that I'm older I genuinely appreciate everything he didn't do for me.  I've got a son of my own now who will be one month old tomorrow.  Nothing makes you realize the importance of being a good dad like not having one yourself.  I'm looking forward to doing all the things with him that I never got to do with my dad.
 
2013-03-28 03:23:06 PM
Classy couple trifecta in play?
 
2013-03-28 03:23:06 PM

ImRonBurgundy: Well, it worked out in his case.


brokenclockisrighttwiceaday.jpg
 
2013-03-28 03:23:09 PM
"Hey kids. NOW who would you rather live with, mommy or daddy?"
 
2013-03-28 03:23:29 PM
did he stand at a podium & announce that everyone else was a leech & the cause of all our social & economic problems?
 
2013-03-28 03:23:40 PM
knew a guy once that had several kids by several women, and he was working as a cabbie so that he could make money under the table.  Speaking as someone who may not have the ability to have kids(not for lack of trying, though), this man looks so happy, though he should have had the money in check form at the mother's house, on one knee, begging forgiveness.  Any child I may father would be the light of my life.  This dirt bag cabbie was shirking his duty so he could buy lotto tickets and booze.  It is a long and painful time, is parenting.  Can't handle it?  It's a $2 condom.  You don't deserve to be the biological father with actions like his.  Neither does the lotto winner.  Give it to someone who can regulate their bodily functions a little better.

/here I thought subby was going somewhere else with the headline.
//chances are good that we hear about this moron in the news
///dead with his wife pointing to a string of mistresses as the cause of her temporary insanity
temeez.com
 
2013-03-28 03:23:58 PM

give me doughnuts: Master Sphincter: Be afraid wealthy people. They are looking for a home in your neighborhood.   [www.washingtonpost.com image 569x404]

He used his wife as an interpreter at the news conference. It seems that over twenty years isn't enough time to learn the language of the country you moved to.


He's at a f*cking press conference, he's not ordering fries at McDonalds.

Hell, most AMERICAN people could use a f*cking interpreter at a press conference if they were to ever have one, because they sound like they just got out of the lobotomy ward.
 
2013-03-28 03:24:13 PM
He looks like an ok guy to me....
 
2013-03-28 03:24:58 PM

TrollingForColumbine: As someone who has owed as much as 10k in back child support, I can easily see how this person could be a good person and still owe back support. The mechanism for collecting child support are designed to favor the the custodial parent. So changing support is often cumbersome and expensive. Add on top of this the fact that changes in judgments do not always get communicated to the collecting operations or to the  federal level where tax returns can be garnished. I have been through the mill on this several time in the state of illinois.

/has been current with support for many years
//often the back support is due to court/state error and not non payment
///I hope he give the mother of the child 2 million the child 4 and takes them on a cruise


I work with a guy whose spouse sent an order to establish child support to the court after the divorce was finalized, and forged a signature on the service form, so he didn't know about any court date until a default judgment had been entered for the full requested amount and it started getting taken out of his check. The amount getting "taken out" of his check was temporarily 100% of the check, though he got an emergency order reducing that to a mere 50%. I don't know if he's had it corrected to his real salary yet, but the system is structured to that overpayment can never be refunded, only underpayments debited.

His fault was that he hired a useless lawyer and let his hate overwhelm his good judgment, though. Well, that and marrying a psycho, but in my opinion, they kind of deserved each other, since he repeatedly ranted about killing her and kept asking around if anyone knew a guy who could "take care" of those kind of problems.
 
2013-03-28 03:25:13 PM

olddinosaur: If ya can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em.

Throw the bum in jail, teach him a lesson.


Would you throw a guy in jail if he lost his job and had to cut back on his family spending?
 
2013-03-28 03:25:16 PM

Masta Kronix: Rurouni: This is the deadbeat dad apologists thread apparently.

Funny, it seemed more along the lines of "jump on the moral superiority and self-righteous bandwagon to make ourselves feel better about ourselves" thread?

I wonder why it isn't the "She should have made a better choice in men and making decisions" thread if we want to start placing blame instead of understanding.

Surely she should have known what type of character the individual was she willingly opening up her legs for him, right?

I mean, she had a choice with whom to have a child with? Wouldn't it be her fault for not picking a more "good" person? Anyone?


It sure as hell isn't his kid's fault.
 
2013-03-28 03:25:19 PM

ManRay: what_now: drewogatory: Why should he pay a dime more than he owes?

Because he fathered five children. When you do that, when you make the conscious decision to have your own farking basketball team, you support them.

Basketball team? Watch yourself...


wat? five people. Basketball team.
 
2013-03-28 03:25:28 PM
I used to be harsh about this stuff, until a friend of mine was put through the wringer by the lazy twat he married.

Let's hope the guy pays a little extra to help his kid have an ample upbringing, even if that means letting the custodial ex come along for the ride for the next few years.  If he's a good dad he'll be nice to his child. He'll always be richer than the ex now, so he should let the animosity go, if any was there.
 
2013-03-28 03:25:31 PM

Masta Kronix: Rurouni: This is the deadbeat dad apologists thread apparently.

Funny, it seemed more along the lines of "jump on the moral superiority and self-righteous bandwagon to make ourselves feel better about ourselves" thread?

I wonder why it isn't the "She should have made a better choice in men and making decisions" thread if we want to start placing blame instead of understanding.

Surely she should have known what type of character the individual was she willingly opening up her legs for him, right?

I mean, she had a choice with whom to have a child with? Wouldn't it be her fault for not picking a more "good" person? Anyone?


What the hell are you talking about. Women are not to be blamed for their own actions, EVER.
 
2013-03-28 03:26:16 PM
"New Jersey man..."
And, that's all you have to know.
 
2013-03-28 03:26:57 PM

WhippingBoy: A Shambling Mound: With any luck they just garnish his unpaid amount from his winnings so at least his kid will see some money before this newly minted millionaire gets back about the very serious business of shirking his responsibilities in a much nicer car.

Garnish? GARNISH???


HAHAHAHAHAHA


- Krusty, this is America.  We don't send our celebrities to jail.  We're just going to garnish your salary.
- You're going to GARNISH my CELERY?
- Please, Krusty, no jokes!
- WHO'S JOKING?!  Oh, I don't understand what you're saying, it all sounds so crazy to me.
 
2013-03-28 03:27:20 PM
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cheaper than child support.
 
2013-03-28 03:27:28 PM

ga362: tylerdurden217
Please describe a scenario in which a person avoids paying child support for years and is still a good person.
What if she re-married a wealthy person? Or if she won the lottery. Or the kid(s) got institutionalized for some reason. Or if she put them up for adoption.

I could think of more.


Wow, those are all terrible examples. It's like you wiped your ass and showed it to me. The spouse's newly found wealth (either by marriage or gambling) does not preclude a parent with a court order to provide support. There are some things that do end support: the death of the child, child turning 18 AND graduating form HS, the kid getting adopted by the exes new spouse... I'm sure there are more, but NOTHING you listed ends a person's financial responsibility for their child.

Also, like how you assumed it was a guy... just sayin.
 
2013-03-28 03:27:34 PM

BarkingUnicorn: What will happen is that he'll pay a handsome lump sum to his children out of his winnings and future payments will be based on his income, as usual.


Possible that he pays a big lump sum to make it go away, but can one consider a lottery windfall "income" over the course of time? Yes, guys like T.O. may end up paying more because they make millions of dollars per year over many consecutive years, but I don't know about a lotto winner.

tylerdurden217: Unemployment at 8%


Do you know what "unemployment," in the context in which you are using it, means?
 
2013-03-28 03:27:44 PM
Also, regarding the story, at least mom gets her back child support. Regardless of whether anyone deserves a windfall - you or I deserve it no more than he, but he gets it because he played - at least all of his debts are going to be paid before anyone sees the money.
 
2013-03-28 03:28:38 PM

Cagey B: Bippal: As someone engaged to a person owed 7 grand in back support plus 10k in birthing costs getting a kick etc.

Run. Now.


Run? Why? Because her husband left her four months pregnant with her second baby to run off with some young girl? No thanks she's an amazing mom .

And she had insurance from work, just crappy insurance and makes enough to not qualify for any sort of stye assistance. But their divorce decree stated he owed half he just never paid.
 
2013-03-28 03:28:44 PM

puffy999: give me doughnuts: Master Sphincter: Be afraid wealthy people. They are looking for a home in your neighborhood.   [www.washingtonpost.com image 569x404]

He used his wife as an interpreter at the news conference. It seems that over twenty years isn't enough time to learn the language of the country you moved to.

He's at a f*cking press conference, he's not ordering fries at McDonalds.

Hell, most AMERICAN people could use a f*cking interpreter at a press conference if they were to ever have one, because they sound like they just got out of the lobotomy ward.


He's been living here for over 20 years and can't or won't speak the damned language. If I'd been living in Katmandu for a couple of decades I'd damned well be able to speak Nepali and Bhasa.
 
2013-03-28 03:28:51 PM

kronicfeld: Slaxl: what_now: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.

Perhaps he doesn't have any money?

Maybe, but if he has no money and didn't move for a reduction then he has no one but himself to blame. And of course if he has no money through his own fault, then that's no excuse.


What if he cannot afford a lawyer?  What if he cannot work through the byzantine legal code re: family courts?  What if the best lawyer he can afford isn't very good.

Just because people cannot afford to hire Johnny Cochrane doesn't mean they should take blame for what happens in the US court system.  The system is rigged for the rich and well connected.

Also people aren't always poor because of bad choices or laziness.
 
2013-03-28 03:29:17 PM

eljibarito: retarded: Child support is a racket. Non-custodial fathers get screwed.

There, I said it.

Agreed, at least he isn't in Michigan where they can take up to 50% of your take home pay after taxes, even if it is one kid.

/currently getting screwed by the state or MI
//Don't give me the you shouldn't have kids BS, I was married and was never expecting to be a single dad
///slashes FTW


Maximum is 35% of gross .. which could end up being 50% of net.
 
2013-03-28 03:29:41 PM
He should take out a hit on his ex. I mean, rich people don't go to jail. And besides, he should be able to get a decent hit man for < $29K
 
2013-03-28 03:29:50 PM

fickenchucker: Let's hope the guy pays a little extra to help his kid have an ample upbringing,


Like a college trust fund.
 
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