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(Washington Post)   In today's episode of "good things happen to bad people", Powerball lotto winner who is getting $152 Million lump sum, after taxes, owes $29K in back child support   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 393
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2013-03-28 02:38:02 PM
Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.
 
2013-03-28 02:42:31 PM

sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.


Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.
 
2013-03-28 02:45:07 PM

what_now: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.


Perhaps he doesn't have any money?
 
2013-03-28 02:50:02 PM
No-longer-broke people problems.
 
2013-03-28 02:50:05 PM

Slaxl: what_now: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.

Perhaps he doesn't have any money?


so..why's he playing the lotto?
 
2013-03-28 02:51:04 PM

what_now: so..why's he playing the lotto?


That's what poor to low-middle income people do. Play the lotto. Dream of winning big.
 
2013-03-28 02:51:25 PM
On the plus side, he can now pay that. So that's good.
 
2013-03-28 02:52:25 PM
Ya know, it's funny when someone immediately jumps to the conclusion that just because he's a dude and owes child support that he must be a bad person.

Either submitter is trolling or is a woman.
 
2013-03-28 02:54:10 PM

Slaxl: what_now: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.

Perhaps he doesn't have any money?


Maybe, but if he has no money and didn't move for a reduction then he has no one but himself to blame. And of course if he has no money through his own fault, then that's no excuse.
 
2013-03-28 02:54:52 PM

Slaxl: what_now: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.

Perhaps he doesn't have any money?


I wonder if maybe there was some sort of economic factor beyond his control. Something like a worldwide recession and unprecedented high unemployment.
 
2013-03-28 02:59:30 PM
www.epm.org
"Being a dead-beat dad doesn't necessarily make you a bad person."
 
2013-03-28 02:59:45 PM

Lando Lincoln: On the plus side, he can now pay that. So that's good.


This. in spades.  And if he likes his kid(s) (dnrtfa), he can more than make up for it.

and this, too:

sammyk: Slaxl: what_now: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.

Perhaps he doesn't have any money?

I wonder if maybe there was some sort of economic factor beyond his control. Something like a worldwide recession and unprecedented high unemployment.

 
2013-03-28 02:59:47 PM
Typical.
 
2013-03-28 03:00:22 PM
kronicfeld:
Maybe, but if he has no money and didn't move for a reduction then he has no one but himself to blame. And of course if he has no money through his own fault, then that's no excuse.

Being stupid doesn't make you a bad person; it just makes you stupid.

/He's playing the lotto, by definition he really isn't all that mathematically inclined
 
2013-03-28 03:00:52 PM
Well, it worked out in his case.
 
2013-03-28 03:01:12 PM
I wonder what the overlap is between the "sometimes men can't pay child support for reasons beyond their control" crowd and the "keeps your legs closed if you don't want kids, lady" crowd.
 
2013-03-28 03:01:17 PM

xanadian: Ya know, it's funny when someone immediately jumps to the conclusion that just because he's a dude and owes child support that he must be a bad person.

Either submitter is trolling or is a woman.


Please describe a scenario in which a person avoids paying child support for years and is still a good person.
 
2013-03-28 03:01:23 PM
Now he can pay. Everyone's a winner!
 
2013-03-28 03:01:42 PM

kronicfeld: Slaxl: what_now: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.

Perhaps he doesn't have any money?

Maybe, but if he has no money and didn't move for a reduction then he has no one but himself to blame. And of course if he has no money through his own fault, then that's no excuse.


I read that as "even if he didn't have money he should still have had money and is an asshole."

heh. battling in court is so cost free.
 
2013-03-28 03:02:06 PM
Mo money, less problems.
 
2013-03-28 03:02:25 PM

sammyk: Slaxl: what_now: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.

Perhaps he doesn't have any money?

I wonder if maybe there was some sort of economic factor beyond his control. Something like a worldwide recession and unprecedented high unemployment.


Meanwhile the mother has to pay all the bills herself or accept welfare when she may not need to if her baby daddy would contribute. Stuff happens, sure, but I hope he puts the kid and the mothet through life with his winnings otherwise I'm on subby's side.
 
2013-03-28 03:04:23 PM
I've found that guys with 5 kids who owe several years of back child support and buy lottery tickets are generally pretty responsible, so lets not jump to conclusions.  Spending $2 on a powerball ticket instead of a condom doesn't make him bad, it makes him an American hero. BACK OFF.
 
2013-03-28 03:04:40 PM

lymond01: sammyk: Slaxl: what_now: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.

Perhaps he doesn't have any money?

I wonder if maybe there was some sort of economic factor beyond his control. Something like a worldwide recession and unprecedented high unemployment.

Meanwhile the mother has to pay all the bills herself or accept welfare when she may not need to if her baby daddy would contribute. Stuff happens, sure, but I hope he puts the kid and the mothet through life with his winnings otherwise I'm on subby's side.


Why should he pay a dime more than he owes? And why the fark would anyone be expected to support an ex? If dude wanted to pay that biatches way he wouldn't have kicked her to the curb in the first place.
 
2013-03-28 03:04:49 PM

highendmighty: Lando Lincoln: On the plus side, he can now pay that. So that's good.

This. in spades.  And if he likes his kid(s) (dnrtfa), he can more than make up for it.

and this, too:
sammyk: Slaxl: what_now: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.

Perhaps he doesn't have any money?

I wonder if maybe there was some sort of economic factor beyond his control. Something like a worldwide recession and unprecedented high unemployment.


I paid child support. I paid child support that was based upon a gross income figure that I never even approached in real life (did you know un-exercised stock options count as income?) and as a result of the crushing sum of money that was deducted from my check every week I couldn't even afford to hire a lawyer to have it reduced. I paid the damn support though, because that's what I was legally required to do regardless of how looney the accounting by the Texas AG's office was.

If this guy owes child support back to 2009, hasn't paid ANY of it and is out buying Powerball tickets he is a bad person. Period. With any luck they just garnish his unpaid amount from his winnings so at least his kid will see some money before this newly minted millionaire gets back about the very serious business of shirking his responsibilities in a much nicer car.
 
2013-03-28 03:04:50 PM
As someone who has owed as much as 10k in back child support, I can easily see how this person could be a good person and still owe back support. The mechanism for collecting child support are designed to favor the the custodial parent. So changing support is often cumbersome and expensive. Add on top of this the fact that changes in judgments do not always get communicated to the collecting operations or to the  federal level where tax returns can be garnished. I have been through the mill on this several time in the state of illinois.

/has been current with support for many years
//often the back support is due to court/state error and not non payment
///I hope he give the mother of the child 2 million the child 4 and takes them on a cruise
 
2013-03-28 03:04:54 PM

kronicfeld: Slaxl: what_now: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.

Perhaps he doesn't have any money?

Maybe, but if he has no money and didn't move for a reduction then he has no one but himself to blame. And of course if he has no money through his own fault, then that's no excuse.


It's not always that easy. I got behind by around 12k. See I was living in NJ while my case is in NC. I was very sick. So sick I needed a liver transplant. I could not work and I damn sure was in no shape to make the trip to NC. Not working meant I could not afford a lawyer to handle the case for me. The arrears just kept ticking up, up and away. The next time we went to court for an adjustment I had all the proof I needed to show I was a)incapable of working b)incapable of going to court for a reduction. None of that mattered. The only person that can forgive that debt is my twat of an ex and she never will.
 
2013-03-28 03:05:20 PM

what_now: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.


*raises hand*

As one of the millions of people who lost their jobs in 08-09, I'm going to guess that might have something to do with it.
 
2013-03-28 03:05:21 PM
kronicfeld:

Maybe, but if he has no money and didn't move for a reduction then he has no one but himself to blame. And of course if he has no money through his own fault, then that's no excuse.

LOL, it's just that easy. File some paperwork, and you're golden.

/Not really. Mine took two years, all the while racking up the difference between what I could pay, and what the old order said
//In a lot of states, the CP's attorney can delay the hearing for months at a time, just because
///Family court sucks
 
2013-03-28 03:05:43 PM

what_now: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.


TFA doesnt say he hasn't paid any child support.  It says there's a deficiency.  While I am death on people who refuse to pay (and people who refuse to file claims on their children's behalf), I'm not prepared to lynch people who do the best they can.  IDK what this guy is.
 
2013-03-28 03:05:46 PM

what_now: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.


I didn't pay any from 2003 to 2009, because I was not employed, yet the court refused to reduce my payment, which was based on my high water earnings at my previous employer .. so, the last 3 years I was there, I wasn't able to foot the bill, as my earnings had gone down (but the court argued that since I was still at the same job, I should be still making the same amount of money .. irrelevant to the fact that on that high water year they measured by, I had set virtually every sales and profit record in the company, so the vast majority of my income was "bonus"), by the time I was no longer employed there, I owed 4k, and by the time I was re-employed, it was up to 20k.

Of course, during this whole time I was unemployed, the child's mother also was unemployed, so therefore, I was expected to foot her part of everything, as well.  Which is pretty damn difficult with -0- income.

Sooooooooooooooooo..... yeah, child support courts can be really difficult to work with.
 
2013-03-28 03:06:08 PM

what_now: so..why's he playing the lotto?


Because a lottery ticket is like one damned dollar and probably the cheapest form of entertainment on the planet, so it's exactly the kind of thing you do for entertainment when you don't have money?

lymond01: Meanwhile the mother has to pay all the bills herself or accept welfare when she may not need to if her baby daddy would contribute. Stuff happens, sure, but I hope he puts the kid and the mothet through life with his winnings otherwise I'm on subby's side.

Yeah, because his lack of custody is totally willing and not the result of an absurdy misandrist set of laws and traditions governing divorce proceedings in the US or anything.
 
2013-03-28 03:06:57 PM

Lando Lincoln: On the plus side, he can now pay that. So that's good.


That's what I thought too. If he's back on child support for the last 4 years then this is a GREAT opportunity for mom to get the court to force him to pay up, even if he's asshole enough not to do it himself after getting such a windfall.
 
2013-03-28 03:07:04 PM
Sounds like he no longer has any excuse to be behind on those child support payments.

Going to suck ass when the courts tell him that he can now afford to pay more money each month.
 
2013-03-28 03:07:19 PM
Owing child support doesn't make him "bad."

He could've gotten a bad divorce, and since those are the norm, he's probably just withholding crack money from his former wife.
 
2013-03-28 03:07:27 PM

drewogatory: lymond01: sammyk: Slaxl: what_now: sammyk: Not everyone that owes back child support is a bad person subby.

If you've never been on the receiving end of family court you really do not know what you are talking about.

Ok, but he hasn't paid child support since 2009. So I'm ok with saying he's probably a bad person.

Perhaps he doesn't have any money?

I wonder if maybe there was some sort of economic factor beyond his control. Something like a worldwide recession and unprecedented high unemployment.

Meanwhile the mother has to pay all the bills herself or accept welfare when she may not need to if her baby daddy would contribute. Stuff happens, sure, but I hope he puts the kid and the mothet through life with his winnings otherwise I'm on subby's side.

Why should he pay a dime more than he owes? And why the fark would anyone be expected to support an ex? If dude wanted to pay that biatches way he wouldn't have kicked her to the curb in the first place.


What a lovely person you are.
 
2013-03-28 03:07:53 PM
I wonder how much he'll owe in back child support payments when he declares bankruptcy?
 
2013-03-28 03:08:02 PM

drewogatory: Why should he pay a dime more than he owes?


Because he fathered five children. When you do that, when you make the conscious decision to have your own farking basketball team, you support them.
 
2013-03-28 03:08:11 PM
Most people who win the lottery have something going against them. If they have no criminal or legal foibles, they generally fall into one of two categories: gambling addicts or greedy excess spenders with too much money already, but think they need more for some idiotic reason. I highly doubt this man fell into the latter category (though clearly he has legal financial trouble), considering nearly everywhere a person who has a job will be required to, eventually, pay child support unless he goes from job to job and literally either makes nothing or is paid under the table.

So, yeah, now this man will not only EASILY be able to pay off his debts, but his child will be taken care of.

Here comes the part where, because this is the US, someone will now say that a) his child support should be increased to a million bucks a year, and/or b) the mother of said child deserves some of this lottery windfall because she had to deal with the financial pain and suffering of not receiving his money, while simultaneously, if her luck is down and out, receiving literally every single legal allowable financial government benefit under the sun, assuming the child is under 18.

/most people don't argue in favor of the final paragraph above
//my experience is from that of the child going through the divorce, though an older teenager, so some of the above has applied to me
///dad should have been out on his ass, not mom
 
2013-03-28 03:08:22 PM

TrollingForColumbine: As someone who has owed as much as 10k in back child support, I can easily see how this person could be a good person and still owe back support. The mechanism for collecting child support are designed to favor the the custodial parent. So changing support is often cumbersome and expensive. Add on top of this the fact that changes in judgments do not always get communicated to the collecting operations or to the  federal level where tax returns can be garnished. I have been through the mill on this several time in the state of illinois.

/has been current with support for many years
//often the back support is due to court/state error and not non payment
///I hope he give the mother of the child 2 million the child 4 and takes them on a cruise


He does not owe her a dime!
 
2013-03-28 03:08:31 PM

tylerdurden217: xanadian: Ya know, it's funny when someone immediately jumps to the conclusion that just because he's a dude and owes child support that he must be a bad person.

Either submitter is trolling or is a woman.

Please describe a scenario in which a person avoids paying child support for years and is still a good person.


Every scenario.

Good/Evil is to binary, try to think a little more outside the box. It'll do you and society a favor.

This man is more than just whether or not he pays child support and these knee jerk reactions based on emotion and self-righteousness are part of the problem.

It's not like we just had a debilitating recession and the job market right now is dismal at best.

Living in a "Just World" is fun because it makes you the "Good" guy and other people the "Bad" guys.
 
2013-03-28 03:09:20 PM

Harry Freakstorm: I wonder how much he'll owe in back child support payments when he declares bankruptcy?


$29k
 
2013-03-28 03:09:56 PM
Awesome things happen to bad people all the time.

I just want to know what the over/under is on an eight figure debt load before his bankruptcy proceeding begins.
 
2013-03-28 03:10:10 PM

BunkoSquad: I wonder what the overlap is between the "sometimes men can't pay child support for reasons beyond their control" crowd and the "keeps your legs closed if you don't want kids, lady" crowd.


Joe Walsh.
 
2013-03-28 03:10:22 PM
As someone engaged to a person owed 7 grand in back support plus 10k in birthing costs getting a kick etc. But she's constantly getting the run around from the courts on getting him to pay anything. The judge even said once that the sperm donor would get special consideration because of a tour of duty in Iraq. Now here we sit, myself raising his kids, him taking off to oregon and knocking up an 18 year old, and us trying to get him to give up legal rights. Id rather him have nothing at all to do with them, it's not like he is anyways.
 
2013-03-28 03:10:42 PM
tylerdurden217
Please describe a scenario in which a person avoids paying child support for years and is still a good person.

What if she re-married a wealthy person? Or if she won the lottery. Or the kid(s) got institutionalized for some reason. Or if she put them up for adoption.

I could think of more.
 
2013-03-28 03:11:02 PM
This is the deadbeat dad apologists thread apparently.
 
2013-03-28 03:11:32 PM
Though, my experience also says "people with a heart and no concept of the value of a dollar today are typically screwed by the current civil court system."
 
2013-03-28 03:11:57 PM

Jim_Callahan: lymond01: Meanwhile the mother has to pay all the bills herself or accept welfare when she may not need to if her baby daddy would contribute. Stuff happens, sure, but I hope he puts the kid and the mothet through life with his winnings otherwise I'm on subby's side.

Yeah, because his lack of custody is totally willing and not the result of an absurdy misandrist set of laws and traditions governing divorce proceedings in the US or anything.


Your point doesn't negate their point.
 
2013-03-28 03:13:13 PM

ga362: tylerdurden217
Please describe a scenario in which a person avoids paying child support for years and is still a good person.
What if she re-married a wealthy person? Or if she won the lottery. Or the kid(s) got institutionalized for some reason. Or if she put them up for adoption.

I could think of more.


Doesn't matter who she marries. Support is ordered for the child, not the spouse. Unless you want to allow the  new spouse to formally adopt your child you are still responsible for the support.

If she won the lottery, you might be able to get a lawyer to finagle something that reduces your responsibility but not if you already owe back support.

If she put them up for adoption....wait, this is just silly. Why would I dignify a remark that stupid with a serious answer?
 
2013-03-28 03:13:17 PM
If ya can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em.

Throw the bum in jail, teach him a lesson.
 
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