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(Ottawa Citizen)   Meanwhile, in Canada... couple lose fourth child to the government for something dad did when he was 12. .. wait now... read the rest of it   (ottawacitizen.com) divider line 238
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2013-03-28 03:14:55 PM
This is the most bizarre story I think I've ever read.
 
2013-03-28 03:14:58 PM

xanadian: Car_Ramrod: There's got to be a better way to handle these kind of cases. Not completing high school has been shown over and over again to have a huge impact on someone's future. His story was basically written from there.

This is pretty much what I'm stuck on.  They doomed him from the get-go.  Blame Canada, indeed.

Also...what, exactly, DID the guy do at 12?  Or dare I ask?

/they listed the charges, but not what he actually DID


Sealed records. It must have been something pretty heinous to be the primary reason though, so I'm imagining raping a preschooler, not pissing on the fence. But I don't know, the prosecution can't say, and he certainly won't tell how bad (or not) it really was.
 
2013-03-28 03:15:35 PM
Hey Vernon Nickerson, that you?
 
2013-03-28 03:16:17 PM
He should either be allowed to keep his kids, or be neutered.
 
2013-03-28 03:16:37 PM
Goddammit... I could have sworn the article said he diddled a baby at 12...

Oh well. A post with a picture of Cindy Crawford is never wasted.
 
2013-03-28 03:17:16 PM

I_Am_Weasel: The judge noted they had not yet sought help for some of their own admitted problems, namely that the father drinks too much gin and the mother is addicted to bingo.

I bet they also don't think much of Inco either.


so much bloody win in this responce
 
2013-03-28 03:18:40 PM
They had their chance. Sad but hey, how many chances do you want?
 
2013-03-28 03:19:38 PM

Altrissa: keep an animal alive for it's lifespan


It's obvious what you mean, but I still feel like I should point out that everything lives out its lifespan, just not its natural lifespan.
 
2013-03-28 03:19:42 PM

Counter_Intelligent: The mother being addicted to bingo was the deal-breaker.


This, I was ready to give them the kids back until I saw that Mom was addicted to Bingo.  Death penalty!!!
 
2013-03-28 03:20:38 PM

Maud Dib: outtatowner: function SOswitchMenu() {var el = document.getElementById('bodyDiv');if ( el.style.display != "none" ) { el.style.display = 'none';}else { el.style.display = '';}var el2 = document.getElementById('h2');if ( el2.className == "calHeader goog-zippy-expanded normalText" ) { el2.className = "calHeader goog-zippy-collapsed normalText";return;}if ( el2.className == "calHeader goog-zippy-collapsed normalText" ) { el2.className = "calHeader goog-zippy-expanded normalText";return;}}function SOframeReload() {var f = document.getElementById('soFrame');f.src = f.src;}Satanic_Hamster:You'd think he would have noticed a pattern after the 2nd or 3rd kid.

"it's the oddest thing; I have a kid and the government takes it away immediately.  What are the odds of it happening a fourth time?"


Bah, you missed the part where mother is addicted to bingo. He's just trying to help her fill a row an collect the prize.

You broke the Internets.


l-userpic.livejournal.com
 
2013-03-28 03:21:10 PM
Canada, eh?  How did these two get so far from Florida?
 
2013-03-28 03:21:45 PM

wxboy: 5th time's a charm.


I know a couple who is going to have their fifth child sometime this year and it will be taken within 30 minutes of birth just like the last one was and the one before that was taken because one of them gave the one month old infant a black eye. I mean after the second or third kid being taken it'd be nice to be able to have these assholes sterilized.
 
2013-03-28 03:21:52 PM

Seat's Taken: This really bothers me, and I've been in a similar situation as the guy in the article... Land is expensive, I can only afford a trailer home, which I rent.  I'd love to live off my own land, grow vegetables and fruit and be self-sufficient.  If the fruit or vegetables don't get enough water, if they die, does anyone care?  I don't have land, but I still have a farm.  My gerbils, the guinea pigs, cats, and bunnies, they sustain me.  I give them food (sometimes), they reproduce, and then I have nutrients to feed the misses and I over the winter.  Some of them don't do so well.  Some die in a corner, under a pile of laundry or errant foot, is it really that different from a row of corn?  I'm doing what I can to get by, trying to have kids that can help me tend to the farm, same as the guy in the article.  How can I ever make it ahead if they keep stripping me and the misses (I call her our "VP") from our employees?


Pure BS, I know, but in this instance, if you have to eat cats, gerbils, and guinea pigs (I'm ok with you eating bunnies), and can't feed or care for them, then you shouldn't be on the internet, much less paying for an internet connection on your farm.  Also, yes.  It is much different from a row of corn in many, many, many ways.  Oh, and corn isn't hard to grow behind your trailer home on your rented land either.
 
2013-03-28 03:22:14 PM
Silly newspaper. Leading with the scandalous and putting the simply sad and pathetic (and relevant) details in later doesn't help with the story
 
2013-03-28 03:23:00 PM
According to the article he had been in trouble for a wide variety of things since he was 12, and the sex was only part of it.

He was under house arrest at the time, drinking heavily anyway, and had a long rap sheet.

Such people should not breed.
 
2013-03-28 03:23:01 PM

jvl: Lionel Mandrake: Sounds like he lost the kids for what he's been doing, beginning at age 12.

The Judge said so. Judge is God; he decides what is right and proper. Judge gives your children away for permanent adoption for your precrimes. You will obey citizen. The Judge knows best, right?


Did... did you read the article? Do you disagree with the judge? Or are you just one of those blanket anti-authoritarians that love using the terms "citizen" and "precrime" like you're in an Orwell book? Dude did not deserve to keep his kid; he obviously can't take care of a child if he and his wife can't take care of themselves.
 
2013-03-28 03:25:55 PM
Subby, that was the worst headline troll ever.  A good troll would have cut it off at the "12", but you had to imply that there was context and mitigating factors.

You're new here, aren't you?  You certainly don't post on the politics tab, anyway.
 
2013-03-28 03:27:44 PM
That article just kept going and going and going. A tent in a trailer park? 30 animals? Feces, urine? Yeah, no, they should probably both be sterilized by the government, and I say that as a libertarian.
 
2013-03-28 03:28:45 PM
Trinity, run down to the store and get me some smoke and  chips.
Extra mordant.
 
2013-03-28 03:28:48 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: Altrissa: keep an animal alive for it's lifespan

It's obvious what you mean, but I still feel like I should point out that everything lives out its lifespan, just not its natural lifespan.


Ha, yeah sorry. I meant to type "expected lifespan".
 
2013-03-28 03:29:12 PM
if the pre-crime unit said guilty it is good enough for me.

but i've been good  for months now--i'm a changed person
 
2013-03-28 03:31:43 PM
I've finally found the perfect case for retroactive birth control.
 
2013-03-28 03:33:25 PM

dabbletech: I've finally found the perfect case for retroactive birth control.


I'm all for aborting the parents.
 
2013-03-28 03:33:25 PM

jvl: Lionel Mandrake: Sounds like he lost the kids for what he's been doing, beginning at age 12.

The Judge said so. Judge is God; he decides what is right and proper. Judge gives your children away for permanent adoption for your precrimes. You will obey citizen. The Judge knows best, right?


I'm not sure what point you were trying to make, but you failed miserably.
 
2013-03-28 03:33:34 PM
shitshirt.co.uk
 
2013-03-28 03:35:02 PM

sjmcc13: vernonFL: the father drinks too much gin and the mother is addicted to bingo.

Are they from Newfoundland?

No, then it would be Beer, and Scratch tickets

also they are in Ontario.


The Ontarioleos are being extra-special careful after they farked up the Dionne brats.
 
2013-03-28 03:35:30 PM

Lionel Mandrake: I'm not sure what point you were trying to make, but you failed miserably.


That the big ol' bad government should let these fine people,never mind the filthy house/no heat/alcohol issue/bingo addiction/them living in a tent at one point,have another kid to neglect and abuse.
 
2013-03-28 03:35:55 PM

Lollipop165: I'm kinda torn on this one - they haven't even had the chance to parent.

But that being said I understand why the government would feel its in the best interest of their children. These guys certainly haven' had a good track record.


I don't think you read the whole article.  Start reading and it's "this is an outrage", by 1/3 through it's "oh I'm torn" then the dead animals start to show up in the story, the jail, the house arrest, the homelessness, the substance abuse.  Yeah no.  Even take away the sex offense and it's a clear case.
 
2013-03-28 03:36:59 PM

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I am ashamed to be from the region <div>.

/so sorry
//no, really, so sorry.

 
2013-03-28 03:38:20 PM
If you can't keep mice alive a child doesn't stand a chance, good on the gov for taking that kid away.
 
2013-03-28 03:38:22 PM

Darth_Lukecash: xanadian: Car_Ramrod: There's got to be a better way to handle these kind of cases. Not completing high school has been shown over and over again to have a huge impact on someone's future. His story was basically written from there.

This is pretty much what I'm stuck on.  They doomed him from the get-go.  Blame Canada, indeed.

Also...what, exactly, DID the guy do at 12?  Or dare I ask?

/they listed the charges, but not what he actually DID

They couldn't even keep pets alive. And if the pet died, they didn't even know how to throw them away!

Courts are right. The previous charges were just icing on the cake.


Seems like the age 12 thing is the least of the issue.  Or as this post says:

Lionel Mandrake: Sounds like he lost the kids for what he's been doing, beginning at age 12.

 
2013-03-28 03:38:56 PM

outtatowner: function SOswitchMenu() {var el = document.getElementById('bodyDiv');if ( el.style.display != "none" ) { el.style.display = 'none';}else { el.style.display = '';}var el2 = document.getElementById('h2');if ( el2.className == "calHeader goog-zippy-expanded normalText" ) { el2.className = "calHeader goog-zippy-collapsed normalText";return;}if ( el2.className == "calHeader goog-zippy-collapsed normalText" ) { el2.className = "calHeader goog-zippy-expanded normalText";return;}}function SOframeReload() {var f = document.getElementById('soFrame');f.src = f.src;}Satanic_Hamster:You'd think he would have noticed a pattern after the 2nd or 3rd kid.

"it's the oddest thing; I have a kid and the government takes it away immediately.  What are the odds of it happening a fourth time?"


Bah, you missed the part where mother is addicted to bingo. He's just trying to help her fill a row an collect the prize.


WTF are you doing in your posts?

i58.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-28 03:42:39 PM

A Terrible Human: dabbletech: I've finally found the perfect case for retroactive birth control.

I'm all for aborting the parents.


Precisely.
 
2013-03-28 03:42:53 PM
The sex offense was probably just the official excuse because citing it was easier than trudging through the arguments about exactly how filthy or dead-animal-ridden a house has to be before the kids have to leave, or how many DV convictions are necessary before it can be considered unsafe. I have a feeling that if this guy had a clean, animal-free residence, was employed, and hadn't any issues with the law after the age of 12, this wouldn't be happening. (Mind you, the fact that he wasn't allowed to go to school anywhere after his conviction ... there had to be some better option than "Here's a stack of books, good luck!")
 
2013-03-28 03:46:08 PM
Wow, I can't believe it but after reading the article I gotta call that judge a hero. They sounded in no way prepared or capable of taking care of a baby.
 
2013-03-28 03:46:22 PM

FunkOut: sheep snorter: Meanwhile, in Canada... couple lose fourth child to the government for something dad did when he was 12. .. wait now... read the rest of it

So,, , , , vote Conservative?

We've had the Conservative party in federal power for since 2006. Stevie Sweatervest and his creepy kitten photo-ops.


Kittens? He's moved up to Pandas, now.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/03/24/harper-set-to-greet-pair-of- gi ant-pandas-coming-to-canada/

s7.postimg.org
 
2013-03-28 03:49:57 PM
"It's a heartbreaking experience," the father told the Citizen. "They come in and take your baby. It's like they are stripping your life away."

"You'd think they'd want me interacting with other human beings, learning how to act properly and respect people."


Yes and yes, but then...

They removed gerbils, mice, rats, snakes, dogs (including one that was in such bad health it had to be put down) and cats.
Some of the animals found in the house had been dead for a while.

McMunagle said the father did not complete recent sex behaviour tests because "it appears he did not like the initial results of the testing and has subsequently refused to complete the testing."


...no and no.
 
2013-03-28 03:50:12 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: FunkOut: sheep snorter: Meanwhile, in Canada... couple lose fourth child to the government for something dad did when he was 12. .. wait now... read the rest of it

So,, , , , vote Conservative?

We've had the Conservative party in federal power for since 2006. Stevie Sweatervest and his creepy kitten photo-ops.

Kittens? He's moved up to Pandas, now.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/03/24/harper-set-to-greet-pair-of- gi ant-pandas-coming-to-canada/

[s7.postimg.org image 620x465]


He could be an animal nerd like Gingrich is but I don't know that much about Canadian politics.
/Also who doesn't want to say hi to pandas? :3
 
2013-03-28 03:51:07 PM
Neither of these two should be raising kids if even half of what the article describes is correct. Sounds to me like the sex offense is just the icing on the cake so to speak.
 
2013-03-28 03:52:21 PM

Lollipop165: I'm kinda torn on this one - they haven't even had the chance to parent.

But that being said I understand why the government would feel its in the best interest of their children. These guys certainly haven' had a good track record.


Did you even read the farking article? There was a lot more to it than "a lack of a good track record"

Also, you don't get a "chance" at parenting after you molest children. No farking way. One and done, just like murder - you don't get a second chance, go to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200 labeled and segregated from society as is necessary and possible until your sick, sorry ass dies. Giving people like that a 'second chance' is not what society needs.
 
2013-03-28 03:53:04 PM

Nadie_AZ: This is the most bizarre story I think I've ever read.


You must be new here. Welcome to FARK.
 
2013-03-28 03:53:36 PM
sometimes i feel down about my life, but...jesus, these people are train wrecks made out of human parts.
 
2013-03-28 03:54:53 PM

dv-ous: Goddammit... I could have sworn the article said he diddled a baby at 12...

Oh well. A post with a picture of Cindy Crawford is never wasted.


I immediately had that impression, too. Mostly because they insinuated that the concern was for their newborn baby. But then I read the entire article and went back and now I have no idea why I had that impression to begin with.
 
2013-03-28 03:56:15 PM
After RTFA, could the judge throw in a couple orders of mandatory sterilization also?
 
2013-03-28 03:56:39 PM

98K514: The Ontarioleos are being extra-special careful after they farked up the Dionne brats.


blogs.babble.com
You just grill brats. Or am I missing something?
 
2013-03-28 04:00:22 PM
Having trouble with the whole sympathy thing
 
2013-03-28 04:01:38 PM

megarian: dv-ous: Goddammit... I could have sworn the article said he diddled a baby at 12...

Oh well. A post with a picture of Cindy Crawford is never wasted.

I immediately had that impression, too. Mostly because they insinuated that the concern was for their newborn baby. But then I read the entire article and went back and now I have no idea why I had that impression to begin with.


I got the impression that it was something like that too. Like he was a danger to the babies directly, but the rest of the article made me feel pretty confident that no matter how old his victim was, the children were in for a very unfortunate upbringing if they stayed with him and his common law wife. Plus, the article indicates that the last three kids were taken away at the hospital, so it sounds like the first one might have been taken home by these winners at some point.
 
2013-03-28 04:01:52 PM

ReapTheChaos: Neither of these two should be raising kids if even half of what the article describes is correct. Sounds to me like the sex offense is just the icing on the cake so to speak.


I take it as any excuse to keep them from abusing another kid which from what I read in the article is just fine. The couple I know had me to read them the letter they got from social services as to why they were being investigated,this was before the infant got the black eye,and it said "rotting,moldy food on the counters,food packages,dirty dishes...ect." Basically their house was farking filthy,they both constantly smelled like body odor,she neglected and beat on her disabled mother after the kids were taken and when her mother was taken from the house neither of them were allowed to see her at the hospital because she was under protective custody. I know all that because that poor old woman called my house from the hospital and I talked to a nurse. She had hemorrhaging behind her eyes,I guessing one of them tried to smother her,a broken nose,a black eye and when they EMT's arrived all she was dressed in was a wet dirty shirt. People who treat children or the elderly that way need executed cause there isn't any hope for them not being such pieces of shiat.
 
2013-03-28 04:01:52 PM
Don't see a problem here--except maybe not forcing sterilization on him.  If he's to be never trusted around babies, why is he allowed to make them?
 
2013-03-28 04:03:28 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Because of his sex crimes, he was banned from attending high school and instead took correspondence courses, alone at the kitchen table in the group home. He gave up after Grade 9. "You'd think they'd want me interacting with other human beings, learning how to act properly and respect people."

"And in other news, four pre-teens were arrested and charged as adults in possession of child pornograhy for sexting each other....."


If the pictures were of themselves, then you can't charge them as adults. Because if they're adults then there's no child porn, and thus nothing to charge them with. Ta-dah!
 
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