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2013-03-28 05:41:57 PM
i.imgur.com
Machete
 
2013-03-28 05:42:40 PM

Treygreen13: Hickory-smoked: Hey, you want to know what would really knock the cartels down a peg?

Legalization.

You think the cartels would just... stop?


I think it would help. Wouldn't you?
 
2013-03-28 05:47:32 PM

Hickory-smoked: Treygreen13: Hickory-smoked: Hey, you want to know what would really knock the cartels down a peg?

Legalization.

You think the cartels would just... stop?

I think it would help. Wouldn't you?


Not really. I'm a proponent of legalization, but not for any reason other than "it's not harmful".

If you have a large population of people who have no qualms about smuggling, murdering, and corrupting the police and government to the point that the citizens start an armed revolt *against the police*, they're not going to just turn into productive members of society if you legalize marijuana. They'll still be people who desperately want money and are willing to butcher people and leave little pieces of their corpses in the streets as a reminder.
 
2013-03-28 05:48:57 PM

Girion47: Show me an american without a passport and I'll show you someone who is closed-minded.


Interesting observation.

jdhj2: [i.imgur.com image 600x401]
Machete


I really should just watch this movie.
 
2013-03-28 05:51:43 PM

Treygreen13: Hickory-smoked: Hey, you want to know what would really knock the cartels down a peg?

Legalization.

You think the cartels would just... stop?


If pot were legal then it really wouldnt matter what they do (as far as marijuana).  Free pot will trump Cheap Pot every time.  It would likely still be illegal to import it but it wouldnt matter, pot is not rocket science...well its not exactly tomatoes either but local free/cheap pot would drive the price of imported pot into a nonprofit enterprise.  Because thats the problem with Pot from Mexico, its in........farking Mexico.

Mind you this would have no impact on the drug civil war going on south of the border.  We are highly unlikely to legalize cocaine or meth any time soon.  The impact of legal pot on those two drugs would be minimal.  If you got meth, pot is likely not even on your radar.
 
2013-03-28 05:55:52 PM

Treygreen13: Hickory-smoked: Treygreen13: Hickory-smoked: Hey, you want to know what would really knock the cartels down a peg?

Legalization.

You think the cartels would just... stop?

I think it would help. Wouldn't you?

Not really. I'm a proponent of legalization, but not for any reason other than "it's not harmful".

If you have a large population of people who have no qualms about smuggling, murdering, and corrupting the police and government to the point that the citizens start an armed revolt *against the police*, they're not going to just turn into productive members of society if you legalize marijuana. They'll still be people who desperately want money and are willing to butcher people and leave little pieces of their corpses in the streets as a reminder.


The Mafia didn't disappear after prohibition ended, but violent crime dropped dramatically.
 
2013-03-28 05:56:16 PM

orclover: Treygreen13: Hickory-smoked: Hey, you want to know what would really knock the cartels down a peg?

Legalization.

You think the cartels would just... stop?

If pot were legal then it really wouldnt matter what they do (as far as marijuana).  Free pot will trump Cheap Pot every time.  It would likely still be illegal to import it but it wouldnt matter, pot is not rocket science...well its not exactly tomatoes either but local free/cheap pot would drive the price of imported pot into a nonprofit enterprise.  Because thats the problem with Pot from Mexico, its in........farking Mexico.

Mind you this would have no impact on the drug civil war going on south of the border.  We are highly unlikely to legalize cocaine or meth any time soon.  The impact of legal pot on those two drugs would be minimal.  If you got meth, pot is likely not even on your radar.


A 30% cut to the cartels revenue is not "no effect".
 
2013-03-28 05:56:43 PM

orclover: Mind you this would have no impact on the drug civil war going on south of the border.  We are highly unlikely to legalize cocaine or meth any time soon.  The impact of legal pot on those two drugs would be minimal.  If you got meth, pot is likely not even on your radar.


That's part of my argument, though. These people specialize in getting illegal things (be it drugs or people) across the border, taking what they want from the population, and violence.

As long as there is *something* illegal, or someone to take something from, these people won't just disappear.
 
2013-03-28 06:01:05 PM

Treygreen13: Hickory-smoked: Treygreen13: Hickory-smoked: Hey, you want to know what would really knock the cartels down a peg?

Legalization.

You think the cartels would just... stop?

I think it would help. Wouldn't you?

Not really. I'm a proponent of legalization, but not for any reason other than "it's not harmful".

If you have a large population of people who have no qualms about smuggling, murdering, and corrupting the police and government to the point that the citizens start an armed revolt *against the police*, they're not going to just turn into productive members of society if you legalize marijuana. They'll still be people who desperately want money and are willing to butcher people and leave little pieces of their corpses in the streets as a reminder.


You make a good point, overturning Prohibition didn't cause organized crime to disappear. But it clearly reduced the level of violence and corruption at the time which arose from Prohibition.
 
2013-03-28 06:02:13 PM
If only the towns people had some sort of weapon to protect themselves from this kind of behavior..
 
2013-03-28 06:12:46 PM

Ned Stark: orclover: Treygreen13: Hickory-smoked: Hey, you want to know what would really knock the cartels down a peg?

Legalization.

You think the cartels would just... stop?

If pot were legal then it really wouldnt matter what they do (as far as marijuana).  Free pot will trump Cheap Pot every time.  It would likely still be illegal to import it but it wouldnt matter, pot is not rocket science...well its not exactly tomatoes either but local free/cheap pot would drive the price of imported pot into a nonprofit enterprise.  Because thats the problem with Pot from Mexico, its in........farking Mexico.

Mind you this would have no impact on the drug civil war going on south of the border.  We are highly unlikely to legalize cocaine or meth any time soon.  The impact of legal pot on those two drugs would be minimal.  If you got meth, pot is likely not even on your radar.

A 30% cut to the cartels revenue is not "no effect".


A 30% increase in Meth production I wouldnt call positive.  If snickers bars were illegal, they would be trafficking them.  The business does not equal the drug.  Pot should be Legal for a very very very long list of reasons, but making life only slightly easier in Mexico is near the bottom.
 
2013-03-28 06:29:14 PM
There are parts of the US that need exactly this kind of tough love. You ever walked the streets of Oakland? or East LA? or Compton? or the South Bronx? or Detroit? or Liberty City in Miami? or E. St. Louis? or the Southeast or Northeast sides of Washington DC?
 
2013-03-28 06:31:38 PM

Magnanimous_J: Gyrfalcon: So howcome everyone who's all hot to invade Best Korea because of all their problems isn't so anxious to invade Mexico because of same?


Starting a "police action" in Mexico would be the biggest clusterfark this country has ever embarked on. You have all the asymmetrical warfare we've come to love from Iraq and Afghanistan with the added bonus that 7 million undocumented, potential enemy combatants already live in our country. There would be violence in every city in America due to it. Plus, America would get a front row seat to the horrors of war for the first time since the civil war. As a matter of fact, it might as well by the catalyst for a new civil war in America. Can you imagine our civil liberties remaining intact? Can you imagine the war being fought without horrifying atrocities on American citizens by both sides?


Without hyperbole, it could literally unravel our society.


THIS^^^^


It would be like Blood Meridian, but on a galactic scale.
 
2013-03-28 06:32:13 PM
Tina Turner in a chainmail anything.  Yum.
 
2013-03-28 06:32:43 PM
In economic theory, there is absolute advantage and comparative advantage.
America has the absolute advantage in every case.
We have the land, labour, and kapital (monetary, human and technological) to make anything.

Why don't we just make all the drugs here (I mean Breaking bad shows how to make meth at an industrial level, we already process cocaine from the coca leaf in Indiana to make topical pain suppressants to burn victims and then sell the denatured coca leaves to coca cola to flavor their soft drinks, we use morphiates in a thousand different configurations in our medicine), why don't we make all of the oil we need, through depolymerization of our organic waste stream and/or grow by way of algae, make all the electricity we need from solar/wind, and then work to consolodate our cities so that they are easily administrated, ordered, patrolled and can deliver services to people in need at much quicker rates of service and identify and coordinate corrective actions to the situations that are left over.

Then the entire middle east would go back to having an economy the size of finland, the cartels would have to resort to human trafficing and land extortion against the poorest of the poor, which would end up with the cartels eventually becoming the victims of 1000 cuts done by lynch mobs, like history shows over and over in those countries. North Korea, Taliban, Al Qaida, Hamas, etc, couldn't get financing from the now broke nation states like venezuela, Saudia Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Libya, Algeria etc. Without all of these "up and coming threats" China could stop thinking it needs to ramp up, its military, we could sell it the same technology to get rid of their dependance on coal, remove the threat of financial collapse for both China (Real estate housing bubble) and the US (Deficit/political deadlock/economic recession/social security benefits/etc.).

America has the capacity to make a new world economic theory a reality, and if we could just do it, in 15 years when the economic results were in, the world would be a much more stable profitable and nicer world than the awful future and tumultuous present that we are looking at right now.

America would be number 1, China would be number 2, European Union would be 3, and would all be unified against all comers. We could have contiguous trade over 3 super countries that hasn't been seen since the time of Genghis Kahn, the Persian Empire, and Alexanders time.
Best yet, if we could get India to shape up and stop focussing on purchasing gold and attempting to scour its people of their "extra organs" then there would be nearly 5 Billion people moving in common way leaving only the Southern Hemisphere to improve on in the final half of the century.

America can settle this if we just release preconceived notions that are really just talking points in difference, and not ideological principals anymore.
 
2013-03-28 06:46:22 PM
Really, Fark spelling nazis? 162 posts, and not a single one of you has snarked about "villian" yet?

For shame.
 
2013-03-28 06:57:34 PM

Macular Degenerate: There are parts of the US that need exactly this kind of tough love. You ever walked the streets of Oakland? or East LA? or Compton? or the South Bronx? or Detroit? or Liberty City in Miami? or E. St. Louis? or the Southeast or Northeast sides of Washington DC?


I can say I walked the streets of NE DC and SE DC.

do I get a prize?
 
2013-03-28 06:59:20 PM

gweilo8888: Really, Fark spelling nazis? 162 posts, and not a single one of you has snarked about "villian" yet?

For shame.


You know the situation is bad when the trolls fall silent.

/they're too busy carefully crafting their twisted logical reasoning for why this simply can't be Obama's fault
//and instead must be traced back to something the USA did no less than five but no more than thirteen years ago
///unless it can be traced back to something between 21 and 33 years ago
 
2013-03-28 07:08:06 PM
FTA Hundreds of armed vigilantes have taken control of a town on a major highway in the Pacific coast state of Guerrero, arresting local police officers and searching homes after a vigilante leader was killed. Several opened fire on a car of Mexican tourists headed to the beach for Easter week.

blog.angelatung.com
 
2013-03-28 07:16:14 PM

Abox: FTA Hundreds of armed vigilantes have taken control of a town on a major highway in the Pacific coast state of Guerrero, arresting local police officers and searching homes after a vigilante leader was killed. Several opened fire on a car of Mexican tourists headed to the beach for Easter week.

[blog.angelatung.com image 330x282]


The tourists ran the roadblock despite warnings and refused to stop until they were opened fire on. What word should we use, "US Army?"

/"UN Peacekeepers?"
//"IDF?"
///"People who really mean STOP when they say STOP?"
 
2013-03-28 07:36:14 PM

eynonmcwanker: Magnanimous_J: Gyrfalcon: So howcome everyone who's all hot to invade Best Korea because of all their problems isn't so anxious to invade Mexico because of same?


Starting a "police action" in Mexico would be the biggest clusterfark this country has ever embarked on. You have all the asymmetrical warfare we've come to love from Iraq and Afghanistan with the added bonus that 7 million undocumented, potential enemy combatants already live in our country. There would be violence in every city in America due to it. Plus, America would get a front row seat to the horrors of war for the first time since the civil war. As a matter of fact, it might as well by the catalyst for a new civil war in America. Can you imagine our civil liberties remaining intact? Can you imagine the war being fought without horrifying atrocities on American citizens by both sides?


Without hyperbole, it could literally unravel our society.

THIS^^^^


It would be like Blood Meridian, but on a galactic scale.


Really.

So we can fight asymmetrical war in Iraq or Afghanistan because we have incredible weapons of mass destruction on our side, but using them in Mexico would be just too difficult to manage. And we can lock up enemy combatants for extended periods without charge or trial as long as they're from a country a safe 10,000 miles away but it would be too messy to do it if they're from Dallas. And having a war that Americans would have to actually witness and participate in might cause them to want to negotiate before fighting; whereas so long as they only have to see it on TV where they can flip over to Honey Boo Boo when the carnage gets too intense means we can keep the conflict going indefinitely.

So then tell me this: Why is fear of drone strikes on US soil so freaking scary; but use of drones in Mexico too impossible to contemplate? Why is the idea that we can crush al-Qaeda easily possible but the idea we could crush the Zeta cartel impossible? Or is it implicit in your response: It would just be too messy.
 
2013-03-28 07:55:58 PM

Gyrfalcon: So then tell me this: Why is fear of drone strikes on US soil so freaking scary; but use of drones in Mexico too impossible to contemplate? Why is the idea that we can crush al-Qaeda easily possible but the idea we could crush the Zeta cartel impossible? Or is it implicit in your response: It would just be too messy.


Weren't you one of the guys who wanted the party that wasn't afraid to get their hands dirty removed from office, and replaced with people who had keeping their hands perfectly unstained by blood as their sole motive to do anything?

/and explicitly because you were so tired of the bad reputation the Rethuglicans were giving us
//this is what your victory looks like
 
2013-03-28 08:18:14 PM

Hickory-smoked: duenor: Good lord there are a lot of stupid, self-righteous, self-centered, self-loathing people in this thread.

Sheep
- believes Mexican cartels would find themselves helplessly disarmed if Americans lost their gun rights.
- believes these "vigilantes" (I'd just call them people defending their town because no one else will) should surrender their guns to their local honest police department.
- believes Americans don't need the 2A because the current level of corruption is ok and will stay the same into perpetuity.
- wants drugs to be legalized so they can smoke all the pot and coke they want; believes giving big pharma the green light to sell recreational drugs is a good idea
- oddly enough, believes big tobacco is evil
- believes that "4/5 smugglers are american citizens" BS. that's because those folks can't exactly flee into Mexico, can they? nor can the Border patrol go running into Mexico to nab the teams of smugglers on the other side of the fence. not to mention they are smuggling IN, not out...

I love a good strawman argument as much as the next guy, but you just started fabricating entire threads just now. Tone that imagination down before you hurt yourself.


How is this a strawman? That's a foolish comment.
This is a rather accurate description of the deplorable state of gullibility amongst many this community. It's not meant so much to insult as to hopefully spur a few people into more critical thinking rather than consistently approaching topics from their very ethno-centric point of view.
 
2013-03-28 08:34:06 PM

Nadie_AZ: duenor: Sheep
- believes Mexican cartels would find themselves helplessly disarmed if Americans lost their gun rights.

What do people believe?


Critical thinkers understand that large organized criminal institutions that have infiltrated local, state, and quite likely federal government are not bound by laws by definition. If every gun dealer in the US were to vanish overnight, the cartels would not be out of guns in 5, 10, 15 or even 20 years. They have simply too much money, power, and reach to be hampered much if at all by this. The only party to be disempowered by such legislation would be the people living near the border, who will essentially be helpless to protect themselves from criminal elements (armed or not).

I can concede that more can be done to prevent firearms from being illegally transported across the border. What I disagree with is the notion that by depriving the American citizenry of firearms, the Zetas, Salvatruchas, et al will be equally deprived of firearms.

Google images of mexican/salvi gangsters. Look closely at their guns. Then do some research and see how many of them were made in the US. You'll find these manufacturers:

FAL - made all over central and south america. tons of them around from Imbel, FN, the argentine army.... very very very few will be from the US because they are so expensive here (and dirt cheap there)
AK - there are almost no US manufacturers of AKs that the cartels would be buying from. as with the FAL argument, why pay $600 and up when you can get the same thing for $250? you don't see too many of these though
AR - yes, many of these are from the US. however, many are left over from the cold war and civil wars
Taurus - Brazil. revolvers and semi autos.

now some will look at pictures like this and say, well these are about 60% american guns. yes. but notice how they are covered in gold, platinum, and diamonds? you seriously think these people are going to have a hard time getting guns? they're buying them now from the US not because it's easy or cheap, but because we make  prestigious guns. don't kid yourself into thinking that our original colt 1911 .45 auto is somehow a superior killing tool than say your average Sistema Colt or Taurus .45, both widely available all over central and south america.

in summation, stripping the american citizen of the right to buy guns, ammo, magazines, etc is not going to have much of an appreciable effect on these criminal elements. it's like being told that from now on, buying a mercedes is going to cost double. your average noveau riche is going to saw, "aww..." .... and then just buy something else.
 
2013-03-28 08:35:42 PM

SuperNinjaToad: that's nothing.... back in the day of the Aztecs and all the other Indian tribes, when one group captures another or when they raid rival villages etc they would force the husband/father to watch as the raiding party violently rape his wife and daughter...then proceed to force the wife and kids to watch as they torture him in ways we can't even imagine. As if that is not bad enough they would finally cut the dude open while he is still alive and have his family eat his organs etc!!!


out of curiosity, where did you get this from? not disputing, just wonder how we might know this.
 
2013-03-28 08:37:58 PM
If these vigilantes bring some sense of people to the people in the town, I am all for it.
 
2013-03-28 09:01:58 PM
Just came here to say that the

3RD BEST:  MAD MAX
2ND BEST:  THE ROAD WARRIOR
1ST DAMNED PLACE:  FURY ROAD

(just kidding)

1ST PLACE IS THUNDERDOME, so suck my balls, haters!!!
 
2013-03-28 09:09:05 PM
Mikey1969
I don't know, but I don't think it's civilians with no training that can't distinguish between turistas and Cartel members...

1) Did you read TFA? They didn't stop at a checkpoint. US troops shot at civilians in Iraq for the same reason all the time. Is one OK and the other not?

2) What about civilians with good training? Would that be acceptable?
 
2013-03-28 09:52:39 PM
Duenor:  Critical thinkers understand that large organized criminal institutions that have infiltrated local, state, and quite likely federal government are not bound by laws by definition. If every gun dealer in the US were to vanish overnight, the cartels would not be out of guns in 5, 10, 15 or even 20 years. They have simply too much money, power, and reach to be hampered much if at all by this. The only party to be disempowered by such legislation would be the people living near the border, who will essentially be helpless to protect themselves from criminal elements (armed or not).

With mass murders happening at an alarming rate these days, you can expect the outrage to be high but unfortunately on the wrong idea.  One thing the American public needs to understand is that criminals will always have guns, and gun control just strips the public of their right to be arms.  Before the Aunsweitch (sp?) happened in Austria at the beginning of WWII, Hitler disarmed the public.  Who is to say that we are slowly getting sent that direction also.

Our right to bear arms is a Second Amendment right.  As much as people disagree with Sen. Cruz he made an excellent point.  If we make minor changes to the Second Amendment like who can and cannot purchase weapons, the kind of weapons, etc.  When does that spill over to the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments?  Do we want the precedence of making minute changes to amendments without following the law which is defined as getting a majority of the states to ratify it?

If you go back to our history, it was the armed citizenry that fought and won against Britain (known as the best fighting force at the time) for our own indpendence.

If these "patriots" are fighting for their own freedom from tyranny in a world that is upside down in corruption and death so be it.  Every one deserves that right to have a safe and peaceful life.

/off my soap box now.
 
2013-03-28 10:08:17 PM
I moved from Guerrero in November, I'm not getting a kick out of these replies.
You really can't understand the reality of the situation there unless you experience it.
I've had the commandants of the naval sector buy me beers one night and a jefe of the local cartel buy for me the next night.
I've also seen the new mayor elect stand next to a leader of the 'new' cartel while they explained how they were pro-business and wanted everyone to make money.
And, I've also seen good friends gunned down, a block from my house, due to mistaken identity.
I love Mexico, but they do have problems, none of which have easy solutions.
 
2013-03-28 10:12:21 PM
Many good people live there, and they are sick of their government not helping them, but contribute even more to the problem. A few years ago a couple of second cousins of mine were kidnapped in Monterrey. My Uncle got his daughter back, but has yet to see his son. We all presume he is dead now. He sent his family over illegally  to get them away from that crap. Not because he couldn't afford to legally, but because it takes so much time to do so. Tell me, if gangsters were terrorizing your loved ones, wouldn't you go vigilante too?
 
2013-03-28 10:14:02 PM

MorteDiem: I moved from Guerrero in November, I'm not getting a kick out of these replies.
You really can't understand the reality of the situation there unless you experience it.
I've had the commandants of the naval sector buy me beers one night and a jefe of the local cartel buy for me the next night.
I've also seen the new mayor elect stand next to a leader of the 'new' cartel while they explained how they were pro-business and wanted everyone to make money.
And, I've also seen good friends gunned down, a block from my house, due to mistaken identity.
I love Mexico, but they do have problems, none of which have easy solutions.


I hear ya.
 
2013-03-28 10:19:56 PM

Macular Degenerate: There are parts of the US that need exactly this kind of tough love. You ever walked the streets of Oakland? or East LA? or Compton? or the South Bronx? or Detroit? or Liberty City in Miami? or E. St. Louis? or the Southeast or Northeast sides of Washington DC?


Yes to Oakland, East L.A., South Bronx, and Washington D.C.

/Wouldn't get out of the car in East Saint Louis
//Or in Cabrini Green in Chicago.
 
2013-03-28 10:48:38 PM
Mexico has always been Mad Max.

That's what makes it fun.
 
2013-03-28 10:52:15 PM
Can we just nuke that farking country and be done with it?
 
2013-03-28 11:24:55 PM

NephilimNexus: Caffandtranqs: Because the cops over there cannot be trusted.  They are criminals themselves who have been caught on video allowing gangsters to do their work.  Because the prosecutors never prosecute the right people.  Because the entire system is corrupt from top to bottom.

And this is different from the USA how, exactly?  Other than the lack of video tape, because our cops are so corrupt that they've actually made it illegal to expose their corruption on film?


You either have a very exaggerated view of corruption in the US or you aren't really aware of situation in Mexico.
 
2013-03-29 12:54:19 AM

Tatterdemalian: Gyrfalcon: So then tell me this: Why is fear of drone strikes on US soil so freaking scary; but use of drones in Mexico too impossible to contemplate? Why is the idea that we can crush al-Qaeda easily possible but the idea we could crush the Zeta cartel impossible? Or is it implicit in your response: It would just be too messy.

Weren't you one of the guys who wanted the party that wasn't afraid to get their hands dirty removed from office, and replaced with people who had keeping their hands perfectly unstained by blood as their sole motive to do anything?

/and explicitly because you were so tired of the bad reputation the Rethuglicans were giving us
//this is what your victory looks like


No, that wasn't me. Sorry. I am tired of the bad rep we we're getting; but not for the reasons you seem to be imputing to me; and anyway, this question is merely asking why military action is so acceptable overseas but so unacceptable in our own backyard. Assuming it's acceptable in Iraq or Best Korea, it should be equally acceptable in Mexico, and if it's not acceptable in Mexico, it should be unacceptable anywhere.

As far as "getting their hands dirty"--what the hell does that even mean? Hard workers get their hands dirty honestly; Mafia hit men get their hands dirty dishonestly. Which ones do your heroes emulate? "Getting their hands dirty" by interfering in another country's business probably isn't a good thing and I'm hardly recommending it for Mexico--but my question is directed to you and your gang who thought going into Iraq was such a great idea. So why isn't going into Mexico an equally good idea?

And I'm still not getting any answers from you all.
 
2013-03-29 01:04:23 AM

Gyrfalcon: Tatterdemalian: Gyrfalcon: So then tell me this: Why is fear of drone strikes on US soil so freaking scary; but use of drones in Mexico too impossible to contemplate? Why is the idea that we can crush al-Qaeda easily possible but the idea we could crush the Zeta cartel impossible? Or is it implicit in your response: It would just be too messy.

Weren't you one of the guys who wanted the party that wasn't afraid to get their hands dirty removed from office, and replaced with people who had keeping their hands perfectly unstained by blood as their sole motive to do anything?

/and explicitly because you were so tired of the bad reputation the Rethuglicans were giving us
//this is what your victory looks like

No, that wasn't me. Sorry. I am tired of the bad rep we we're getting; but not for the reasons you seem to be imputing to me; and anyway, this question is merely asking why military action is so acceptable overseas but so unacceptable in our own backyard. Assuming it's acceptable in Iraq or Best Korea, it should be equally acceptable in Mexico, and if it's not acceptable in Mexico, it should be unacceptable anywhere.

As far as "getting their hands dirty"--what the hell does that even mean? Hard workers get their hands dirty honestly; Mafia hit men get their hands dirty dishonestly. Which ones do your heroes emulate? "Getting their hands dirty" by interfering in another country's business probably isn't a good thing and I'm hardly recommending it for Mexico--but my question is directed to you and your gang who thought going into Iraq was such a great idea. So why isn't going into Mexico an equally good idea?

And I'm still not getting any answers from you all.


Are you really rallying for invading Mexico? Please tell me I misunderstood and am wrong.
 
2013-03-29 02:40:26 AM

ShawnDoc: I don't know, sound like Tea Party heaven. Who needs police and prosecutors, we'll just form our own vigilante group.


Well, to be fair, when your police and prosecutors are so corrupt they are with the criminals... can't really blame the masses for rising up just to get along in life again.
 
2013-03-29 05:23:02 AM

Girion47: MonoChango: BojanglesPaladin: I am not an expert on the Mexican economy,

Nor am I but my wife has family in Nogales.  Before about 2007 they where doing ok.   Most people had jobs at the factories or stores that catered to American tourists.  Then three things happened at the same time;
1:  Americans needed a passport to cross.  Nobody is going to spend $100 and wait weeks to get a stupid passport just to buy crappy Chinese trinkets and cheap booze.  Thus Tourism Collapsed (I counted on one street, 17 out of 20 of the old curio shops where replaced or just shut down and abandoned.)
2:  The American Economy went into a tail spin so the factories started to "contract" their employees.  That is, they basically had to reapply for their job ever paycheck. They also halved their time.  Note, one cousin made about $50 a week before and it dropped to about $30.  Don't talk to me about minimum wage until you feed your wife and kid on $30 a week.
3:  American started making all our corn into Ethanol.  This trickled down to raise corn tortilla prices about double. Locals eats corn tortillas in every meal.

Show me an american without a passport and I'll show you someone who is closed-minded.


Right here. Too poor to travel internationally, but I did go to Ontario once. Also other countries that aren't western European scare me.
 
2013-03-29 12:19:27 PM

echomike23: MaudlinMutantMollusk: echomike23: [global.fncstatic.com image 660x371]
beretta ar 70/90 and a ruger 10/22...interesting.

You sure? That stock seems long for a 10/22

could be a ruger 44,  i think its because the rifle has an upper cover.  ruger 10/22's in the us do not normally come with a cover that goes above the barrel.  they do make them though, also the magazine is a bit thin to be 223, 556, maybe a 44.  maybe a 22.


Marlin model 70 .22LR.  Very similar to the 10/22.  The Ruger .44 carbine feeds from an internal 4 round tubular magazine.
 
2013-03-29 02:04:42 PM
Something has to change, the corrupt keep getting more corrupt and the regular people are getting tired of it.
Sooner or later this will happen elsewhere, I don't blame these people nor do I call them rebels.

A family going to the beach refused to stop for a pack of machine gun waving fella's blocking a highway? I somehow doubt this story very much. Is there 1 person here who would risk a family in this way? NOPE

I wonder who will come crush these people the ARMY or the Cartel? Or both?
 
2013-03-29 02:24:11 PM

beerrun: Silent But Deadly:
ooh ooh, I have one:
El Nino = The Nino

Welcome to the party, pal.



*shakes tiny fist*
 
2013-03-29 03:56:41 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: Well.
I suppose mob justice is a KIND of justice.


When the police are corrupt and working with organized crimes, going vigilante is an acceptable option.  Those people put up with corruption and violence for far too long.  They showed remarkable restraint up to now.  I can't blame them for finally saying, "enough is enough"* and taking back their community.

* ya es suficiente ?
/ my high school spanish is weak
 
2013-03-29 04:01:01 PM

Mikey1969: Spanky3woods: Less Mexico. More Tina

My Gawd that woman was hot back in the day.

Dem legs!

Considering that she's 73? I'll STILL give her credit for being hot, although she is FINALLY starting to show her age. Tina Turner is badass, it's like she's a force of nature...


Here she is just a few years ago (2009), still looking great and working harder and better than those autotuned talentless hacks could ever hope to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmH4YlNdWAg

/I want the dancer with the short black hair on the right.  Fist of god, best 23 seconds, etc.
 
2013-03-29 06:59:07 PM

duenor: Hickory-smoked: duenor: Good lord there are a lot of stupid, self-righteous, self-centered, self-loathing people in this thread.

Sheep
- believes Mexican cartels would find themselves helplessly disarmed if Americans lost their gun rights.
- believes these "vigilantes" (I'd just call them people defending their town because no one else will) should surrender their guns to their local honest police department.
- believes Americans don't need the 2A because the current level of corruption is ok and will stay the same into perpetuity.
- wants drugs to be legalized so they can smoke all the pot and coke they want; believes giving big pharma the green light to sell recreational drugs is a good idea
- oddly enough, believes big tobacco is evil
- believes that "4/5 smugglers are american citizens" BS. that's because those folks can't exactly flee into Mexico, can they? nor can the Border patrol go running into Mexico to nab the teams of smugglers on the other side of the fence. not to mention they are smuggling IN, not out...

I love a good strawman argument as much as the next guy, but you just started fabricating entire threads just now. Tone that imagination down before you hurt yourself.

How is this a strawman? That's a foolish comment.
This is a rather accurate description of the deplorable state of gullibility amongst many this community. It's not meant so much to insult as to hopefully spur a few people into more critical thinking rather than consistently approaching topics from their very ethno-centric point of view.


Because not a single item from your list was said by anyone in this thread.
 
2013-03-29 08:39:46 PM

violentsalvation: At what point will we formally declare Mexico a failed state? Corruption is everywhere, public officials who cannot be corrupted are killed. There is no free press because journalists who actually report their civil war are killed. Over six years, estimates up to 100,000 dead, 1.6 million displaced refugees. All for an unwinnable drug war.

Can anyone tell me if whatever substance you or your friends favor has seen a jump in price or reduced availability over the last six years? People I know who use have told me no, but that might be because my proximity to the border.


I am live close to the mexican border in Texas....   You used to only be able to get shiatty mexican brick weed around here about 10 years ago, then about 5 years ago it became really hard to get and the good stuff came onto the market for some reason, probably grown in the US, unless the mexicans suddenly got much much much much much better at growing weed.  You can find some mexican brick weed again now, but it is a bit rarer that it used to be, and the good stuff is easy to find.
 
2013-03-29 08:44:02 PM
oh yeah, and there was never ever any change in price over the last 10+ years...  the price for both kinds always remained stable, no, rock solid, despite variations in availability...
 
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